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10505 N. College Ave | Indianapolis, IN 46280 |.www.weihe.net | (317) 846-6611 | (800) 452-6408 | Fax: (317) 843-0546
Allan H. Weihe, P.E., L.S., - Founder
January 21, 2016
Dear Neighbors,
First of all, thanks again to each of you for attending the Neighborhood Meeting hosted by
Traders Point Christian Church on January 6, 2016. We enjoyed meeting you and appreciate
your interest in this site and how it relates to your community.
At that Neighborhood Meeting, you asked many great questions and we really appreciate the
discussions. We want this project to be a success and an integral part of your community.
We developed a list of questions and concerns from the meeting, and subsequent
communications to myself and the Carmel Planning Department. We received a copy of a
letter yesterday from the City of Carmel and we have tried to incorporate those concerns in
this letter as well. We have taken all of the concerns very seriously and have included a
potential solution for each. Below is the list of concerns and the resolution:
1. What does the new pond side slopes look like compared to the existing pond
slopes?
We have generated some cross-sections of the proposed pond and the existing pond.
See Attachment #1. This drawing shows the three cross-section locations from the
proposed parking lot expansion at the north end of the site, across the pond to the
northern property line. The cross-sections have the same scale of 1”=30’. In order
to get all of this information on a single sheet, this is on a 24” x 36” sheet.
2. Can the proposed northern parking islands be removed if additional detention
storage is needed?
We have discussed this with the City of Carmel. They will allow this to be done if the
additional storage is needed. The proposed plant material in those islands will need
to be distributed elsewhere on the site. We are working with the Carmel Engineering
Department and the Hamilton County Surveyor’s office for approval of the proposed
drainage system. These islands will be removed if it is determined that additional
storage volume is necessary.
3. Proposed southern parking lot
a. Can this parking lot drain to the pond without adding additional water
to the western neighbors’ yards?
b. Can this parking lot drain into the existing 136th Street storm sewer
system?
c. Can this parking lot drain to the east directly into the existing pond
outlet pipes?
d. Can this parking lot not be constructed and shuttle people from a
neighboring location?
e. Can this parking lot drain to the pond and not affect the existing row of
evergreen trees along the western property line?
f. Can the existing evergreen trees be saved?
We feel that we have come up with a solution that will answer these questions so we
have lumped them all together. According to the existing topography, nearly all of
the existing greenspace on the south side of the existing church building drains to the
west. It goes over the existing asphalt exit drive and into the existing swale that
drains to the north into the existing dry pond. We were originally showing the
proposed parking area to continue to drain the same way. After hearing concerns
about the existing swale, we are now going to be proposing that the storm water from
new parking lot on the south side of the building will collect into a storm inlet within
the new parking lot and be piped along the opposite side of the existing drive away
from the existing evergreen trees. This storm pipe will be installed between the
asphalt pavement and the building to the pond. See Attachment #2. This new storm
system will now collect the water that used to drain across the greenspace to the
western swale. This entire area that used to drain to the western swale will now be
diverted directly to the pond through the proposed storm pipe system. This new
storm pipe system will still need to be designed and submitted to the City of Carmel
for review. Since the drainage can be resolved, this will eliminate the need to shuttle
people at this time to the church. With the proposed storm pipe being installed along
the east side of the drive away from the evergreen trees, this shouldn’t affect the
existing evergreen trees and they will remain in place.
4. Can the additional lighting be eliminated?
The church has concerns about the safety of people walking to and from their cars in
the parking lots and also driving throughout the site. Traders Point Christian
Church feels strongly about improving the current lighting situation to see those
safety concerns addressed. The City of Carmel has lighting requirements for the
allowed lighting levels (called footcandles) at the property lines. See Attachment #3.
These requirements have been met with the proposed Photometric plan. However
after hearing your concerns, the church has agreed to add cutoff shields to the
fixtures on the new light poles so that the LED lighting source will be shielded.
We hope this summary and exhibits helps to explain how each of these concerns will be
addressed. If you have further concerns or questions, please do not hesitate to call me or
Traders Point Christian Church.
Sincerely,
Mark L. Thorpe, R.L.A.
Sr. Project Manager, Commercial Development
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