HomeMy WebLinkAboutResponse to CrossRoad 6-5-2013 LettersMr. Gregory J. Ilko, P.E.
December 12, 2013
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December 12, 2013
Mr. Gregory J. Ilko, P.E.
CrossRoad Engineers, P.C.
3417 South Sherman Drive
Beech Grove, IN 46107
Re: Health and Wellness Suites of Carmel – TAC Review
Project No. 201300569
Dear Mr. Ilko:
American Structurepoint, Inc., has revised the design, construction plans and drainage report for the
Health and Wellness Suites of Carmel project per the review comments listed in the June 5, 2013 letter
(Technical Advisory Committee Engineering Review for Development Drainage Designs). Each
comment listed from the review letter contains a response addressing each issue. Below are the
original comments with the response in italics.
1. Per Section 102.02 v.b, please provide normal water elevation for the pond adjacent to
the southeast corner of the project site.
Normal water elevation for the adjacent pond has been added to the Existing
Topography sheet on C.100, Demolition Plan on C.102 as well as the Grading Plan on
C.400
2. Per Section 102.02 v.g, please provide the land uses of the adjacent properties.
Owners and land uses are shown on the Existing Topography sheet on C.100-C.101,
Demolition Plan on C.102 and the Site Plan on C.200.
3. Per Section 102.02 vii, please revise the plan/profile sheets to include the elevations,
location of all proposed storm sewers, including subsurface drains, top of casting
elevations, structure numbers, pipe invert elevations, casting type, structure type, and
all existing and proposed utility crossings also shall be indicated. Plan and profile
sheets are subject to further review and comment after aforementioned information is
provided.
Revised Storm Sewer Plan and Profile sheets can be found on pages C.404-C.410.
Structure and casting types are identified on the Storm Sewer Structure Data Table,
Sheet C.411.
Mr. Gregory J. Ilko, P.E.
December 12, 2013
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4. Per Section 102.02 xi, a grading plan shall include the following:
g. Please provide the 100 year overflow paths ponding areas shown as hatched
areas with all associated easements.
100 year overflow paths have been added and can be found on the
Emergency Overflow Routing Plan on sheet C.412-C413.
h. Indication as to the system being public or private.
The storm system as well as the proposed roadway is private. General note #11
on Sheet C.400 has been added to state the system is to remain private.
j. Location, size and dimensions of detentions facilities including pond
elevations, pond bottom elevations, top of bank elevations, spillway
location and elevations, and transverse slopes of dry detention areas.
Pond size, dimensions and elevations can be found on the Grading Plan
on sheet C.400. Note that the pond cross-section is located on C.401.
Emergency spillway detail shown on Sheet C.602.
k. Emergency flood routing path(s) and their invert elevations from
detention facilities to the receiving system.
100 year overflow paths have been added and can be found on the
Emergency Overflow Routing Plan on sheet C.412-C-413. Sheet C.413
shows the elevations from the detention facility to the receiving system
(Fertig Regulated Drain).
l. One or more typical cross sections of all existing/proposed channels
(swale at the outlet of the detention pond) and other open drainage
facilities (detention pond) carried to a point above the 100-year high water
and showing the existing land and proposed changes together with the
high water elevation expected from the 100- year storm. Please provide
typical cross sections of the detention facility. Grading sheets are
subject to further review and comment after aforementioned
information is provided.
Pond size, dimensions and elevations can be found on the Grading Plan
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December 12, 2013
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on sheet C.400. Note that the pond cross-section is located on C.401.
Typical swale detail is added to Sheet C.602.
5. Per Section 102.02 xiv, please revise the Structure Data Table in the plan set to include,
at minimum, the following: upstream structure number, downstream structure number,
upstream pipe elevation, downstream pipe elevation, pipe length, pipe material, type of
structure, and detail reference to the type of structure and any notes related to the
structure. Please review and revise accordingly.
Revised Storm Sewer Structure Data Table and Pipe Data Tables can be found on sheet
C.411.
6. Per Section 102.03 i.a.i, the pre-development watershed map shall include the drainage
area designation corresponding to the designation in the drainage calculations, the area
in acres for each drainage area and any off-site drainage areas that need to be
accommodated by the system, including the fully developed right-of-way per the City
of Carmel Thoroughfare Plan. It appears the fully developed Right-of-Way per the
City of Carmel Thoroughfare Plan was not included in the existing drainage basin.
Please review and revise accordingly.
Fully developed Right-of-Way has been included. See revised Drainage Report.
7. Per Section 102.03 i.b.ii, the proposed watershed map shall show that all off-site
acreage draining through the site is accommodated, including the fully developed
right-of-way per the City of Carmel Thoroughfare Plan. It does not appear the fully
developed Right-of-Way was included in the proposed watershed map. Please review
and revise accordingly.
Fully developed Right-of-Way has been included. See revised Drainage Report.
8. Per Section 102.03 i.b.iv, please include the runoff curve numbers and time of
concentration on the existing drainage basin map.
Runoff Curve Number and Time of Concentration have been included. See revised
Drainage Report, sheet EX (Existing Drainage Conditions Map)
Mr. Gregory J. Ilko, P.E.
December 12, 2013
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9. Per Section 104.02, the buildings lowest entry elevation that is adjacent to and facing
the road shall be a minimum of 15 inches above the road. Also, finished floor
elevations or the lowest building entry elevations shall be no less than 6 inches above
the finished grade around the building. Also, minimum flood protection grade of all
structures fronting a pond shall be no less than 2 feet above any adjacent 100-year
local or regional flood elevations, whichever is greater. Please provide elevations for
the finished floor and the minimum lowest adjacent grade, as well as the 100-year
elevation in all storage basins including underground storage facilities in the pervious
pavement.
Lowest building entry elevation is 854.50. The elevation of Pennsylvania Street is
approximately 856.60 to 860.80. Due to site constraints, we request a variance for the
requirement that the FFE is 15” above the road elevations. The finished grade around
the building is 854.00, which is 6 inches below the finished floor elevation. The
minimum lowest elevation of the building is greater than 2 feet above the 100-year
elevation of the pond. The minimum flood protection grade and minimum lowest
adjacent grades are shown on Sheet C.400.
10. Per Section 302.04, the initially determined hydrologic group for disturbed areas
should be changed to the next less infiltrating capacity category (i.e., A to B, B to C,
and C to D). It does not appear that the on-site soils have been adjusted accordingly.
Please review and revise accordingly.
The revised drainage design has used the next less infiltrating capacity categories for
the soil types. This can be found in the revised Drainage Report.
11. Per Section 302.06.1, the detention facility shall be designed in such a manner that a
minimum of 90% of the maximum volume of water stored and subsequently released at the
design release rate shall not result in storage duration in excess of 48 hours from the start of
the storm. Please review and revise accordingly.
Using the 6 inch orifice size, over 90% original detention capacity is released within the 48
hours from start of the storm. Refer to the revised Drainage Report.
12. Per Section 302.06.4, all stormwater detention facilities shall be separated from any road
right of way by no less than fifty (50) feet. Please review and revise accordingly.
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December 12, 2013
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The Stormwater detention facility is less than the 50 feet, but the proposed road is private.
There will not be any right-of-way dedicated for this private drive.
13. The proposed wet detention basin shall be designed in accordance with allowable release
rates per Section 302.03 of the Manual and the restricted release rates of the Hamilton
County surveyor. Detention calculations are required to be provided that indicates the orifice
size required to limit the release to acceptable rates, the resulting critical pond and
spillway elevations, and that sufficient volume provided to accommodate the release rates
being limited to the acceptable rates ( they have been provided within the submitted drainage
report). The critical pond elevations resulting from this method of modeling shall be used in
the MFPG/MLAG determinations. Since the resulting orifice size is less than the minimum
6-inch orifice requirement of Section 302.06.07, the lower orifice shall be upsized to a 6-
inch diameter orifice. The upper orifice should then be sized appropriately to restrict the
100-year storm to the required restricted release rate. Stormwater modeling information
shall be provided for both scenarios in the drainage report. Please note that the invert
elevations of the orifices shall be designed so that the outlet structure can be revised to meet
the restricted release rates, if required in the future. Please review and revise accordingly
To meet the allowable stormwater release rates, a 4.5” upper orifice and a 4” lower orifice
must be used. Given the information listed in the comment above, a 6” lower orifice was
used. All associated data is provided in the revised Drainage Report.
14. Per Section 302.06.12, detention basins shall be sized to detain the runoff from the fully
developed right-of-way per the City of Carmel 20-year Thoroughfare Plan across all
frontages, regardless of existing watershed boundaries or drainage breaks/divides. The
acreage of the full right-of-way width may be included in the overall acreage of the
development in determining the allowable release rates. Please review and revise
accordingly.
Fully developed Right-of-Way has been included. See revised Drainage Report.
15. Per Section 303.07, the ponding and overflow path throughout the development resulting in
the 100-year storm event, in the instance the drainage system is completely plugged should be
clearly shown in a hatched area. Also, all buildings shall have a minimum flood protection
grade no less than 2 feet above any adjacent 100-year local or regional flood elevation.
100 year overflow paths have been added and can be found on the Emergency
Overflow Routing Plan on sheets C.412-C.413.
Mr. Gregory J. Ilko, P.E.
December 12, 2013
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16. Per Section 305.05, the inlet grate design shall be adequate to pass the design 10-year flow with
50% of the sag inlet clogged. It does not appear this was taken into account, please review and
revise accordingly.
Revised drainage design accounted for the 50% of the sag inlet clogged. See the revised Casting
Capacity sheet in the Drainage Report.
17. Per Section 306.02.D, a minimum of 15 feet beyond the actual footprint (top of the bank or the
100-year pond elevation if no top of bank is present) of stormwater detention facilities shall be
designated as drainage easement. A minimum 20-foot width easement shall also be required as
access easement from a public right-of-way to the facility.
Drainage easement has been included and can be seen on the Site Plan, C.200 and in the revised
Drainage Report on the Proposed Storm Sewer Map. The easement is a minimum of 15 feet past
the top of bank and abuts the ingress/egress easement along the drive extension for access.
18. Based on concerns raised by the HCSO and the Carmel Engineering Department, please revise
the drainage report to include calculations for a downstream analysis of the proposed receiving
system for the discharge from the site. The analysis should verify the required and provided
capacity of the swale at the outfall of the detention outlet and of the receiving regulated drain
storm sewer system. Also, peak flood elevations should be analyzed within the receiving swales
in comparison to the eastern adjacent development (invert elevation of the detention outlet
appears to be higher than spot grades at the property line and within the adjacent parking lot).
And lastly, the condition and flow characteristics of the receiving swale should be analyzed.
Outlet pipe has been added to release within the near vicinity of the 30 inch RCP pipe of the W.R.
Fertig legal drain (shown on Grading Plan C.401 and Storm Sewer Plan and Profile C.409).
After discussing with the HCSO, since we are discharging immediately adjacent to the 30” RCP
pipe of the regulated drain, no further downstream analysis is required. Also, we are
substantially reducing the discharge when compared to the existing conditions.
Mr. Gregory J. Ilko, P.E.
December 12, 2013
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19. In review of the existing drainage conditions on site, it appears that the project area currently
drains south/southeast to the adjacent off-site detention pond. Depending on the results of the
downstream analysis requested in Comment #18, this off-site detention pond may be a more
adequate receiving system for the detained site discharge. It will need to be verified that the
approved drainage calculations for the off-site pond accounted for this watershed area, and that
the detention facility is sufficient to handle the project’s detained flow prior to approval. Also,
additional coordination should be completed with the HCSO and the Carmel Engineering
Department for this scenario prior to approval.
Upon review of the drainage report for the existing pond to the south, and the existing site
topography, it was determined that the pond was not designed to receive flow from our
project site, not does it receive flow in the existing conditions. Currently, runoff from the
existing site bypasses the existing pond and heads east towards the W.R. Fertig Regulated
drain. The proposed design maintains this drainage pattern. Outlet pipe has been added to
release within the near vicinity of the 30 inch RCP pipe of the W.R. Fertig legal drain
(shown on Grading Plan C.401 and Storm Sewer Plan and Profile C.409). Per the Hamilton
County Surveyor’s Office, this legal drain has a restricted release rate designated. This
release rate was used in the revised drainage calculation and can be found in the revised
Drainage Report.
If you have any questions or need clarification on any of these comments, please feel free to contact
me at our office (317) 547-5580.
Very truly yours,
American Structurepoint, Inc.
Ross L. Nixon, PE, LEED AP
Project Manager
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