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The regular meeting of the Carmel Plan Commission was called ' to order by
the president, Bill Merrill,' at 7:40 P.M. October 15, 1985 at the City Meet-
ing Hall. . The meeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll was called and members present were: Bill Merrill, Vaughn Story,
Sue McMullen, Jim Schneider, Minnie Doane , Henrietta Lamb, Jim O'Neal , Ila
Badger, Sandra Long, Bob Boone , Richard Albright and Jeff Davis. . Max Moore
was absent.
Staff members present were: David Rickard, Gordon Byers. and Rosalind
McCart.
There were no additions or corrections to the minutes of the September
. 24, 1985 'meeting and Mrs. Badger moved that they be approved as submitted.
Seconded by Mr. Boone.
Motion carried.
G . Public Hearings.
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lg. ?:30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 43-85 P.D.P. , Amendment to
Primary Development Plan, Final Circulation Route for Carmel Science
and Technology Park (Formerly Founders Park) . Zoning is M-3 and the
location is east of Old Meridian St. , west of Range Line Rd. , 1 mile
north of 116th St. and i mile south of W. Main St. in Carmel, IN.
Filed by Mr. Carter Jackson.
Mr.. Jackson requested to table this item for one month because they did
not have a complete presentation to make. '
Mr. Merrill commented that this is for the final determination of the
roadway.
Mr. Boone moved to table for one month.
Seconded by Mr. Story.
' Motion carried.
2g. 7: 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 48-85 D.P. , -A B-7 Development
Plan for Stratford Center, a three building commercial office complex
located at 2000 E. 116th St. , Carmel, IN. (A part of the one approved
Woodland Professional Center Project) . Also Architectural 'Design,
Lighting and Signage.
Filed by Chuck Morgan.
_ Mr. Morgan was present.
The public hearing opened at 7:46 with Mr. Jim Nelson making the present-
ation for a 27 ,300 sq. ft. development for office use. •
A photo of the area, the site development plan and the landscaping plan
were shown and explained.
' There will be two center identification signs: •
The trash area will be of brick, 12 ft. by '12 ft. , 5 ft. high and totally
enclosed.
Japanese yews, 5 ft high, will 'be around the trash area.
Hicks yews, 4 ft. high, will be around the transformers on 3 sides.
There will be plant material around the heat pump equipment.
The site lighting was explained. .
There will be 14 poles in the parking area. -
There will be only one rear entrance to the building.
A rendering was shown of the two center identification signs. - .
Artist's. renderings of the building elevations were shown.
The public hearing closed at 8:04. • •
Mrs. Badger asked if there would be a loading berth. •
Mr. Nelson said there will be one parking space reserved for this. •
Mrs. Badger stated that the B-7 Zone requires this.
Mr. Merrill asked the committee to look into this matter.
The committee is also to look into the file prepared for these office
buildings concerning screening for the homeowners across 116th St.
Mr. Nelson showed the prior development plan.
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• This item was sent to the Industrial and Commercial Committee for revie,,,
November 5,. 1985 at the City Meeting Hall.
H. Old Business
lh. Commission to consider Docket No. 39-85 P.P. , Primary Plat Appli-
cation for Springmill Crossing Subdivision containing 336 lots on
172.41 acres. Current zoning is S-2'. Parcel is located generally --
at the N.E. corner of Spring Mill Rd. and 136th St. or Smokey Row Rd.
(NO VARIANCES REQUESTED)
Filed by Jim Nelson for Shorewood Corp.
Mr. Nelson was present.
Mr. Albright gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of
the official minutes and attached to the master copy) . The committee recom-
mended approval and Mr. Albright so moved.
Seconded by Mrs. Lamb.
Mr. Rickard stated that Mr. Kiphart has approved these plans.
The motion carried unanimously.
2h. Commission to consider Docket No. 46-85 S.P. , Secondary Plat for
Springmill Crossing, Section I, composed of 59 lots on 37.72 acres
zoned S-2. Location is generally at the N.E. corner of 136th St.. and
Spring Mill Rd.
Filed by Shorewood Corp.
Mr. Nelson was present.
Mr. Albright gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the
official minutes and attached to 'the master copy.. The committee recommended
approval arid Mr. Albright so moved.
Seconded by Mrs. Lamb.
Mr. Nelson showed the plat and pointed out Section I.
The motion carried unanimously. -
3h. Commission to consider Docket No. 44-85 ADLS, Addition to existing
Carmel Schwinn Dealership located at 912 S. Range Line Rd. in the
Carmel Gate Shopping Center, Carmel., IN. , in B-4 zoning.
Filed by E.N. Kestner.
Mrs. Badger reported that this item was tabled by the committee and Mrs .
Badger so moved.
Seconded by Mrs. McMullen.
Mrs. Badger said the Technical Advisory Committee requirement had not
been complied with.
Motion to table carried unanimously..
4h. Commission to consider Docket No. 45-85 S.P. , Secondary Plat for
Woodgate Section I, composed of 25 lots on 14.587 acres zoned R-1.
Location is south of 146th St. directly north of Cool Creek Subdiv-
ision.
Filed by Bob Langston.
Mr. Langston and Stan Neal were present.
Mr. Albright gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the
official minutes and attached to the master copy) . The committee recommended
approval subject to drainage approval by adjoining 'property owner on the
east (John Dunkerly) and subsurface drainage requirements from the .City
Engineer and Mr. Albright so moved.
Seconded by Mrs. McMullen.
Mr. Stan Neal said the drainage plan has been submitted to Mr. Kiphart.
Water flow was discussed.
There is no formal agreement because the abutting property owner is not
willing to make an agreement.
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Motion carried unanimously.
Mrs. Badger asked that the record show that the drainage plans assure
' that there will be no greater flow than there is today.
5h. Satellite Dish Antenna Ordinance
This item remains tabled.
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6h. Commission to consider Docket No. 47-85 D.P. & ADLS, A Preliminary
and Final Development Plan including Architectural Design, Lighting
and Signage review for Meridian Three (3) Corporation Office Building,
a three story 102,000 sq. ft. structure to be located at the N.E.
corner of 103rd St. and Meridian St. (U.S. 31) . Project is located ,in
a B-5 Zoned District and is within the U.S. 31 Corridor Overlay Zone.
Filed by Rusty Richardson for Meridian Three Corp.
Mr. Coots was present.
Mrs. Badger gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is.
a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) . . The com-
mittee recommended approval and Mrs. Badger so moved if the petitioner can
comply with requests per committee report..
Seconded by Mrs. McMullen. '
Mr. Coots responded that the additional right-of-way dedication is on
the site plan and that it will be a part of the recorded site plan.
Mr. Rickard said that the plan does meet the Dept. of Community Develop-
ment approval if there is a 35 ft. right-of-way.
Mr. Coots said, as to the enclosure around the mechanical equipment on the
roof of the building itself, that it is the developer' s intent to utilize the
louvered metal skin for purposes of circulation.
Mr. Simmons explained the mechanical cooling system with separate heat
pumps contained within the •building for each tenant space and stated that a
glass enclosure would not be possible around the equipment because air cir-
culation is necessary.
Mr. Coots said an alternative that they are willing to consider with the
Plan Commission is making the entire enclosure around the mechanical structure
a uniform silver color as would be the rest of the building.
Mr. Coots said they have submitted a letter from Kent Ward concerning the
drainage plan, the final approval of which is contingent on the Drainage
Board approval. '
The trash will either be self contained inside the building or a screened
enclosure outside on t;Le north portion of the site. Mr. Coots said they
prefer the exterior proposal.
The Industrial and Commercial Committee , Staff and Mr. Byers are to look
into the loading berth requirements in regard to all business zones.
Mrs. Badger asked about a solid visual screening around the transformers.
Mr. Coots addressed this problem explaining that Public Service is un-
able to locate the transformer placements for this 'Wilding until the site
is developed and as a result they cannot be placed on this site plan. Mr.
Coots said they can submit to the Commission the material that will be
planted around each individual unit for purposes of screening.
Mrs. Badger asked for a specific landscape plan.
Mrs. Badger amended her original motion to delete the decision on the
trash recepticle for the present time and the committee will further discuss
this matter. '
Mrs. McMullen, who seconded the original motion, agreed to the amendment.
Mrs. Badger stated that they would like for the louvers to be painted
green and to be a solid visual screen.
Mr. Coots said sanitary sewers on the site are anticipated in about 2
years.
The Clara Knotts Drain was discussed and the plans explained by Mr.
Albright. Mr. Albright said that it is presently an open ditch area.
Mr. Merrill stated that it is being addressed and that it will be solved.
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Mr. Albright expressed concern regarding on cite workers parking on . \�
103rd St.
Mr. Coots said they would commit to correct this matter to on site park-\
ing and not on 103rd St. '
Motion carried on the amendment to the original motion.
Motion carried unanimously. -
7h. Commission to consider Docket No. 12-85 (Revised) , Architectural
Design Change for bank teller building, located at the Wainwright
Bank Building project at the S.E. corner-of 106th St. and- Meridian St..
(U.S. 31) . Site is located in a B-5 Zoned District within the U.S.
31 Corridor Overlay Zone. Petitioner wishes to add an awning and 3
• "bank teller" signs on awning.
Filed by Dave Coots for Wainwright Bank.
Mr. Coots was present.
Mrs. Badger gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee 're ort (which is
a part of the official minutes and -attached to the master copy) . The com-
mittee recommended approval of the awning with no lettering on it and Mrs.
Badger so moved.
• Mrs. McMullen seconded.
Motion carried unanimously.
I. New Business
li . Commission to consider Docket No. 34-85 (Revised) , ADLS, Architectural
Design Change for exterior facade of the Meridian Tech. Center Build-
ing #1 (One) Office/Warehouse. Building is located north of 116th St'.
and approx. 1/4 mile east of Pennsylvania St. in a B-2 Zoned District.
ADLS review required per commitments by petitioner.
Filed by Rick Rembusch for R.V. Welch Investments Inc.
Dennis Murphy, John Deardorf,' Bill Paine, Rick Rembusch, Tom Shubert
and Bruce Nicholson were present.
' The landscaping plan and elevation drawings were shown.
The petitioner requests to go to a solid brick and architectural pre-
cast concrete bands.
Photos were shown to show the intended change.
Mrs. Badger gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which
is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) . The
committee recommended approval and Mrs. Badger so moved.
Seconded by Mr. Schneider.
Motion carried.
2i . Commission to consider Docket No. 20-84 (Revised) , ADLS, 'Architectural
Sign Change for Cool Creek Apartments located at 1001 Range Line Rd. ,
Carmel , IN. Entry sign and office directional sign involved. Project
located in a B-3 Zoned District and within the U.S. 31 Corridor Over-
lay Zone.
' Filed by Charles Miller for Cool Creek Associates.
This item was tabled as the petitioner failed to ,appear.
3i. Commission to consider 49-85 S.P.', a Secondary Plat Application for
Smokey Hollow Subdivision, 8 lots on 4. 37 acres located north of
136th 'St. 1/4 mile west of Carey Rd. , Clay Township Indiana.
Filed by Paul Lipps.
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Mr. Stan Neal was present. .
• This item was referred to the Subdivision Committee for review on Nov-
ember 5. 1985 at the City Meeting Hall.
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4i. Commission to consider Docket No. 0
� 5 84 (Revised) ADLS for the Burger
King Restaurant located in a B-8 Zoned District at 613 Carmel Drive,
// Carmel, IN. Petitioner wishes to amend plan on file to include light-
,/ ing• o.f roof red band, roof lighting, landscaping/and play equipment ,
one additional light fixture on the north west most light pole per
letter of commitment on file with City of Carmel and Carmel Plan Com-
mission.
Filed by Mr. Fred Kaufman for Rockville Development Corp.
Mr. Kaufman and Mr. Bruce Boje, Noblesville attorney, were present.
Mrs. Badger gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is
a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) .
The committee recommended approval of item #1, two (2) lights on the N. W.
light post. One light for entry and one for parking lot. (This is a re-
quest for one additional light on one pole) .
Mrs. Badger so moved.
Seconded by Mr. Boone.
Mr. Boone said the bottom of the lights are to be screened by a defuser
which was agreed to at the committee meeting.
Mr. Boje said that this is correct and they have made that commitment.
Motion carried with Dr. Long voting NO.
For the second motion, item #2, Mrs. Badger moved to approve the red
lighting of the parapet around the building. Mrs. Badger stated that the
petitioner indicated that this is advertising and identification for Burger
King.
Seconded by Mrs. McMullen.
Discussion followed regarding definition of a sign.
Mr. Story stated he feels we are stretching the point to call a lighted
parapet a sign.
The motion carried 7 For, 5 Against.
For the third motion., Mrs. Badger moved to approve three (3) sodium roof
lights.
Seconded by Mrs. McMullen.
Mr. Boje addressed this item stating that there are actually four (4) -
two (2) on the front corners , one (.1) on the right side and one (1) on the
left side near the drive-in window. These are 8 ' square sodium lights that
are commonly called flood lights.
Mr. Boje suggested some revisions to the plan.
Mrs. Badger said 'if they wish to revise their plan and start over again
with their roof lighting plan, she is not opposed, but there is a motion on
_ the floor tonight for a vote.
Mr. Boje said it would be his request to table the motion or allow them
to resubmit it at a later time with respect to those roof lights.
There was no motion made to table.
The motion to approve the four sodium roof lights failed unanimously.
Any further lighting requests will have to be further reviewed.
5i. Commission to consider Docket No. 51-85 ADLS, an Architectural Design,
Lighting and Signage Application for a nine story office building, One
Penn Mark Plaza, located at the S.E. corner of U. S. 31 and 116th St.
Site size is 6.465 acres and is zoned B-6, U.S. 31 Overlay. Develop-
ment Plan approved 3/20/84, Docket No. 0-84 D.
Filed by Dennis Murphy for R.V. Welch Investments, Inc.
Mr. Murphy made the presentation showing the site plan, landscape plan
and east elevation drawing.
One tenant sign is to be located at the top of. the building.
The site lighting plan was shown.
Mr. Rembusch said the building height is 124 ft. 6 inches.
Mr. Rembusch related that 126 ft. is allowed.
This will be the tallest building along the street.
This item was sent to the Industrial and Commercial Committee for review
on November• 5, 1985 at the City Meeting Hall.
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6i. Commission to consider Docket No. 50-85 ADLS for three-story office
building, Meridian Technology Center, Building 2, located north of
116th Street approximately 4 mile east :of, Pennsylvania Street in a
B-6 Zone; building is 50,712 sq. ft. in size.
Filed by Dennis Murphy for R.V. Welch Investments, Inc..
Mr. Murphy made the presentation showing and explaining the site plan
for a proposed 3 story, metal and glass, 50,700 sq. ft. office building.
The. landscape plan, site plan and lighting plans were shown.
Water will be supplied by Indianapolis Water Company.
Curbing was questioned by Mr. Davis.
This item was referred to the Industrial and Commercial Committee for
review on November 5, 1985 at the City Meeting Hall.
The petitioner will come in later for a sign package, but requests now
approval for monument sign on the N.E. corner of 116th -St. and Penn Rd.
to be 4 ft. at its base and would be of the same metal covering as the
building. A rendering was shown. There will. be a logo in the form of a
tree.
There being no further business to come before the Commission, the
meeting adjourned.
President Secretary