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Carmel/Clay Technical Advisory Committee Minutes
May 16, 2001
9:00 a.m.
Members present:
Laurence Lillig - Carmel DOCS John South - Ham. Co. Soil & Water
Scott Brewer - Carmel Urban Forester Chuck Shupperd - Indiana Gas
Steve Cash - Ham. Co. Surveyor John Lester - Carmel Parks
Dick Hill - Carmel Eng. Gary Hoyt - Carmel Fire Dept.
Steve Broermann - Ham. Co. Highway Bill Akers - Carmel Communications
Jeff Kendall - Carmel Permit Services Rick McClain - Cinergy
Jon Dobosiewicz - Carmel DOCS Sharon Prater -Panhandle E. Pipeline
Jim Foster - Carmel Fire Dept. Chris Burt - Ham Co. Highway Dept.
Shell Station - 3202 East 96th Street DSV; ADLS)
The site is located on the northeast corner of 96th Street and Keystone Ave. The site is zoned
B-3/Business.
Filed by Insight Engineering, Inc. for Equiva Services, LLC.
David George, Insight Engineering, presented the case. The Shell Station is located at 96th Street
and Keystone. The proposed signage represents a new image for Shell Oil Company. The plans
represent a number of signs and where they will be located on the site. Mr. George received some
comments from TAC members. The proposed signs will not affect existing utilities. The petitioner
is replacing signs with a new color scheme and new logo for Shell.
Jeff Kendall had no comments.
Rich McClain had no comments. This is under IPL jurisdiction.
Dick Hill had no comments.
Laurence Lillig asked the size of the right of way. David George responded it is a 45-foot half right
of way.
Chuck Shupperd had no comments.
Scott Brewer understands this is a sign package. There is a landscape plan from a previous
approval. Mr. Brewer will check to make certain the original plan is still in place. The wrong
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transmittal sheet was sent with this signage information. Signage for another station will also be
pursued. Scott Brewer will do a site check of the property.
Steve Cash stated this project does not affect a regulated drain. It is under City jurisdiction.
Gary Hoyt had no comments.
Laurence Lillig stated there are existing signage violations on the site. They include changeable
boards on the westside of the building, signs by the road, and signs attached to various structures on
the site. If approval is granted, new sign permits would not be issued if violations still exist. Jon
Dobosiewicz had no comments.
Chaucie’s Place (ADLS)
The site is located at 1118 West Main Street. The site is zoned OM-MU/Old Meridian-Mixed
Use District).
Filed by the Hamilton County Vesta Foundation for Children, Inc.
Sonia Leerkamp, Hamilton County Prosecutor, presented the ADLS. This facility is a child
advocacy center; it is not a shelter/care facility. It is a center for the investigation of allegations of
child abuse or neglect. According to statute, whenever there is a report of child abuse or neglect,
law enforcement or child protection services of the welfare department investigate. Those two
agencies have historically worked together to investigate. Ten or fifteen years ago, a concept was
pioneered putting together a team of investigators. That team could include law enforcement
investigators, welfare workers, the prosecutor’s office, and sometimes councilors and educators.
The goal is to get a good forensic interview of that child to establish whether or not there is a basis
to go forward with the allegation. A child advocacy center brings team members together. There
are less then twelve centers in Indiana. Carmel’s center facilitates reporting of these kinds of
offenses and their investigation dramatically. Chaucie’s Place has a child-friendly atmosphere that
is very important for the child. They are much less traumatized. One video-tapped interview
avoids repeat and/or suggestive questioning of the child. The child is told the interview is being
video tapped. The interviewer wears an ear piece to get questions by other professionals who can
give direction to the interviewer. No one is housed at the facility. The interviews take 20 to 30
minutes of the child’s time. The team member portion usually takes an hour. Rita Johnson is the
executive director. She was introduced. Ms. Leerkamp apologized for not following the proper
approval procedure. Chaucie’s Place opened April 30, 2001. She learned of the necessity of
ADLS approval a couple of weeks before that.
Jon Dobosiewicz will meet with Sonia Leerkamp later with his comments to discuss issues.
Rick McClain had no comments.
Dick Hill stated this project is outside of City jurisdiction.
Chuck Shupperd had no comments
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Jeff Kendall said a building permit was issued in light of public service and previously scheduled
community events. He asked the petitioner to schedule a reinspection for outstanding issues.
Scott Brewer stated the property is in the Old Meridian District overlay. There are general
requirements for the area. He will be review the highlights of Ms. Leerkamp’s meeting with Jon
Dobosiewicz and Mike Hollibaugh.
Steve Cash understands this is just a renovation of the existing house. There will be no new
buildings. Two handicap parking spaces were created in front of the house. All other parking area
is on existing black top. Mr. Cash had no other comments.
John South said the drainage and erosion control has been accomplished with the planting of grass.
James Foster asked about hours of operation. Chaucie’s Place will be open generally from 8:00
a.m. to 4:30 p.m. plus some emergency time. They are on call 24-hours a day.
Gary Hoyt meet with Sonia Leerkamp and Rita Johnson on site. He requested a call for a
reinspection.
Jon Dobosiewicz will schedule a meeting with Ms. Leerkamp before the Plan Commission hearing.
The Department wants to assure the low impact use of the project does not change in the future in a
manner that will adversely affect the Old Meridian corridor concept. Mr. Dobosiewicz will also
write a comment letter and scheduled a meeting with Mike Dobosiewicz.
Sonia Leerkamp stated neighbors are pleased with the low impact use and the cause being served.
Chaucie's Place is under the ownership of St. Vincent's Hospital. There is a $1.00 a year lease.
Village of West Clay - Section V02 (Secondary Plat)
The site is located southeast of West 131st Street and Towne Road. The site is zoned
PUD/Planned Unit Development.
Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Brenwick TND Communities, LLC.
Keith Lash and Jose Kreutz presented this secondary plat and the following two cases. All are part
of the Village of WestClay. Section V01 contains eight lots on 5.436 acres in the middle of the
development. The pond exists; much of the road infrastructure is in place. The exhibit detailed
existing infrastructure. The development of this area is minor; there is very little storm sewer
system. There is one street extension and one sanitary sewer extension. There is also water.
Detention has been accounted for in a previous section. Mr. Lash received a few comment letters.
Rick McClain stated the project is running well. He had no other comment.
Dick Hill, Chuck Shupperd, and Jeff Kendall had no comments.
Scott Brewer talked with Parks Pifer and will meet with him tomorrow. Jose Kreutz gave Mr.
Brewer a set of landscape plans. The other plantings are street trees.
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Steve Cash needs the procedure items.
John South believes his letter is incorrect stating the plan does not satisfy 3271AC 15-5 (Rule 5).
Mr. South will change this error. A notice of intent is needed for the NOI situation. There will be
one erosion control plan. A 2001 construction season plan will be written in the next month.
Gary Hoyt sent a letter. He had no comment.
Jon Dobosiewicz will write a comment letter. They need to lengthen diameters and change some
markers. Another issue is the commitment on road improvements. Laurence Lillig and Jon
Dobosiewicz will write a letter regarding this work along with the review of the primary plat. Mr.
Dobosiewicz wants to be more timely with plat signatures.
Chris Burt asked when construction would begin. Jose Kreutz presented an overview of the
project. He distributed maps of WestClay. The custom market has declined. But, there is
considerable activity with the townhomes and smaller 50-foot lots. He anticipates continuing in
this manner throughout the year. Emphasis is on their Village Product. A total of 68 lots have
been developed. Eight lots are left to be sold. Work will start on sections 5006 and V02 some time
in June. They will be simple to construct from an infrastructure standpoint. There are buyers for
the two lots in the second section to be heard this morning. The third section, 7501-A, involves the
addition of an alley. The lots are their middle-ground product. The buying market wants an alley
with their lots. The typical buyers are empty nesters and young professional couples. There are 94
lots available in WestClay. The project has proved to be a success, but some areas are not selling.
Brenwick recognizes that they keep returning with plats to be reviewed with no immediate action
on their part. There is a 60 to 90 delay. Market consumer confidence is low; Brenwick is trying to
react. Mr. Kreutz wanted to explain the thinking behind their actions. Next, AG01, AG02, and the
6502 will be developed. A home show is being contemplated for the third quarter of 2002. Then,
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something will be developed along Towne Road and areas north of 131 Street.
Village of West Clay - Section DP01-A (Secondary Plat)
The site is located southeast of West 131st Street and Towne Road. The site is zoned
PUD/Planned Unit Development.
Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Brenwick TND Communities, LLC.
Keith Lash apologized that items sent to TAC showed lot 656 under exhibit. But, it is the eastern
lot. Brenwick has decided the two lots will be single family lots. There are buyers for both lots.
All infrastructure is in place. Now, Section DP01 contains two lots (637 and 656).
Rick McClain stated the electrical is in place.
Dick Hill, Chuck Shupperd, Jeff Kendall, Scott Brewer, and Steve Cash had no comments.
John South said the same comment applies for Rule 5 and NOI. The petitioner should have the
traditional lot information for erosion control.
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Gary Hoyt had no comments.
Laurence Lillig asked that the PUD ordinance number be added on the plats. It may be placed in
the same block. A key map is required. Copies are needed of the variances granted by the County
Commissioners. Mr. Lillig received the reduction of overall development plan. Markers need to be
36 inches. The overall boundary of DP01A and DP01B will be explained later. The lines need to
be concrete. A comment letter on this section will be issued. Mr. Kreutz stated DP stands for
“duplex”. VO is for “varied”. Keith Lash will submit a plan showing the two lots. Docket
numbers will be assigned by the end of the week. Mr. Lillig asked for the subdivider agreement.
Village of West Clay - Section 7501-A (Replat)
The site is located southeast of West 131st Street and Towne Road. The site is zoned
PUD/Planned Unit Development.
Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Brenwick TND Communities, LLC.
Keith Lash stated the replat entails all of the originally recorded plat 7501A which includes the five
lots on the north side of Stanhope Street. There is no modification to those lots. It will be cleaner
to add them to the replat. They have not been purchased. The reason for the replat is the addition
of an alley. Also, one lot has been added to the south; they previously took lots out of the section.
There will be a total of 15 lots. The old section was 5.03 acres in size. The new section will be
5.31 acres. The increase in size allows the common area to be the same size. The installation of
the alley and additional lot requires one extra subsurface drain, one sanitary lateral, miscellaneous
utility relocates, extension of storm sewer, and curb cuts. Mr. Lash hopes the changes have been
clearly depicted on the plans.
Chris Burt, Rick McClain, and Dick Hill had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd stated there would be a charge to relocate the gas main. The alley will be 12 feet
wide and constructed of asphalt.
Jeff Kendall understands lots 628 and 636 will have an alley. The added lot is west of 628.
Common area was changed into a lot. Then, an additional lot was added. The land came from
across the street. The lots are 50 feet wide and 75 feet in length. Jose Kreutz stated the lots across
the street are served by an alley. There is a 30-foot drainage easement in the rear.
Steve Cash stated the extension of the storm sewer will be handled like other sections..
John South no comments.
Gary Hoyt inquired about the construction of apartments. Mr. Kreutz responded that interest has
been expressed by a national apartment builder. A decision will be made within the next 45 days.
Jon Dobosiewicz stated monuments and markers are needed. He will write a comment letter by the
end of the week.
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Laurence Lillig asked the petitioner to add the original docket number to the plat.
Mr. Dobosiewicz read a memo from Jay Alley stating no building permits should be issued without
the district's connection permit.
Carmel City Center - Carmel Trace Townhouse Development (Primary Plat)
The site is located on the northwest corner of City Center Drive and 3rd Avenue Southwest.
The site is zoned C-1/City Center District.
Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for R H of Indiana, LP.
Keith Lash presented the case and introduced Kenny Windler, Ryland Homes. This project is part
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of the Carmel City Center located at the northwest corner of Third Avenue SW and 126 Street.
The project is comprised of two parcels. The western parcel is 1.89 acres; the eastern parcel is .55
There are 41 town house units. The primary plat is divided into seven blocks. Later each block
will be replatted into “X” number of lots. “X” being the number of units in that building. There
are four and six unit buildings. The exception in between the two parcels is a wetlands area that
will be owned and maintained by the Redevelopment Commission. Carmel Trace Townhouse
Development will not disturb this area. All units have ground floor garages in the rear that access
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primarily off Autumn Drive, the old 126 Street. There will be no access off the new 126 Street.
Rick McClain asked who would maintain the utility easement. Kenny Windler stated these are fee
simple town houses. There will be a homeowner’s association. Owners will be responsible for the
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maintenance of their lot. Each unit is treated as a single family residence fronting on 126 Street.
Mr. McClain said they need to set up the development as a subdivision. Cable, telephone,
electrical, and gas will be requested to enter the homes from the rear. Water and sanitary sewers
will enter the homes from the front. Rick McClain needs to see the elevations. Easements will be
needed for this development. A coordination meeting will be scheduled. Each unit will be treated
as an individual home.
Dick Hill said most of his comments were directed toward construction plans. These homes are
three bedroom units that can option differently. Access easements will be required. The sidewalk
on Autumn Drive will be a requirement. The landscape treatment between driveways has not been
determined. Some separation is desired. The street name should be City Center Drive. Existing
and proposed vacation of rights-of-way should be shown. Keith Lash said construction plans
would be filed for review next month.
Chuck Shupperd understands all of the units connect together. Mr. Windler said all units would
have individual meters. If the gas main is connected in the rear, an easement will be required. Mr.
Lash envisions a 15-foot easement along the north strip of the property. There is a gas main on old
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126 Street. There is no gas in Parkside Village. Blocks G and H can be reached; the others
require extension of the gas line. Bill Akers stated the units would be addressed off of Autumn
Drive.
Jeff Kendall had no comments.
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Scott Brewer requires landscape plans. Keith Lash stated there are none at this time. Better
labeling is required on the site plan. The Carmel Redevelopment Commission will sell the area
east of G and H for commercial or retail use. Autumn Drive has a 50-foot right of way. Dick Hill
added that the plat starts at 58 feet and then narrows to 50 feet. The plans show one storm sewer
into the wetland. The petitioner is trying to charge the wetlands. This development is taking away
all of the watershed from the wetlands. Block F and the eastern piece continue to drain into the
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wetlands. There is a culvert pipe that the City installed on 126 Street that drains the wetlands and
goes into a curb inlet. Scott Brewer may have comments about that; he will list his concerns in a
letter. Jeff Kendall asked if this matter is regulated by IDEM. Mr. Lash responded it is only if the
wetlands are disturbed. No construction occurs in the wetlands. Mr. Lash does not know if IDEM
made any comments on this project.
John Lester understands there will be a sidewalk along Autumn Drive. He requested an updated
copy of the plan.
Steve Cash had no comments.
John South asked how that wetland is currently drained. Keith Lash is reducing the watershed. He
will have information on that with construction plans. Mr. South stated this needs to be addressed
to make sure there is adequate capacity for what they want to do.
Gary Hoyt understands the project will not be sprinkled. He suggested a separate meeting to
discuss the addition of a couple more fire hydrants in the complex. These will be three-story
buildings. Parking will be ground level with living area above. A Knox box is not needed if the
buildings are not sprinkled. All homes will have individual front doors. Jim Foster, fire
department, will discuss the matter further next month.
Jon Dobosiewicz asked for a description of block A. Keith Lash said it will be plated into various
blocks and at a later date recorded. Once building number two on Block B is built, they will replat
B into five lots. There will probably be a common area at the back. The lots will be established at
a later date. Mr. Dobosiewicz believes it is important at this time to establish the easements for the
utilities as well as cross access. The utilities will run through the common area. The concern
voiced today was how would individual homes be serviced without an easement. Mr. Lillig stated
the lines could shift; the petitioner needs to show how this will work as a subdivided unit. Scott
Brewer expressed concern about landscaping the parking areas. There are requirements within C1
for buffer yard widths and landscaping. The mailbox location has not been determined. Mr.
Windler thinks there will be cluster boxes off the rear. Covenants are needed. However, covenants
for a similar project could be submitted. Parking space dimensions, since they are loading up to a
curb, will be 10’ x 16’ or 9’ x 18’. There are two options. Mr. Lillig requested the cuts on C & D
be reduced to control traffic on Autumn Drive. Elevations are needed. Mr. Lash agreed to provide
them. There will be walks from the units to the multi use paths. A total of 15 feet from the back
curb is being vacated. CSO is working with Redevelopment. If the right of way is platted as part
of Parkside Village, it must go to Plan Commission for approval. Mr. Windler is considering
monument signage at one of two locations. Subdivision signage requires Plan Commission
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approval. It can be pursued now or later with an ADLS. Jon Dobosiewicz asked to have the extent
of the wetland delineated. It will not be platted as a separate block; it will be completely excluded.
West Carmel Center - Block G (Primary Plat Amendment & Secondary Plat)
The site is located southeast of West 106th Street and North Michigan Road. The site is
zoned B-3/Business and is located within the US 421/Michigan Road Overlay Zone.
Filed by Kevin D. McKasson of Glendale Partners.
Alan Fetahagic, American Consulting Engineers, presented the case for primary and secondary plat
approval of Block G in West Carmel Center. Plans were submitted on April 20, 2001. The
residents of Ashbrooke Subdivision are concerned with increased traffic due to the development of
West Carmel Center. They have requested cutting off Carwinion Way from Commerce Drive by
installing a cul de sac. Meetings were held last November with the Fire Department regarding
emergency exits. Those have been addressed with breakable barricades and with grass pavers that
can handle fire trucks. The Carmel school system requires a 50 foot radius for cul de sacs to allow
for school buses turns. Mr. Fetahagic has addressed the comments received. The Highway
Department wants a 15-foot drainage and utility easement and breakaway barricades between the
cul de sac and Commerce drive. He will resubmit plans to the Highway Department. Mr.
Fetahagic believes he needs to apply for waivers for length of street and a stub connection between
a street and subdivision.
Chris Burt stated approval of the barricades must be obtained from the County Highway
Department and the Fire Department. An acceptable barricade is used in Applewood Subdivision.
Dick Hill had no comments; this project is outside of City jurisdiction.
Chuck Shupperd had no concerns about this project or comments.
Jeff Kendall asked why Glendale Partners took on this project. Mr. Fetahagic stated they want to
be a good neighbor.
Scott Brewer did not receive a set of plans. He asked if any landscaping is planned around the cul
de sac. Only a fence and grass will be installed unless more is required. Mr. Brewer will look at
Ordinance requirements.
John Lester had no comments.
Steve Cash is disappointed this project is planned. He believes it is short sighted on the petitioner's
part. Subdivisions need to be interconnected. Both projects developed concurrently during the past
ten years. The purpose of the roadway is to lessen the traffic impact on external roads. This
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closure will increase traffic on 96 Street and 106 Street. Planning has not been followed. The
residents purchased lots knowing there was a commercial center next to the subdivision. It is a
poor choice to shut off access. Reconstruction will be required of the existing regulated drain. Mr.
Cash needs a petition for reconstruction of subsurface drain, a non-enforcement permit since drain
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location changes the easement around the cul de sac, the engineer’s estimate for the amount of
reconstruction of the drain, and a letter of credit or bond.
Sharon Prater did not receive a set of drawings; she requested a meeting. The pipeline must to be
identified on the plat. Ms. Prater needs to know what is proposed inside the easement. Alan
Fetahagic responded that the pipeline easement is shown on construction plans. There will not be
any drains in the easement. There will only be a piece of paved area. Ms. Prater objected to the cul
de sac inside their easement.
John South did not get a set of plans but has no major soil and water issues. He does require an
erosion control plan. Alan Fetahagic agreed to provide that.
Gary Hoyt asked who would maintain the brick paver. Mr. Fetahagic will find out. A commitment
agreement is required. He also needs information about the breakaway barricade.
John South thinks the plan looks okay.
Laurence Lillig agrees with Steve Cash. The plan shows a 50-foot radius. Carmel requires only a
38-foot radius for cul de sacs. Mr. Lillig believes Hamilton County requirements are the same.
Also a 67-foot radius is indicated for the right of way. Only 50 feet are required. Mr. Lillig asked
the petitioner to consider reducing the size. Mr. Fetahagic said the school system wanted a 50-foot
radius. The grass paver is acceptable. The Department may be in opposition to this project. The
minor changes involving monuments and markers, key maps, etc. will be discussed later.
Jon Dobosiewicz needs written documentation of approvals granted by the county commissioners.
Alan Fetahagic will provide those along with minutes from the County meeting. The sidewalk
connection between the subdivision must be maintained. If a sidewalk is on both sides of the street,
some accommodation should be made to deal with both. Mr. Lillig stated it appears Carwinion
Way is out of the right of way. The line is not shown. Alan Fetahagic will provide a drawing that
shows it.
West Carmel Center – Block A (Secondary Plat)
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The site is located southeast of West 106 Street and North Michigan Road. The site is zoned
B-3/Business and is located within the US 421/Michigan Road Overlay Zone.
Filed by Kevin D. McKasson of Glendale Partners.
Alan Fetahagic explained the amended secondary plat for Block A West Carmel Center. The
secondary plat was approved before. The only change is the depiction of separate lots. It was
previously recorded as a single lot. Now all four lot lines are shown plus easements on lots 2 and 3,
Wendy's and Ritter’s. These are the only changes to the plat from the last approval.
Chris Burt sent a comment letter. Mr. Fetahagic did not receive it. Another copy will be sent to
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him. A two-foot non access easement is needed behind the right of way of 106 Street. The access
drive runs down the middle of the site.
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Chuck Shupperd and Jeff Kendall had no comments.
Discussion reverted to Block G. Jon Dobosiewicz requested a traffic impact analysis. The Plan
Commission will want to know the number of trips that are not resident generated. A traffic study
document would be a good starting point for the Commission. Jeff Kendall agreed a traffic study
was needed. There is a contention by homeowners that a lot of extra traffic will result.
John Lester needs a plan showing Commerce Drive. The sidewalk should connect to the multi use
path.
Steve Cash stated the easement must be shown for the regulated drain along 421. When Block A
was developed, it was shown on that plan. Page three shows a 30-foot drainage easement. Mr.
Cash sees an arrow along the drive, but not along 421. Laurence Lillig does not think it is shown
either. Steve Cash thinks it is 30 feet along 421. There is an open swale and detention basin. Alan
Fetahagic directed his attention to sheet number 4; there is a drainage easement around the pond.
Steve Cash asked to have it labeled. Alan Fetahagic referred to the legend. It should be better
labeled. Lot 1 will be split; it needs to be extended.
Sharon Prater does not think a replat will affect them. Block A does not affect them.
John South and Gary Hoyt had no comments.
Laurence Lillig believes Commerce Drive is platted at 80 feet. The Thoroughfare Plan calls for 90
feet. A new drawing is needed to show how improvements will affect the site. The buildings must
be included and how they relate in regard to lot lines and rights of way. A key map is required
showing Block A in West Carmel Center. On the replat, Block A should be lot 4. Alan Fetahagic
said the entire Block is “A”. On sheet five, it appears there are four different signature blocks for
Kevin McKasson. Mr. Lillig believes there should only be one owner for Glendale Partners. There
should be just one signature block. Once an exhibit is produced showing improvements, they will
talk about the additional 10 feet for Commerce Drive. Monuments and markers must be consistent
with Section 8.2 of the Subdivision Regulations. The drawing must shift to catch the northeast
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corner of the block. The problem exists on sheets 2 and 4. One sheet one, 106 Street should be
labeled as “west”. Laurence Lillig will compose a letter outlining the comments.
Windsor Grove (Secondary Plat)
The site is located southwest of West 106th Street and Towne Road. The site is zoned S-
1/Residence.
Filed by James O. Rinehart of Stoeppelwerth & Associates for Jim Caito
Jim Rinehart presented the secondary plat for Windsor Grove. This one section subdivision is
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south west of 106 Street and Towne Road. There are 35 lots on 37 acres. Mr. Rinehart received
some comments from TAC members.
Chris Burt did not receive plans in time to review. He will write a comment letter. Steve
Broermann will do the review.
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Dick Hill had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd believes this subdivision has been laid out and the contract awarded.
Scott Brewer had no landscape details with his set of plans. He needs them. Jim Rinehart said
there have been no changes since the primary plat. Mr. Brewer commented on the area on lots 2
and 3 that represents a significant natural resource. It has very large trees, a wetland, and a creek.
There is no preservation plan for the large trees. Steve Wilson said some trees would be cut down
on the lots. To make the lots buildable, the area will need to be dried out. This will kill all the
cotton wood trees along the creek. Richard Carriger said there is no way around the problem.
Scott Brewer will write a comment letter.
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John Lester was pleased to see a 10-foot path on 106 Street and Towne Road.
Steve Cash thinks the drainage plan looks good. Lots 2 and 3 plans show intercepting drainage.
He suggests care with those lots. When a creek flows through an area, there will be subterranean
ground water flow. This needs to be considered when designing around that area. When there is
high ground water flow, under the surface it will be the same. Mr. Cash suggested subsurface
drainage. Regarding Scott Brewer’s comments about lot 2 and 3, the developer will want to shift
the house pads away from the creek area even though the creek will be gone.
John South believes there is potential here for drainage or soil problems. It is important to bring
this to the developers’ attention. He cited soil conditions, tree roots, and a changing water table.
Lots 2 and 3 will have wetness and dampness problems. He suggested improvements to install sub
surface drainage on the western side of the lots. The house pads are on a low grade; it will be
difficult to drain unless the trees are taken out. The wetland is not shown on the plat. On lot 2, the
house will be to the right as viewed from the street. The brick ledge can be adjusted to the lay of
the land even though the house may be raised up a little higher. The developer will be aware of
that. John South still believes there could have been a better lay out plan. There may be problems.
Mr. South wishes to have his concerns on record. He will be glad to indicate to future homeowners
where they can get information.
Steve Cash stated there is an existing clay tile on lots 14 and 15. He recommends removing or
crushing it. Without doing so, the land may cave in 10 years from now. Any fields tiles
encountered during construction need to be tied into the system. At the primary plat stage, the
developer needs to petition to have the storm sewers become part of the County drain. Mr. Cash
needs procedural items; he will write a letter. When tying in on the south side of the subdivision,
the developer needs to be aware that the catch basin structure is in poor shape. He recommends
installing a new structure. Jim Caito said it was not planned. It is 10 feet over on the other
property.
John South will send a letter. There must be a note on the plan regarding the correct abandonment
of any wells on site. Richard Carriger stated the one well found has been properly abandoned. The
erosion control plan looks good but there is not much detail for the contractor. The silt trap needs
to be labeled. The contractor needs specific plans. The streets will be raised with the removed dirt.
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The drainage patterns will not be changed. There will not be much grading on the lots. The pad
areas will be raised somewhat also. The developer will revise and upgrade the grading plan. Mr.
South understands there is a wetland on site. Less than a tenth of an acre will be impacted. Mr.
South suggested showing it as a drainage easement. The majority of the wetland is within the
common area. Even if they disturb that entire area that lies on a lot, it would be less than a 1/10 of
an acre. The wetland will be labeled within the common area. The wetland area within lot 3 will
be ignored. Mr. South requested a copy of any documentation from IDEM or the Corps of
Engineers. Scott Brewer also would like a copy. Regarding the drainage plan, an overflow pass is
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suggested for the water from the lots along 106 Street and east of the Kings Mill entrance in case
the beehive cannot accept all of it.
Gary Hoyt sent a letter. Since the pavers were added he has no further comments.
Jon Dobosiewicz had brief comments on the secondary plat. The signature blocks need to changed.
It will be signed by county commissioners not the board of public works. The secondary plat
number needs to be added. The landscape plan and signage location should be incorporated into
the construction plans. On the common area number 7, there is a guard house structure. Jeff
Kendall said if it was within the easement, a letter will be needed. This must be coordinated with
the County Highway Dept. A copy of the covenants will be provided. The homeowner’s
association will maintain the eyebrow for lots 7, 8, 9, and 10. A maintenance easement should be
included.
Hazel Dell Pond at Waterstone (Primary Plat)
The site is located northwest of East 116th Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is zoned
R-2/Residence.
Filed by Douglas B. Floyd for Mark Stout Development, Inc.
Mr. Floyd asked to have the case tabled to next month.
Lucky Farms Riding Stable (SU-62-01)
The applicant is seeking approval of a riding stable. The site is located at 9919 Towne Road.
The site is zoned S-1/Residence.
Filed by Adam DeHart of Keeler-Webb Associates for Lucky Farms, LLC.
Adam DeHart presented the case for Lucky Farms LLC . The project will be heard by the Board of
Zoning Appeals. The special use has been generated because the owners have torn down a barn
and wish to replace it with a barn of similar capacity. The site is being used as a riding arena. The
parcel contains 5.9 acres. The building permit to construct a barn has been issued. However, BZA
approval is required before horses can be stabled there.
Chris Burt did not receive any plans. The Highway department moved; Mr. DeHart was not aware.
Adam DeHart will also get plans to Scott Brewer.
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Chuck Shupperd had no comments.
Jeff Kendall issued a building permit due to some hardship factors with the horses. He wants to
keep up with inspections. There is some existing foundation. The only work to date has been the
placement of poles for the main structure.
Scott Brewer inquired about any additional landscaping. Mr. DeHart stated none was planned.
Steve Cash asked about parking. The owner is just replacing parking. The old building was a little
smaller. New construction is over a gravel parking area that will not be replaced. There will be no
additional imperious surface. Since drainage is not changing, Mr. Cash will not require a permit.
John South inquired if this zoning approval creates conflict with primary plat approval. Laurence
Lillig said it does.
Jim Foster asked if the building would be sprinkled. It will not be. The height of the building will
be 32' 10".
Laurence Lillig stated this barn is on property that received primary plat approval for Treesdale
Subdivision, Section 2. The barn will be in place for a substantial amount of time. The subdivision
will be finished when the owners no longer have an interest in the riding stable. Mr. Lillig believes
the petitioner will need to apply for a primary plat amendment for the cul de sac in excess of 600
feet. He will discuss this with legal counsel. Adam DeHart inquired if a time limitation was given
on the subdivision. Mr. Lillig responded that approval carries an expectation that another project
will not be begun without its superseding previous approval. The matter will be further discussed
with Mr. DeHart.
North Augusta, Section 2, Lot 49 (UV-52-01)
The applicant seeks approval to utilize an existing residential structure as a temporary
construction office in conjunction with the construction of the Majestic Corner Plaza office
project. The site is located at 3714 West 97th Street. The site is zoned S-1/Residence and is
located within the US 421/Michigan Road Overlay Zone.
Attorney Ronald Bussell presented the case. The owner requests permission to use a house as a
temporary construction building for the project across the street. Mr. Bussell believes it is better
than a trailer on the construction site. A three building office complex is be being constructed.
Thirty days after completion of the office project, the home would revert back to a residence.
Chris Burt has not received plans. He believes there are no real modifications. He has no problems
with it.
Chuck Shupperd had no comments.
Jeff Kendall understands that the house is being used as a construction office prior to Board of
Zoning Appeals approval. Site inspections reveal that. Many complaints have been received. This
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use is not under the “home occupation” threshold. Mr. Rastigar received those guideline. This
activity is illegal. Mr. Kendall intends to be at BZA to relate the number of calls received. The
petitioner has ignored his request to cease and desist immediately. The activity has not been
brought into compliance with home occupation guidelines. A lot of time has been spent to appease
the neighbors in the area. This neighborhood is in transition. Mr. Bussell offered to call the
neighbors as a public relations effort.
Scott Brewer understands this will be a temporary use and the Board could set a termination on a
variance. Therefore, Mr. Brewer does not see a need for additional landscape plans. Otherwise, he
needs a specific time ending date.
Steve Cash stated there is a regulated drain on the site. There is no additional impervious, hard
surface used for parking. The driveway is used for this purpose. Completion of the project is
planned for this year. The petitioner received calls from neighbors too. If the parking is more than
a temporary situation, Mr. Cash will have requirements for the water shed. An underground
detention system was installed a few weeks ago. If the petitioner uses the existing driveway, there
will not be problem with the Surveyor’s Office.
John South had the same comment as long as they are not changing the use.
Gary Hoyt has no concern with the project.
Laurence Lillig inquired about the number of employees. There are two in addition to Majid
Rastigar. His son may be a third employee. Mr. Bussell does not know if anyone else will be
parking on the site. Mr. Lillig will need to know. The termination date can be provided. The
office will be used for supervision of the project across the street. Subcontractors might come into
the house to look at plans. Mr. Lillig said construction materials could not be stored on site. There
can be no parking on the lawn. The Community Services staff has not met as a staff to discuss a
recommendation. He thinks there will be a negative recommendation. Commitments for storage
and parking may be required.
The meeting adjourned at 1:15 p.m.
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