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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 05-21-85 C1RMBL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 21, 1985 The regular meeting of the Carmel Plan Commission was called to order br the Vice President, Richard Albright. at 7: 36 P.M. Mar 21, 1985 at the City Meeting Hall . The meeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance. Roll was called and members Present were as follows: Bill Merrill, (arrived at 8129), Minnie Doane, Bob Boone, Ila Badger, Vaughn Starr , Jim Schneider, Sue McMullen, Jeff Davis. Sandra Long (arrived 7: 45 ) , Henrietta Lamb, Jim O'Neal, Sr. and Richard Albright. Max Moore was absent. Staff members Present were: Chuck Kiphart, David Rickard, Gordon Byers, and Rosalind McCart. . There were no additions or corrections to the minutes of the April 16, 1985 meeting and Mrs. Badger moved that they be approved as submitted. Seconded by Mrs. Lamb. Motion carried. Mrs. McMullen read a letter from Councilman, Ted Johnson. regarding his concern for builder's requests to delar the construction of sidewalks. Hrs. McMullen also read a letter from Ted Johnson regarding concern for privatwlr owned streets. Mrs. McMullen stated that the Plan Commission should be aware of these concerns. Mr. Kiphart related that there is an addition to the agenda. requested br Steak and Shake. that will require a suspension of the rules. G. Public—limariogs le. 7: 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 24-95 Z, A Rezone Application for a parcel of ground 6.059 acres in size located at 531 S. Guilford Street. Carmel, IN. The parcel is currently zoned R-2. The petitioner, Indiana Association of the Church of God, requests that the zoning be changed to B-7. There is currently a church structure on the prowerty and they desire to change the use of this structure. Piled by O. N. Dickinson . The Public hearing opened at 7142 P.M. with Mr. Dickinson making the Presentation for the vacated Church of God facility to be used for the State Ministry Center to house an administrative office and conduct seminars and workshops. The site plan was shown. At the present time there will be 8 work stations and a multi -purpose room. Mr. Kiphart explained a B-7 use. Dick Vogt, resident behind the property in question, spoke in support of the request. Mr. Manouchair, 432 Oak Dr., questioned what type of business can go in a B-7 use. Mr. Kiphart explained. The public hearing closed• at 7: 50 P.M. Mr. Story asked if the structure would be changed. Mr. Dickinson said there would be no change except for a parch on the front and a kitchen and multi-purpose room to be added on the back . Mr. Boone questioned why the petitioner did not request a Variance instead of a Rezone. Mr. Dickinson related that they were advised to request a Rezone by the Plan Department and explained future activity use plans for the facility. CA :lai . PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 21 , 1985 PAGE 2 hrs. Badger asked if their land connects to the M-3 Zone. A wap was Passed by Mr. KiPhart showing that it is directly adjacent. This item was referred to the Land Use Committee for review on June - ., 1985 at 7: 30 P.M. at the City Meeting Hall . 2a. 7: 30 P.N., Public Hearing on Docket No. 25-85 Z. A Rezone ' Application for a Parcel of ground 65 .7 acres in size located at the S. E. corner of S. R. 431 (Keystone Ave . ) and 146th St. in Clap Twp. , Hamilton County, Indiana. The parcel is currently zoned R-1 . The petitioner, David H. Clark, requests that the zoning be changed to B-5 in order to allow commercial development Permitted in the B--S Zone District . Filed by E. Davis Coots . • The public hearing opened at 7: 56 P.H. with Mr. Coots making the rret-,entation for a rezone to B-5 for proposed office buildings. Location was given and the site clan shown . One fourth of the land is in the Overlay Zone. Gary Foust, N. Range Line ( property to the S.E. of the site in wuestioned the access road there and what will happen to it and wr...c. will be done with the area where there is a great number of- old trees wr..:r.e Cool Creek runs through. Mr. Foust asked if they would affect any otr, .r utilities in there (sewers are there now) and if the buildings will u low profile. Mr. Foust said they are opposed to destroying the natural tiettine of the area. hr. Coats responded that the frontage road will be improved and that the trees in the Cool Creek Flood Plain will remain as they are. WA-. Coots stated that gas and water will need to be brought in and " cn:.c the structures will be 50 feet in height. Sid Fenstermaker, surrounding area developer, expressed concern re:...rding access, stating that the Present road must be widened with office building expansion to the Horth. Hr. Fenstermaker said he has no ob,iwction if that is taken care of . Uich Weiper, 285 Carmelview Dr. . stated concern for access there. hr. Coots responded regarding access. stating that the road is going to have to be improved and that the traffic issue would be in the State I1erz.rt►aent of Highways' control . Hr. Coots said they will have to address rhwt,:e things as this Progresses. The public hearing closed at 8: 10 P.M. firs. Badger called to attention that under a B-5 apartments are a Se,:c i.i l Use. hr. Story nuestioned Plans for use. hr. Coots stated that General Office is the intended use. This item was referred to the Land Use Committee for review at 8: 15 k.rt. on June 4. 1985 at the City Mooting Hall . 3� . 7: 30 P.M. , Public Hearing on Docket No. 26-85 P.P. . A Primary Plat Application for Summerlakes Subdivision containing 09 lots on 143 acres of land. Current zoning of the land is 8-1 ,. Parcel is located north of 96th St. between the existing Deerfield Subdivision and east of Town Road in Clay Twp. , Hamilton County, Indiana. Subdivision Variance requested for: 1 . Sub. Ord. Sec . 6.3.7. length of cul-de-sacs. 1250 ft,. maximum is allowed. 1450 ft . is requested . 2 . Sub. Ord. Sec . 6. 3.20. public streets required . Private CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 21, 1985 PAGE 3 25 streets requested to be platted as cart of the subdivision . Filed by John V. Schneider for Suie erlakes, Inc . The Public hearing opened at 8113 P .M. with Phillip Nicely, Attorney, representing the developers.. Rerresentativesf, from Schneider Engineering and Mid-States Engineering were present. An aerial photo was displayed to Point out location. A color rendering of the plan was shown . The entrance will be off of 96th Street and private streets are proposed. Five lakes will be created within the area. The price of the horses will be $200, 000.00 and us. The area will be served by Indianapolis Water Company . Septic systems will be approved in the area if developed properly . The storm drainage system was explained. The developer will be bringing a substantial number of trees into the subdivision. A rendering of the proposed double entrance with brick walls was shown . There will be wrought iron fencing and also substantial mounding along the front and sides of the property . Charles Itso, President Deerfield Civic Ass ' n . , stated no objection to this project . Terry Sands, Royalton Dr. . in Deerfield, questioned what the plans are for Royalton Dr. and said he feels Royalton should be open between the two subdivisions. Mr. Itso responded that most people want that road to remain closed. Hr. Itso said they are concerned about security and Hr. Sands is the only one he has spoken with who wants Royalton to be opened up. The public hearing closed at 8130 P .M. Mr. Story asked why they are requesting the 1450 ft. cul-de-sac length. John Schneider responded that they felt it was the best layout for the site. This item was sent to the Subdivision Committee for review on June 4. 1985 at 7230 P.M. at the City Meeting Hall . Mr. Merrill assumed the Chair. H. Dld_Busiaa.s.s lh. Commission to consider Docket Ho. 11-85 P.P. , An Amended Primary Plat Application for Springwill Streams. Sections 6. 7 and 8 located west of Spring Mill ltd. in S-1 zoned district . Site contains 83 lots on 115.6 acres. Filed br Joe Sharp for Springmill Properties. NOTEt Subdivision Committee will have resort. Mr. Davis gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master cos ) The Committee recommended approval and Mr. Davis so moved. Seconded by Mr. Albright. Mr. Story questioned "not responsible for right-of-war acquisition" as stated in the Committee report. Mr. Sharp explained. The Motion carried unanimously . C,It ;r,zi. PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 21, 1985 PAGE 4 2h,. Commission to consider Docket Na. 15-85 P.P. , An Amendment to the Primary Plat for Carmelaire Condominiums. The petitioner is requesting that sidewalks originally proposed for the project be eliminated from the . elat . Project is zoned R-4 and is located between 5th and 6th Streets S.E., east of 1st Avenue S .E. Filed by Glen C. Collier for Carmelaire Condominium Association . ' ' NOTE: Subdivision Committee did not vote on petition . Petitioner did not-show at the meeting. The petitioner was not present at the Hay 7, 1985 Subdivision Ce itt,s.a meeting. dr. Gnatovich was present tonight for Carmelaire Condominium tis::aci;.,tion and is to be present for the next Committee meeting. This item was returned to the Subdivision Committee for review at 6; 00 r .h. . June 4, 1985 at the City Meeting Hall . 3o. Commission to consider Docket No. 16-85 D.P. . Amendment to the original Development Plan approved for the Kiddie Kollege . (Day Care) facility located at 1001 S . Range Line Rd. , Carmel, IN. Petitioner requests to add a 1014 sq. ft. addition to the east side of the existing facility . Site is zoned B-7 . Filed by J. Meador for Kiddie Kollege . The petitioner was present . .irs. Badger gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master. copy ) . The Committee recommended approval and Mrs. Badger so moved . Seconded by Mrs . McMullen . The parking space report was given by Mr. Rickard. One parking space Lust be added as 24 parking spaces are required by Ordinance. dr. Meador agreed to do this and explained where it would be added . The motion carried unanimously . . Commission to consider Docket No. 17-85 Z, Rezone Application for a 3. 77 acre parcel of ground located at 733 N. Smoke/ Row lld. or H. 136th St . , Carmel, IN. The parcel is currently zoned R-2. The petitioner requests to have the parcel rezoned to an R-4 District . Filed by Stephen A. Harlow for Phillip J. Brewster, owner. .tr. Harlow was present. rirs . McMullen save the Land Use Committee report (which is a Part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy ) . The Committee recommended approval , with the covenant being submitted r:. tn.e Plan Commission tonight and Mrs. McMullen so moved . Seconded by Mrs . Badger. The covenant was presented by the petitioner to Commission members ..n.� tar the record. Hr. Harlow said he would have the covenant prepared sufficient for recording. The covenant will state that this will run with the land and that there will be 22 units, maximum. The motion carried unanimously . Commission to consider Docket No. 18-85 P . P. , Primary Plat - Application for Bradford Place Subdivision containing 20 lots on CA ►iEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 21 . 1985 PAGE 5 37 15.57 acres in a R-1 zoned district. Subdivision site is located north of 116th St. between Forest Dr. and Valleybrook Place or 4220 E. 116th St. Filed by • Raymond H. Roehling. (Subdivision Variance,. Sub. Ord. Sec . 8.9, also requested for elimination of perimeter sidewalks along 116th St. until city requests installation ) Hr. Jim Nelson and Mr. Roehling were Present. Hr. Davis gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a tart of Trot official minutes and attached to the master copy ) The Committee recommended approval, subject to the approval of the L'creet entrance by the Board of Public Works. and Mr. Davis so moved. Seconded by Mrs. Lamb. Hr. Nelson referred to Hr. Johnson 's letter and said they will withdraw their request for a Variance for the elimination of Perimeter sidewalks on the North side of 116th St. until the city requested installation . Hr. Nelson said, with respect to the entrance, that during the initial presentation he explained that it would be a divided street and the pavement on each side would be 16 ft. in width with a 5 ft. island in thd middle and that divided street would Proceed For 100 ft. at which time it would merge into a single lane. Mr. Nelson said they have reason to believe that, in as much as these are public streets and in as much as they have to be approved by the Board of Public Works, it would be their aeci ,. ion, at this time, to simtly have a single entrance 32 ft. wide that would continue for approximately 100 ft . and then merge into the 26 ft. street. Snow removal is the problem with the island. Hr. Merrill asked if it could be covenanted that the Homeowners e.ssociation put in the sidewalks if the city requires. Hr. Nelson said that it could be put in the covenants . Hr. Story seoke against the elimination of perimeter sidewalks. Hr. Merrill said that that Variance request was withdrawn by the petitioner and the Plan Commission is now discussing whether or not he should be given the latitude to be given that Variance if he wants it. The petitioner has also requested the elimination of the divider in • rhe street and Mr. Merrill said the discussion has been that possibly he t:hould be given the approval for that divider or for a straight 32 ft. • ..treet in the event that he cannot obtain approval from the City to have the divider. The Board of ,Public Works has indicated that it is too narrow for the ,now plow. Hr. Davis reread that section of the Committee report which addressed both instances and the motion would approve either with or without the island. Mrs. McMullen asked to vote separately on the Variance. Hr. Merrill said the Petitioner' s request to withdraw the Variance should be upheld. The motion carried unanimously and the Petitioner has the alternative of the street construction with or without the island as presented in the Cosnzittee report . • CaLhZ1. ELAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 21 , 1985 PAGE 6 1 . i.eu_Busiiamss ii . Commission to consider Docket No . 22-85 S.P. . Secondary Plat Application for Bradford Place Subdivision containing 20 lots of 15.57 acres in a R-1 Zoned District . Subdivision is located ' .. north of 116th St. between Forest Dr. and Valleybrook Place or at 4220 E. 116th St . , Carmel , IN. Filed by Raymond H. Roehling. Hr. Boone said that there are no changes in the plat and there is no „eeo to send this item to Committee. ir. Kiphart stated that the Technical Advisory Committee wants to eeview the drainage issue. lyr. Boone moved to suspend the rules and vote this evening. Seconded by Hr. -Davis. potion carried unanimously . Wr. Davis moved to approve 22-85 S .P. , final plat, subject to Technical Advisory Committee approval . Seconded by Mrs. McMullen . notion carried unanimously . 2i . Commission to consider Docket Ho. 23-85 A.D.L. S. . An Architectural Design, Lighting, Signage and Parking Lot review for Lakeview Healthcare Center. Part of the project is located within the 124 ft. Keystone Ave . or S.R. 431 Overlay Zone . Parcel is zoned B-2 and is 1 .3 acres in size . Petitioner is adding an addition to an existing healthcare facility ., Project r is located at the S . E. corner of Keystone Ave . ( S. B. 431 ) and 136th St. , Clap Twp. , Hamilton County , Indiana . Filed by Steve Dehne. «r. Dehne was present. fir . Badger gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy ) . The Committee recommended approval, subject to Technical Advisory Cc,..,.,,itt ee review and approval , and Mrs. Badger so moved. Seconded by Mr. Boone. notion carried unanimously 3i . Commission to consider Docket No. 27-85 D .P. /A.D.L.B . , A Development Plan/Architectural Design, Lighting, and Signage Application for a one building (multi-tenant horizontal space) protect located within the Meridian Street or U .S . 31 Corridor Overlay Zone. Project site is located west of Meridian St. directly south of Tutweiler Cadillac Sales, Clay Twe ., Hamilton County, Indiana. Address of projet is 10015 N. Meridian St. The site is zoned B-5 and is 1 .8 acres in size . Filed by Leo Stenz for 10015 Partners, Inc . i(r. Coots made the presentation for the petitioner. .,n aerial location photo of the site was passed to members and the ult..: elan was shown . 22, 000 ft . gross are proposed. Thu entry will be off of the frontage road and parking will all be to , thy eutar. 39 C..aHEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES - MAY 21. 1985 PAGE 7 The building is 140 ft. to the East of the Meridian right-of-way . There are 80 Parking accomodations. Thor trash area will be completely enclosed. The landscape plan was shown and it does comply with the Ordinance . Lighting will be low level . A rendering of the building was shown . The building identification will be the address number on the front. Also, there will be ' a- directory sign that will conform with the Gedinance. There will be a two tank holding sewer system and the petitioner will cc,nnect to the sewer system when it becomes available. The Committee is to look into the traffic situation. This item was referred to the Industrial and Commercial Committee for r..viaw on June 4. 1985 at 7: 00 P.M. at the City Meeting Hall . 4i . Commission to consider amendment to landscaping Plan for Creekside Cluster Housing Subdivision . Located at 1714 Creekside Drive, Carmel, IN. R-1 zoned district. Docket No. 29- 84 P.P. Filed by David C. Klauba for Paul I . Cripe, Inc . (Note: Subdivision Committee recommendation will be Presented. ) Hr. Davis gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of cria official minutes and attached to the master copy ) The Committee recommended approval, subject to the petitioner' s ..:.reea,ent to more trees if adjoining neighbors on the South rimiest them. Hr. Story asked to move on to the next item since the Petitioner was s,;.t present. Mr. Story said he has some questions . This item was tabled. A letter from Robert C. Scherer. sign contractor for Steak and Shake. w;.s: presented (and is a Part of the official minutes and attached to the s..;.strrr copy ) requesting that the Commission suspend the rules and add to sroniht ' s agenda the Plan to change the signage for Steak and Shake. Hr. Kiphart related that this is an amendment to an existing sign e .ckasdv. A representative from the sign company was present . The petitioner or a legal representative was not present and I ir.Herrill related that the petition will have to be filed by Steak and Sr:.ke in order to be on the agenda and sent to committee . Hru . Badger spoke of some concerns. At the old Thornberry restaurant ttsa only thins: standing is the pole sign which is a legal non-conforming sign . The tenant using the sign has changed and, according to the Ordinance, they must now comply. Also. Mrs . Badger said the use has terminated at the Imperial Gas Station . Hr. Kiehart said. regarding the Thornberry pole sign. that a Variance Nis granted for that sign and he believes that the pole sign runs with the Property . Mr. Kiphart stated that Mr. Andrews ruled on that. Hr. Kiehart will check into the Imperial situation . Hr. Byers is to look into both those matters. Mrs. Badger related that the landscaping around Public Service Indiana ' s outside storage area has not happened. Hr. Merrill stated that enforcement concerns should come in the form wi a letter addressed to either Mr.Herrill or Hr. Kiphart ' s office. PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES MAY 21 , 1985 PAGE 8 tte. Albright spoke of a possible roundtable meeting made ur of Plan Cu...»,i�rlwns in Hamilton County to address land use in Hamilton County, ' ::uk�uiviaion apxroval, plat approval , etc . and questioned if members would t,.: irrtvrested in 'such a meeting. The general consensus was favorably and Hr. Albright will proceed cf,e plans. Al Oak appeared for 't.tera 4i , Amendment to Landscape Plan for Creik ide,• and the Commission moved not to hear the iters at this time as iv had been tabled and Hr. Story moved to adjourn . St:conded and motion carried. .i.:vting adjourned. • • Secretary