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HomeMy WebLinkAboutComp. Plan Update Minutes 6/13/89 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE - June 13 , 1989 The committee meeting was brought to order by Jeff Davis at 7 : 39 P .M. at the Carmel City Meeting Hall . Committee members present were : Jeff Davis , Chairman, George Sweet, Will Wright, Bob Boone, Ila Badger, Alan Potasnik, Sue McMullen, Jim Dillon, Greg Binder and Lindley Meyers . Staff members present were : Wes Bucher, David Cunningham, Rick Brandau, Terry Jones and Dorthy Neisler. Ms . Joanne Green stated that they have refined previous information and have reviewed the land use plan . Aerial photography plan development was displayed indicating the program development proposed for the City of Carmel . A plan showing identified traffic zones which we will be used for the analysis . The presentation of base line information regarding land use zoning and program development and has been obtained through a number of sources . Briefly described the generalized categories for analysis where are : Agriculture residential areas , Low density residential areas, Medium density residential areas , High density residential areas . Also, Employment Uses and those are broke down into commercial office areas , heavy commercial office areas , industrial manufacturing areas and other uses public and semi- public areas . One of our key finding in existing land use evaluation, generally more densely populated residential development has been focused around areas to the east and south where good transportation and waste water service has been readily available . Lower density residential development has been in the western section of the community. The majority of land in the township is zoned S-1 . This zoning is exclusively west of Springmill and East Gray. The next largest group is zoned R-1, R-2 and R-3 , medium density residential category. 6700 acres or 20% of the total study area. Land zoned S-2 the low density residential category is the third largest category of land area of approximately 4200 acres or 12% of the study area . The business and industrial manufacturing area categories are also found within the central portion of the study area. Combined these zoning categories account for a total of approximately 3100 acres, land zoned B-2 , B-5 , B-6 and B-8 which are the remaining categories are the largest segment of this group accounting for approximately 1100 acres or 3% of the total study area. EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE - June 13 , 1989 In addition to the program uses there are a total of approximately 4200 unbuilt dwelling units in existing subdivisions . This number when compared with the total built dwelling units, 11065 is quite significant . Flow charts were passed out to all committee members . (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the Master Copy) . Mr. John Myers discussed the flow charts . Mr. Myers showed graphs on the overhead projector which displayed listings of most recent traffic counts that they have in Carmel on Keystone Avenue, U. S . 31, Range Line Road, 116th St . , Carmel Drive and Main St . , and 126th St . from previous years past . The traffic zone study map was shown . There was further discussion on how, where, when and the cost of doing traffic counts in the Carmel area . Ms . Joanne Green passed out a summarization that was presented. Ms . Green felt there were some major issues for discussion. There are three primary areas of concern that have been identified up to this date : 1 .L4arge currently undeveloped infill parcels located along key transportation corridors or within or adjacent to established areas . 2 . Large tracts of land currently used primarily for agricultural purposes from Gray Road east to the White River, 3 . Large tracts of land currently used primarily for agricultural purposes west of Meridian Street and north of 116th Street . Additional general areas of discussion could include the relationships and compatibility between the varied and wide mix of land use in the central core of the community and they hope to disperse some discussion in regards to this . In regards to the zoning, some specific discussion points and questions they have are : 1 . Should there be a new zoning category which limits the development of agricultural lands to densities lower than the 1500 squthre foot of lot area per dwelling if there is a community sanitary sewer system? 2 . Should there be lands which will be designated as "Agricultural Preserves" in the 1989 Comprehensive Plan Update? 3 . Should development be "clustered" at higher densities in certain areas of the S-1 zoned sections to allow for preservation of open space and desirable features of the natural environment? 4 . Can the proliferation of the "B" zones be simplified and EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE - June 13 , 1989 streamlined to achieve more specific development intents . In regards to Programmed Development : 1 . What will the impact of proposed sewer system expansions have on development proposals in the near term and in the long term? 2 . Are the proposed developments outlined in Section 1 . 4 . 1 the projects that could reasonably be considered to have an impact on the transportation system within the next five years? 3 . Is the information presented in Section 1 . 4 . 1 correct with regards to data to be considered in estimating impacts on the transportation network for the next five years? Mr. Davis questioned is there a genuine agricultural land left in Clay Township, although it is being used for that now, is that a reasonable use for it? If we were going to establish agricultural preserves how would that property owner be compensated or would he just be required to farm it even though that were not a probable use of the land? How would we go about clustering properties of higher density to leave larger open spaces , is it larger clustering that you are talking about? Obviously all the developers would provide the land for the clustering, who would provide the land for the open spaces? Should the people who are going to provide this land for agricultural preserves, if that became something that desireable for this area, will they be compensated in some manner or will we just be telling them that it is not probable to farm this land that they should more reasonably sell it? Can we do that as a matter of zoning ordinance? Is that even legal? Mrs . McMullen requested if at all possible to receive this information on the summarization prior to the meeting so the committee has a chance to read before the meeting? Ms . Green stated that would not be a problem. Mr. Davis stated that they do not have any good graphs of the build out of the sewer. There is a lot of conjecture of how it is going to be built, how it is going to be financed. Mr. Davis stated he has seen plans that include sewage for almost all of Western Clay Township. How serious and how soon? There was a great deal of discussion regarding sewers in Western Clay Township. Mr. Davis stated that we would have our own traffic study in order to do this analysis for the Comprehensive Plan Update . Mr. John Meyers stated the traffic issue is going to be a very difficult issue . Mr. Meyers stated that traffic will increase on Springmill Road because Meridian is filling up and people will use city streets . EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE - June 13 , 1989 Mrs . Badger questioned under the Key Findings , with your percentages that you have listed for land uses the distribution, that includes all of the acres that are now zoned for those different uses, is that correct? And, it makes no differentiation between the amount of land that is now developed, the amount of land that is undeveloped? Ms . Green stated that was correct . That comprises the entire study area. Mrs . Badger questioned do you have any plans of coming up with any figures as to how much of those categories are already developed. Is there any general percentage that seems to be acceptable in a town as to how much or what percentage the land should be zoned for residential use, what might be zoned for commercial and what might be zoned for business manufacturing , whatever that tends to be in the overall a fairly well balanced number? Ms . Green stated they do have that information. No, there are just so many factors involved. One of the primary factors is the location with regards to a major city, the traffic impact of that, which is exactly Carmel . If your close to that and have a lot of traffic movement in and out of a large city into that community then there are certain results from that . And can say that there is some general percentage, if there is I am not aware of it . Mrs . Badger questioned if they would have any feel of this situation and will you be able to recommend to us that maybe we are at capacity on one thing or that we are lacking in another area? Ms . GReen stated yes and again think that will tie itself in a very direct way to the thoroughfare portion of the work. Mr.Boone questioned if. we were to take in a reasonable proximity to the Meridian Corridor and to develop housing, apartments, single family, that would be affordable to the work force in the office buildings, would that be in fact make a substantial diminishment of the traffic? Mr. Meyers stated yes it would make an impact . As much as you could develop residential close by jobs you are going to have positive effects on a number of things and especially traffic. It is a worthwhile goal . Ms . Sue Dillon asked several questions : 1 . Are you taking into consideration traffic flow on 106th and Springmill & Ditch? 2 . Have you studied other areas as far as changing zoning sizes of lot sizes? Ms . Green stated that not at the present time . 3 . Are you keeping track of the progress of the Comprehensive EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE - June 13 , 1989 Plan that is being drawn up by Hamilton County? Ms . Green stated that she was not aware of this and would like to know who to contact and would check on it . 4 . Do other communities require a portion of land to be set aside for a community park? Ms . Green stated that there will be no ordinances come out of the update . There was further discussion . The next Comprehensive Plan meeting will be July 19 , 1989 . Meeting adjourned at 9 : 30 P .M.