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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 05-19-1987 CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 19, 1987 1 1 1 The regular meeting of the Carmel Plan Commission was called to order by the vice president, Jeff Davis, at 7: 34 P.M. , May 19, 1987 at the City Meet- ing Hall. The meeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance. Roll was called and members present were: Richard Albright (arrived 8: 00) , Sandra Long, Max Moore , Sue McMullen, Bob Boone , Paul Ayers, Ila Badger, Jim Schneider, Minnie Doane , Jim O'Neal and Henrietta Lamb. Vaughn Story was absent. Staff members present were: Chuck. Kiphart, Dave Rickard, Gordon Byers and Rosalind McCart. There were no additions or corrections to the minutes of the April 21 , 1987 meeting and Miss Doane moved that they be approved as submitted. Seconded by Mr. Boone. Motion carried. Mrs. Badger announced that on June 9, 1987 at 7: 30 P.M. at the City Meet- ing Hall the Grading Ordinance Committee will meet and asked the following people to participate: Dick Albright, Vaughn Story, Paul Ayers , Jim O'Neal and Bob Boone. On Wednesday, June 10, 1987 , the 421 Corridor Committee will meet at 7: 30 P.M. at the City Meeting Hall. Mrs. McMullen informed that the Paul Estridge property rezone on S. Range Line Rd. was unanimously approved by the City Council. G. Public Hearings lg. 7: 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 41-87 P.P. , Primary Plat Appli cation for Kingswood Subdivision consisting of 221 lots on 102.1 acres Site is zoned S-2 and is located on the east side of Gray Rd. approx. 2 mile south of 116th St. in Clay Twp. Filed by Ray Roehling for Kingswood, Inc. Mr. Roehling was present. The public hearing opened at 7:40 with Mr. Jim Nelson making the present- ation. An aerial map was presented to show location. The primary plat was shown. Sidewalks will be located within the subdivision. Lots will be 12, 000 - 39,000 sq. ft. in size and the price will range from $170, 000 to $225, 000. Primary entrances will be on N. Gray Rd. The south entrance rendering was presented to show entrance treatment. The improvements to N. Gray Rd. are on file in the Dept. of Community Dev- elopment. This is to be a low density residential subdivision. The public hearing closed at 7:48. This item was referred to the Subdivision Committee for review on June 2, 1987 at 7: 30 P.M. at the City Meeting Hall. 2g. 7: 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 42-87 P.P. , Primary Plat Appli cation for Lexington Farms, a proposed cluster subdivision consisting of 272 lots on 89.7 acres. Site is zoned R-1 and a portion R-3 and is located between 111th St. and 106th St. immediately west of the rail- road tracks in Clay Twp. Filed by Dean Ziegler for Davis Development Corp. Charles Davis , president and principal share holder, and Dean Ziegler and Chris White , Paul I. Cripe, Inc. , were present. The public hearing opened at 7:50 with Mr. Jim Nelson making the present- ation. An aerial photo was presented to show location (formerly the Settles prop- erty) and surrounding land uses. This area is to be developed as a residential subdivision of 272 family homesites. — "CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 19, 1987 Page. 2 The Settles home will be retained and the pool house and swimming pool and will be incorporated in what will become the primary amenity area. The site and landscape plans were presented. There will be sidewalks on 106th St. as well as on 111th St. and roadway improvements will be made at the main entrances and accel-decel lanes will be installed. The Development Plan is being presented under the Cluster Option. The entrance detail for 111th and 106th Streets was shown. Single family detached homes of tudor, ranch and traditional types will be represented. R-1 standards are met. Jim Steckley, 5829 E. 116th St. , stated he feels this is a step forward for the area. Richard Kelly, 11006 Willowmere Dr. , questioned the water facility and if the sewers can handle this project and what is it going to do to the streets as they are bad enough now. Mr. Kelly also questioned lot size and the price range of the homes. Rosalind McCart, 10925 Beechwood Dr. , stated that she is not opposed to the project but is concerned about construction beginning in the area before the sewer project is completed and the roads are repaired. Skip stone, 106th St. , stated that too many homes are proposed for this small an area. Denise Moore , 10845 McPhearson, stated concern for the sewers and the number of people in the area and asked if there is a utility easement through the area and if the width is 100 ft. Dean Ziegler, 8200 Haverstick Rd. , responded in regard to the sewers that they have approval for the homes and that there will be city water. Improvements will be make to 106th and 111th Streets. The price range will be from $70 ,000 to 130,000. The petitioner plans to start the project the first to mid August of this year. The public hearing closed at 8: 35. This item was referred to the Subdivision Committee for review on June 2, 1987 at the City Meeting Hall. Mr. Albright assumed the chair. 3g. 7:30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 43-87 P.V. , A Plat Vacation Request for the portion of College Park Subdivision north of I-465. Petitioner requests the vacation of 259 of the 656 original platted lots. Site is zoned S-2 and is located on the N. W. corner of I-465 and College Ave . in Clay Twp. Filed by Samuel A. Gillespie for Crow-Indianapolis, Ltd. Mr. Gillespie, local partner, was present. in The public hearing opened at 8: 37 with Mr. Nelson making the presentation support of the petitioner' s proposal of plat vacation for development of an office park. This is the first time a plat vacation has come before the Carmel Plan Commission. Location was shown. They request to vacate the plat covenants and commitments for the portion of College Park Subdivision that lies north of I-465. Zoning remains R-1. An aerial photo was presented of the I-465 and U. S. 31 location of the College Park Subdivision of originally 656amallhowing lots. the The plat of College Park as it exists today was shown. Mr. Nelson related that if this is approved the petitioner plans to come to the Plan Commission for a rezone for an office park. The conceptual site development plan was presented. Mr. Nelson related the purpose of the original platting and explained the reasons for not developing to date . CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 19, 1987 Page 3 11 t) The location is in a transitional land use area in the southern entrance to the Carmel community. Mr. Boone asked to be removed from consideration of this matter. Mr. Byers explained what Mr. Nelson and the petitioner have filed accord- ing to statutory procedure and stated that, in his opinion, Mr. Nelson has complied with what the legislature placed in the law in that he has filed the appropriate legal documents describing the real estate. He has tendered to the Plan Commission a document indicating his reasons to vacate the plat and the covenants. He has also tendered to us a copy of the covenants and com- mitments that he wishes to vacate. He has indicated what the interest of the peitiioner is and he has indicated the contract sellers or certain individual who are selling to the entity that is the petitioner. He has also tendered to us a certified list of surrounding property owners certified by the Ham- ilton County Auditor of individuals who are to be given notice and property owners that are interested parties pursuant to the vacation proceeding as described In the statute. Mr. Nelson has put together and tendered proposed findings of fact to the Plan Commission and they follow the evidence that he has made tonight. Mr. Byers said this hearing is before the Plan Commission because the legislature described the Plan Commission as the appropriate body in a municiple entity to entertain and hold a hearing. Mr. Byers stated that this matter should then go to committee. Mr. Kiphart said that this matter should follow the process of going to the Technical Advisory Committee and to the Subdivision Committee and then back to the Plan Commission. Mr. Kiphart explained that there are certain specific areas in the Comp- rehensive Plan within Carmel and Clay Twp. that the Plan Commission left open to make a final decision in these areas as to what an appropriate change in zoning might be and that those recommendations would be based on a concept that might be presented with a request to rezone and that this particular area is one of those transition areas. Mrs. Betty Hawkins, 10240 N. Delaware, President of Northridge Neighbor- hood Assn. , said they prefer that this land remains residential, but if the Plan Commission ultimately decides that the land would best be used for an office complex their prime concern is that the plat remains in tact along with its covenants and restrictions until the Plan Commission has a firm site plan from Trammell-Crow as well as traffic studies, a report on sewer capacit buffer areas etc. Until the Commission is completely convinced that College Park should be rezoned for business, the residents need the protection that the plat and covenant now affords them. Mrs. Hawkins said they want a firm commitment from the petitioner and the county stating that their neighborhood streets will not be used as access to their development. They want to know how they will enter and exit their own already established neighborhood and also a substantial buffer is necessary. Mrs. Hawkins said that for these reasons they request a continuance of this hearing until such time that this commission can make a thorough study of all the consequences of rezoning College Park. John George , 10109 Broadway, one of the adjacent property owners , said he felt this would be residential when he bought there 30 yrs. ago. Mr. George said he respects the fact that perhaps some changes are going to be made but they want to know what these changes represent. Mr. George said he is con- cerned about property devaluations and wants the Plan Commission to either postpone this until they have something more detailed as to dimensions of buildings before rezoning. Ron Weise , 10129 N. New Jersey, said he enjoys the natural area there now and wants the petitioner to consider keeping the area natural. Jim Ogle , 10225 N. Delaware , stated concern regarding traffic from all the developments. Kathy Godfried, corner of 101st and College , stated concern about where the entrance from College to this addition will be, relating that traffic is bad now. L'C' RMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 19, 1987 Page 4 Larry Wessner, 10204 N. New Jersey, expressed concern about the foliage to the south and asked to know more about the buffer between Northridge and this development. Betty Hawkins, 10240 N. Delaware, asked why can't the Plan Commission vacate the plat and rezone at the same time. Mr. Albright related that they have not petitioned to rezone at this time. Mrs. McMullen stated that all the Plan Commission is doing is vacating a plat and that the petitioner still has to prove his case for a rezone. Mr. Nelson clarified that they are before the Commission to vacate the pla stating that the development plan was shown only to show the high development quality of the petitioner. Mr. Nelson said he feels it is in the public' s best interest to vacate the plat and it could be conditioned on the fact that Trammell-Crow would within 90 days file with the Plan Commission an appli- cation to rezone and supported by the applicable covenants and containing a final site development plan. The difference between Trammell-Crow and Crow-Indianapolis was questioned. Mr. Gillespie said it is merely a cover for the entire company and the Crow-Indianapolis is the local company operated by Mr. Gillespie. Mrs. Betty Hawkins, 10240 N. Delaware , stated concern for covenants for them until the Plan Commission is satisfied w.th the plat they are presenting The surrounding property was questioned by Mrs. Badger. Mr. Schneider, Plan Commission member, said he owns this property and has no financial interest in this matter before us. Mr. Byers said he will present to the Plan Commission at the next meeting regarding what financial interest is , direct or indirect. Members questioned regarding vacationing plats and covenants. Mr. Nelson explained. Mr. Ayers said the committee would like to have a copy of the covenants that exist. Mr. Kiphart asked if vacating the plat automatically gets rid of all the road right-of-ways and all the drainage easements. Mr. Nelson said yes , but not the legal drains. It gets rid of everything that is platted. Mr. Kiphart asked if you are going to be building commercial roads through Northridge why isn't that also being vacated. Mr. Nelson related that Northridge was created many years ago by College Park and in the original deeds from the original grantor of these lots, a restriction was put in those deeds restricting the use for residential pur ose only. Mr. Nelson said you can't vacate covenants in a deed. p Mr. Nelson stated that the Clara Knotts Drain ties into their drainage plar, The public hearing closed at 9:27,. This item was referred to the Subdivision Committee for review on June 2, 1987 at the City Meeting Hall. Mr. Albright asked Mrs. Lamb to sit in on this committee for the June 2 meeting. H. Old Business lh. Commission to consider Docket No. 32-87 P. P. , Primary Plat Application for Smokey Knoll, Sec. 2, consisting of 88 lots on 42. 66 acres. Site is zoned R-1 and is located on the N.W. corner of 136th St. and Gray Rd. in Carmel, IN. Filed by Richard Fisher for SAFCO Development. Mr. Stan Neal was present. Mr. Schneider gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) . The committee recom- mended approval and Mr. Schneider so moved. Seconded by Mr. Davis. Findings of fact were completed by members. Motion carried unanimously. CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 19, 1987 Page 5 115 2h. Commission to consider Docket No. 35-87 Z , Rezone Application for a 10.52 acre parcel located on the west side of N. Michigan Rd. (S.R. 421 approx. 1000 ft. north of 106th St. in Clay Twp. , Indiana. Filed by John S. Pearson III. Mr. Coots was present. Mrs. Badger gave the Land Use Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) . The committee recommended approval and Mrs. Badger so moved. Seconded by Dr. Long. Findings of fact were completed by members. Motion carried unanimously and a favorable recommendation will be sent to the City Council. 3h. Commission to consider Docket No. 36-87 P.P. , Primary Plat Application for Smokey Ridge , Sections 2-6, consisting of 115 lots on 68 acres. Site is zoned R-1 and located on the N.W. corner of 136th St. and Carey Rd. in Carmel , IN. Filed by Paul R. Lipps and D. Craig Sharpe. Mr. Davis Coots was present. Mr. Ayers gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) . The committee recommended approval subject to an off site drainage agreement being reached and the PSI easement now owned by Mrs. Hazel Foster be quick claim deeded over to the adjacent land owner in order to allow a through street connection with the adjoining subdivision and Mr. Ayers so moved. Seconded by Mr. Schneider. Mr. Kiphart asked for a copy of the quick claim deed recorded in the court house on the PSI easement to the north and stated that the off site drainage easement needs to be resolved and asked that the primary plat be approved to- nightconditional on those two items being submitted to his office and that a secondary plat not be submitted to the Plan Commission until these two items are resolved. Mr. Coots responded stating that they will work with Mr. Kiphart' s office or the Technical Advisory Committee and Mr. Byers if there is anything else that needs to be resolved. Mr. Kiphart said be it easement or agreement they want something binding on this no matter who owns the property in the future. Mr. Kiphart stated that just an agreement between two property owners is not strong enough to assure proper off site drainage for these subdivisions. Mr. Kiphart said that Mr. Byers and Mr. Andrews did indicate that there was a way to put the proper terminology in those agreements that would serve the same purpose as an easement. Mr. Davis stated that no more conditional approvals are to come to the Plan Commission for Primary Plat. Mr. Coots said there will not be a Secondary Plat filed until this matter is resolved. Findings of fact were completed by members. Motion carried unanimously for conditional approval. 4h. Commission to consider Docket No. 37-87 ADLS, Architectural Design, Lighting and Signage Application for Carmel Medical Center, a 28,174 sq. ft. medical office building. The 2.61 acre site is zoned i-8 and is located on the east side of Medical Drive directly south of Flanner Buchanan Funeral Home in Carmel, IN. Filed by Dale Sollenberger for Drs. Richards and Glanzman. THIS ITEM WAS WITHDRAWN BY MR. JIM NELSON ON MAY 7 , 1987. 5h. Commission to consider Docket No. 38-87 D.P. , Development Plan Appli- cation for Meridian Park Place, a 29,600 sq. ft. general office build- ing. The 3.21 acre site is zoned B-2/U.S. 31 Corridor and is located """c`AKIVIEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - 19 , 1987 Page 6 on the west side of N. Meridian St. (U.S. 31) approx. 2000 ft. north of Old Meridian St. in Clay Twp. , Indiana. Filed by Robert Lauth for Meridian Park Associates. Mr. Coots was present. Mr. Boone gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report and stated that no action was taken at the committee meeting and that the petitioner is to have a full report to present to the Plan Commission this evening. Mr. Kiphart related that all the things discussed at committee meeting have been resolved and that he now feels they have _a complete file. Mr. Coots made the presentation regarding the issues at hand. There will be a 30 ft. buffer installed. Signage does conform to the ordinance. There will be no directory sign until there are 7 tenants. The landscape plan was presented. Air conditioners and all mechanical equipment will be screened on top of the building (screened on all 4 sides in the center area of the building) . There is only one mechanical unit for this building. All trash will be on the interior. Mr. Boone moved that Docket No. 38-87 D. P. be approved subject to the Board of Zoning Appeals Variance approval. Seconded by Dr. Long. Motion carried with Mr. Albright voting NO. 6h. Commission to consider Docket No. 40-87 S. P. , Secondary Plat Appli- cation for Woodgate, Sec. 3, consisting of 38 lots on 22 acres. The site is zoned R-1 and is located south of 146th St. and north of the existing Cool Creek North Subdivision in Carmel , IN. Filed by Robert Langston. Mr. Stuart Huckleberry was present. Mrs. McMullen relatedthat she had asked Mr. Langston to be present this evening and that she is not willing to vote unless he is present. Mrs. McMullen said she would like this item tabled until Mr. Langston is present. Mr. Davis Coots, counsel for Mr. Langston, was present. Mr. Huckleberry said the plats for Woodgate, Sections I and II have been recorded and these streets are dedicated right of ways and it would be a problem to shut off completely a dedicated right of way. Mr. Huckleberry explained the road routing procedure being used to dis- courage people from using the southern entrance to Woodgate. Mrs. McMullen stated that they are not to go through Cool Creek North and that they still are and that the Plan Commission was promised that this would not happen. Mr. Coots spoke regarding this problem and said there is a limit to which the developer can police what you seek that he control and if we are goin permit the opening up of sections of a development, such as Woodgate, whereto there are completed houses that are sold, these people have the right to the access to the public thoroughfares that are dedicated. Discussion followed. Mr. Kiphart said that all information has been presented and it is in con- formance with the Primary Plat that was approved and the Carmel Subdivision Regulations. Mr. Davis moved approval of Docket No. 40-87 S. P. for Woodgate , Section 3. Seconded by Mr. Ayers. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. John West of Pizza King was present asking that the commission hear his request for restaurant remodeling this evening. Mr. Kiphart explained that staff had met with them a month ago and there was missing information that was needed and that the petitioner did not get it in in time to be included in the agenda for this evening. CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES- MAY 19, 1987 Page 7 117 Mr. Kiphart stated that staff needs time to review this information before it goes to the Plan Commission and to committee. Mr. Ayers moved to sent this matter to committee. Seconded by Mr. Davis. Motion carried with Mrs. Badger voting NO. Mr. Kiphart announced that staff member, Dave Rickard, is resigning effective June 12, 1987. There being no further business to. come before the Commission, the meet- ing adjourned. President Secretary