HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes TAC 12-22-93 TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES
December 22, 1993
Members present were: Rick Brandau, Dave Cumnningham, and Mark Monroe of Department
of Community Development; Jose Kreutz, Hamilton County Highway; Jerry Liston, Hamilton
County Surveyor's Office;Dan Davenport,IPL;Randy Powell, City Engineer's Office; Jeff Autry,
Indiana Gas; John South, Hamilton County Soil & Water Conservation Department; LuAnna
Stephens, Carmel-Clay 9-1-1 Communications; and John Duffy, Cannel Utilities.
THE RESERVE AT SPRINGMILL
Petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat) to plat
Street.lots
Filed 33.9 by Picres of land ttman Partnerscated on the east
side of Springmill Road, just south of 106th
Paul Claire of Schneider Engineering, and Steve Pittman appeared before the Committee on behalf
of the Petitioner and gave a brief overview of the project. The petitioners have addressed the
concerns of adjoining neighbors and negotiated off-site easements. The major change in the plat
is that a stub street is no longer planned on Millridge Drive; it will be a cul-de-sac. Most all
comments of the County Surveyor and County Highway have been addressed.
COMMENTS
- County Highway, Jose Kreutz stated that the revised plan addresses all concerns but one
which is landscaping and mounding adjacent to right-of-way--County Highway wants
exclusive easement parallel to public right-of-way; letter given
sewerpetitioner
of right-of-way,
by Jose. Paul Claire responded that petitioner has moved
drainage will be handled in right-of-way for the right-of-way; drainage opposite the
mounding is not a concern. Petitioner agrees to provide 10 foot area with no plantings for
oot area
utilities. Jose would like statement
of 20 foot laegarding 10ndscape ape easement rather than blanket
be clear of
plantings; would like to see 10 overlap p
common area; storm connection to the east is not acceptable.
- City Utilities, Randy Powell expressed concern with combined drainage/utility easement
in greenbelt buffer.
- Hamilton County Surveyor, Jerry Liston referred petitioner to letter from Steve Cash;
wants to see lateral stamped in curb for identification in future--to be included in detail.
- County Soil & Water, John South expressed concern re storm sewer in right-of-way--not
acceptable--subdivision should not drain into roadside ditch. Petitioner will address in
secondary. Rear of lots 34 thru 37 drainage
n inadequate;
fodentran e detail off Spnngmed;
-Indpls. Power & Light, Dan Davenport stated need
may need additional easement;may need poles moved--petitioner to be responsible for pipe
line easement.
- Indiana Gas, Jeff Autry needs updated plans.
- City Utilities, John Duffy no comment.
- DOCD, Dave Cunningham, no comment.
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BAYHILL & BROOKFIELD AT WATERSTONE PRIMARY PLAT - /'
Petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat) to plat 154 lots on 81.72 acres of land located on the
south side of 126th Street, approximately one-half mile east of Gray Road. The site is zoned S-1.
Filed by Waterstone Lane Company.
Jim Nelson, attorney, Ursell Cox of Brenwick Development, and Dave Sexton of Schneider
Engineering appeared before the Commit-tee on behalf of the petitioner.
- COMMENTS:
- City Engineer, Randy Powell wants easement for storm drainage,no problem proceeding
with primary plat--will reserve comments on infrastructure until receipt of complete
development plans at secondary stage.
- Communications, LuAnna Stephens stated streets OK
- County Surveyor, Jerry Liston no comment.
- IPL, Dan Davenport, no comment.
- City Utilities, John Duffy re sanitary sewer, will work with City Engineer regarding
access to lift station.
- County Soil & Water, John South expressed concern regarding off-site drainage.
- DOCD, Dave Cunningham reiterated Mike Hollibaugh's landscape comments; petitioner
stated Salsbury Bros. working on landscape.
- Communications, LuAnna stated Springbrook Run name needs to be changed with street
direction—petitioner to get new street names and numbers will be assigned ASAP.
- County Surveyor, Jerry Liston no comment.
- IPL, Dan Davenport no comment.
STONEWICK SECTION 2 SECONDARY PLAT
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 47 lots on 17.27 acres of land located
approximately one-quarter mile east of Gray Road,just north of 116th Street. The site is zoned
R-2 residential. Filed by Waterstone Land Company.
- COMMENTS:
- DOCD, Dave Cunningham stated water main hydrant location needs to be approved.
- IPL, Dan Davenport stated easement between lots 112 and 113 need to be changed.
- City Engineer,Randy Powell concurs with timing problem re various phases--some plans
do not show sanitary sewer; each plan should stand on its own. Does not see any reason
for plat to be held up. Advised petitioner of casting requirement for sanitary sewer revised
from 23 5/8" diam. to 26 diam.
- Communication, LuAnna states street names OK.
- City Engineer, Jerry Liston no comment.
- County Soil & Water, John South stated easement on lots 25 and 26 not shown on plat;
erosion control plan needed; storm sewers currently not installed, need seeding and
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mulching; need erosion control protection for two sets of inlets into Cool Creek during
construction period, suggest sandbag type, larger stone, e
- IPL, Dan Davenport stated easement needs to be larger.
- City Utilities, John Duffy agreed with City Engineer regarding timing factor on various
phases.
BAYHILL SECTION 3b SECONDARY PLAT
to plat seeks approval (Secondary Plat) 30 lots on 35.96 acres of land located
aopproximately one-quarter mile east of Gra Road,just south of 126th Street. The site is zoned
S-2 residential. Filed by Waterstone Land Company.
- COMMENTS:
- Communications, LuAnna Stephens no comment
- County Soil & Water, John South expressed
egrading and show temporary seeding
equate
identification of lots for compaction and footers; plans should
designation shown on other plans.
- IPL, Dan Davenport, no comment
- City Engineer, Randy Powell, see comments on Stonewick Section 2.
BAYHILL SECTION 5 SECONDARY PLAT
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 26 lots on 42.58 acres of land located
approximately one-quarter mile east of Gray Road,just south of 126th Street. The site is zoned
S-2 residential. Filed by Waterstone Land Company.
- COMMENTS:
- County Soil &Water, John South concern regarding drainage on Gray Rd, would suggest
another inlet--petitioner says they is mounding more substantial plan of action, says plan
nt, no improvements to be made in
right-of-way at Gray Road. South would prefer
shows deficiency. Petitioner states no drainage problem at present, South says cannot
substantiate; wants Right-of-Way seeded behind lots 144 thru 146.
- City Engineer,Randy Powell advised petitioner to make sure existing homes have access
to sanitary sewer; outlets that abut Gray Road need access to sanitary sewer.
- DOCD, Dave Cunningham, no comment
WINDPOINTE SECTION 4 SECONDARY PLAT
Petitoner seeks approval (Secondary Nat) to plat 24 lots on
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6th Street. oflland The tllocaefisted just S of 1
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of Gray Road, approximately one-quarter mile north of
residential. Filed by Waterstone Land Company.
- COMMENTS:
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- DOCD, Dave Cunningham reiterated request for name change of cul-de-sac from
Woodsbay Court to Woodsbay Place (Dec. 1992).
- City Engineer, Randy Powell, see prior comments on previous section.
- County Soil & Water, John South states low area behind lot 80, petitioner to show
drainage structure; grading and erosion control need to be done; lot 86 question on
drainage, petitioner says swale runs to the back of 86, 87, 88, also beehive, and 89. Lake
needs to be identified with high water elevation on both sets of plans.
- IPL, Dan Davenport, no comment.
HUNTERSFIELD SECONDARY PLAT
Petitioner seeks approval (Secondary Plat) to plat 58 lots on 41.5 acres of land located on the
southeast corner of 106th Street and Shelbourne Road. The site is zoned S-1 residential. Filed
by Balamor Land Company.
Present for the petitioner were Peter P. Hawryluk of Balamor Land Company; Brian Waltz and
Jerry Carter of Fink, Roberts and Petrie, Engineers. The petitioner has submitted plans to all
governmental agencies and has received comments from the County Highway, Surveyor, and Fire
Department. Petitioner is providing storm detention on site (2.3 acre pond) which will outlet to
south through "The Greens" project by Davis Development. Water will be provided by
Indianapolis Water Co.; sanitary sewer service through Clay Regional Waste.
- COMMENTS:
- Communications, LuAnna Stephens says streets are fine.
- County Highway, Jose Kreutz referred to his letter of 12-20 to petitioner; secondary plat
not submitted with construction plans; primary plat has been reviewed. Drainage and
utility easement parallel to Right-of-Way along Shelbourne and 106th Streets must be an
exclusive easement, free of mounding and landscaping. Highway requests that petitioner
widen Shelbourne Road along section that fronts Huntersfield to a full 12 foot shoulder,
(developer of"The Greens" has been asked to do the same); Highway asks that petitioner
construct outlet to "The Greens" prior to approval; Mr. Hawryluk will review. Jose states
matter must be resolved prior to approval.
- County Surveyor, Jerry Liston referred to Steve Cash's letter of 12-20; Liston has not
reviewed plans. Jerry Liston, re Steve Cash letter of 12-20 Liston has not reviewed plans,
will get back with Brian Waltz. Storm sewer request to be regulated drain, petitioner to
comply; structure data table to show on developmet plan; emergency spillway shown on
plans, petitioner to install animal guard.
- Soil & Water Conservation, John Souh stated that pipes at water line need to be lowered.
Petitionmer to look at again.
- Indiana Gas, Jeff Autry needs updated plans; need contact person for construction of
conduits for power lines--petitioner to advise upon selection of contractor.
- IPL, Dan Davenport stated petitioner may need to move utility poles when road is
widened on east side of Shelbourne, petitioner to look into.
- DOCD, Dave Cunningham suggested easement along right-of-way for utility, drainage,
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and landscape--to be worked out with County Highwayt. Dave Cunningham asked for a
signed statement in regard to right of way acquisition; covenants to include non-opposition
statement; mounds along 106th and Shelboume to be undulating rather than wall or dike;
petitioner to work with Mike Hollibaugh of DOCD regarding landscaping. Petitioner has
submitted plans to IDM, waiting for letter from Clay Regional Waste. Comments from
County Highway need to be satisfied prior to January 4th Committee approval. Jose needs
copy of covenants, statement (restriction) re sight distance--petitioner to meet with Jose
next Tuesday. Mark Monroe of DOCD to confirm satisfaction of comments with Co.
Highway in Dave Cunningham's absence.
MOFFIT FARM PRIMARY PLAT (HAVERSTICK)
Petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat - cluster) to plat 583 lots on 243 acres of land located
approximately 3/4 mile east of Gray Road,north of 131st Street. The site is zoned S-1 residential.
Filed by Centex Development.
Rex Gordon, Mary Arceneaux, and Glenn Christian appeared before the Committee representing
Centex Homes; Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth & Associates was also in attendance.
Glenn Christian gave an up-date of the project; street stubs and layout changes have been made
to provide for greater tree preservation; jogging/walking trails have been completed. Name of
project changed to Haverstick. Additional right-of-way on east side of River Road has changed
legal description, copy to go to Randy Powell).
- COMMENTS:
- City Utilities, John Duffy stated all comments addresed, water mains look good; meets
master plan.
- Communications, LuAnna Stephens said 18 of 30 names OK, will send up-dated disk to
petitioner.
- City Engineer, Randy Powell expressed major concern regarding suitability of soils for
construction of roads; problems can be overcome if developer is willing to take necessary
steps; standard cross-section of road does not work. Petitioner is aware of low-bearing
soils and high water capacity.
-County Highway,Jose Kreutz asked petitioner to consider doing requested improvements,
i.e. widening River Road along development frontage; replace structure that carries river
over Warner drain (whatever is needed to be qualified); resurface River Road by County
for one-half of cost quoted from petitioner; petitioner cannot commit dollar funds today,
but will improve what he impacts--wants estimate of cost from county and scope of work;
developer will commit to share cost with County Highway--will resolve by January 18
before public hearing.
- County Surveyor, Jerry Liston stated project contains two regulated drains, Warner and
Vestal. Steve Cash's comments include proposed reconstruction of Vestal drain now in
hearing process. Warner drain tile to be intercepted at northeast corner of property and run
into lake system, retained and then discharged at south end into the open ditch. Petitioner
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has written DNR asking for exclusion from their jurisdiction. Petitioner is trying to
improve the ditch without removing the trees. Amount of fill in floodway?
- County Soil & Water Conservation, John South stated Warner drain tile does not
currently show being intercepted on plans; offsite drainage from north being provided?
(overland flow) Storm sewer adequate to accommodate surface water? petitioner says yes.
John South expressed concern that current design does not adequately address surface
water from north--18 inch pipe will not handle. Concern also expressed regarding
floodway, petitioner intends to channel bottom up to 50 feet wide; petitioner says it is two
stage and agreed to by John South previously. Petitioner to look at cleaning, clearing and
deepening Vestal drain. Another area of concern is soils which dictates, pretty much, no
basements on entire site unless certified by a soil specialist that bearing strength is there.
John South stated that easement width needs to be increased depending on depth of utility
involved. Will look forward to receiving construction plans and how petitioner expects to
remedy soil problems.
- Indiana Gas, Jeff Autry, no comment.
- DOCD, Dave Cunningham stated that Fairbach is to furnish a traffic report by 1-3-94 to
DOCD. Utility easement, right-of-way easement, and landscape easement need to be
worked out, petitioner to firm up in next few weeks. New copy of legal to come to Dave.
Petitioner to install combination street lights, dusk-to-dawn or coach lights. Petitioner to
install sidewalk on one side and jogging path. Petitioner will return to TAC before going
to subdivision committee.
GREENS PRIMARY PLAT (now known as LINKSIDE)
Petitioner seeks approval (Primaruy Plat - cluster) to plat 343 lots on 140.7 acres of land located
on the east side of Shelbourne Road, approximately one-quarter mile north of 96th Street. The
site is zoned S-1 and R-1 residential. Filed by Davis Development Company.
Chris White and Stu Huckelberry appeared before the Committee on behalf of the petitioner and
gave a brief overview of the project. There have been some changes to the overall plan--the
northeast entrance now aligns with Ashbrooke; the recreational facilities are now in one localized
common area; overall nine lots have been dropped (lots now total 334, overall density of 2.4) A
street stub has been provided to existing right of way, there are now three connections into
Annally Downs, one to Towne Lake, a future stub to Huntersfield, future stubs on east property
line. A meeting has been scheduled with the Fire Department to go over fire hydrant locations.
Traffic study from Pflum, Klausmeier recommends a passing blister and widening 96th and
Shelbourne Road to accommodate left turn movements on 96th Street; the petitioner has agreed
to widen, subject to acquiring right of way at that location. Petitioner also agrees to widen road
on development frontage.
COMMENTS:
- Communications, LuAnna reports street names OK
- County Highway, Jose Kreutz requested copy of Tom Ford's traffic study. Jose to
review, does Right of Way exist at that particular intersection? Petitiioner thinks so. Jose
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encouraged petitioner to reconsider resurfacing Shelbourne Road; nothing in County's file
regarding passing blister. Jose encouraged petitioner to review commitments before
approval; would petitioner be willing to consider improvements along 96th Street; final
decision rests with Commissioners. County Highway asked that petitioner take care of
drainage in regard to tying into Greentree Road. Petitioner is extending sewers to low
points and proposed inlets. Petitioner wants to look at "eyebrows" for purposes of
dedication, perhaps reconfiguring.
- County Surveyor, Jerry Liston requested outlet for drainage--pond overflows. Petitioner
says pond and ditch will be lowered. County requests curb inlets; culvert pipe should be
installed along Ashbrooke for drainage;would like regulated drain. Petitioner should work
with Huntersfield developer in regard to drain on north side of 96th Street.
- County Soil & Water Conservation, John South wants inlet (12 inch pipe) closer to
property line (neighborhood problem); drainage problem along Shelbourne Road needs to
be addressed, only one inlet and seems lagging.
- Indiana Gas, Jeff Autry says gas available and will work with petitioner; requests
covenants contain restrictions regarding gas easement, no structures in easement; prefer no
mounding; common area needs access for possible work in Right of Way.
- IPL, Dan Davenport wants 15 foot utility easement behind all rights of way. Petitioner
to be responsible for installing conduits required; need entrance detail.
- DOCD, Dave Cunningham stated Dept. will try to resolve conflicts in Shelbourne area
for landscape, greenbelt and utility easements. 10 foot sideyard setbacks need to be
maintained. Mike Hollibaugh has not yet reviewed landscape plans. This development
scheduled for public hearing on January 18.
DANBURY ESTATES (formerly Park Meadows) PRIMARY PLAT
Petitioner seeks approval (Primary Plat) to plat 100 lots on 35.7 acres of land located on the south
side of 146th Street, approximately one-quarter mile east of Keystone Avenue (Greyhound Pass).
The site is zoned R-4 residential. Filed by Langston Development Company.
Bob Langston, John Edwards, and Jim Langston of Langston Development Company and Steve
Snyder of Weihe Engineers appeared before the Committee on behalf of the petitioner.
Dave Cunningham read to the Committee a memo which was received by FAX from Sue Dillon,
expressing concern regarding traffic congestion at this particular location. (copy attached)
COMMENTS:
- County Highway, Jose Kreutz reported that a study is presently in process. At this time,
a right of way corner cut is needed for future extension. Obviously, 5 lanes are needed
with a center left turn lane--hopefully the study will address that issue. Questionable
whether Carmel intends to annex to center line of 146th Street. Jose will re-review plat
and driveway permit will be required for project from Highway Dept.
- City Engineer, Randy Powell no comment.
- County Soil & Water Conservation, John South stated large common area needs to be
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marked on plans along floodway. Soil & Water and County Surveyor jointly commented
that drainage outlet needs to be shown to the northwest as it affects Langston property,
needs to be diverted along west property line; petitioner to furnish letter.
- County Surveyor, Jerry Liston stated he was not sure exactly where the drain is--needs
to be shown on plans.
- Communications, LuAnna Stephens previously reported street names OK.
-DOCD,Dave Cunningham requests pedestrian access to be worked out. Dave Barnes will
address Dave Cunningham's letter in writting. Landscape plan may want to include
residential side along 146th Street. Mike Hollibaugh has not reviewed--petitioner to check
with Mike or Mark Monroe next week.
- DOCD, Terry Jones stated there should be no basements in lots which are along
floodway fringe or move floodplain line per Dave Barnes letter(If this line changes homes
could have basements....if it stays as is homes would not be allowed to have basements.)
WORTHINGTON ESTATES SECTION 2
COMMENTS:
- City Engineer, Randy Powell states water availability fee will be $1010. per acre, also
advised change in manhole castings; petitioner advises sanitary sewer already in
- County Soil & Water, John South requested map of Woodgate/Worthington subdivision.
-DOCD, Dave Cunningham states petitioner will be appearing at Subdivision January 4th.
NO OTHER COMMENTS ON WOODGATE/WORTHINGTON ESTATES
End Meeting.
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