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From: Keesling, Rachel M
$ent: Friday, July 11, 2014 9:36 AM
To: Carol Landing
Cc; 'Matt Bruggeman'; Conn, Angelina V; Mishler, Nicholas F
Subject: RE: Tilted Kiltrestaurant Carmel IN
Attach ments: 14021 TI K_A-5_0,pdf
Hi Carol,
The sign permit application is for the sign vendorto turn in shop drawings for the sign permits.
Niek, please see the attached fa�ade changes. With these changes, Planning &Zoning is ok with the building permit
moving forward (if there was any hold on that).
Thanks,
Rachel
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Planning Administrator
City of Carmei
Department ofCommunity Services -3rd Floor
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
317-571-2417
3T7.5712426 fax
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From: Carol Landing [mailto clandinaCamoda4,com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:33 BM
To: Keesling, Rachel M
Cc: 'Matt Bruggeman'; Conn, Angelina V
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Rachel,
Is this application needed for the zoning approval or is this for the signage vendor when they submit their shop drawings
for the signs?
' Thanks,
Carol
From: Keesling, Rachel M [mailto:rkeeslinR@carmel.in.�ov] � " �"-�` �___—
Sent:Tuesday,July 08, 2014'12:O6:PM
To: Carol Landing
Ca 'Matt Bruggeman'; Conn, Angelina V
Subject: RE`.Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel W
Hi Carol,
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Thank.4 for sending this. Yes, these dimensions are what I needed. The sign size meets the Sign Ordinance requirements,
`so we can move forward. All i need now is a sign permit fiiled out to approve it. Here is a link to the application. Please
let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks,
Rachel
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Planning Administrator
City of Carmel
Department of Community Services- 3rd Floor
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
317-571-2417
317.571.2426 fax
From: Carol Landing [mailto:clandinqCalmoda4.com] ��� � � �
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 11:54 AM
To: Keesling, Rachel M
Cc: 'Matt Bruggeman'; Conn, Angelina V
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Rachel,
Please let me know if these are the dimensions you need and if there is anything else at this point holding up from
getting this signed off.
Thanks so much,
Ca ro I
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from: Keesling, Rachel M [mailto:rkeeslin�(cacarmel.in.�ov]
Sent: Monday,July 07, 2014 3:26 PM
To: Carol Landing
Cc: Matt Bruggeman; Conn, Angelina V
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Hi Carol,
Thank you for sending this over. I'm sorry for the delay in responding. We are glad to hear they will be altering the
fasade to change to all brick. I think that will look very nice. Please see the attached PDF and provide the new
dimensions of the spandrel panel area on this drawing. Once I have that, we should be able to sign off and let them get
moving.
Thanks,
Rachel
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Planning Administrator
City of Carmel
Department of Community Services- 3rd Floor
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One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
317-571-2417
317.571.2426 fax
From: Carol Canding [mailto:dandingCalmoda4.com] � �� �T
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 11:14 AM
To: Keesling, Rachel M; Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Matt eruggeman
Subject: FW: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Rachel,
Any update on this submissions below? Please let us know, as we will be happy to accommodate your requests.
Please note my new mobile number below.
Thanks:
Carol �anding
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Sent: Monday,June 30, 2014 4:17 PM
To: 'Keesling, Rachel M'
Cc: 'Matt Bruggeman'; 'Conn, Angelina V'; 'Paul DiBenedetto'
Subject: RE:Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Rachel,
Please see the attached revised exterior elevations. We are in agreement that the best option is to remove the brick
soldier around the perimeter of the tower and the painted tile and replace all with brick to match. Please see attached
and hopefully we can come to this agreement as the owners are anxious to start their building and get open.The only
other sign option was to possibly replace the existing ground sign ai the street.There is currently a broken down sign
left from the previous'restaurant.This sign would be submitted by the sign vendor under a separate permit and can be
modified to fit within.the cityguidelines.There is no other exterior signage proposed to the exterior of the building.
There will not tie flags or blade signs. That was provided as an overall package of the sign examples that are availa6le.
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1"hanks again for your attention to detail and let me know if you are in agreement with the attached.
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Thanks:
Caroi Landing
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From: Keesling, Rachel M [mailto:rkeeslin�@carmel.in.ROV] { � ^ �
Sent: Monday,June 23, 2014 4:37 PM
To: 'Carol Landing'
Cc: Matt Bruggeman; Conn, Angelina V
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaura�t Carmel IN
Hi Carol and Matt,
I think Angie summed everything up pretty well with her email below. eut to go into more detail: 3 main identification
signs are allowed for this building due to a variance from 2001. That variance was for the number of signs, so the size of
the signs will still have to fit the Sign Ordinance requirements. With that said, I think the best option would be to remove
the middle row of soldier course bricks in order to create a decent size sign band/spandrel panel area for your sign to be
placed on the entry element. I also know there are two different materials there, a tile and a brick. Maybe this is an
opportunity to replace the tile with brick to create a seamless look, and thus removing the issue of crossing over
different architectural features. We would want to see the same treatment applied to all sides of this feature bump
out/entrance. Please see the attached PDF that I have marked up.
If you did not want to modify the building fasade, a few options are to reduce the size of the wall sign to fit the
requirements, or perhaps use the gold Gemini letters here. They look very nice and have a simple straight line that
would work well with the small sign band area. You could also move away from the entry element and have a sign over
the window area on the north elevation. Ttiis would require removing some of the goose neck lights, but it could make
for a nice sign band area.
As Angie stated, we are not in favor of the cabinet style sign proposed.The individual letters in the fiorizontal format is
what we would like to see installed here.The Pub and Eatery portion of the sign should also be individual letters, to
match the main sign. We would be ok with a raceway format,or installed directly to the building fascia. I have gone
through the brandingmanual and the wall sign formats are generally ok, but the sizes are too big.The smallest wail sign
width shown�is 13' 7.25" and the north elevation is 15' S.5", which would make the sign 88%of the width. We only allow
853'0 of the width. (Height is limited to 709'a.)However this size would fit on the west wall elevation right at 85%with a
16' wati. So everything depends on+.thesize of the spandrel panel area on the building. Please take a look at the attached
PDF and work to provide a solution that fits within the Sign Ordinance requirements.
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If you wcere going to install a ground sign, the maximum height we allow is 6'. So the options shown in the book would
hot work. A smaller sign would have to be made to meet the 6' height requirement. We do appreciate (and require)the
stone/masonry base, so it is good to see you've already included that in your design manual.
We are not in favor of the originally proposed tag line sign "A cold beer never looked so good". Wall signs are for
identification, and if there is room within the square footage,tag lines can be included. Since that is most likely not the
case here, we would recommend to install this signage on a window or awning. If it is on an awning,the square footage
would be subtracted from the allowable wall sign square footage. If it is on a window, it can be a maximum of 30% of
the window area, and cannot be illuminated.
Lastly, I saw projecting signs and flag signs in the manual. Are these proposed to be used at this location? Please let me
know as these would be counted as an identification sign, thus taking away wall or ground sign availability.
Please let me know if you have questions regarding any of this.
Tha n ks,
Rachel
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Planning Administrator
City of Carmet
Department of Community Services - 3rd Floor
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
317-571-2417
317.5712426 fax
From: Conn, Angelina V �v �� �� ��
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 4:28 PM
To: 'Carol Landing'
Cc: Keesling, Rachel M; Matt Bruggeman
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Hi, Carol— The day got away from us. Rachel will issue you a detailed email on Monday, but, for now, the major
concems are:
1. that the sign does not fit within the two soldier course brick areas. Right now, the sign is calculated at 100�0 of
the height of the 'spandrel panel' area, and it needs to be at or less than 70%. The sign has to fit in with the
architectural features/elements and not cover them up or extend past them. Here isa link to the sign ordinance
online: http://www.carmel.in.�ov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=2986, and please read the
Single Tenant Building section.
2. Also the cabinet sign option is not permitted, nor looked upon favorably.
So, some options are'that you could modify the sign height, or modify the soldier course brick area in a way that the
brick patterning would 'frame ouY the sign.
I will be available tomorrow if you want to discuss further, but Rachel will be out of the office until Monday.
Sincerely,
Angie Conn,.Planning Administrator
City of Carmel Planning &�ZOning Division
Dept. of Community Services
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1 Civic Square, 3rd Flc, Carmel, IN 46032
Qffice: 3ll-571-2417 � Direct: 317-571-2281 � Fax: 3ll-571-2426 � E-mail: aconnColcarmel.in.00v � Web:
www.carmeldocs.com
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' From: Carol Landing [mailto:clandingC�moda4.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 10:41 AM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Keesling, Rachel M; Matt Bruggeman
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Angie,
Thanks for the reply. I will await her response.
Have a great day,
Ca ro I
From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.ROV] � !�
Sent:Thursday,lune 19, 2014 10:31 AM
To: 'Carol Landing'
Cc: 'Matt Bruggeman'; Keesling, Rachel M
Subject: RE:Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Thanks, Carol.
Rachel Keesling in our office will be able to review that signage proposal today and will issue some comments.
Angie Conn, Planning Administrator
City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division
Dept. of Community Services
1 Civic Square, 3rd Fir., Carmel, IN 4603Z
Office: 317-571-24ll �� Direct: 3ll-571-2281 � Fax: 317-571-2426 � E-mail: aconnCalcarmel.in.aov � Web:
www.carmeldocs.com
Please consider the environment before pnnting this e-mail
From: Carol Landing [mailto:clandingCalmoda4.com] �� �� �
Sent: Tuesday,June 17, 2014 1:37 PM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Cc: 'Matt Bruggeman'; Keesling, Rachel M
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Angie,
Attached are the tilted Kilt sign specs as well as a sketch of 2 options for the exterior sign. Option 1 would be a
constructed sign box with lit letters. Option 2 is to do ihe individual letters in a line to stay within the existing sign area.
Please review the attacliments and comment. In regard to the roof we are not replacing any equipment on the roof, it is
all existing to remain.
Thanks,
Ca ro I
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From: Conn, Angelina V [maiito:Aconn@carmel.in.aov]
Sent:Tuesday,June 17, 2014 11:37 AM
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To: 'CarplLanding'
Cc: 'Matt Bruggeman'; Keesling, Rachel M
Subject: RE:Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Hi, Carol–
I forgot to mention: Please also look at ways to screen the rooftop mounted mechanical equipment, too.
Thanks,
Angie Conn, Planning Administretor
City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Division
Dept. of Community Services
i Civic Square, 3rd Flr., Carmel, 1N 46032
Office: 3ll-571-2417 � Direct: 3ll-571-2281 � Fax: 3ll-571-2426 � Emaii: aconnC�carmel.in.00v � Web:
www.carmeldocs.com
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From: Conn, Angelina V �
Sent: Tuesday, ]une 17, 2014 11:34 AM
To: 'Carol Landing'
Cc: Matt Bruggeman; Keesling, Rachel M
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Thank you for working with us, Carol.
Angie Conn, Planning Administretor
City of Carmel Planning & Zoning�Division
Dept. of Community Services
i Civic Square, 3rd Flr., Carmel, W 46032
Offfce: 317-571-2417 � Direct: 3ll-571-2281 � Fax: 3ll-571-2426 I E-maii: aconnCalcarmel.in.00v � Web:
www.carmeldocs.com
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From: Carol Landing [mailto:clanding@moda4.com] ���
Sent: Tuesday, ]une 17, 2014 9:46 AM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Matt Bruggeman
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Good Morning Angie,
We are working with Tilted Kilt Corporate on how they want to handle the sign. In adrlition see my responses below. We
are working to get this back to you soon as we appreciate you looking at this internally. I will forward new drawings to
you as soon as we are complete with these changes. Thank you again for the quick feedback.
Thanks,
Ca ro I
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From: Conn, Angelina,V [mailto:ACOnn(q)carmel.in.�ov]
Sent:Thursday,June 12, 2014 1:i5 PM
To: 'Carol Landing'
Cc: Keesling, Rachel,M
Subject: RE:Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
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Hi; Carpl— Trying to see if we can get all this addressed internally/administratively... Here are some preliminary review
comments I have for you:
1. Wouidn't it make sense make all of the metal areas be a black, OR be a da�k green? Right now there is a mix of
Roycroft Bottle Green and Black Magic. (Case in point—the metal canopy below the wall sign is black, but the metal
toof will be green.) We will be changing them all to black
2. On the East (actually, it is the West) elevation , please add in a brick border at the bottom of that glass block infill
area, to continue what is going on with those window flanking each side. Will do
3. On the South (actually, it is the North) elevation, please provide more details about the EIFS areas just below the
green metal roof. What color will that be? And why can't it just be stone, or just extend the windows all the way up
to the metal roof area? Right now, it looks awkward. We have removed the EIFS and will use the same stone above
4. On the South �actually, it is the North) elevation—what color will the smooth face sign band be?Also,what
material will it be? Lastly, is it even needed?See detail 03/A-6.0 it is a Fypon material and is part of the Tilted Kilt
Corporate tlesign.
5. Wall sign—as I emailed you below, the sign needs to fit within the architectural elements and detailing of that
'tower' area. Please revise the sign layout, or perhaps modify that brick area/patterning behind the sign. We are
working out this detai� and will resend soon
Sincerely,
Angie Conn, Planning Administrator
City of Carmel Planning &Zonin9 Division
Dept. Of COmmUnity ServiCeS
i Civic Square; 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032
Office: 317-571-2417 � Direct: 317-571-2281 � fax: 317-571-2426 � E-mail: aconn(alcarmel.in.qov � Web:
www.carmeldocs.com
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From: Carol Landing [mailto:clanding@moda4.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:19 PM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Mishler, Nicholas F; Keesling, Rachel M
Subject: RE: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Angie,
Thank you ve�y much for the quick reply. I will review and modify the signage. I look forward to hearing from you
regarding the approval process timeline.
Thanks,
Carol Landing
Project Director
MODA4 Design
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From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:ACOnn(a)carmel.in.aov]
Sent: Wednesday,June 11, 2014 2:53 PM
To: 'Carol Landing'
Cc: Mishler, Nicholas F; Keesling, Rachel M
Subject: RE:Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Thank you, Carol—
I would have no issues with you getting permits for the interior work, while we review the exterior proposed changes....
We in the Planning Dept. will review the architectural elevation changes this week. I will let you know very soon what
timeline and approval process you will need with the Planning Dept. ; and it will be administrative approval or Plan
Commission Committee approval.
As a heads up,we will ask you to change the proposed brick patterning behind the wall sign.This area needs to 'frame'
the sign, in a way. Right now, the proposed soldier course brick runs right behind the sign, and the sign seems like an
afterthought. The sign ordinance requires that the building design, and its architectural features, accommodate for a
sign location.The sign ordinance is online at:
httq://www.carmel.in.aov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=2986 . Also, here is a link to the Sign
Ordinance Visual Guide: http://www.carmel.in.gov/MOdules/ShowDocument.asqx?documentid=3303 .
Angie Conn, Planning Administrator
City of Carmei Planning &Zoning Division
Dept. of Community Services
1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032
Office; 317-571-24ll � Direct: 3ll-571-2281 � Fax: 317-571-2426 � E-mail: aconnC�lcarmel.in.aov � Web:
www.carmeldocs.com
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From: Carol Landing [mailto:clandingCa�moda4.com] � i���'� �
Sent: Wednesday, ]une 11, 2014 2:37 PM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: Tilted Kilt restaurant Carmel IN
Attached are the architectural drawings showing the revised sunroom on the front of the building. We are keeping
within the same building footprint just revising the brick to stone and putting on a new metal roof and new window
openings. We have the CDR for this as I mentioned but have not submitted to the city yet.That is one of my questions to
you also,can we submit to the city whi�e it is in for zoning approval?
Thanks,
Carol Landing
Project Direcror
MODA4 Design
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