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Home My WebLink AboutCorrespondence Conn, Angelina V From: Conn,Angelina V Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:12 AM To: 'Matthew Hoener' Cc: Redding,Nolan (NRedding@penskeautomotive.com); Pietrzak, Ross Subject: RE: Penske Honda Express Service Attachments: 17-811.01 A401 ELEVATIONS 2018-10-15r.pdf Thanks for this, Matthew. These spandrel panel area rectangles are not quite right for the three Express Service signs portion of the building facade;please see attached mark up. Planning Staff has consulted and determined those red boxes are the spandrel areas based on the design/appearance of the building (falling in line with the score marks on the EIFS). Please submit a revised spandrel panel areas exhibit. Should you have any questions about this, please contact Ross Pietrzak, sign permits specialist, in our office. Also, the wall sign dimensions,themselves, need to include the largest rectangle or box to fit around an entire wall sign. The Express Service wall sign measurement does not take into account the bottom of the letter'p' that drops below the rest of the text. Please revise that dimension; it will end up being taller than 2'6". We are still reviewing the other PDF documents you sent yesterday, and we will most likely have additional comments for those.Thanks, Angie Conn,AICP Carmel Planning&Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Sq. 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032 P: 317-571-2417 I W: www.carmeldocs.com From: Matthew Hoener [mailto:MHoener@TDGArchitects.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 4:24 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Redding,Nolan (NRedding(apenskeautomotive.com) Subject: RE: Penske Honda Express Service Spandrel panels correct and height dimensions added. From: Conn,Angelina V<Aconn(c@carmel.in.gov> Sent: Monday,October 15, 2018 4:13 PM To: Matthew Hoener<MHoener@TDGArchitects.com> Cc: Redding,Nolan (NRedding@penskeautomotive.com)<NRedding@penskeautomotive.com> Subject: RE: Penske Honda Express Service Good afternoon, Matthew— I do not think you and I need to meet in person tomorrow; however, Ross and I still need you to submit the dimensions of the signage spandrel panel areas so we can make sure that your proposed signage heights and widths meet the Sign Ordinance requirements. (As you know, a wall sign's size is limited to 70%of the Spandrel Panel's height and 85%of the Spandrel Panel's width. For more info on the Sign Ordinance, please see UDO section 5.39. Otherwise,you will need to seek an additional variance request and docket number.) Conn, Angelina V From: Conn, Angelina V Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 4:13 PM To: 'Matthew Hoener' Cc: Redding,Nolan (NRedding@penskeautomotive.com) Subject: RE: Penske Honda Express Service Attachments: 17-811.01 A401 ELEVATIONS 2018-10-15.pdf Good afternoon, Matthew— Ido not think you and I need to meet in person tomorrow; however, Ross and I still need you to submit the dimensions of the signage spandrel panel areas so we can make sure that your proposed signage heights and widths meet the Sign Ordinance requirements. (As you know, a wall sign's size is limited to 70%of the Spandrel Panel's height and 85%of the Spandrel Panel's width. For more info on the Sign Ordinance, please see UDO section 5.39. Otherwise,you will need to seek an additional variance request and docket number.) Attached is my example markup (red dashed line rectangles)of the general spandrel panel, and we need those height and width dimensions from you. Tomorrow, I will review the revised signage details you just emailed me at 3:39PM, and let you know if we have any additional comments. But, as I understand it,the Planning Staff is still not supportive of there being three wall signs that say 'Express Service'on the building, as it is very redundant. Thanks, Angie Conn, AICP Carmel Planning&Zoning Dept. 317-571-2417 From: Matthew Hoener [mailto:MHoener@TDGArchitects.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 3:17 PM To: Conn, Angelina V; Keesling, Rachel M Subject: Penske Honda Express Service I will be in town tomorrow if you would like to meet tomorrow afternoon to discuss anything. Thanks Matthew E. Hoener (248)874-1420 ext. 223 (734)560-2283 Cell mhoener@TDGArchitects.com TDG Architects 79 Oakland Avenue Pontiac,Michigan 48342 www.TDGArchitects.com 1 Conn, Angelina V e(-e1 iwkAr # From: Conn, Angelina V Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 11:25 AM To: 'Matthew Hoener' Cc: Pietrzak, Ross; Redding,Nolan Subject: RE: BZA for Signage (Honda Express Service) Attachments: Elevations with Signage_10-05-18_ross.pdf Tracking: Recipient Recall 'Matthew Hoener' Pietrzak,Ross Succeeded:10/8/2018 11:29 AM Redding,Nolan Thank you, Matthew. Ross and I reviewed the updated elevations; listed below follow-up comments. Please respond in writing to these as soon as you are able. 1. Please submit the latest set of signage design specs/cut sheets. 2. Regarding the ground sign: Prior, Planning Staff requested that you only have the Honda logo and letters be illuminated on the Ground Sign (where the rest the blue area would not be illuminated, and just be opaque). It is still not clear to us if that is the case, but we do not think so, based on how the specs are currently written on the Elevations sheet.The Planning Dept. will not support a wholly illuminated cabinet ground sign. Please amend the ground sign design/specs to limit the illumination to just the letters and logos(where the rest will be opaque. 3. Regarding the two oval wall signs: The oval signs are still listed as (wholly) illuminated. Prior, Planning Staff requested that you only have the white text&graphic shine through and be illuminated, and that the rest of the blue oval be opaque/dark.) Please amend the wall sign design/specs to limit the illumination to just the white letters& logo, where the rest/blue will be opaque.The Planning Dept.will not support a wholly illuminated oval sign. 4. Again, please show/delineate the spandrel panel areas for the wall signage on the Elevations. (Attached is an example of how they can be drawn in.) 5. On the Elevations,the spandrel panel dimensions (heights and widths) need to be labeled, too. And,the calculations of the signage dimensions vs.the spandrel panel area dimensions need to be shown, as well,to show that the sign dimensions meet the required maximum 70% heights and %widths of the spandrel panel area. We look forward to reviewing your revisions and responses. Sincerely, Angie Conn, AICP Carmel Planning&Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Sq. 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032 P: 317-571-2417 I W: www.carmeldocs.com From: Matthew Hoener [mailto:MHoener@TDGArchitects.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 3:34 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Conn, Angelina V Q,1-e.lU,\Aatt !\11 From: Conn, Angelina V Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:44 PM To: 'Matthew Hoener' Cc: Pietrzak, Ross Subject: RE: BZA for Signage (Honda Express Service) Attachments: 2018 06 12 Area Calculation for West Signage.pdf Thank you, Matthew. Before I can issue the required BZA docket numbers for Honda Express Service, please respond in writing to the following preliminary review questions: 1) The Planning Dept. will not support a wholly illuminated cabinet ground sign. Please amend the ground sign design/specs to limit the illumination to just the letters and logos (where the rest will be opaque). 2) It is our understanding that the two 'smaller' Express Service signs above the service doors are to be removed. If not, then they should each be reduced in size to become less than 3 square feet in area, each, to become exempt signs. 3) Please either remove the larger Express Service sign and have the two smaller Express Service signs above the service doors, or vice versa. (The Dept. will not support all three Express Service signs.) 4) If you choose to move forward with the two oval Express Service signs, with or without Planning Staff's support, please amend the wall sign design/specs to limit the illumination to just the white letters& logos, where the rest/blue will be opaque, regardless. 5) On the building elevations, please show and label the spandrel panel areas for each sign. (Ross made this comment/request, prior.)You have provided the overall dimensions for sections of the building, but we need you to break out the "Honda" and two "Express Service" signs into smaller spandrel panel areas. If each sign does not fit into a spandrel, then there would need to be an additional variance request. Attached are two examples of what we are looking for, regarding the spandrel panel areas and calculations. (For any additional questions or clarification on this, please contact Ross Pietrzak, Sign Permits Specialist.) 6) (FYI, the Spandrel Panel is the area on a building facing a public street where a sign can be placed. It is typically defined by different architectural features on the building. Some of these features could be the top or bottom of a window, an architectural accent piece such as a keystone, an awning,the cornice or roof line, a light fixture, or even a vent.A wall sign's size is limited to 70%of the Spandrel Panel's height and 85%of the Spandrel Panel's width. For more info on the Sign Ordinance, please see UDO section 5.39) I I ► ► 1 I Main Tenant/Building ID 1111111111111111 SpandrelPanel i Tenant A Height �1 t! til I . I O Spandrel Panel Width Thank you. Angie Conn,AICP Carmel Planning&Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Sq. 31d FIr., Carmel, IN 46032 P: 317-571-2417 I W: www.carmeldocs.com From: Matthew Hoener [mailto:MHoener@TDGArchitects.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:02 AM To: Conn, Angelina V Subject: RE: BZA for Signage Yes. Yes he did. From:Conn, Angelina V<Aconn@carmel.in.gov> Sent:Tuesday, September 25,2018 8:43 AM To: Matthew Hoener<MHoener@TDGArchitects.com> Subject: RE: BZA for Signage Thank you, Matthew-We will get this processed. I assume you are filing for the Oct. 22 BZA Hearing Officer Meeting? Did our sign permits person suggest that? Angie Conn,AICP Carmel Planning&Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Sq. 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032 P: 317-571-2417 I W: www.carmeldocs.com From: Matthew Hoener [mailto:MHoener@TDGArchitects.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:39 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Subject: BZA for Signage 2 i..(...)) .,. 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