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Book,lets were distribia,ted to all Board Mem'bers,. � j
A site plan and elevat:ion exhi'bit was shown .
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The public hearing was closed at 7 : 58 `P.M.
$t''a-ffi recommendations were noted .
Mr. Story questipned how long this project has 6een 3n the planning?
Mr . Fl.oyd stated approximate.ly three monfhs .
Mr, : Kevin Callahan , projec-:t, architect stated the primary reason was the
amount of square footaye that was to be added to the building was less
than. l'0% that is ,r-equired by. law. It then went over 10% and there was a
need'„fo ,prepare and come, 'before the committee.
This will be. sent to Industrial' and Commercial Committee onlJuly 11 ,
1989` a't 7:30 P.M. at the C'ity Meeting Hall . '
H. OLD BUSINESS: �
lh. Commission to consider' Docket No. 21-89' ADLS-, an Architectural
Design Lighf'ing and Signage Application fbr Wendy ' s
Inter.nafional . Project was approved April 18, 1989 by Plan
Commission except for l;ighting . Petitioner was to retnrn for
approval of"liqhting plan.
Filed by `Tony Garcia. �
Mr. Boone read the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is
a part of the ofifiicial minutes and attached to the master copy ) .
Staffi recommentlations have been met.
Mr. Hoone moved to approye Dock-et No. 21-69 ADLS as su6mitted .
Mr. Moore seconded:'
Approved 13-0.
2h. Commission to consider pocKet No.. 22-89 P.P. , a Preliminary
Plaf appl•icati,on for Kensington Place. 7he, plat �onsists of
22 3ots ;on 3. 7 aeres ofi land located on ttie south side ofi
Smokey Row Rd:. just east ofi Old Meri"dian . Petitioner seeks
app:ro,va'1 to su'bdivide the ex,isting con`dominium project .
Pet'it-ioner appeared before the Carmel/C?lay `Board of Zoning .
Appeal';s on April 24,, 1"989 arad was granted� variances from
Sec,tions 10 5 i_n regard t❑ #ront yacd' setback , side yard
sef6ac,k,, side. y`ard ag'gregate, and lot coverage, and trom
Sec#ion 23;.01 . 9 requiring ra •minimum ofi `S acres for development
i`n the U, S. 31 Overlay Zone;., Parcel is zoned R-4.
FiEed by Steve Har:low for Ken`sing;ton D'e.velopment.
Mr. Potasni,k read the Subd`ivi-sion Committee report (which is a part of
the 'ofificia'1 minutes and attached to the Mastec Copy ) .
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Mr. Aotasnik moved tb approve DocKe,f No. 22-89 PP as submitted . '
Mrs. Lamb seconded .
Mr.Dave Cunningham stated that7in regards to �the comprehensive plan and
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� the erosion control he had spoken John South, Conservat�i+on 'Services and
has accepted fhe plan submitted tb h'im and the comprehensive pl`an
statement has been submitted. to staff and is adequate. Staff �
recommendations have been safisfiied . -�
Mr. Story question"ed the erosion situation . Will this proposed
subdivision create more of a problem without proper drainage?
Mr. Dave Cunningham stated that there will be. a retention facili'ty t'hat
will take care of drainage for this ,property . '
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1 Findings ofi facts were rompleted by all board members.
Approved 10=3. Mr. Story , Mr . Boone, Mrs . Stevenson voted, in '
opposition .
3h. Commission tb consider pocket No. 30-89 Z , a Rezone
application fior One 'Eleven Asso�iates. Si'te is located on the
south side of 111th Street directly� east of Delta' Faucet .
Site con.sists of 9 . 456 acres and is currently zoned B-:9
(Business ) . Pet-itioner wishes to rezone to B-b{,Business) .
Fz1ed by Jim J . Nelson fior Dne Eleven Associates,. ,
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Mrs. Badger read the Land Use .Commi_ttee report ( which is a par't of the
offii�cSal minutes and attached to the Master Copy ) .
Mr. Badger moved to approve Docket No. 30-89Z with limitations as
listed .
Mr . 0�' Neal second"ed�.
Mrs. Badger stated that she had received two letters in opposition
(which is a part ofi the official minutes amd attached to the Master
Copy ) .
Mr. Davis read letter that was submitted by Pattie Dick {which is a part
�of the of#i�cial minutes and ,attached to t�he Master Copy ) . �
M� . Byers stated that .rezones you are an ad.visory committee, you are a
fact fiinder on pros and cons to make a decision that is advisory � it is
�-- not 6inding ,, which ifi t.hey accept the petitioners posi'tion amends the
zoning map it rez.ones the property- and i`f they don ' t accept the burden„
the evidence ofi the petifion bhey Teav,e the zon'i'ng map alone. , You are
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aren[omlatibleancThelcom rehensi�ves lansisnatmere �uidean T,hehensive
re uire under Indrana Law to fake a -broad' look at the com _r
and how uses.
is met to �hange. Youc decision is not bindin e zone map
advisory op'inion that goes onto. th'e legislative � bod ls merely an
Courici'1 . Y , whi-ch is the City
Mr . Story questioned the Asher- Drain7 •
Mr.Southerland sfated they are in the process, of applying fi.or the..Asher.
Drain .
Mr.Story , Mr'., Davis, Mr . Boone, Mr'. Klar, Mr . Moore," Mr.s, Stevegsbn
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Vote was 7' to 6 fo recommend to City Counci.l fior a rezone.
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4h, Commission to consi�der pocke,t No,. 31-89 DP/ADLS, a Development
P1'an and Architecfural Design , Lighting and Signage
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� Appli'cation for Wyndham Hotel Company . Si,te is located 1/4
mile wesf of Coll'ege Ave. just north ;of I-465. Site is zoned
' B-b and consis;ts of, 3.72 acres. Peti't'ioner wishes approval to
— construc-tt ,a 99�;s385� square foot, hotel ..consis.ting of 172 rooms
p^lips mee;f'ing' rooms and' cafe.
Filed by, Jim J , 'Nelson fior Wyndham Hotel Company . ,
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Mrs . `Badger noted the Land Use Committee Report (which is a part of the
ofif,i'cial 'm"'rnu,t`es and attadhed 'ta the Master :Copy ) : '
Mr . 0' Neal questioned if an'y','f-hing has been done about the fiire
depa:rtments con�ern wi'th accessibility . �
Mr . Ne;lson stated ,that they have revised t'heir Pl'an to provide fior the
abi;lity ofi 'the fire' truek. �to enter and that plan has heen presented to
the Fire, Chief and ,he has, approved the plan .
Mrs : Badger requested paper' b'a`1Tots .
Mrs. Badger ,mo,v„ed to appr;ove Docket No. 31-B9 DPJADLS as submitted .
Mr. 0' Neal seconded . '
Mr. :Davis noted staff recommendations. �
Mr, Eoone questioned why i's it necessary to crank this site down to such
a small dimension where there 'is "such aggressive coverage with regard to
this .whole thing . You have 6"0% of the land being covered with biailding .
That i's a heavy concentration for something out in fhe suburbs.
Mr , Nelson s:tated i<t is 's'impl.y 'a matter of' what Ehe amount ort the land
the hotel company ,is wan,ted fo buy from the parent. eompany . This hotel
is a part b,f a 69 acre devel'opment .
' Mr , Story questioned the number ofi parking spaces . Have you given any
] egal assuran'ce 3tha':t hotel ' guesf may park in the ofifiice building parking
1ot , regardless who ow�s t'he building? -
Mr . Nelson stated; fhat we ,have agreed with the local Trammel-Crowe and
Hote.l rompany to ,make, additiona.l l,and availab'le to allow for the
additiona1 �32' park�i�ng spaces. The �pet�i�tiqner �has provi�ded the land bank
until • the tiine 'deemed: necessary that fhe City o# Carmel requested this .
Mr . Byers stated bh'at Mr. IVelson coald produce some fiorm o,f written
" rommi'tinent 'and we could place i:t rn some recorda'ble fiashion and I can
send Eo the de,partment .
� I7r .Ne1"son s:tated that, he wou-ld comm'it t'ha':t he° would recommend to the
Board of Zoriing Appeals that ,i's they see 'fi?t to grant this variance that
it would be gnanted contin;gent' uPon .fhe par:king being installed at su�h
time as requested by the dep`artment and then wil:l prepare a written form
for the necords .
Mr . Byers' sta:ted the BZfl tan granf -this variance with condi,tions I
attached and that poinE of 'ti`me we° ean� make .�one of 'Ehe conditions this
— condition that y,,our concern i�s and befiore any `impFo"vement location
' permits woul`d' ,be issued 'we wou�l•d; attach fHis' 'condition to the variance
so if the varian¢e was gran'ted� there' would also� be =€he written condition .
of the varianre that would have ,€o tie 'in necordable: fashion and provided '
befiore the st'affi or the Depar, tment of .Communi{ty DeVelopment will issue
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an impr.ovement location permit . We would have it on cecor,d'., �
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fMrs. Stevenson question,"ed the entrance ;of the_ fire truck into the area? �
Mr . Chris Whi,te, have adjusted the site. plan according t❑ the Fire "-"+
Department. There will be a paved area.
A paper balLot was taken.
Vote was ap'proved 12 1.. Mr ,• Moore "vot'i'ng against.
Sh. Commission' to consider poc:k;et No. 32-89 DP/ADLS, a� DeVelopment
B1an and Architectural, Design Light-ing and Sigriage App� ication
fior Meridian. 465 Associatrion Lfd : Site is lo�ated 1/4 mile`
west ofi Meridiam Stre,et just north of I-465 and consists of-
10.4 acres,. Sita is; zoned B-1 . Pe.titioner seeks a'p'proval to
�onstruct a 7 story ofifice building with 168;000 square feet
ofi 1=easable space. �
Fi'led by Jim J . Ne3son for Merid'ian 465 Associ�ates;.
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Mrs . Badger read the Land Use Comini'#tee Re ort (which 'is a �
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official minutes and attached to fhe Master 'Copy') . '
Mrs . Badger moveci to approve Docket No;. 32-89 DP/ADLS as pr;esented .
Mrs. McMullen seconded . +
Mr. S
tory stated that after rea_ding, the; minutes the minu:Yes 'do not' �
accurately r,efilec`t fiact in that the chair lady sta;ted that the :height is
not a cons'ideration . There is a big differenre ,between the word� shall
and may . We also have the privilege to reje;cting this project based on
ofher criteria . Sased on the original rezoning i.t is .my conten"tion at
that time the fact`or was fixed in the mind of those tha;t voted in favor
of 'the project. I feel the sense ofi proport•ion is important �enough to
consider. We don ' t have to pass this just because the ordinance does
provide for a setback . It i's not mandatory t'hat this be passed .
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Mrs. Badger stafed "that at the committee meeting she stated -that in my
, opirni-on we co'u',ld not vote against this solely and only on the hei'ght
issue. ,
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Mr. Hy,ers stated with respect to heigFit it is clear cut that fhe overlay
ordinance in US 31 , it says maximum building height', as specified in
, , underl;ying zoning . B-1 imposes certain height req'uirements � that height
requirement i� H-1 may be lengthen if additional fioota:ge is picked, up
and set ba�k,. It also residential houses. Residential .is 25 fieet and
may be, :increased fo: 35 ft. . If a8ditional setbaak or is acquired .by the
petitioner wi'th respect to his development plan and he may go fo a
_ , hei,ght of 100 ft . . Without any written commitments or anythi'ng el;se
removing that the peti.tioner has the� opporfunity to: place "stru�tures in
B,.,1 zone up to lO0 ft. Mr . By.ers reierred to Mr. Ted John'son 's ;1eE,ter.
Keep an ordinan�e ''woul,d 6e construed ,against us as ,we try to a`pply it to
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property owners. Dur ordinance� has, :fo, be. clear and the bigui'ties would ' —
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be construed agains#. us. Ifi they mee:t Ehe sefbatk the structure may go .
to a 100 feet�
Mr. CunningEiam stated that the staff quest"ions the 22' height to encl'ose
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_ m'e;chanical' .equipment.
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' Mrs., ;Stevenson quest-ioned fire equipmen,t beirng abLe to get' to the rear
� ` ❑r south .side o;fi •buil•di:n;g. '
Mr. r NeLson ,s';fated� they have a lett'er from Chief Couts, the fire
department `lias approVed t'he plan .
Mrs. 'Badger-' stated �thaf in regards to commifinen,ts , who will be
responsible f,or the fiili"ng in"HamiLton County? �
Mr . Nelson stated that #he, commi:tment to 1•imit the balance ofi the
deve'I.opmenf to '4 stpries has been execuied 6y Mr. Brownin9 , Mr . Neison
wil,l recor,d ,i,t� wifh the Hamilfon Counfy Recorders, offiice when necessary .
- Mr . -S:tory. moJed that this mo,tion be amended to read : that no oecupancy
may be granted un,t.il . t"he: s.ignal , stop light and improvements at 103rd
and Meridian be, completed . `
No secand:,�, motion: d'ies.
Mr. Rembusch stated tha',t there was some .su6stantia'1 discussion at the
commibtee level a6out ffde Indiana State H,ighway improvement program that
invo`lves ,a con,tra�# agreement signed 6y rtive properfy owners' in the
vicinity .of the Meridi'an Corritlor and signed :by the Indiana Department
of Highways. The aqreement calls for �433„Oq0 in �ash contributions
from individual property owners and con'tri6utions of land , the state has
indicated that a value of $200,,000 with a tof'al of $633,000. Copies of
thi,s agreement wer•e distributed t❑ th"is committee and m'ade available to
stafif . The agreement contains an exhibit which sets fiorth the
.— construction the s;tate has o6ligated itself to do.
Paper Ballots were' su6mitted:. There wi11 be a tcaffic signal installed
at Meridian ,and 103rd Street!. It also involves the widening ofi Meridian
Stree.t by orie land in either direction .
There was fiurthec d.iscussion on this matter .
Mr . S,tory; ',Mr-. D"Nea'1 , Mrs. Stevenson, Mr. Moore , Mr. Klar voted
against..
Approved 8=5.
bh. Gommission to consider pocket iVo. 33-89 DP/ADLS, a Development
fornDukemallhAfectural Design Lighting and. Signage Applica-tion'
ssociates , a Limited Partnership. Site is
loca,ted North; 'antl Sou,th of i^26th Street .]'!ust east ofi Meridian
�St-reet.; Site cons`isfs ofi 9,_417 acres and is zoned B-2,
' Pe.titiorier seeks the approval to consfr.uct a 4 story offiice
bui"lding with P00,,000 sq fit..,',of leasable area.
Filed by Philip ;NiceLy for Du"'kemil7 Associate;s, a Limited
- Partnership.
Mrs. Hadger noted the Land Use Commif`tee report (.which is a part of the
official minutes and attached �to the Master `Gopy ) . [
— Mrs. Lamb ,questioned staffi recommendafi'ons• r.ega'r-ding the intersection of �
126th ahd Meridian ,wi�th State Highway.
Mr. ,Mark Disney stated tfiat he had met with the State Highway twice and
there is a proposed transportat-ion easemen:t vihich is 7S' north of the
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right-ofi-way and 7S' south ofi the right-of,-way . The issue �is. whether �
'� these pond5'i's''.within the boundaries ofi the proposed ,easemenf: We are i
working wi't'h the state right now whefher to leave the ponds exa[tl'y �
where they are for now .an'p at a later date ifi and wh'en the J
transportation improvemenfs come in , fil,l that area o.f the ponds and
excavate another- area someplace to replace that vo•lume or if we would
° redesign them sQightl.y to get therti out of' the way r"igh;t n'ow. It is
� being revi=ewed by the state righ';t, and agree with us that this can be
worked out prior to the issuance ofi� a building permit.
The petitioner has agreed fo make .fhis ;agreement with the state highway
ovec this right:-o.fi-way issue 6y the ponds, a requirement before the
issuance. of a bu3lding permit.
Mrs,. Bad'ger has requested a commifinent regarding the signal!i;zation at
the intersection . Petitioner has responded with document i�n hand .
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Mr . Wes Bucher s$ated that he had spokeq to the State Highway about this
particular probTem, they ind-icated that the future transportation
easement was, put in there again af the .time whe.re ,126th .was� being
considered rfor an overpass orito 31 as one o:i the main .aceess points ofi
that area. They indi�ated that they, had no probLem wi'th thi�s� pLan as
su6mitted by �Duke. 7hey �ould not .give us anything in writ�in,g antil it
had been a'pproved 'by the State Highway. �
Mrs. McMullen moved to approve Docket No. 33-89 DB/ADLS as lubmitted.
Mrs . Bad_ger seconded . i . �
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7h. Commis5ion to consider pocket No. 34-89 P.P. , a Preliminary
P1at Application ior North American Par, k . The: pla't consists
ofi 3 l,ots on 6 . 449 acres of land located on the west side of
Michigan Rd-: j�ust north of �98�th Street . Petitioner seeks
approval to subdivide pcoperty for commercial development .
Site is zoned B-2 and I-1 .
Filed by Jim J . Nelson f.or Ten One Eleven , Indiana General
Partners.
Mr. Potasnik read the Subdivision Committee report (which. is a part of
the offi�ia'1 minutes and attached to the MaSter Copy) .
Mr . Potasnik moved" to approve Do�ket No. 34-89 as submitted .
Dr . Long seconded .
Mr. Potasnik questioned on page 8 ofi the �oven'an.ts under terms ofi
restrictions . It, is indicated here that the restrictions tontained in
this decl'aration shall remain in effect until 2601 . What guaran'tees
afiter this time that the private streets will 6e maintained?
Mr . Nelson s,tafed the �ovenants should be amended to provide tha-t with
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respect to tkie mai•ntenan�e of the street that tha# does ,not : ferminate,.
. Findings o-f� fact Gompleted by a1-1 board members.
Approved 13-0.
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� 1'i . Gommi'ssi;on to consider DOCKET N0..41-89 ADLS (Amend ) , an
Archite�tiura,l Design, Signage and L�ighting Applieation fior
Block'buster Video. Pe.tibioner `see;ks approval for a new sign
to replace existing ones. on site.. S3te is located at 536 E .
Carmel Drive and is ;zoned H-B. Petition'ec will be appear'ing
befiore fhe Carmel /Glay Board of Zoning AppeaTs on June 26 ,
1:989; fior variances.
Fi;led' by Tim Stevens for Luigi Salvaneschi , Presiden,t and
Ghi'ef Operating, Exe"cufive of B1o�kbuste'r Video.
Mr : ;Doug, �Floyd, Y987 S.. 9-th, ,made presentat3!on � a copy which is on file
at. the' Carme:l Depar�tmen# ;ofi Commarnity Development.
Pau•1 Huskey , ,St . Louis. Blo�k'buster Video.
Photographs 'were passed out to all board members.
Mr . $;to'ry ,ques,tioned the siaes ofi the letters?
Mr. F1'oyd stated that they woulcl be 40 sq , fit . or 60 sq . ft. .
Mrs. Badger questioned what variances have been applied for from the
BZA? Have yo❑ a'pplied fior a 'variance regarding color restrictions?
_ Mr.. Floyd stated they have applied for variances to exceed the maximum
requ'iremen# fior the sbuth elevation ofi the building from 30' to 45
sq . ft ... The petitione,r has not applied fior a variance regarding color
restrictions.
Mr . Brandau' sta�ted that the petitions on fiile fior the Board ofi Zoning '
Appeals does ,request a 65 sq . ft . sign on the south elevation and on the
west e:leva;tion,. Discussed with, the petitioner represerttative, Mr.
Stevens that the ehance of gefting a sign that size might be slim and
tha,t bhe sou;th el`evation sign be brought down to a 40-45 sq.. ft, sign
and also a .va:r, iance for the west elevation ior the same size ofi sign .
Mr. Boone sfated you' are representing Block6iaster Video. Are the r.est ofi
, the ternants aware that if we thang'e this sign package that it would 6e
necessary fior them to ctiange. their signs�
Mr. Floyd re.ad a letter fi.rom the. owner, Tom Bar.nes, stating that. he will
encou,rage the other tenants to ahange the s�igns to be the same as Marsh.
Mr. Boone stafed that these signs ;shoul.d have eonformity . Are the rest
of the tenants aware tha:t they must chamge thei`r. signs? These 6uilding
are separate. �
� Mr . Floyd st`afed that he did nof know wFie,ther the other tenants were I
aware they their s;igns may need; fo 6e changes;. �
Shis will be sent, to Industrial & Commerci'al 'Commi-ttee� on July il , 1989
at 7: 30 P. M. at 'fhe Ci'ty Meetirig Hall .,
23.. Eommi'ssion to consider pocket No. 43-89 ADLS, an Architectural
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feettruSitenis�located1at1995E.WCarmePProval for the f
e"velopment Corp. Petitioner seeks a
total oi 14� 520 square _�
1 Drive (j,ust east of the
Ponderosa on Carme]. Drive); and is zoned B-B.
Filed by Wi.11iam Ru,sk f.or Eaton Lauth D.evelopment Corp.
THIS ITEC1 HAS BEEN TABLED. BY PETITONER ,FOR ONE MONTH.
3i . Commission to consider pocke,t No. 44'-89 ADLS (Amend ) , an
Architectural Design,, Si`gnage and L'igtiting 'Epplication to
amend Docket No. 99-87 'P.P. for Crossfield`s, Subdivision .
During the pl,atting process ,petitioner d'id not submit a sign
package for review and app.roval . Therefore, petitioner seeks
approv,al for :the subdivisi'ori signage. Site is located at the
nocthwest corner ofi T16th and Towne Road . Site is zoned S-1 .
Filed by Hob Skinner fior Crossfields Development Limited
Partnership.
Mr . Bob Skinner , 8900 Keystone Crossing , Suite 657 , 'I'ndi•anapolis, IN
46240, made a presentation , a copy which is on file at the 'CarmeS
Departmen,t ofi Community Devel',opment . "
Staffi recommendations have met the ordinance .
Mr . Boone questioned if the lights will be set in concrete� ' '
Mr. Skinner committed that, he would put them in con'crete.
Mrs. McMul,len moved to suspen'd the rules and act on this tonight .
Mr . 0' Nea1 .
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Mrs. M�Mullen moved to approve 'Docket No-_ 44-B9 ADLS as presented .
Mr. 0 'Neal seconded .
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4i Commission to consider the following ordinance -amendments tb
the Carmel /Clay Zbning Ordinance Z-160 as amended to the
followin.g proposals :
1 . Outside storage and display �
2. Above-ground pools and automatic poo'1 covers. '
Mr . Boone requested that, this be tabled fior 30 days,. '
Outside Pool,s, - A proposed o:rdimance change regarding Swimming Pools.
were passed out to all board members (which is a part o,f the official
minntes and attached, to; the Master Copy ) , Mrs. Badger stated that this
, is in Sts final form. Would like to instruct our at'torney to publisFi
fior a public hearing . The -
State of In,di'ana is redoing the"re. state requirements for pool coverings.
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Wes Bucher , ;DOCD stated concerns of removing the fence:. The !staif feels
, that thi's wou'ld be: a• measure to look at ,in regards to safety. Thzre are
� ,a couple of �probl'gms to be outlined : One i's t'he ii`na`i wording on above
ground hot• fubs. We would question the ;l,andscapiqg reguirements and
enforcemen,f of landscaping 6eing watched. year afiter year., the
enforcement of this whebher it is our staff ' s; j.ob to enter fhe backyards
to see t'hat this is done,. Would like fo request commi.t'tee to look at 3'
firom easement we would like some type ofi language in ordinan'ce that
wouLd be in"conjunction 'with code. We do question the ac£'ua1 prohibition
ahove; 'ground pools throughout the community , this would go fior` the whole
townsfiip. We do have some problems with the ordinance the way it is
wri:tten:, but, the' �ommission should be aware ofi this.
M'r. Davis stated t'hat the oci'gi�a`1 intent coming from the Board ofi
Zoniqg ,App.eals was allowing the pool cover in lieu of the fence.
There; was fur. ther distussion regarding the swimming pool proposed
ordinance.
This was sent back to Land Use Committee. �
Mr: Byers stated the pools are an accessory structure and it says in •
, add'it-ion to be allowed such as a: tennis court � etc. we re9ulate
p'l.acement and we require a fience for health, sa.iety and welfare. My
interest would be to see what the state requiremen,t comes up with if
that might solve some of your prob:lems-. We have to have a rational
basis to preclude abov"e ground poo-ls . I do agree with some ofi the
_ statemenEs , jus.f to fence them, say above ground: pools have to have a
ience. I don ' t know that 'you can specifical`ly excl'ude above ground pools
under health, safety and wel-Fare grounds wfthout• more fiacts then we
have. I don ' t know 3f if would stand up. Agai;n , a 1,awyer :is overly
cautious , it is a l;iability concern that we have and t'he regulation is
there for' an o6vious reasqn and wh'en we j,ump out and be aggr2ssive in
zoning � I just urge you ,fo be cautious . I feei you shomQd qet a
defiinition from: the state �to at least see what the state minimums are
and meet that minimum,. Abov,e ground hot tubs you can tighten defiinition
as ground lev,el , to say ho"t tubs have to have a .sodid visual fence or
screen , abbve g'round pools have to have a existing 6' fience to comply
with the ordinance;;; iT' you ,6uild a lev.el pool put a poo'1 cover on aod 6e
in compliance with evenything the state outlines.
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Outside storage and illuminafed sign .
Mr.Wes Bucher stated that he has gome through the Oseo and Kosense file ,
Yhere is no indieation in t'he: publi-c re�ord that they had made a
commitment not to do outside s`torag:e, At the� time that that projeet was
brought in by Tate Developments, sin.ce has been soLd to Kosene. They
lease there tenant space out , Osco' s being qiie of those tenants. We did '
have a mee.ting with Mr. Byers aiod Mr : A'nd "rews and d'td discuss covenants
and commiEments. Commitmente £ha;t4have been given to either the TAC or
Plan Cbmmissibn or staff should be ;recorded or in, writing 'and then �
should be ce.corded according to st'ate st'atues':. Covenants are those i
—� agreement `between_ landowners and 'tenanEs of ffie building.. Enforcement
can, be made .i-f yoa, can prove ( in thi`s case) that :Kyte would have made :a
commiEment fior' no 'outside storage and passed tha.t on in writing to
Kosene and passed onto Osco. I 'cannot enfiorce that ag'ainst Osco or
Kosene unLess that l;ega:l trail ofi st'atue is, ther,e: I`t means we may have
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been doing things wrong in commitments. We are getting and trying .to �
get �ommitmen,ts�-in writing , in recordable fashion . Those`' commi:tmEnts j
run that way with ,the land are enfbrceable'. " According to the statue we {
now have in the state, thaf is the tlirection we would like to hake from --�
here on out. I have no answer for you tonight regar,ding Kpsene and
Osco. I will cont'inue to re,search this . I would like a written
documentati'on .
Covenan',ts and commifinents were discussed at grea# len,gth.
Mr. Bucher s;tated that it had been brought up in regards tolwhy t'he
stafif has no;t enfio,rced the sign ordinance. Some of the signlordinanres
in this town are very complicated . If I start out issuing ei:tations,
there are only abou.t 5 businesses in this fown that: actual are within
the actual sign ordinante. We will deal with it when it has been
brought to our citation . �
There was further dis�ussion regarding the en{orcement of the sign
ordinances.
The meeting was adjourned at 11 : 11
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President Secretary
TNDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL COMh1ITTEE
of tfie
Carmel/Clay Plan Commission
August 2, 1988
Comioiftee Members Present: Acting Chairman, Ted Johnson; Setty Stevenson
Staff PresenEi Rick Brandau
Project:� 78-88 ADLS Meridfan MorteaQe
Petitioner Present: Robext Myers
- Mr. Myers presenGed the sign proposed and staEed that the sign is
34 JS square feet• and that 35 sp. ft was allowable.
- The exisGing .sign is address only.
- �etty clarified thab this would be the only sign on thi's building.
Mr. Myers con£irmed fhat.
Betty Stevenson moved to recommend approval as presented.
Seconded by Ted Jolinson.
Motion carrie.d 2-0.
Pro �ecC: 70-88 ADLS True Value Hardware
Petitibner Present: Mr. llaggeeman
- Petitioner requested to table this project.
- Staff pointed out that we do not want this to hearing out ,and suggested
thet at the next committee meeting that this item be l�eard or withdrawn.
If the item were withdrawn, Ghat would result in any new submittal to
stnrt from the beginning <including new filing fees.
IIet[y Stevenson moved to table with the condition and understanding that
at Ehat meeting this item-'be heard or removed from tfie docket.
Se'c'onded by Ted Johnson. ,
Motion carried 2-0 to table.
Pro;ect: 85-88_ADLS .Re, Max
Petitioner Present: Kevin Miller
- Mr. Miller presented the proposed sign, and s:tated that the IIoard of Zoning
Appeals has already approved this sign and locat-ion.
- Ted Johnson pointed out that since, the BZA has already acted and approved
tMs sign that this need not be heard' by this committee, nor by the full
Plan Commission.
Therefore, this committee's xeport'Jiecommendation is as follows:
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approval and a precedence has been set that the bZA has approved this
siqn, and P1?n Commission .a,pproval is not required. 'Therefore, Committee ,
feels that this pro;jec� does not need to come before the fvll Plan Commission.
I F. C Commlttee
8/2/88.
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Proiect: Wendv's Intornational Tnc
Request guidance �n a proposal to paint the entire building.
Staff slioweil committeecthe proposed colors. The ezisting building is brick
and this, prvposal is to paint the br:ick; parapet roof, and trim the `6uilding
in red.
The committee members felt Chnt the painting of this type of brick facia would
be a mistake and woul.d rather Wendy's find another niternative to tirighten � -
Up the store.
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Wesley G.Bucher
DIR[CI'qi-'OFPf. OF ODMMUNRY DEVFIOPMFM
Dorothy J. Hancock
MAYOR
February 27, 1989
Tonc Garcia
h286 Business Center Way
Cincinnati, Ohio 45246
RE: Wendy's Addition
Dear Mr. Garcia:
The following items will r.eed to be a3dressed prior to the issuance of a
� docket num er for the Plan Commission Agenda:
�'1'�� ✓�Any additional landscaping. /b�- PnD� �. �_p
� tf/Location of additional mechanical equipment. �^- �1Da C�"�`"�
d� Are all additional materials to match existing structure�
Add proposed coIors to elevations - write in. �
o An overall site plan. will need to be submitted showing
parking plan - il required vs. ll shown
lighting plan - statement on any additional propused.
Filing fee of 10$ 0.00 :.ill need to be submitted.
T_o be assured of a spot on the March 21, 1989 Plan Cemmission meeting, the
above items should be submitted bv no latei than' March 7, 1989.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me at 844-6433.
S;acereTv,
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David D. Cunni gfi ham
Assistant Director
DDC/ck
P.S. You may pick up ?�our colored uo display '- vou will need to bring it
tor the Plau Commission meeting.
401�STMAIN�S7RfiGT CARMGIS,INDIANA46032 31)/A44-6433
', . The regular meeting of the Carmel Plannirig Commission was brought 83 I
`` fo order by Jeff Davis, President, at 7 :36_ P.M. at the Gity Meeting
Hall, on May 16•, 1989. The meeting opened with the Pledge of
Allegiance..
' The roll was called. and members present were as follows : Jeff
` Daviss, President, Sue MeMullen, Ila Badger', • Henrietta Lamb, Jim '
0'Neal, Sandra Long, Hetty Stevenson, Vaughn Story�, Richard Klar,
Bob Hoone, Max Moore, Frank Fleming and A1an. Potasnik.
Staff inembers present were : Rick Hrandau, Dave Cunningham, Terry
Jones, Gordon Byers and Dorthy Neisler.
The following corrections to the April 18, 1989 minutes are as
follows : -
Page 7, Paragraph 2 should read: Mr. Vaughn Story questioned
if this will be a connection with Carmel St . Vincent' s and
Indianapolis St. Vincent' s hospital in the use of the unit at both
hospitals7 '
Also under pocket, No. 29-89 ADLS the Administrator to St . Vincent ' s �
Hospital should be spelled: Mr. Mike Chittenden. �
Mr. Jim 0'Neal moved to approve the minutes f-rom the April 18, 1989
meeting as amended. � �
Mr. Klar seconded
Motion was approved.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
lg. 7 : 30 P,M. , Pub11c Hearing on Docket No. 18-89 P.P. , a ,
— Preliminary Plat appTication for Lynnwood Farm Phase One .
The plat corisists of 197 lots on 98 .2 acres of land �
located. one mile east of Gray Rd. on 131st St. and site �
is zoned S-1. Tlie petitioner is requesting subdivision
variances from fhe following sections : �
6 . 3 . 6 City streets to be 30 ft. in width as
measured from back to back curb. �
6 . 3 . 3 Certain proposed streets shall be extended
to the boundary Tine of tract to be
subdiyided to proyide access to adjacent
undeveloped tracts of ground.
' 6 . 3 . 20 No private ' streets platted in any
residentiaT subdivision, . '
On October 24, 1989, the Carmel/Clay Hoard of 2oning �
Appeals granted variances from Sec£ions 26 . 2. 2 in regards �
to minimum lot width, and minimum lot sizes for the
proposed. area,
Filed by Richard Rembusch for Lynnwood Farm Associates,
Ltd. �
Mr. Vaughn Story moved to table Docket No. 18-89 P.P.
Mrs . Badger seconded.
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Approved 13-0 .
ITEM HAS BEEN TAHLED UNTIL NEXT MONTHS MEETING.
2g. 7 : 30 P.M. Public Hearing on Docket No. 22-69v P.P.
Preliminary Plat application for Kensington Place. Th"e �
plat .consists of 22 Tots on 3 . 7 acres of land located on
the south ' side` of Smokey Row Rd. just east of Old'
Meridian. Petitioner seeks approval to subdivide the
existing condominium project. Petitioner appeared before
the Carmel/Clay Board of Zoning Appeals on April 24, 1989
to front yard_ setback, side yard setback, side yard
aggregate, and 1ot coverage, and from Section 23 . 01 . 9
requiring a minimum of 5 acres for development in the
U:S:31 Overlay Zone. � Parcel is zoned R-4.
Filed by Steve Harlow for Kensington Development,.
The public hearing was opened at 7 : 40 P.M.
Mr. Steve Harlow,Attorney, 4609 Sommerset Way South, Carmel, made
the presentation, a copy which is on file at the Carmel Department
of Community Development.
Mr. ICen Sebree, President of the Kensington Development
Organization.
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There were no comments .from the public. ��
The public hearing was closed at 7 : 45 P.M.
Mr. Boone stated that if a person wanted to build something that
was in direct contradiction with our total .ordinance the most I
appropriate way would be to come in and ask for a condomiriium
development on that project arid then come back and ask for all
these changes. The project had. to have� been presented as single
family housing where you would have had legal descriptions for each
unit. It would never have been approved. What part of the
ordinance does it really fit7
Mr. Steve Harlow stated that they would had to have gotten
variances for the zero lot line' development. The original
petitioners' are no longer with the project, we had nothing to do
with the original petition. This would not be considered precedent
for the future.
Mr. Story questioned out of the 22 units you are petitioning for
how many units are bui'lt. If you put 22 units on that in
"condominium form" you are' talking about 1. 7 acres per unit. Have
you thought about cutting the number of units in your petition?
Mr. Harlow stated there are 5 units built. Cutting the number of
units was not part of the plan, '
Mrs. Stevenson questioned fiow many units in. each building? Have
any of those units been solcl? What is the finance problem? What
will the original owner?
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, � Mr. Harlow stated that the 5 unita completed are in one building. ��S
' Three of them have been sold. When they purcHased them they were �
purckiased und_er the horizontal property. The property has been , ,
,� , recorded with the county recorder.
: I Mr. Harlow etated that the mortgage financing industry with respect
- to priyate homes, the lender in the first instances makes the loan
j with a view towards selling,, the purchasers for •the loans in the
j secondary markets are telling these lenders that they prefer to
� have single family residences on platted �subdivisions rather than
d condominium projects. I think one of the reasons is that the
� secondary markeE feels if 'the loan goes in default it is more
. difficulf to deal with ,tlian a aingle family home . A condominium
project has a lot of rules and regulations with respect to ita
! operations. That sometime gets in the way of the resale of a home.
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, Mrs. Stevenson questioned what the owner would actually own?
. Mr. Harlow siated they would own the lot the unit sits on plus the
' ' lawn.
Mr.Gordon. Byers stated Yt is just going to be subdivision, there
; is not going to be any PUD involved. It is going from horizontal
property act to a meets and bounds description to point A four •
square.
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, This project was referred to the Subdivision Committee, on June 6,
1989 at 7 : 30 P.M. in the City Meeting Hall.
3g. 7 : 30 P.M. , Publlc Hearing .on Docket, No. 30-89 Z, a Rezone
.I — Application for One Eleven Associates . Site is located
� on the south side of illth Street directly east of Delta
`� Faucet. Site consists of 9 . 456 acres and is currently
I zoned B-7 (Business) : Petit3oner wishes to rezone to B-
� 6 (Business) .
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Filed by Jim J.. Nelson for One Eleven Aasociates.
' Tiie public hearing opened at 7 : 55 P.M. �
; Mr. Jim Nelson, 3663 Brumley Way, Carmel representing PIA, Inc.
made the presentation, a copy which is on file at the Carmel
I Department of Community Development,
; . Ms. Heth DeLucenay, V.P. of Development of PIA, Inc. , Dr. Gregg
. Allen, Paychiatrist were preaent.
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; An aerial view, a site deveTopme_nt plan, a landscape plan, a
, lighting plan, a lighting plan and, an archifectural rendering was
ahown.
, A traffic study was distributed to the boaid membera .
' • Ms. Debbie Winchester, 529 Vista Drive, spoke in favor of the PIA,
86 - 4 � z.
Inc. . She had visited the PIA, Inc. in Jeffersonville and found
it would be a beneficial. She feels that it would be a good buffer
between the Meridian_ Corridor and the three story office buildings
built along ttie Corridor. A concern of hers was outpatient
treatment and we have been told there would be none.
Ms. Patty 'Dick, 10810 N. bentral, Secretary. of the • Greater Home
Place Neighbor Association spoke in favor of this project . The
hospital will have low if any impact on the traffic in our area.
Requesf approval of this project. '
A letter was received from Mr. Charles A. Dowd, Jr. , and was read
into the minutes of the meeting speaking in favor of this project.
(attached) .
Ms. Cynthia Eaton, Greater Home Elace Association, iT099 N.
Broadway, spoke in opposition of the project. There wiTl be a
greater impact of traffic, safety of small children, problems with
drugs and teenagers. Don't feel, they will get cooperation -from the
Sheriffs department. Do not want a precedent set in our area for
hospitals . (Signatures attached) .
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Mr. Jim Smith, resident and homeowner and member of the Greater
Home Place Association. Ae stated that this is a self committal
facility. Our off'ice is located :downfown and we do have straggLeis
from the hospital enter to the buiTdings from time to time. Spoke
in opposition to this project . Park area, is used at all hours by
teenagers . We are concerned if we ever have a problem wifh.
' security? How will this effect the resale of your property?
Ms . Betty Cfiilders, 11032 College,, spoke in oppositi'on. The
realtors feels that this project� will harm the resale of our
property. The playground is a great concern as well as the traffic
problem.
Public hearing closed at, 8 : 29 P.M.
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Mr. Potasnik questioned if there are any plans -for sidewalks!;�
internaT or external?
Mr. Jim Nelson stated that he was not sure if it had been
mentioned. We do not oppose to � the sidewalks and we will
incorporate them into our plans .
Mr. Potasnik questioned if there is a pioposal to fence this
facilitg in?
Mr. Jim Nelson. stated that the recreational facility will be fenced
in. The facility is well secured.
Mrs. McMullen questioned what are the covenants and do we receive
a copy? is Browning Investments retaining ownership of the land?
Mr. Nelson stated there is a copy on file wiEh the Carmel
Department of Community Development. This is our development pT'an.
The property is being purchased by PIA, Inc.
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' Mr. K3ar questioned what types of visitors, length of viaits, and
the amount of° visitors the hospital migkit have;, with question to
£raffic and also tkie length of the patients stay.
Mr. Nelson stated that a traffic report was handed out to all board
members .
�_ Mr. Klausmeier rev3ewed the traffic study report briefly. There
will be . 150 peo��le working at hospital in three different shifts .
The biggest shift would be during the day when 100 people would be
working. The average .length of stay for patients would be 27 days
with "tliree or four dismissals a day, Giving us a total of 630
trips a day going ip and out of the hospital. with 320 trips in and
320 trips out. This will generate less traffic then Delta Faucet.
Mr. Boone questioned will there be a purposable attempt to
landscape the fenced area?
Mr. Nelson stated tha£ landscape is provided. and there will be
mounds . There will be PVC wrapped chain link fence, 8 ' tall .
Dr.Sandra Long questioned where the trash area is?
Mr. Nelson pointed out the trash area and that �it will be totally
enclosed.
Mrs. Badger requested a• sample of the chain link fence for the
subcommittee meeting.
Referred to Land Use Committee on June 6, 1989, at 7 : 30 P.M. ,' at
the City Meeting Hall.
4g. 7 : 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 31-89 DP/ADLS,
— a Development Plan and Architectural Design, Lighting and ,
Signage Application for Wyndham Hotel Company. Site is �
located 1/4 mile west of College Ave. just north of I- ;
465.. Site is 'zoned B-6 and' consists of 3 . 7.2 acres .
Petitioner wishes approval to construct a 99,385 square
, foot hotel consisting of 172. rooms plus meeting rooms and •
cafe. �
Filed by Jim J. Nelson for Wyndham Hotel Company.
The public hearing was opened at 8 : 44 P.M.
Mr. Jim Nelson, 9663 Brumley,' Wag, Carmel made the presentation, a �
copy which is on file at the Carmel Department of Community
Development, ;
Mr. ' Chrie White, of Paul I . Cripe, :Inc. , Sam Gillespie, Local
Partner from Trammel Crowe, Chuck Litz from Trammel Crowe Hotel
Company, the project manager were present.
The aite development �plan, master deveTopment plan, architectural
rendering and signage plans and ligliting plans were shown. The
signage ie actually on the architeqtural rendering.
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A report was distributed to all board members . •
There were no comments from the publlc. ,
The public hearing was closed at 8 : 50 P.M.
Mr. Boone questioned how many parking spaces are there? �
Mr. Nelson stated that we are at approximately 198 and we .are short
36.
Mr. .Boone stated that with all the land available there is only b0$
coverage which seems to be a little . tight. Feels 'that you need
more space for parking.
Mr. Nelson stated that we are short 36 parking spaces .
Mrs . Badger questioned staff if this is going to require a variance
for parking w2Sy is it not listed in the agenda item? .
Mr. Cunningham due to the restrictYon of the cafe and restaurant
we figured the new way and they ,figured it the old way. It was
determined. after the agenda was put together. .
Mrs. Hadger questioned the multi colored bands? Are you proposing
any archstectural exterior lighting?
Mr. Chuck Litz, stated they will use accent colors to accent ttie
building. The architectural exterior lighting is shown in ttie
booklet.
Mrs .Betty Stevenson questioned. the 198 spaces, 172 guest rooms, no
parking spaces for visiting and only 16 spaces for staff .
Mr. Nelson stated that we are aware we are short. This hotel is f
a part of a development, it is part of the central ,plaza which will I
contain two 6 story office buildings . It is our feeling and
experience that adequate parking wi31 exist for the hotel, the
office parking will be used as hotel parking also.
Mr. Litz stated that they had done a study on shared parking, i;t
takes adjacent uses 'of office buildings parking and takes adjacent
uses and, effect works out the parking demand on a particular site
for all the uses over an 18 hour day. Trying to limit the amount
of asphalt on the site.
Mr. Story questioned where is this adjacent parking space?
Mr.Chuck Litz pointed out the ad�acenf parking.
Mr. Potasnik questioned is the facade of the building facing 465
will be the same materials as the other three sides.
Mr. Nelson stated yes it would.
Dr. Long questioned the exact colors of the cornice area?
A chart was displayed for the board members to see.
Mrs. McMullen requested that Mr. Nelson point out the type of
lighting and show where it is located.
Mr. Nelson pointed out the type of lighting and the location. `
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� � Mr. Potasnik questioned how high will the lights be7
Mr. Litz stated that the lighting will thin out at the 20 ' line.
The staff recommeridations were noted.
�. Thie will be zeferred to bhe Land Use and Industrial and Commercial
Committee on June 6, 1989 at 7 : 30 P.M. at the City MeetYng Hall.
5g. 7 : 30' P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 32-89 DP/ADLS,
a Development Plan and Architectural Design Lighting and
Signage Application for Meridian 465 Association Ltd.
Site 1�s loc,ated 1�4 mile weat of Meridian Street just '
north of I-465: and consists of 10.4 acres . Site is zoned
H-1. Petitioners seeks approval to construct a 7 story
office building with 168, 000 square feet of leasable
� , space.
Fiied by Jim J. Nelson for Meridian 465 Associates, Ltd.
The public hearing was opened at 9 : 10 P.M.
Mr. ,71m NeLson, 3663 Hruinley Way, Garmel made; the presentation, a
copy which is on .file at the Carmel Depa"rtment of Community
Development. .
Mr.Kevin Miller, Browning Investments, Inc. was present. �
An serial view, site development plan, architectural rendering
front and back were shown.
— Ms . Judy Hagany 10946 Springmill Lane, spoke in opposition of this
project"because the B-1 Zone has a height limit of 45 feet, and the
addstional volume of traf#ic. Also a list of Ms . Hagan' s reasons
for denial are: a par,t of the official minutes . (which is a part of
the official- minutes and 'attached to tkie Master Copy)
Mr. Gene Newcomb,, 10510.Hussey Lane,, Carmel,, member, of C1ay Council
spoke- ln opposition- because iE -1s• to cTose to -residential, and the
esthetics . Mr. Newcomb objected to a seven story building.
Ma.Sherry. Kelly, 10100 Springmill Road stated that a 'Sheriff ' s �
report tias been submitted sta£ing that Springmill Road would not
ad"equately handle a large volume of c:ommuter traffic. (the �
Stieriff 's report is a par-t of the official minutes and attached to
the Master Copy) . , ,
Mr.. John Mead, 10520 Springmill Road„ spoke in oppositiori �to the
ac6ess of a commercial build"ing off of Springmill Road. The
traffic is currently impossible .
Dr. Jim Dillon;, 507 Cornwall Court, spoke in� opposition of the
zoning laws be_ing continually changed. .
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The public hearing was closed at 9 :43 P.M.
Mr. Nelson spoke in rebuttal of' traffic improvements to be made: � '
Signalization and addit3onal improvements will be made. The
pefitioner has committed to make the improvemen,ts . The petitioner �
is not exceeding the height of the B-1 district . We are set 45 '
back from the rear property line.
Mrs. Badger stated to the legal council that the question may arise
to whether the Plan Commission has the right to deny the petitione=
the. excess height the way the ordinance is written.
Referred to ffie Land Use and Industrial & Commercial Committee on
June .6, 1989, at 7 : 30 P:M. at the City Meeting ;Hall.
6g. 7 :!30 P.M. , Public Hearing on D'ocket No. 33-89 DP/ADLS,
a Development Elan and ,Architectural Design Lighting and
Signage Application for Dukemill Associates,, a Limited
Partnership. Site is located North and South of 126th
Street just east of Meridian Street. Site consists of
9 .41T acres and is zoned. B-2 . Petitioner seeks ,the.
approval to construct a �4 story office building with
100, 000 sq.ft.. of leasable area. :`:
Filed by Philip Nicely for Dukemill Associates, a Limited
Partnership.
The:`publlc hearing was opened ,,at ;9:47 P:M.
Mr.. Philip Nicely, 'Attorney, 8888 Reystone Crossing, made a
presentation a copy which is on filed. at the Carmel Department of (
Community Development. I
Mr.Mark Disney, Development of Duke, Mr.John Russell who is in
construction site, Mr. Pete Lennox and Mr. Ed 'Beck who are the
architects and Mr. Tom Lawrence oui Landscape Archttecf, and Mr.Stu:
Huckle, Engineer were present. Y"'
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aerial, view, site plan., drainage plan, first, phase site plany,
signage :plan, lightYng plan for "pfiase one, landscaping plans we=e
shown:
Ms .Bue Di1Ton, 507 CornwaLl Ct. , spoke . in favor of this project.
The public .hearing was closed at 10: 07 P.M.
Mr. Potasnik questioned if there were provisions; made for sidewalk7
Mr. Nicely stated sidewalks will be provided, on the west side of
Pennsylvania.
Referred to tl}e Land Use & Industrial & Commercial Committee on
June 6, 1989 at 7 : 30 P.M. at tlie City Meeting Hall.
7g. 7 : 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 34-89 P.P. , a •
Preliminaiy Plat AppTication for North Amer-ican Park.
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� The �plat consists o£ 3 lots on 6. 449 acres of land
:. " located on the west side of Michigan Rd. just north of
' 98th Street. Petitioner seeks approval to subdivide
' property for commercial development. Site is zoned H-2
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� Filed by Jim J. Nelson for Ten One Eleven, Indiana
— Genera=l Partners . . �
The publiq hearing was opened at 10 : 08 P.M.
Mr. Jim Nelson, 3663 Brumley Way, Carmel, made a presentation, a
copy which is on file at the Carmel Department of Community
Development,
Mr.-Sfu Huckleberry of Paul i . Cripe, Inc. was present.
An aerial view and plat proposal were shown.
There were no comments from the public.
The public hearing was. closed at 10 : 12 P.M.
Referred to Subdivieion Committee on June 6, 1989, at 7 : 30 P.M. at
the City Meeting Hall,.
Mr. Rick Brandau introduced Mr. Terry Jones, Assistant to the
Director of Development.
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lh. Commission to consider pocket No. Y5-89 ADLS, an
Architectural Design, Lighting a_n_d Signage Application
_ for Lantech of America. Petitioner wishes for approval
to c.onstruct 15,.000 square foot building, located on
Technology drive in the Meridian Technology Park.
Filed by Jon Altman and John Stamp.
(Tabled at Industrial & Commercial Committee by
' Petitioner, 4/11/89) ,
THIS ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
2h. Commission to consider pocket No'. 21-89 ' ,ADLS,, an
Architectural Desi:gn Lighting and Signage Application for �
wendy's International. Project was approved April 1B,
1989 by Plan Commission except for lighfing. Petitioner
was to return for approval of lighting plan. '
Filed by Tony Garcia.
THIS ITEM WAS TAHLED AT THE INDUSTRIAL & COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE.
3h. Commiasion to consider pocket No. 26-89 ADLS, an
Architectural Design, L'ighting and Signage 'Appltcation
for a 15, 000 square foot addif3on �for the TARGET store
located at Keystbne Sguare. The addition is to be '
located. west of existing building: Site is zoned H-8 .
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Filed by Mark Johnson for Target Stores . :
Mr. Hoone read the Iridustrial & Commercial Committee Report (which
is a copy of. the official minutes and attached to the Master'��Copy) . �
Mr.. Boone moved to approved Docket No. 26-89 as presented. �'
Mr. Max, MOOre seconded.
_ Mrs. McMullen questioned were are the staff comments addressed?
Is the staff satisfied with these three points7
Mr. Cunningham !stated that. the recommendations are pending these
3 points. These points we would like clarified and made into the
motion.
Mr. Mark Johnson stated that they have agreed with the staff that
the units should be painted the same as the rest of the building,
do not believe that screenYng is necessary because they are set so
far back from the edge of the building because they cannot be seen,
there will be a shadow box fencing, the block is painted on the
west side.
Mr. Davis questloned the screening of the mechanics?
Mr, Boone 's committee suggested that this topic may be raised this
evening. That they be prepared to answer if it did arise.
Mr. Hoone stated regarding the Triple Way side it will be improved
with another building at some .time in the near future.
Mr. Story felt that the building would be a little absurd to put
a marble wall on the west iaall, did propose painted original color
of building. On the west, .side the petitioner did propose to, plant —
evergreens along west wall to break up. There will be qo. signage .
The roof structure concerning the mechanics are being put on top
of the building. The evergreens wiSl be 6 ' high when planted.
Approved 12 - 1. Mrs . Badger voted in opposition.
4h. Commission to consider pocket No. 27-,89 .ADLS (Amend) for
Hi'11s Development. Petitioner seeks approval for a
Signage Amendment for the Timber Creek Development
located at Guilford and Adams Streets .
Filed by Sam Cannon for Hills Development.
Mr. Boone read the Industrial & Commercial Committee Report (which
is a part of the official minutes and attached to fhe Master Copy) . �
Mr. Boone moved to approve Docket No. 27-89 as presented. �
Dr. Long seconded. �
Mrs. MeMullen questioned if the landscaped area has been addressed?
Mr. Brandau sfated that it has been presented to staff and the
staff is satisfied.
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. 5h.. Commiseion to consider pocket No. 28-89 FP/ADLS, a Final
- Plat, and Architectural Design, Lighting and Signage
Application for an indoor sports facility, Petitioner
. ' wishea to construct a 72, 000 square foot buiTding to
— house a recreational sporta, facility:
Filed by Carter Jackaon for Carmel Science & Technology.
' Mr. Boone read the Zndustsial & Commercial Committee 'Report (which
is a part of the official minutes and attached to the Master Copy) .
Mr, Hoone moved to approve Dockeb No. 28-89 as presented.
Mr. Story seoonded. ,
Mra., McMullen questioned if the petitioner is aware of staff
comments?
Mr. Nelson stated: that., they had 'made an effort to meet with the
staff and etill wanb to meet with them again. The trash area was
;�agreed to be covered.
Mrs. Lamb questioned if the entrance was on Carmel Drive?
Mr.. Nelson stated they had changed it to Clark St. .
. Mrs. Hadger questioned 1E .the motion is contingent upon . staff and '
petitioner agreeing on landscaping7
Mr. Hoone stated that he was not aware of this . �
Mr. Hoone amended his motion to read: based upon approval of
clarification of landecaping plan.
Mr. Story seconded,
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11. Coinmission to consider pocket 'No. 39-89 ADLS (Amend) , an
Architectural Design, Signage and Lighting application
for Key'stone: Square Animal Hospital. Petibioner seeks '
appr,oyal for a new sign to replace exieting one on site.
. Site is located at 1445 S : Range Line Rd. and is zoned !
8-8:.
F`tled by W.P.Paramore. �
Mr. W.. P. P.aramore, 1445 S. Range Lihe Rd. made presentation a copy �
which is on file at the Carmel Department .of Community Development.
A site' plan was ehoian. '
� Mr. Davis noted staff recommendatioris .
Mrs. McMullen moved to suspend the rules and act on this tonight .
Mr, Hoone seconded:. � �
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Mrs ., Hadger, moved to approve Docket No. 3:9-89 as presented. -
Mr. Fleming seconded.
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Mr. Potasnik requested to be put on the Industrial & Commercial �
Committee on June 6, 1989 for a report on outside storage.
The Comprehensive Plan Update meeting will be May 30th at 7 : 30 P.M.
Mr.Gordon Byere proposed pool ordinances, I think the history of
. this is that the BZA is tired of hearing this . My concern is that
we haqe done this a little unusual. The first question I have is
you need to define who are adjacent, probably need to say abutting,
adjoining and adjacent and are we going 600 ' deep like we go on
notice or are we just going to go to touch the ed"ge of the
property, Then you get into limited partnerships and we get an
estate or, get 4 people that own property, do they .all have to
con_sent and maybe where it is not a big proSlem, if you get a
developer that owns a subdivision the first will be to get the
consent of the deVeloper. It precludes all above ground pools,
which would knock out all little kids pools, must define wha•t are
considered above ground pools . The discharge point, state: .you
cannot discharge water into the septic or sewer system, if you are
in the country'where do you discharge water7
Mrs. Badger stated that they did add to the Pool Ordinance, hiqhest
point of suppor'ting structure shall not exceed 'fwo 'feet, 24" �bove
the existing gi�ound level . We figured that would allow chi_Ldren
pools and would 'allow for the height of the apron around the �sool . f
2 feel this shc,uld go back to cominittee level. —
Mr. Hyers questioned the object of fhe hot tubs being put ip the
back yard. Mc�st hot tubs are two feet above ground level. We
should say autgmatic pool covers should or should not be allowed.
The Home Occupancy is ready to be prepared for Public hearing.
Mr. Boone, statecl tfiat the recollection of our approval of the
Mariott Hotel was finally given with the expressed condition that
construction would, +not start until traffic `Yights ' have been
installed. Construction has started and he informed me that
basically that had issued a foundation permit . Construction seems
to be continuous, walls have been constructed and st''rll no traffic
lights. �
Mr. Hucher stated that the occupancy permit. would not 'be given
until light was put in place. They have reached an agreement with
the state highway, Five developers in that area Have been, .meeting
regularly withtfie state highway as far as planned improvements .
There have been many delays in getting the contract .worked' out.
We do have the documents now signed by the State Highway and by the
Deqelopers for the improvements on Meridian Street and for the
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, � to begin in the near future with a timetable of having the
, intersection completed this fall . !
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" Mr. Boone stated that the proposal ,and the reason for it was
conditioned on the fact that you would 'have people entering this
� site during construction.
Mrs . Hadger requested that Mr. Bucher send 'everyone .a copy of thoae
minutes to the Plan Commission members so . we know what was
approved.
Mrs . Badger seconded.
Mr. Hoone noticed all atores that were covenanted not to have
outsi3e s'torage now do have outside storage .
Mrs . McMullen questioned what do these covenants mean, and are they
being enforced?
There was further diecussion regarding the covenants of outside
storage.
Mrs . Badger requested that Mr. Bucher hire someone from his office
to £ake minute"s at the subcommittee meetings,.
Mr. Bucher stated that he would take care of this .
Mre. ,Hadger moyed that the meeting be adjourned. . '
Mr. Klar second.
Mr. Davis adjourned tfie meeting at 11 :17 P.M. .
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— The regular meeting of the Carmel Planning Commission was brought
to order by Je€f Davis,, President, at 7 : 37 P.M. at the City
Meeting Hall, on April 18, 1989. The meeting opened with the
Pledge of Allegiance:
• The roll was calTed and members present, were. as follows : Jeff �
Davis; President, Sue McMullen, Vice President, Ila Hadger, Betty
' Stevenson, Sandra Long, Henrietta Lamb, Jim 0'Neal, Max Moore,
Alan Potasnik,, 'Frank Fleming, Richard Klar and Vaughn Story. Mr.
Sob Hoone was, absent.
Staff Membere present were: Rick Brandau, Dave Cunningham and
Dorthy Neisler.
The amendments to the March 21, 1989 minutes were as follows :
Page 3, Paragraph #4 is to be deleted per Mr. Alan Eotasnik. Mr.
Ri"chard' Klar moved to approve deletion and Mr. Jim 0'Neal
seconded.
Page 4, Paragraph #7, the fourth line ts to read: It is
impractical, improbable and highly ualikely that sidewalks will
ever be installed along this development,.
Page 5, 'third paragraph from the bottom of the page .Mr. Boone
questioned how does this, particular pos,i;tion that we are about to
— assume here, how does that tie in• with the posifion that most of
the Plan Cominission Members took previously with regard to the
600' wide strip on the west side of Meridian for business use as
an attempt ,to satisfy the tiomeowners on �the west side which Mr.
Dillon lead the opposition that caused us to go into an amendment
procedure earlier on fo= our Comprehensive Plan. Are we now
'talking about on the west side of 31, we are just to vary it to
hoiaever we decide to vary it or are we in fact going to stay with
the position that we took back at the point in time.
' Mr. Dayis stated people who are inqolved in this committee
involqed on the vote of the decision cannot agree on what we
entirelytdifferentndecisaPeople who tiave spent quite a bit of
decide �to do. There are
ecision was made, came up with two
_ ons we made, This was decided in
ordinance form only, .required an ordinanceito approve an
amendment �to the Comprefiensive 'P,lan. The Comprehensive Plan is
not a ;strict ordinance of how things ;are to be done but only a
guideline.
Mr. Jim 0'Neal moved to approve the minutes of March 21, 1989 as
amended:
Mr. Vaughn Story seconded.
— There is a tour scheduled for- April 22 of ;subdivisions and
commercial propeity. There °wi'1T not be a sign committee meeting
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The Executiye Committee for the Comprehensive Plan Update will
meet on May 23 . The committee meetings will meet on May 9th.
G. . PUBLIC HEARINGS:
ig. 7 :30 P.M. , Publ'ic Hearing on Docket No. T8-89 P.P. , a
Pieliminary Plat application for .Lynnwood, Farm Phase ,
One. The plat consists of 197 lot's on 98 .,2 acres of
land located one mile east of Gray Rd. on l'31st St. and
site is zoned 5-1. The petitioner is requesting
subdivision variance"s from the fol'lowing sections:
6 .:3 .6 City streets; to be 30 ft. in width as
measured from .back to ]iack curb. �.,
6.3 .3 Certain proposed streets shall be
extended to. the boundary line of. the
tract to be subdivided. to provide access
to adjacent undeveloped tracts of
;gsound.
6.3 . 20 No private streets 'platted in any
residenti:al. subdivision,. (
On October 24, ;1988, the Carmel/C1ay. Board of Zoning
Appeals granted variances from Sections 26:.2 .2 in
regards £'o minimum front yard, minimum aggregate side
yard, minimum lot width, and minimum lot sizes for the
proposed area. " �
Filed by Richard Rembusch for Lynnwood Farm Associate's,
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THIS `ITEM HAS BEEN TABLED BY THE PSTITIONER FOR ONE 'MONTH.
H. OLD BUSINESS:
ih. Commission to consider pocket No,. i1-89 Z, a Rezone
Application for Lot 11 in the Mendenhall Addition.
Site consists of .2 acres and is currently zoned R-2
(Residential) and B-5 (Business) . Petitioner wishes to
rezone, to R-;3 (Residential) for the construction of a
two family dwelling.
Filed by Vern Bloom. �
� The Land Use Committee report was read by Mrs. Ila Badger (which
' Ys a part of the official minutes and attached to the Master
Copy. ) L
Mrs .I1a Badger mov,ed to approve Docket No. 11-89 Z as submitted.
�. Sandra Long seconded.
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2h. Commission to consider pocket No.. 15-89 ADLS, aa
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Architectural Design, Ligfiting and Signage Application
for Lantech of 'America. Eetitioner wishes for approval
' to construct 15�,;000 sguare foot bui'lding;, Yocated on
'Technology Drive in fhe Meridian Technology Park.
Filed by Jon Altman and John Stamp:.
(Tabled' at Industrial and 6omme=cial Committee by
Petitioner, 4/S1/89),.
This item was tabled at the I & C Cominittee, will seappear at the
;next committee meetiqg,.
3h. Commi'ssion to consider pocket No. '21-89 ADLS, an
Architectura�l Design, Light3ag and signage Application
for Wendy's ,International. Petitioner wishes to
construct a 430 :.square foot: addition for their existing
buiYding located at 2370 E: 116th St. No additional
s"tgnage requested. • ,
Filed by Tony, Garcia.
'The Indust=lal. and Commercial committee report was read by Jeff
Davis (which is a part. of. the official minutes and attached to
_ the Master Copy) .
Mr. Hrandau stated that the petitioner was unable to get the
li"ghbing plan worked but or drawn up. Staff doesn't feel it is
very significant, theg do feel they can and. will conform. They
, do want': to work with us, it is just a mattei of' getting the
drawings compieted. I don't feel it needs to hold up their
project any: , Just make the approval pending ;the staff approval
of "the plans. We won't issue a building permit untii plans are
approved.
' There was further discussion on the lighting, 'concerning the
number :of light. poles that will be added and light spiliage;:
Mrs.Ila :Badger, moved to approve Docket No;. 21-89 for
architectural design and' signage, witfi the understanding that they
will come back to €he nezt P1an, Commission ,meeting wsth a
sufficient. lighting plan for approva3.:
Mr.Vaughn Story seconded: "
Approved 10-1, Mr. Potasnik vot'ing against .
4h: Commission to establlsh a committee for an Ordinance
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Amendment requested from fhe ,Carmel/C1ay Board of
Zoning Appeafis to allow �a one cHair, beauty salon as a
permitted use under the guidelin`es and definitions of
— Home Occupation (section 3 .6 page 12 of the Carmel/Clay
Zoning �Ordinance):, "
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Filed ,Dy the .Department of Community Development for r
the Carmel/Clay Board of Zoning Appeals .
Mrs-.IYa Badger gave a brief update' on.the Ordinance Amendment and
plan on being ready for a publ�ic; hearing at the June, Plan
Commission meeting. Will have a finalized dra£t to P1an
Commission inembers before •fhat meeting.
Mr. Vaughn Story questioned the purpose of this amendment.
Mr.Jeff Davis. would like to change: the ordinance so that once
they have been approved so the .peti'tioner won't have to
confinually come back every year for an approval every year.
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li. Commission to :consider pocket No. 26-89 ADLS, an :
Arch 'itectural Design, Lighti�ng and Signage ApplicaLion
for a 15',000 square foot addition for tkie TARGET store
located, at Keystone Square. The addition is to be
located west of exisfing bui-lding. `Site is zoned 8-8;.
Filed by Mark Johnson for Target Stores: I
Mr. Dennis Anderson, Architect gave a presentation, a copy which
is on file at fhe Carmel Department of Community Deyelopment.
Mr.Mark Johns,on was also present�.
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The site and elevation plans were shown. •?'
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Mrs . McMullen; questioned -if. this is to be .a road used by the ''�
public or used bg trucks servicing the business?
Mr. Anderson stated it was to be an access only.
Mr. Dave Cunningham stated that it .has been proposed to be put in
by .the overall property owner, it .will be a dedicated road. The
existing cut is just west of Eavey's and connected to Triple AAA
Way.
A Keystone Shopping ;representative stated they received a permit
a gear and half ago. Also received approyal from the board of
water c�iorks. They a_re in the process bf' installing sanitary
sewers, storm sewers and as soon as get the permit will put sn
" the �blacktop.
Mrs. McMullen state3. concerned about what it .looks like from the [
street, point of', view, if i't is. going to be a busy thoroughfaie, �
and how much space there is between all of this.
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-- Mr.Jeff;, Davis' stated that we would have to assume that it will be
used a l'ot, we are conceined about the lboks of it, that will
involve landscaping of some type. You will need to have all this
in your presentation ready at commitfee.
This will be referred to the Industrial & Commercial Committee on
May 9th at' 7:30 P:M. at the City Meeting Hall.
21. Commission to cons,ider pocket No. 2y-89 ADLS. (Amend)
for Hi11s Development. Petitioner seeks approval for a
Signage Amenclment for the Timber Greek Development
located at Guilford and Adams Streets.
F11e.d by Sam Canon for Hills Development.
Mr. Sam: Canon, 1010 Abbot Stseet, made presentation, a copy which
is on, file at the Carmel Department of Commuhity Development.
A signage and site plan 'was shown.
This will be referred fo Industrial & Commercial Committee on *tay
9th at 7 :30 P.M, at the ',City Meeting Hall.
31. Commission Co consider pocket No. 28-89 FP/ADLS, a
'' Fina`1 Plat', and <Architecfural Design, Lighting and
Signage Application for AT1 American Sports.
Petitioner wishes to construct a 72„000 square foot
buil'ding to house a recreational sports facility.
Filed by Carter Jackson of Carmel Science & TechnoTogy
` for All P:merican Sports .
Mi�. Jim Ne�lson, 3663 Brumley Wap, Carmel, made presentationy a
copy which is. on filed at the Carmel Department of Communi'ty
Development.
Mr_.• Carter Jackson, and Chris White of Paul I . Cripe, Inc. were
�present.. � -
A sitg. development plan, landscaping� plan, lighting plan, . artist
rendering of' elevation and si'gna,ge, plan. were ,shown.
This will be ieferred to the Ifldustrial & Commercial Committee on
May, 9th at 7 :30 P.M, at tfie City Meeting `Hall.
4i. Commission to consider pocket No. 29-89 ADLS (Amend) ,
' an Architectural Design, Lagfiting, and Signage
-- Application ,for' St;. Vincents Hospital. Petitioner
, seeks approval for: a temporary"d"iagnostic facility to
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be located on fhe southeast side of the existing St. -�
Vincent' s 'Hospital.
Filed by Richard Berge= for St. Vincent' s Hospital.
Mr. E. Davis Coots, 255 E. Carmel Drive, Carmel, made
presentation, a topy which is on file at the Carmei Department of
Community Development.
Mr. Mike, Chipman, Administrator, Mr. Tim Hare, Director of the
Hospital and :Mr. Chuck F�ugnies, P1ant, Manager and Equfpment
Supervisor we=e present.
An aerial view, site plan, elevation nendering anfl landscaping
plan were shown_
Mr:Dave Cunningham discursed the suspension of ru�1es and there •_-;
are still aspects of this that need approval and n,eed to go to :-
committee and come back a:n May. It is not our recommendation to
suspend the rules. The p�titioner was aware of' stzff"s �,;..
recommendations .
Mr. Jeff DavYs stated that it is up to the Plan Ccammission
whether or not to suspenPi the rules .
Mrs. Ila Badger question�d how' long do you propose 'this to be at _
St. Vincent's sighf? �
Mr. Coots stated that th�a lease is a minimum of oiae gear. ..
Mr. Mike Chipman, Admini.`strator, our plan right now is to lease
at one year minimum, at which time we will further evaluate the
plan with provision of s�eryices in this particulax unit and we -
haye s,ome plans to givirig consideration to making this a
permanent part of the feicility at Carmel_
Mr.Jeff Davis questionecl; what is the possibility that at. the end
of the ear ou mi ht dEicide to continue this on �.s a temporary
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situat.ion ? Is there asr. potential ot this being ,here 2 years,, 5
years or 6 years? ',
Mr. Chipman _stated fhat �it may continue a few inonths. after the
year, depending on deman.d of service. Mr. Chipmar.�, state'd thaf
the extended number of ;j;ears, it is not a possibillty.
Mr. 0'Neal questioned wliat the staffs other objections to this
project were?
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Mr. Cunningham stated tl'a.at their �main objection is not receiving
the submittal until Moni�.ag, and feel they need more time to �
review.
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,�— ,Mr,. Coote discussed with Mr;. Bucher a month� ago. The plans that
are on file do depic't all landscaping plans that will be put
� around the trailer and tractor -is removed. Mr. Coots recommended
•at the end of one year, the petitioner come back to the Plan
�COmmission with information to whether this goes on beyond this
one year and to what action needs to be taken.
Mr. Vanghn Story questioned if this will be a connection with
Carme_1 St. Vincent's and findianapoTls. St_ Vincent's hospitals?
Mr;. Chipman stated that not at this time;.
Mr. Brandau asked M_r. Coots before approval can we get paid for
the filirig fee:
Mr. Coots st;ated he would see that the filing fee was paid for.
Mr. Jim 0'Neal moved� to suspend the rules on Docket No. 29-89.
Mrs. Badger seconded. �
Approved 10-1, �Mr. Story voting against.
Mr. Jim 0'Neal moved to approve Docket No�. 29-89 for one year
basis, subjecf to hospital coming back for approval in one year,
with s£aff '.s landscaping approval.
Mrs. McMullen seconded. '
` Approved 10-1, Mr. Potasnik opposed. ��
OLD BUSINESS
bh. Commission .to consider pocket No. 24-89 S.P. , a
Secondary P,lat Application for Westpark at Springmill,
� Section 1. Site is located at ,southeast of the
inteisection of Dorset Blvd. and springmill Road. Plat
consists of 44 lots on 19. 73 acres .
Filed by George Sweet. '
Plats . 'There 'is 'some confusion about thenarily look at $econdary
Mr. Jeff Davis • stated that we do not ordi
vote on this and what
was presented. . Our attorney has ;suggested that we go ahead and
look" at this. as a full P1an Commis"sion tonight. Ssace the new
state 1aw was passed a few yea=5 ;ago indicated that we could not.
turn down a Seeondary Plat 'if it had not 'been subsfantially
changed from the Pritnary Plat, we ':quit brsaging them back to the
full Plan Commission. The '
, question was there a substantial
change in the Primary Plat, o= is there a `su_bstanttal change in
the Primary PTat7. We 'have no cause to vote against it, if there
was then it needs a new Pr-imary Plat_:: .Is� fhe item being
presented' in substantial agreemegt, with the Primary Plat?
Mr. George Sweet stated that he was unaware of any changes from
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what was approved on March 21, 1989 as a primary plat. -�
Mr. Davis questioned another words you are asking :us to approve
this project and ,it will be the same project that ..was asked for
approval on the Primary plat that we made an approval on.
Mr. Sweet stated yes .
Mr. Potasnik stated that ,in our subdivision committee in our
questioning of staff and Mr. Sweet fhat it was brougkit out that
all •staff concerns had or•'will have been addressed prior to the
signing of the Secondary Plat. Tax concerns as. well wi'll ,be prior
to the signing of the Secondary Plat. There were no substantial
changes in the Piimary Plat and the pTat was March 21, 1989. All
the reqyirements for the Secondaiy Plat have been or will be met
relatiye to the Indiana Code and the Subdivision Cont=ol
Ordinance prior to the signing of the Secondary Plat.
Mr. Sweet stated that this was coirect. _
Mr. Davis did speak with� Mr. Gordon Byers, our aEtorney, and he
stated that the law is verg clear and if tliere. are no. changes we
can not disapprove it the second time, something 'we have already
approved.
Mr.Vanghn; 5tory moved to adjourn meeting. —"
Mr. Jim 0'Neal seconded.
Motion was approved 7-4. Mr. Potasnik, Mrs. Badger, Mrs . Lamb and
Mr. Davis were opposed to adjourning the meeting at this time.
Mr. Davis stated the meeting was adjourned at 9 : 02 P.M.
Mr. Sweet. had, a clarification of record. is the statements or
questions that Mr. Potasnik asked the staff receiving. an
affirmative °answer? Were those "a11 answered affirmatively by the
staff?
Mr.. C.unningham stated that they were all answered affirmative7y
by the staff. •
Mr. Sweeb questioned if it is correct then that this Secondary .
Plat has been approved7
Mrs. Badger stated that it was an automatic approval .
Mr. Story stated that no decision had been made yet.
Mr. Davis stated that Mr': Sweet was assuming he was set with a
negatixe vote at the Subdivisson Committee level?
Mr. Sweet stated which Mr. Davts re'iterated was against the state �
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Mr. Davis stated. yes that -is correct.
Mr. Sweet stated, that :the P1an Commission: adjourned the meeting
to duck doing what tlie state law requires you to do.
� Mr,; Story suggested the president te1Ls us according to the State
Law we cannot disapprove a Secondary Plat. If we can't
disapprove it, ,why do; we need to approve itY ',Ttien the rules,
tfi_erefore: durinq last year as I understand it,., the rules were
changed to 'say no longer would ;Secondary Plats! be brought before
tkie full P1an Commtssion for consideration. Ts that correct7
Mr. Davis ,.stated that was correct.
Mr. Story` stated that therefore you wi1T fo1`low, the procedure
that was set up in this past year .and if a Prelimina=y Plat has
been passed, there. have been no substant3al changes when the
petitioner comes i"n for the Secondary Plat and then was not your
procedure Mr. President for the Presi'dent to `sign it? What was
the procedure?
Mr. Davis £he procedure was' to take it to the Subdiyision
_ Committee and_ approve' it there. It was sent to the Subdivision
Committee. TherSubdivision Committee denied it.
Mr: Story questioned why the 8ubdivision Committee report was not
,read?
Mrs: McMullen moved to reopen the meeting.
Mrs,. ,Badger ,seconded.
Motion, was approved 9-2 . Mr.Jim 0'Nea1 aad Mr,. Vaughn Story were
opposed .£o reopening the meeting.
The Subdivision committee report was read by Jeff Davis (which is
a part of the official minutes and attached to the Master Copy)-. �
Mr;. Dapis! questioned Mr: Sweet .is it correct you are not making
this accessible to school buses?
Mr:. Sweet stated that the desi,gn of the emergency access is of
sufficient size to handle fire trucks `which was established as
part of the Primary Plat (ctiange in: tap"es;), �and .we if we can be .
accommodating to tYie community or ,in some fashion we would like
to be. It has nothing to 3o' witfi specif ically the Primary Plat
approval, which was approved under; the proger procedure that 2 am
aware of'. I have miriutes -1t was voted on, 9-3 . We went to the
Technical Advisory Committeer,; we: 'meet the 'development standards
— of this. body>.in the fact that we received the variances under due
process, we gaye you a Secondary Plat which. was in exact
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confoimance with the Primary Elat. I submit to you tonight, not
only have .you; .adjourne3. and reconvened and I'm still here saying
that I have 'not deviated from the Primary 'Plat `that was approved
by this body on March 21, 19'89 .
Mr. Po,tasnik moved to app=ove Docket No: 24-89 !S•:P. , a Secondary
Plat� be approved. � �� �
Mrs. Badger �seco.nded.
Approved 11=0,.
M;., Potasnik moved to adjourn the meeting.
Mrs,. 'McMuTlen seconded.
Mrs,, Hadger: reported that the Land Use Committee is working on
the revision of the Swimming Poo1 Ordinance and that we are
hoping to have a public ;hearing on that issue in June also. You
will. :be receiving a preliidi.nary document on that before. the June'
meeting. -
Meeting was adjourned at 9: 12 P:M.
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� Th� r �•yu;:.,r mr•eiing uf !he, Ca'r�;rel Pdanning Comm'ission was Grought to ord-rr by
;� "� e '1e,r,ul;l�n , ��:;ce. presid�nr,, pre,siding oifi,i'cer; at 7:39 I?.M. at t'he City
�(��� "'Eelang "N., o--1 , "yn "�arc,h 3;2 , I9(39. The m'ee',tii�'ng opened wi�fh the Pledge of
C�9le'g(i,,nr.e. •
T:' e "ro;lY �aas called and mem6ers pre,sent were as follows: Riahard K1ar, Sue
f"cP�ul9en, Ila Badger,, 'Ac6 Boone„ Sand.ca Long , 11ax 11oore, Henrietta Lamby Beity
Sievenson„� Frank Fdem�i�n.q, Vauq,fin .Btory and Aban Po�fasni-k. James 0�'Neal was �
absent and President, J 'eff Davis' anrived at 8:08 F.11.
Staif' flembers .present were lJes Bucher, Rick Brand'au and Dave Cunningham�
Gor_don Byers and Dorthy Neisler:
Corrections o� the minufes submitted by Mr. Silver , Page B of February 2I ,
4;969 minutes 'are as ioT:Iows:
Paraqraph 7 sfiouUd read: Mr. Nicely statetl tliat they have given Mr.
Gregg Silver the proposed dr,aft ofi the easement. and he has looked at it hut
not yet tully app'roved it and if his client doesn 't 1-ike every word in it, ,lef
the re�ord show fhat under the vacation as wel,l as under the common law Mr.
Nicely indicated he would s'tafe: tfiat they fiave an easement to their lots, I
indicated tha'f I would do t,hat for them and so I am.
Mr.Richard Klar moved fhat the minutes from the February 21, 1989 be approved
with the above amendment.
Maz Moore seconded.
Motion approved.
— Changes on da:tes: Committee meetings in April, wi'P1 6e moved to the second
; Tuesday April ll, 1989. There will be no Comprefiensive Plan meeting April .
Ln May the committee mee,ting will be held on the second Tuesday which will be
May 9th. . The Compreliensive Update Plan rommittee wi11 meet on the 9th
Tuesd"ay in 11ay whic,h wi11 be May 23.
Presiden(, Jeffi DaVis re�ei.ved two le#ters from concecned homeowners asking to
protect ;th'e !rees and environment ofi our community. (which is a part of the
ofificial minutes and aftachetl to the Master Copy) .
PUHLPC HEARINGS
lq:, 7<30. P.M. , Public Hear_ing on Dockei No. 11-89 Z a rezone
application for Co;t 11 in #he Mendenha4l Addition. Site consists
of :2 acres and is currently zoned R-2 (residential,l and B-5
(-Husiness) . Petitioner wishes to cezone fo R-3 (residential) for
4he construc.Eion ofi a two family dwel,linq.:
, Fi-1ed 6y Vern BToom.
� The public hearing opened at 7:45 P.M. .
Mr. Vern Bloom, 12Y-01 Wind"sor D"rive,, Carmel made ,pcesentation, a copy which is
; on fiile at the Carmel D'epa'rfinent .of Community Development.
` A site pl'an was shown.
Richard Daois, 25 3rd Aye:. S:W: 'aoul'd like to know the width and length of
this house and wliere t'he 'entrance -will be and where the parking will be� The
=?wer is inside the loti.
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• 11r . �.leo�n st�ated ih:3t �,;�en �he h�ii-,`1`t , he� d,id n�i r�-a] i...e t,�ere �i �:s a �.euc-r ���
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l�h„re� �ii] 1 rnom i�or parkin�3 in tlie raar und ❑ne =pnci= in i!ie dri<<�=r.ay. �
Sh�•.�n Dei�toh , 2�25 S�: ] s.t S.W. �oncc-rned abcut the paF'ki-ng„ a� s�i�d�z;;.ilk o:as �
. just pu�t �in Hnd� wui�d"ered ifi a �d�r"ivemay woiild �e put in also.
The� publ.ie hearing �aas �l.osed� at 7: 59 B�.M.
Mr. Story ,ques•tioned i�he si,ze�� o;f� fhe lot. Alsb� a�hat is the 5ize of the
pioposed� str�uciure tha�t you weuld 1'ike�� to build.
I1r. BI'oom stated that the. lot was 6b x 132. ihe siructure wi11 be 55. 5 ' long
and 36.:8' wide. �
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This i'tem will go to the Land Use Commiilee .meeting on April 71 , 1989 'at 7:30
P.11. at ffie City. l1eeting Nall .
O�D BUSINESS '
ih. Gommission to consider on Docket No, k09-88 P:P. a Preliminary
Piat Application fior Larkspur Phase Two located af, the Sou:theast
corner of 116th St. and Shelbprne Road. This plat includes. l3
lots or 16.1 acres: of land. Site is zoned S-1, single fami'ly
residential, �
_ Filed' by Wayne Kelley,.
Subdivisi'on Committee report was given tiy ,Alan Potasnik (wfii`�h is a parf of ':
the official minutes and attached to ihe Master Copy) ,
Mr. Poi�asnik so moved, SanE�a long seconded. ��
Findings ofi fact were comp7eted by all board members.
Motion was appr.oved 11-0. Jefif Davfs and Jim 0'Neal absent.
2h. Commissio� to consider pocket No: 120-68 PP, a Preliininary Plat
Application on West Park at Springmill Subdi,vision located at the
Southeast corner of 131st Street and Springm:il'1 Road. This pPa#
incl'udes 89 lbts or 39 a"cres ofi land. Site is -aoned R-3.
Su6division vaciances are being requested for refiief from Section
6.3.7 mazimum leng'fh oi Cu1-tle-Sac 600 ft and Section 6.3.Z1 two
points of ac�ess required fior a sutidivision ofi more than 15 :lots.
Also zoning ordinan�e variance fior f,ronf yard setback feom
required 30' ta 25'.
Filed by Georqe Sweet/Brenwick 9evelopment Co. , Inc.
Subdivision Commiitee re ort was �-
P qiven by Alan Potasnik (whicti' is a par4 ofi
ihe official minutes and atlached 'to Yhe Master Copy) .
Letter from The Brenwick Companies :requesting us to deTete the nocffiern parcel
of WestpaeR for purposes of primary plat. (which is a part of the offi,cial
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CF�RIIEL f'LANNING CDI9PJISSIC"J I^iNUTFS - MAkCH 21 , 1'989 3
� q�ir�u':Ces. anJ' aftached Yo Che Master Copy) .
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�` Staif recommend'ations we� e read by °ue Mcl7ul len (whichi is a part of tt,e
��'� . oif.,ci,a�l .minix:t`es and attached tb the 11�.:st'rr �Copy:)�.
' , Dav.e' Cunn��.i'�ngh'am �hecked with our� attorne.y about s.pliifinq this, leyally by our
status we do not have a problem wiffi ilsat, uou]d like to note that when they .
do come back with the north section would be required and republish public
notice for dnother publi'c hearing. The petitioner has agreed to that. Does
lhe P:1an Cemmission make a determining vote this evening without having a
commiYtee recommendation on this part7
I"r.s. Badger asked the committee chairman , Alan Potasnik, if they have a
. � re,commend�a�ti�on? ' •� '
Alan stated he had ta'Tked to Wes because of a time involvement that was
invo:lved with this and have not met and the committee has not formalized a
recommenda4ion pursuant to the south part of this proje�t. Would like to
point out to tlie peti;tioner in addition tha4 staffi recommendations are 'dated
today and are not the same date.
Mrs. Eadger concerned atiou't ;disagreement on two parcels of land. The south
section was a�ceptable and -there were no problems wifh it. I thought the only
problem with the entire petition was the se�ond entrance.
Mr. Potasnik sta#ed that at the Subdivision Committee meetin,g stated that I
did n"ot have any parti�ular ,probiem granting the variance. There was no
� � specific problems with t'he southern portion.
f1r. Sweet displayed the aerial view and site plan and fiurther explained the
problem in question.
Mi-. Siory questioned is the lake in existence today?. You are pleading for one
entrance and one exit, is that correct, to escape from having two entrances?
11r. Sweet st'ated that i.t was not, it is to be constructed as a part of an
everaLl drainage pTan fior the entire 110 acre tract.
Mes. Badger stated tfiat 'ma'inLy with the north portion of this, encompasses my
feeiinqs of fhe main pro�e'�t: Sta,tement was read by Mrs. Batlqer (which is a
pa'rt ofi fhe official minutes `and atiaehed to, :the Master Copy) .
Mc. Potasnik ques4ioned we are considerifig souYhern portion. Would not serve
to go back to committee. Lf no objec4'ion, we woudd like to vote on this this
evening.
Petitoner does agree to renofif,y' for: ffie nor#fiern portion.
Mr. Potasnik m'oyed to ap,proved the, amended mo#=ion on Docket No. 120-88 as
presented .
Dr. Long seconded.
;: - F,indings ofi facts were completed '6y'.,a�ll' boa'rd' members.
Motion was approved 9-3'. BettyiSfeyenson,, Vaughn Story and Bob Boone against.
. 3h. Commission to consider pocket No. 1-B9 ,Z a Rezone Application fior
8 a[res of land located west of A2Y ap,prozimately 1/2 mile north
of 106tfi Streel., Sit'e is curremtly zoned 5-1 . Rezone request is
to zone :this ;site B-3 (Special Use).
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� Filed F,; f_.. Davis Lnots ir,r 421 �eve-lopr�,ent f.cmparry. _
11r_. �.P��.;u'yer ;ave I,and� U=_e L'on�mi t ' ee rep�ri (which� is a .part of ih�e uffi�ial �� �
�;�inu�rs end ati-<.ch���,� to ..he I^as :er C�?Y) •
l;rs. Ga:iner mqved to .app�oved Do�k.et �JO, 1-69 Z as =_i�tn�i.tie.d.
� f1rs. I"•cf1ul-len se�onded . , '
1lotion �approved� l.7_-0.
Sh. Commiss.ien - to consi�der Dc��ket tib. 2-69 P.�P. , a Primary Pla.t
ap,p.l.ication for Or�hard Grossi�ng located at ihe: Northwest. rorner
of SZbth and WesifieZd Blvd. This plat includes 25 lots or 13.786
� acres of ]and. Site is zoned R-I , �resident�ial�.
Filed by Jack Sou�.iherl�and fior Westfield Aevel�opment Company.
Mr.. Potasni'.k ��gaye Subdivision �ommitYee� report (which is a part of� the -�`"
offiicial minutes antl attached to tfie Master Copy) .
Mr. Potasnik moved that Docket No. 2-89 be approved as submitted. "M
Mrs. Lamb se�onded.
Mr. Boone questioned who deems it neeessary to have the option to making that
decision. Mr. Boone sees no reason ahy sidewalks canno{ be inst'a1Ted at the
fime Efie .develbpment is built.
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Mr. Nelson stated the covenants was revised by the homeowners to contribute
the prorata share ofi providiqg. these sidewaYks. Mr. Nelson stated the meihod
selecied to make it an enfiorceable conicibuiion is part ofi tfie �ovenants. . It
is impra�tical , improbabie and hiqhly unl,ikely that sidewalks will never be
installed along this development. Tfiere is drainage, steep slopes along '
Wesifield Boulevard and telephone poles, and trees that we do not want to '
destroy.
Mrs. Lamb questioned are there sidewalks in the interior'.
Mr. Nelson stated there were sidewalks installed. :
Mr. Story questioned ifi the petitioner is installing sidewaYks on the North
side of 106th S#reet and in turn you are proposing not to install sidewalks on
your port-ion ofi Westfield Boulevard. '
Mr. Nelson stated tfiey are putting sidewalks along L06th Street. Afiter
ronsulting with, the petitioner the decision not to put sidewalks along
Wesifiield Blvd. (a joint decision by the applicant and the committee) that now
may not be the appropriate time to put sidewalks along WestfiePd Boulevard.
We said ,at' tfie public hearing that we would put the sidewalks in and if you
want them in we will put them in.
Mr. Davis requested that they do not cuf down mature trees.
Mr. Moore questioned what distance from 106th St. to end ofi subd'ivisibn. L
Mr. Ne]'son sta'ted approzima#ely •600' in distance.
Mr. Potasnik stated. that it was a joint decision, believe committees `fieeling
did see the Lexington Facm Subdivision there was no question about. sidewalks
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, . � � al.rng ;ihr-re. ',Jhren qovernmental enti+y requesied sidewalks be put in that the
„ � p�=titi`oner �pu�t 'ihc�m. i'n. �Do not feel i't i�s r�etes,ary right now.
�� - Il��a: �inove.d� �d��o .amen� mo�t�i'on to put sidewa�Iks in when ihe development is
'�con�p�lesi�ed�.. . .
' ' � �.V'aiighin' $ipry seconded. •
Findir�qs of f«ct were comple#ed by all board mem6ers.
11oi-i�on �k�as a�pproved 12-0. �
• . 5h, Ccmmission fo consider pocke:t No. 3=89 Z a Rezone Application for
9. 56 a�rea of land located a# the Northwest corner of 126th and
, Keystone Ave. . Site is curr'ently roned R-2. Rezone request is to
zone 6his property to a R-4 residential .
. File'd by E. Davis Coots fior Eaton-Lauth Community Development Co.
T,NIS ITEI7 HAS BEEN TABLED BY TNE PETITIONER.
Gh.' Commission to consider pocket No. 5-89 Z a rezone application for
14 :94 acres o.fi land located on 126t'h Street, 800 feet west of
hteridian. Site is currently zoned R-3. Petitioner wishes to
. rezone property to B-5 Professional Office District.
Filed by Phil-ip Nicely for PuRe and, Associates.
• Mrs. Badger read Land Use commit4ee reporti (which is a part ofi the official
minutes and attached fo the Master Copy) .
t '_ Mr. Nicely concern that the committee had was related to the 'property on the
south side, no problem wi:Eh rezoning of the property on the north side ofi
126th.
Mr. Nicely reouested to wiffidraw the rezone for property on the souih side of
126th St.
M`r. Davis asked ,, �an you. separ'ate the feelinq in fhe committee report?
hirs. Badge:r stated that members ofi the publi� that 'were present at the
committee meeting agreed that there was no problem with the north side of
Y2B±h Street.
Mrs. Badger moved to appkove tfie rezone appLicat:ion fior the north porYion of
fhis -1and presented by Mr, Ni'¢ely.
Sue secondetl.
, Mrs. M�Mullen questioned the numtier of acres.
Mr. Nicely slated tfiat ttiere is' 6. 54 acres. 60i, is ri'ght of way.
Mr. Boone questionetl; how does thi's tie in wrtn tne position that most of the
eommittee member took previously with cegard fo ffie 600' wide strip on the
west strip of Meridian for business use. . Is an a,ttempt to satisfiy the
homeowners on the west, si;de which Mr. Di11on Pead the opposition which caused
; us to qo to amendment pcocetlure earLier on fior our Comprehensive Plan.
--- There was fiurther discussi'on on tfiis item.
Stafif requested a lefte'r, firom fhe pe,tiYioner stating that he �is withdrawinq
the south part of this projecf..
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11ution approved 12-0. �
7h. Commiss'ion to consider pocket 'Jo. 10-89 O.A. , an Ordinanr.e I
Am�ndment to the Carmel/Cla Su6d�i �' � �
y vision and Zonin Ordinance.
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I�I , Spec�ifi�ally the amendment and re ealin of th
P g e Cluster Housing
� Dr-dinance.
� Filed 6y Carmel/Clay Plan Commiss�i'on.
� Staff recommendafions were notetl (which is a copy ofi the official minutes and
aifached to ihe MasEer Copyj,
Fl C019MITTEE HAS BEEN SET-UP TO REV3EW EXISTING' ORDINANCE AND DEVELOPI1ENT
P.FOPOSALS.
8h. Commission to consider pocket No. I05-B8 ADLS, an Arcfiitectural
Design , Lighting and Signage Application for Stonegate Apartments.
Petitioner is returning for approval of siqn Iocated at Main St.
and Meadow Lane'.
Fi-led by Toby McClamrock.
Mr. Moore read 'Industrial & Commeecial committee reporf (which is a part of
the official minutes and attached to the Master Copy)
Mr. Moore moved that Do�ket No. •1-05-88 be approved as subm3tted.
Dr. Sandra Long seconded. ,
Motion was approved 11-1 . hir. Boone voted against.
NEfJ BUSINESS —
li. Commission fo consider pocket No. 15-89 ADLS, an Archifectural
Design, Liqhtinq and Signag"e Application fi.or Lantech of America.
Petitioner wishes fo� approval to cons#ruct 15,000 square foot •
buildinq, located on Te¢hnology Drive in the Meridian Technology
Park.
Filed by Jon Altman and John Stamp.
Chris Altman, 650 E. Carmel Drive, Suite A00 made presentation, a copy which
is o,n file at the Carmel Departmen# of Community Development.
A site plan, ;landscape plan, lighting plan, signage. plan and elevations from
diffierent directions were shown.
This item will be referred to the I & C Committee a't 7:30� April ilth, 1989 at
the Carmel City Meeting Hall .
2i . Gommission to consider pocket 19-B9 ADLS� an Arehitectucal Design�
Lighting a,nd Signage Application fior Firestbne Building Products
located at; 525 Congressional Boulevard. Petitioner wisfies to '
constru�t an enfrance canopy on the west 5ide of tfieit existing
building. No other thanges are requested.
Filed by Kevin Miller, Browning Investments. �
Kevin Mill-er, Browning Investments, 11550 Meridian Ave. , made pr;esentation, a �I
�opy which is on fiile at the Carmel Depar;tment ofi Community DeJe'lopment.
Eleva±ions and rendering ofi building was shown.
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I�� � 19r. Davis read the Industrial & Commer�ial f_cmmiltee riport (which is a pari
1'L::.' •of ttie ofii,cial minutes and ,�tta'�hed to the ,i^aster Cu;,y) .
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' Mr-. Sjor�y moved to suspend the rules and act on this toniqht. �
�11ax� l9oore seconded. � �
Approved 12-0
Mr. Moore moved to approve Docket No. 19-89 as submitted.
11r. Story seconded
� �Approved B-4, Mr. Poiasnik� Mrs. Badger, Dr. Long and Mrs. 11d1ullen voted
aqainst .
3i. Commission to �onsider pocket No. 21-.89 APLS, an Architectural
, Design , Lighfing and Signage AppPication for Wendy 's
International . Petitioner wishes to construct a 410 sq.ft.
addition fior their ezisting building located at 2370 East 116th
Stree#. No additional signaqe requested. ,
Filed by Tony Garcia.
Mr. Tony Ga'rcia, 4265 Business Ctr. Way, Cincinnati , Ohio� ofi Wendy 's
International made presentation, a copy which is on file at the Carmel
Department of Community Development.
A rendering ofi the building, lighting plan and site plan was shown.
— Mr. Potasnik questioned if this is a fran�hise operation? Also what the
square footage would be?
Mr. Garcia stated that Wendy's is company owned and the addition will be 410
sq. fi?. , there will be an additional 96 seats and 10 additional lights.
Mrs. Bad,ger and Mrg. 11cMullen stated concern on the amount ofi lighting that
was being submitted .
Reierred to the I & C committee on April 11 , 1989 at 7:30 P.M. at the City
Meeting Hal'1 .
4i. Commission to es4ablish a committee for an Ordinance Amendment
requested firom the Carmel/Clay Board of Zoning Appeals to allow an
one chair beauty salon as a permitted use under the guidelines and
defimitions of home. o�cupation (sectibn 3.6 page 12 of the
Carmel/Clay Zoning Ordinance) .
Filed by the Depa.rtment of Community Development fior the
Carmel/Clay Board of Zoniqg Ap,peals.
Recommended Executive Committee to take this up at April 11, 1989 Executive
Committee meetinq afiter the su6committee meefing.
•. Mrs. McMullen moved to adjourn the meetinq as tfiere was no fiurther business
_ brought hefore the board.
Mr. Potasnik se.�ontled
Approved 12-0.
The meetin^, kd5 adjourned at 9:44 P.M.