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to order
~* The regular meeting of the Carmel Plan Commission was calledgby the
'� President, Bill Merrill, at 7:40 P.M. , March 15, 1983 at the City Meeting
Hall. The meeting opened with the pledge of allegiance.
Roll was called and members present were: Bill Merrill, Sue McMullen,
Ila Badger, Dick Albright, Vaughn Story, Terry Litvan, Bob Boone, Hans
Gundersen, Sandra Long, Fred Ellis and Max Moore.
There were no additions or corrections to the minutes of the February 15,
1983 meeting and Mrs. Badger moved that they be approved as submitted.
Seconded by -Mr.t,Story. , Motion carried.
There were, no additions ;or corrections to the minutes of the March- 1,'
1983 special meeting and Mrs. Litvan moved that they be approved as' sub-
mitted.
Seconded by Mr. Gundersen. Motion carried.
G. Public Hearings
lg. 7:30 P.M., Public Hearing (Continued from February 15, 1983) on
Docket No. 1-83 Z, Amendment to the Carmel Zoning and Subdivision
Control Ordinance Z 160 as amended as it relates to Section 25.7
through and inclusive of 25.7.01-1 (Sign Ordinance) .
Filed by Carmel Plan Commission.
The public hearing continued from the February 15, 1983 meeting at
7 :47 P.M. There were no comments from the public and the public hearing
closed at 7:47.
Mrs. Badger moved that the amendments to the Sign Ordinance be approved
as presented and amended.
Seconded by Mr. Gundersen.
Mrs. Litvan questioned the amendments. On page 3, under 25.7 .03-3, Mrs.
Lit n stated she feels that the word parallel should be included before
-Nithe'word street making it read "and shall be a minimum of 10 ft. from the
parallel street right-of-way" . Mrs. Litvan said it should be stated that
this is not to conflict with the overriding requirement of visual clearance
on a corner lot, as defined in the Zoning Ordinance.
Mrs. Litvan questioned item 8, on page 3, and asked why it is being
changed from 6 months to 13 months.
Mr. Kiphart replied that, for formal written reports to the Plan Com-
mission concerning the status of signs, once a year is sufficient.
Mrs. Litvan commented that she feels twice a year would better.
Attention was called to the multiple Indiana and U. S. flags that are fly-
ing at Super Standard and Mr. Kiphart is to look into that situation.
Mr. Andrews suggested, regarding Mrs. Litvan' s concern on page 3, item
23 of the Amendments, that this item be amended to read, on page 2,
25.7.03-3, "except when located at corner lots, as stated in 3.0 of the
Zoning Ordinance:
Mrs. Litvan so moved this amendment as phrased by Mr. Andrews.
Seconded by Mr. Gundersen. Motion carried.
Mrs. Litvan moved to delete from the proposed amendment, #22 on page 3,
"every 12 months". and leave it as it is now, "every 6 months" .
Seconded.: by Mrs, .Badger. ,W -;,t
The-"vote:was.7 For,:
4 Against. Motion to delete carried. . ..
The vote was now taken on the passage of the Amendments to the Sign,
Ordinance. - Xt-tiwaS-",unanimous: for approval and a favorable recommend tiof
v.
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Final Flat approval for i'es of- Carmel, a coed hium :p peek .ocat.
` : E. corner of 116th St. and Iteystone'�Av (4 1); -12 acres, t .,ed.at thee. N.E
82 condo units, 41 buildings- on one lot. There will be private streets
andanC,43#1itext4and water facilities. Needs variances from 'Subdivision
Ordinance' for:
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1. no interior sidewalks
2. private streets and width of streets
3. private sewer and water lines
Filed by James Nelson for Chuck Morgan.
The public hearing opened at 8 :11 P.M. with Mr. Nelson making the
presentation. Photos were shown of the 116th and Keystone area (aerial)
and of the old riding stable site. Mr. Nelson said the request is for a
permitted use within the R-4 classification. The condominium units will be
between 1100 and:;1300 sq. ft. in size. A rendering of the project entry
was shown which will -be off of 116th St. There will be 82 homes (2 homes
per building) . Two conceptual renderings of the patio homes were shown.
The preliminary landscape buffer plan was shown for the west side of the
property along Keystone Ave. which consists of mounding with plantings. A
landscape plan for the east boundary was also presented.
Mr. Nelson said they request a variance from the Subdivision Control
Ordinance for private streets and that they not be required to have side-
walks.
A letter from Vince Desmond, a neighboring property owner, stating his
approval of the proposed project, was read and submitted for the record.
Mr. Nelson asked that the Commission vote on this petition this evening.
Due to a conflict of interest, Mr. Merrill here turned the chair over to
Vice President, Hans Gundersen.
Carol Uebulack, 11606 Rolling Springs Dr. , and Josh Fineberg, property
owner immediately to the north, spoke in favor of the project.
The public hearing closed at 8 :30.
Members questioned and expressed concern in regard to narrowness of the
streets and that the petitioner was requesting that there be no sidewalks.
Mr. Chuck Morgan responded stating that it was because of the age of
the group, older or younger people, and no children.
Mr. Nelson said there is to be no parking on the streets and that there
will be a sidewalk along 116th Street in front of the property.
Mrs. Badger questioned a list of plantings and the size of the plant-
ings.
Dr. Long commented on sidewalks in the project stating that she feels
they are necessary.
4r. Boone questioned narrow streets, rolled curbs and gutters and
sidewalks.
Mr. Morgan stated that he feels sidewalks will detract from the looks
of the property.
Mr. Boone stated that Fire Chief Couts is concerned about the width of
the streets.
Mr. Kiphart stated, regarding his meeting with the Technical Advisory
Committee, Chief Couts and two assistants from the Fire Department, that
everything is acceptable, however this development stretches health,
safety and welfare about as much as it can be stretched.
At this time there was a 10 minute recess for the Subdivision Committee
to meet.
Following recess, Mr. Gundersen announced that this matter was referred
to the Subdivision Committee for April 12, 1983 at 7:30 p.m. at the City
Meeting Hall.
Mr. Gundersen requested that Commission members present their specific
concerns regarding this project, in writing, to him before the Committee
meeting.
Mr. Story objected.
Mr. Merrill resumed the. chair.
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3g. 7130 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 4-83 Z. Amendments to the
Carmel Zoning and Subdivision Ordinances Z 160 as amended. Amend
entire section of the R-5 District, Section 11.0, amend definitions
of Dwelling Cluster Section 3.0 & 4.0 and Subdivision Section 3.0 &
4.0 plus amendments to Subdivision Regulations Sections 7.0 through
7.1.5 (delete) and amendment to Sections 5.1 .7, 5. 1.13, 5.2.5 and
5.2.7 (See attached) .
Filed by Carmel Plan Commission.
Mr. Gundersen requested that the public hearing be continued to the
April meeting in order for members to review the amendments.
4g. 7:30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 5-83 Z, Rezone Application
to rezone land areas within Keystone Square Shopping area and
certain other parcels adjacent from B-4 to B-8 Zone District per
attached map.
Filed by `Carmel Plan Commission.
Mrs. Litvan made the presentation stating that the new zone, B-8, has
been passed by the City Council and the Commission now needs to rezone
these certain land areas within Keystone Square Shopping area and some
other parcels adjacent.
The public hearing opened at 9:30 P.M. No remonstrators were present
and the public hearing closed at 9 :30 P .M.
This item does not need to be sent to committee and Mrs. Litvan moved
to send this item to the City iouncil with a favorable recommendation.
Seconded by Mr. Story.
Motion carried.
H. Old Business
lh. Commission to consider Docket No. 2-83 Z, Rezone Application for St.
Vincent Hospital, for 29.220 acres located south of 136th St. between
U. S. Highway 31 and Old Meridian St. , from S-2 Residential District
(23.88 acres) and R-2 Residential District ( 5.34 acres) to B-6 Business
District. Sent to Land Use Committee for review and report. (Land Use
and I & C Committees will meet jointly) .
Filed by James Nelson for St. Vincent Hospital.
Mr. Nelson was present.
Mrs. McMullen gave the Lane Use Committee report (which is a part of the
official minutes and attached to the master copy) .
The committee recommended approval and Mrs. McMullen so moved.
Seconded by Mrs. Badger.
Motion carried.
2h. Commission to consider Unites States Highway 31 Overlay Zone and
Architectural Design, Landscaping, Lighting, Parking and Signage
Application for St. Vincent Hospital. File date February 1, 1983
concerning the construction of a 100 Bed Hospital 3-4 stories high
and containing 102,000.; sq.. ft. on 29.220 acres of land, located south
of '136th: St. between U.S. Highway 31 and Old Meridian St. , proposed
to be rezoned from an existing'`S-2 Residential District and R-2
Residential Districtto a B-6 Business District.
Filed by James Nelson'`torr St, Vincent Hospital.
Mr. Nelson was present.
Mrs. Litvan gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is
a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) .
The Committee gave this conceptual approval, only, at this time and Mrs.
Litvan moved that this item-.-come' back to the entire Commission.
Seconded by Mrs. Badger.
Motion carried.
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Mr. Boone questioned the removal of bridges on Meridian and Guilford and a
suggested that they not tear up both at the same time.
Mrs. Litvan moved final approval of the lighting plan and conceptual
approval, only, of the landscaping, architectural design and signage at
this time.
Seconded by Mr. Gundersen.
Motion carried.
This item will be before the Industrial and Commercial Committee on
April 12, 1983.
I. New Business
li. Commission to consider United States Highway 31 Overlay Zone
Development Plan including Architectural Design, Lighting, Land-
scaping and Signage approval for a .19.4 acre, five lot, five
3-story office building complex, zoned B-6, and located at the
S.E. corner of 116th St. and Meridian St. (U.S. 31 ) . A variance
for no side yards will be needed from the Carmel Board of Zoning
Appeals.
Filed by Al Oak for Meridian Corporate Center.
Mr. Oak made the presentation, showing the site plan and a sign exhibit.
This item was sent to the Industrial and Commercial Committee for review
on April 12 at the City Meeting Hall.
2i . Commission to consider United States Highway 31 Overlay Zone
Revised Development Plan including Architectural Design, Lighting,
and Landscaping approval for existing Tutwiler Auto Sales site,
located on 10 .0 acres at 10101 N. Meridian St. Revised plan will
include 3, 600 sq. ft. of sales floor addition to front of build-
ing and other minor additions, new exterior, new lighting stand-
ards, a.
expansion of exterior auto sales area and additional site
landscaping.
Filed by Jim Nelson for Mart Tutwiler.
Mr. Mart Tutwiler and Marion Williams, Architect, were present.
Mr. Nelson made the presentation, showing the plans and an architect' s
rendering of the building addition.
Mr. Story questioned the parking expansion area and tree removal that
has taken place.
Mr. Story moved that this item be tabled prior to going to committee in
order for staff to investigate the tree removal for the additional parking
space.
Seconded by Mr. Albright.
Mr. Kiphart' s letter to Mr. Tutwiler, dated January 27, 1983, was
brought up.
Mr. Albright withdrew his second to the motion.
Mr. Kiphart asked Mr. Story if he would be satisfied if he, Mr.
Kiphart, would make a study of the trees removed and make sure that the
petitioner replaces the trees that were removed, in order to conform,
and that this all be completed by the April 12 Committee meeting.
Mr. Story stated that if this is done by April 12 he would withdraw
his motion to table.
This item was sent to the Industrial and. Commercial Committee for
review on April 12 at the City Meeting Hall.
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3i. Commission to consider Sign Package approval for Morgan Building,
located at 920 S. Range Line Rd. Package includes wall signs on
front of building using existing can frames, (new frame) size would
conform with most current Sign Ordinance requirements, uniform color,
design and lettering per Carmel Sign Ordiance. Permanent window signs
if used by tenants will be individual gold letters of a sign no
greater than 4 sq. ft.
Filed by Charles D. Smith for Harrigan.
Mr. Charles Smith, 924 S. Range Line., made the presentation. A photo of
the building and signage was shown.
Mr. Kiphart read the sign package description.
Mrs. Litvan stated that the center sign in the package is oversized and
needs a variance or a new can under the ordinance.
Members conferred and Mr. Merrill related that the petitioner will need a
variance before the BZA to put a new sign in the existing can or, in order to
conform to the ordinance, the petitioner would have to change the size of
the can.
Mr. Smith is to see Mr. Kiphart and arrange to be placed on the March 28
BZA agenda for a variance.
The signs for the center are to be internally illuminated wall signs with
ivory letters on a dark background.
Mr. Boone moved to approve the color, type and interior illumination of
the signs for the Morgan Building.
Seconded by Dr. Long.
Following discussion, Mr. Boone withdrew his motion.
Mr. Story moved that conditions, as revised by Mr. Kiphart, be approved
fothe entire center - ivory letters on dark brown, internally illuminated
wall signs, bronze return or frames, size of all future signs to conform to
the Sign Ordinance, faces to be plexiglass or metal, changeable with gold
letters not to exceed 4 sq. ft.
Seconded.
Motion carried.
4i. Commission to consider approval of Development Plan for conversion of
Residential Structure, located at N.E. corner of Range Line Rd. and
Napanee St. in B-7 Zoned District, to commercial office building. Minor
improvements will be made per requirements of Carmel Building Ordinances
and B-7 Zone District. This item was placed on the agenda conditionally
per all details being worked out between the Director of the Dept. of
Community Development and petitioner by Wednesday, March 9, 1983.
Filed by Joe J. Donnellan.
Mr. Donnellan made the presentation for conversion of a residence to
Commercial Office for his business. There will be no changes to the building.
A letter from Mr. Donnellan stating his request was passed to members.
This item was sent to the Industrial and Commercial Committee for review
on April 12, 1983 at the City Meeting Hall at 7:30 P.M.
Mr. kipnart retatea that a peraoh has 'requested to add onto his hone
and needs to have an amended plat to; 90' set back.
Vie";--Boone moved -that, if the residents have no objection, the plat be
amended tay,the 90' set back for this purpose.
Seconded-bit Mrs. Badger
here,being-no further businessto come before the Commission, the meeting
I adjourned.
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Irresfdent Secretary