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The regular meeting of the Carmel Plan Commission was called to order
by Jeff Davis, President , at 7: 35 P. M. , July 19, 1988 at the City Meeting
Hall,. The meeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance.
The roll was called and members present were as follows: Jeff Davis, Ila
Badger , Max Moore, Alan Potasnik , Frank Fleming , Betty Stevenson , Bob Boone,
Dick Albright, Ted Johnson , Henrietta Lamb. Mrs. McMullen arrived at 8
P. M. . Jim O 'Neal and Dr. Sandra Long were absent.
Staff members present were Wes Bucher, Chuck Kiphart , David Cunningham,
Rick Brandau, Gordon Byers and Dorthy Neisler.
Mr. Fleming moved that the minutes of the June 21 , 1988 meeting be
approved as submitted with corrections listed below.
Mr. Moore seconded.
The following corrections were made:
Page 2, Paragraph 2, 3) would rezone part of 5-2 to R-2, but would not
covenant that it would be developed residential .
Page 4, 2g. should read a 14,000 square foot addition for the Ritz.
Charles.
Page 6, Paragraph 2 should read: why is the residential area on 96th and
Michigan Road included in this overlay zone rather than just a corridor down _
Michigan Road?
Page 6, Paragraph 3 should read: The Plan Commission currently does not
have total control along 421 . A large portion of that area is zoned I-1
which would allow for diverse, unattractive development, ,
Page 6, Paragraph 8 should read: Don Bryant , 4685 W. 116th Street ,
Questioned if there are restrictions on the number of stories the structure
is allowed to have within this corridor?
Page 7, Paragraph 8 should read: Mr. Schultz questioned if there is
anything in this zone that would allow existing properties to stand change,
like a wooded area being developed are there any guidelines for setbacks, or
screened areas of so many feet as was discussed along the Springmill Road
Corridor.
Page 10, last paragraph should read: Mr. Potasnik stated that after
payment of all fines and penalties, would Mr. Stewart be in conformance with
regards to the violations for which he has been sited?
G. PUBLIC HEARING
1g. 7: 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 72-88 P.P., a Primary Plat
for Kaiser Woods Subdivision. This plat involves one ( 1 ) lot on
one (1 ) acre of land located on the West side of Cherry Tree Road ,
approximately 739 feet South of 146th Street , Clay Township ,
Hamilton County, IN. Site is zoned S-1 , Single Family
Residential . (This project went to the Carmel Board of Zoning
Appeals for a variance (V 43-87) from the subdivision requirements
requiring a formal plat be submitted and was denied by the Board
of Zoning Appeals on 9/28/87. )
Filed by Craig Kaiser for kaiser Real Estate, lnc. Mr. Byers gave a brief
background on the project and the reason for denial in September , 1987 by the
Board of Zoning Appeals.
The public hearing was opened at 7: 50 P. M. with Mr. Stan Neal , Weihe
Engineers, making a presentation.
Mr. Craig Kaiser , Kaisers Real Estate was present .
A site plan was shown indicating an on-site septic system and well .
Mr. Jack Wodock , 14444 Cherry Tree Road, who lives adjacent and to the
North of this lot. Gave an update of the history of the property. Mr.
Wodock stated the he has no opposition to the proposed , but has some
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questions and the following concerns: 1 ) request that trash at the site be
cleaned up in a reasonable amount of time (pictures passed around) ; 2)
request building line of 45 ' instead of 40 ' ; 3) feels a minimum of 2000
square `feet for a one story house and a minimum of 2500 square feet for a twc
story house should be required; 4) the site used to be part of an old gravel
pit , would like proof that a septic system is possible; 5) also, who is the
property owner?
The public hearing was closed at 8: 04 P. M.
In response to Mr. Wodocks ' questions Mr. Neal stated that the 40 '
building line is allowed by the zoning ordinance, that the petitioner has no
problem with changing the covenants to meet the 2000 square feet for a one
story and 2500 square feet for a two story and that the petitioner has a
letter in the file from Jim Uptgraff , County Sanitarian stating that he
recommends a Wisconsin Mound septic system on this property. Mr. raiser
states that Kaiser Real Estate has the option an buy the property. Mr. Neal
requested suspension of the rules and action on this request tonight.
Mr. Davis read the staff recommendations (which is a part of the official
minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Mr. Potasnil requested an explanation of what a Wisconsin Mound system is
and if now in the township this type of system is in use?
Mr. kiphart explained what a Wisconsin Mound System is.
Mr. Byers stated that the commission cannot force the petitioner to
change the covenants as long as he is meeting the existing zoning
requirements, regarding to the house size, etc.
Mr. Albright made a motion to suspend the rules and act on this matter
tonight. 1
Mr. Potasnil: seconded.
Motion carried.
Mrs. Badger questioned how soon the petitioner could get the trash
cleaned up off this lot'
Mr. Neal stated that the petitioner would make an earnest attempt to get
big items out immediately. As Mr. kaiser does not currently own the lot , he
cannot commit to 30 days from tonight , but once they have taken ownership
they will commit to having it cleaned up within 30 days.
Mrs. Badger Moved that Docket No. 72-88 P. P. for Kaiser Woods Subdivision
be approved this evening contingent upon requirement of the TAC committee and
also that 30 days after Mr. kaiser takes ownership of this property the large
trash items will be cleaned out.
Mrs. McMullen seconded.
Findings of Fact were completed by board members.
Approved 11 -0. 1
2g. 7: 30 P. M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 74-88 D. F'. /AI)LS a
Development Plan and Architectural Design , Lighting , Landscaping
and Signage for Phase One of- Meridian Corporate Plaza (Trammel
Crow Co. Project) . Site is located directly north of I465 east
of Meridian Street (U.S. 31 ) and West of College Ave. , Clay
Township , Hamilton County, IN > Site is 69.04 acres in size and
zoned 8-5, B-6 and 8-7. Phase One includes two (2) multi story
office buildings, one 145,000 square feet six stories high , second
63,000 square feet one three stories high.
Filed by Jim Nelson, Attorney for Crow, Hammes, Gillespie, Inc.
The public hearing was opened at 8: 22 P.M.
Mr. Sam Gillespie, local partner , Chris White of Paul I . Cripe, Inc. , and
Tom Brower from Architectural Firm, Urban Design Group were present.
Mr. Jim Nelson ,. 3663 Brumley Way, Carmel presented the following
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infor• m 1t iOn 1 or ( ommissions review:
aerial photo showing site location plans for Phase I will include
one 6 story office building and one 3 story office building and
substantial on site and off site improvements.
Landscape Flans and Signage Plans.
Project entrance plans.
Lighting and Parking Plans.
Plans showing covered trash receptacle which is totally
enclosesd.
Building plans indicating that the six story office building will
be constructed of granite, glass and copper color roof screen on
top; the three story building will be constructed of ironspot
brick.
Drainage plans showing the reconstruction of Clara knots drain.
Road system plan showing the redesign of the intersection at 103rd
and Pennsylvania Street and road improvements along College Ave. .
Sue Dillon spoke regarding this petition (which is a part of the
official minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Mark Tutwiller , 10101 N. Meridian, Tutwiller Cadillac expressed the
following:
his interest as an adjacent business owner are not being preserved
proposed project will create additional traffic problem in the
area that are not being addressed.
Mr. Tutwiller stated that he would like and must have access from
Meridian Street to his business. He would like the developer to be fair and
equitable with him and provide a right-of-way or a road way from Pennsylvania
Street to his business. Mr. Tutwiller spoke in favor of the project, and
would requested consideration of his request.
The public hearing was closed at 9:02 P.M.
Mr. Albright asked if the construction of a sidewalk along the South
side of 103rd Street from College to Pennsylvania will be part of Phase One
and will it contain the necessary drainage.
Mr. Nelson stated it would be apart of Phase One and the ditches will
be reworked.
Mr. Albright questioned if Pennsylvania will continue to be a
dedicated right of way.
Mr. Nelson stated the right-of-way of Pennsylvania will be dedicated
and we do have preliminary approval from Hamilton County Commissioners.
Mr. Albright questioned if they are widening 103rd from Pennsylvania
to Meridian to four lane also what will be done with the mess Cedar Wood
created with the difference in elevation of the road because of the high
pressure gas line.
Mr. Nelson stated the street would be raised in that particular area
so the gas line does not have to be moved.
Mr. Nelson stated that in regards to the landscape plan corierriing the
Clara knots drain that the elevation of ground next to the ditch is 5 ' higher
than the surrounding topography. The Clara Knots drain is a ditch that is
100 ' wide. As a part of this project we are proposing substantial
improvement to this legal drain. Of the 69 acres we are preserving 19 acres
as a. park area, as well as preservation of existing vegetation.
Mr. Nelson stated that the petitioner will speak with Mr. Tutwiller
and there will be a public right of way accessible to him.
Referred to Land Use Committee, August 2, 1988 at 7: 30 P.M. , at the
City Meeting Hall .
3g. 7: 30 F. M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 75-88 P. P. , a Primary Plat
for Barrettwood Subdivision. This plat includes 13 lots on 18. 8
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acres of land located East of Towne Road approximately 2300 feet
North of 116th Street, Clay Township, Hamilton County, IN. Site
is zoned S-1 , single family residential . (Subdivision as prepares'
requires variance from Subdivision regulations Sec. 6. 3. 7, ;,
Cul-de-sacs streets shall not exceed 600 feet in length , proposed
Cul-de-sac is approximately 1070 feet in length) also no road
extensions are provided to adjacent undeveloped property to
provide for a coordinated road system between this development and
future subdivisions to be developed adjacent to this site.
Sec. 6.3.3 Carmel Subdivision regulations.
Filed by George Sweet for Brenwick/Towne Limited.
The public hearing opened at 9: 12 P.M. with George Sweet , 2008 Burning
Tree Lane, Carmel making presentation.
Laura Smith, Landscape Architect, and Terry Quillman of Smith Quillman
Engineers were present.
A primary Flat indicating the following was presented:
minimum one acre lot size
single cul-de-sac with private entrances
storm drainage plan
private wells and private septic systems
streets will be single cul-de-sacs with divided entrance.
There were no comments from the public.
The public hearing was closed at 9: 17 F.M.
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Mr. Albright questioned the gas lines through the property.
Mr. Sweet stated there are 4 high pressure gas lines going through the
property.
Mr. Boone questioned if it is the developer or builders responsibility to.
see to it that some sort of control is maintained with regard to trash being
blown around into other areas.
Mr. Kiphart stated they do contact the builders regarding the debris. ,
Also the developers of adjacent properties have cleaned up other bUi.lders '
debris so their lots are more attractive to sell .
Mr. Albright stated the need of making this a requirement when issuing
building permits. '
Mr. Davis requested a letter stating how these septic systems will work.
Mr. Boone questioned Mr. Kiphart regarding back yard grass areas that
couldn 't be mowed because of the storm water retention ponds being put in the
yards and not being maintained.
Mr. Kiphart stated that the staff does have concerns regarding detention/
retention ponds being put on lots. These drainage facilities should be put
on separate areas. They are a problem even in nice subdivisions. Staff will
have a recommendation at the Subdivision Committee meeting on this matter.
Referred to Subdivision Committee meeting on August 2, 1988 at 7: 30 P.M.
at City Meeting Hall .
4g. 7: 30 P.M. Public Hearing on Docket No. 77-88 P.P. , a Primary Plat
Cluster Housing for The Greens Subdivision. This plat includes
316 lots on 101 .8 acres of land located at the Northeast corner of
96th and Shelbourne Road. Site is zoned R-1 , single family
residential .
Filed by E. Davis Coots for Mr. W. C. Chance, Basic American.
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Item was TABLED.
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lh. Commission to consider Docket No. 78-88 ADLS, Sign Package for
Meridian Mortgage Group an (identification) tenant sign to be
located at 101 E. Carmel Drive, Carmel , Indiana. Site is located
directly East of Ponderosa Steak Restaurant on the South Side of
E. Carmel Drive. Site is zoned B-8. Proposed wall sign is 34. 75
square feet (allowed 35 square feet) . Sign is individual
illuminated brown plastic bound with metal edge letters.
Filed by Robert D. Myers, Meridian Mortgage Group for Eaton and
Lauth, Property Owner.
Robert Myers, Vice President of Meridian Mortgage Group made a
presentation.
The building does not have a sign at present. This sign will be the only
sign and will be 35 square feet in size. The sign was shown to all Plan
Commission members, it will be on the North side of the building. - •
Referred to Industrial and Commercial Committee meeting on August 2, 1988
at 7: 30 P.M. at City Meeting Hall .
2h. Commission to consider Docket No. 79-88 ADLS the addition of a
blue neon light around the fascia of the Dan Young Chevrolet
dealership located at the Northeast corner of 96th Street and
Keystone Avenue in Carmel , IN. Site is zoned 8-8.
Filed by Philip A. Nicely, Attorney for Alan V. Young, Dan Young
Chevrolet.
Item was TABLED.
-=h. Commission to consider Docket No. 80-88 ADLS, an Architectural
Design , Lighting , Landscaping and signage application for Super
Shops, Inc. , automotive performance center. An Architectural
design change in the exterior facet of the existing Kinney Shoe
Store is proposed including the addition of .overhead doors, the
addition of an accent strip around the building and painting of
the existing brick building. Also an enclosed trash container is
to be added along with additional landscaping. One new sign
maximum size 35 square feet. The site is located at 1428 Range
Line Road , Carmel , IN. Site is zoned 8-8.
Filed by Keith Hubbs for Super Shops, Inc_.
Mr. Keith Hubbs, 1393 E. San Bernardino Avenue, San Bernardino,
California made presentation representing Super Shops, Inc.
The building exterior will be painted, two roll up doors in the front
will be added and their accent logo painted on building.
A trash enclosure will be placed at rear of building and enclosed.
Pictures were shown to plan commission members.
Mrs. Lamb questioned, what is Super Shops, Inc.
Mr. Hubbs stated they are an automotive parts store. The reason for roll
up doors is they install tires, wheels and shocks, they do not do oil
changes, lobe jobs, no repair of any kind. We do not hire mechanics.
Mr. Boone stated that the stripe will be yellow and bordered in red..
Mr. Hubbs answered a thin border of red and then a thin border of brown.
The balance of building will be painted tan.
Mr. Hubbs stated that the multicolored striping around the building is
their logo.
Mrs. Badger requested that a complete landscape and lighting plan be
submitted at the committee meeting.
Mr. Hubbs stated the remodeling is minor and the lighting will remain
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the same. Landscaping plan will be completed upon staffs recommendations.
Mr. Potasnik questioned what is the direction of the overhead doors.
Can the overhead doors be put in the rear of the building?
Mr. Hubbs stated that overhead doors in the rear of the building would , I
not be conducive to the way they want to use the building.
Mr. Potasnik stated concern of the visual effects.
Mrs. McMullen also stated her concern of the visual aspect of the
building.
Mrs. Badger requested that the petitioner covenant that there will be
absolutely no outside storage of any kind; and asked what material are
the overhead doors made out of. Mrs. Badger also, requested a detail plan
of night time security lighting.
Mr. Hubbs stated that the overhead doors are to be constructed of
clear glass.
Refer to Land Use Committee meeting, August 2, 1988 at 7:30 P. M. at
City Meeting Hall .
4h. Commission to consider Docket No. 87-88 Subdivision sign for
Woodgate Subdivision entrance of 146th Street , Carmel , IN. Site
is zoned R-1 . (See minutes of Subdivision Committee dated July
5, 1988. )
Filed by Mr. Bob Langston.
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Stu Huckleberry, 1089 3rd Ave. S. W. made presentation.
Mr. Langston was present.
Sign would be located at NE corner of intersection and place on a
wall constructed of Brown County field stone, the sign will be sandblasted
wood letters, letters will be painted dark brown with a background of
light brown. The sign will be 12 square feet in size.
Mr. Boone moved to suspend the rules and act on this tonight.
Mrs. Badger seconded.
Motion carried.
Mr. Boone moved that Docket No. 87-88 be approved as presented.
Mrs. Badger seconded.
Approved 11-0.
Motion carried.
5h. Commission to consider Docket No. 81-88 ADLS, a sign package
(Phase One) for Carmel Science and Technology Park. Petitioner
proposes two ground complex identification signs: one to be
located at the intersection of Carmel Drive and Old Meridian
Street and the second sign at Carmel Drive and the projects East
property boundary. Site is zoned M-3.
Filed by Mr. Carter Jackson for Carmel Science and Technology
Park.
Mr. Davis read staff recommendations (which is a part of the official
minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Jim Nelson, 3663 Brumley Way made presentation.
Carter Jackson , general. partner; John Lamson and Gary Condon of Lamson
& Condon , Inc. were present.
Signage information was passed out to all plan commission members.
Mr. Nelson stated that there will be two primary signs and five
secondary signs which are all architecturally the same.
Renderings of the identification signs were presented.
The sign will be constructed of prefabricated metal , background will
be black in color inset into the black background sign will be white
internally illuminated letter that will spell on the two primary signs
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"Carmel Science and Technology Park" as well as the logo. On the 5
secondary signs will spell "Carmel Science and Technology Park" will
include logo as well as a description of the entrance. The signs are 4 '
in twi tdht, 26 ' in length, set on a 6" base and contains 117 square feet.
Samples of sign material shown.
Mr. k.iphart stated the five additional signs do require a variance
from the Board of Zoning Appeals.
Mr. Boone moved to suspend the rules and approve this item tonight per
BZA approval of a variance for the five additional signs.
Mrs. Badger seconded.
Motion carried.
Mrs. Badger questioned the total acreage.
Mr. Nelson stated it was a total of 3.0 acres.
Mr. Johnson moved that Docket No. 81-88 be approved as submitted with
seven signs.
Mrs. Badger seconded.
Mr. Moore questioned if each of these signs are 27 ' in width and 4 ' in
height.
Mr. Nelson stated each sign will be 26' in length , 4 '6" in height from
the ground. All seven will be same, except each secondary sign will vary
depending on its street name.
-Mrs. McMullen questioned if staff is satisfied with landscaping around
the sign.
Mr. Brandau stated staff concerns that is lots are to be parceled off
there will need to be easements so that signs can be maintained.
Landscaping plans were submitted.
Mr. Nelson stated that an owners association will be formed and it is
their responsibility to maintain the signs, whether the land is sold or
not.
Approved 11-0.
Motion carried.
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1,i . Commission to consider Docket No. 61-88 DP/ADLS, a Development
Plan/Architectural Design, Lighting and Signage Application for
the Two Meridian Plaza building, a four story 124,000 square
foot office building located on a 7. 7 acre parcel located at
103rd and Meridian and located in the US 31 Corridor Overlay
zone and zoned B-5.
Filed by Rusty Richardson for Eaton-Lauth.
Mrs. Badger read the Land Use Committee report (which is a part of the
official minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Mrs. Badger moved that Docket No. 61-88 be approved as submitted.
Mrs. McMullen seconded.
Mr. Albright questioned the road alignment as it related to the
property lines which make it impossible to make the roads any wider.
Mr. Richardson gave a brief historical presentation of how and why
Pennsylvania Street was constructed. Mr. Richardson stated that they will
cooperate in all fashions with City when the appropriate time comes to
move forward concerning sidewalks, street widths, etc.
Mr. Albright stated that there is no drainage along one side of the
road and wondered if that was what county had approved and how that came
to be. Has county accepted. this road.
Mr. Richardson stated the county has approved our road plan as it is
constructed.
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There was further discussion on who had made commitments on putting
sidewalks in and who have actually done so.
Mr. Richardson stated that Eaton-Lauth is a real estate management
brokerage and development company. We lease and manage property for the
owners,
Approved 11-0.
Motion carried.
2i . Commission to consider Docket No. 62-88 DP/ADLS on Developmental
Plan/Architectural Design , Lighting and Signage Application for
a 14,000 square foot addition for the Ritz Charles banquet
facility. Site is located at 12156 N. Meridian on 7. 9 acres of
land. Site is in the US 31 Corridor Overlay Zone and zoned B-6.
Filed by Jim Nelson for the Ritz Charles.
Mr. Potasnik read the Land Use Committee report (which is a part of
the official minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Mrs. Badger moved that Doc4:et No. 62-88 be approved as presented.
Mrs. McMullen seconded.
Mrs. Badger had talked to Judy Hagan today and Judy had no problems
with the proposed lighting standards. Letters are attached to minutes of
Land Use Committee (which is a part of the official minutes and attached
to the Master Copy.
Approved 11-0.
Motion carried.
3i . Commission to consider Docket No. 58-88 O. A. an amendment to the
Carmel /Clay Zoning Ordinance adding a new section dealing with
the establishment of an S.R. 421 Michigan Road Overlay Zone for
the purpose of the consistent and coordinated development of the
S. R. 421 Michigan Road Corridor.
Filed by Carmel Plan Commission.
The proposed amendment was read by Mr. Davis (which is a part of the
official minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Approved 11-0.
Mrs. Badger requested that the attorney put this into ordinance form.
4i . Commission to consider Docket No. 69-88 ADLS, an Architectural
Design , Lighting and Signage Application for Med Check located
at 313 E. Carmel Drive. Petitioner wishes to install a new
wall sign.
Filed by Jim Evans.
Picture of sign was shown. Sign will be 42" high by 6 ' . 65 square
feet sign is proposed.
Approved 11-C).
5i . Commission to consider Docket No. 70-88 ADLS, an Architectural
Design, Lighting and Signage Application for True Value
Hardware. Site is zoned 8-8 and located at 1122 reystone Way.
Petitioner wishes to construct a permanent outside sales and
storage facility to be used as a garden center.
Filed by Clark Haggerman.
(TABLED AT INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE MEEIIINt OF JULY
5, 1900)
This item led.
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6i . Commission to consider Docket No. 71-88 ADLS, an Architectural
Design, Lighting and Signage Application for a new 5 story
office building located in the Meridian Technology Center. Site
is located at 101 Congressional Blvd, and zoned 8-6.
Filed by Kevin Miller for Browning Investments.
Mr. Boone read the Industrial and Commercial Committee Report (which
is a part of the official minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Mr. Boone moved to approve Docket 71-88 as presented per TAG minutes
and staff research on the sidewalk situation.
Mrs. Badger seconded.
Results of staff research on sidewalks was read by Mr. Davis (which is
a part of the official minutes and attached to the Master Copy
Approved 11-0.
No further business was brought before the Plan Commission and the meeting
was adjourned at 11 F. M.
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