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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes COM 06-27-19 • On the lower floor is lighting, is that the curved lighting you were speaking about Rachel?Rachel Keesling: The curved lighting is at the top of the building and is an EIFS cornice added to the building. The lights you are referring to are recessed and exist under the light soffit. Laura Campbell: • The light strip looks like what is put under my cabinets in my kitchen. Is this the actual size or will it be larger?Eric Sanqunetti: It is about three-quarter inch wide. We have samples of it. Laura Campbell: I thought it would be larger. Eric Sanqunetti: It looks quite similar to the indoor type,but commercial grade. It is thick with an aluminum bracket and the LED is tucked in.John Adams: In LED Light Strip Details it says a half-inch wide at the bottom. There are 18 LEDs per foot.There are a lot of lights there. Eric Sanqunetti: That way there is no spot light,but continuous. • Rachel Keesling: What kind of lights are underneath on the first floor?Eric Sanqunetti: Those are LED tubes. John Adams: • I have mixed feelings about the lights on the arch beams. To the uninformed visitor they might think it's a casino,but the lights aren't flashing.On the other hand it is cool and gives the building some oomph. It's not in violation of an ordinance?Rachel Keesling: No, it is already lit up. • Laura Campbell: I like the proposed improvements to the building. I do not feel strongly one way or the other regarding the lighting. • Alan Potasnik: I personally do not like these things,but in this instance the lighting makes a real statement. I happen to like it; I do not have an issue with it. It doesn't appear to be super bright and that it will be subdued. Is that what you represented?Eric Sanqunetti: Yes.Alan Potasnik: I do not have an issue with it.John Adams: Alan,are you talking about the whole package?Alan Potasnik: Yes.John Adams: Specifically you're okay with the lighting?Alan Potasnik: I don't have an issue with that. I saw it to begin with and I thought; "I don't feel strongly about it". If it is there,fine and not there,fine. • Rachel Keesling: Can you adjust the brightness?Eric Sanqunetti: Yes, it is all done electronically. If someone sees or complains about the brightness let me know and we'll tone it down.Alan Potasnik: Can you give the authority to adjust brightness to Staff?Rachel Keesling: To an extent, if there is a complaint. Eric Sanqunetti: To an extent,yes. Alan Potasnik: I mean I don't want them to physically come over and change things. Eric Sanqunetti: We can do that. With your point about the flashing,we don't want that. We want to complement the Monon pedestrian bridge. It is beautiful. • Rachel Keesling: Would you commit to it being white?Eric Sanqunetti: There is not going to be any white on the building at all and I would rather not have four colors. It is white now. Rachel Keesling: No, the lighting.You said the lighting could change colors and that concerns me. Eric Sanqunetti: We can do white. If I may,we would like to change the colors during holidays, like during Christmas.John Adams: With LED you have the capability to change colors electronically.Alan Potasnik: John are you ok with that?John Adams: All they want is an option. If they light the thing up that way and complaints come in they are going to shut it off.It's not going to be bright or flashing. If it makes a nice statement for the building. John motions to approve Docket No. 19050019 ADLS Amend with the conditions that the landscape plan is approved,dumpsters are enclosed,and lighting& archway lighting as proposed,Laura seconds, motion passes 3-0. 7. Docket No. 19050028 ADLS Amend: 12955 Old Meridian Remodel The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a remodel of the existing building and reconfiguration of site circulation and parking. The site is located at 12955 N. Old Meridian Street and is 2.23 acres in size. It is zoned UC/Urban Core and is not located within an overlay zone. Filed by Kevin Buchheit of Krieg Devault on behalf of BRU Carmel RE LLC and JKB Properties LLC. Petitioners: Kevin Bucheit(Krieg deVault),Chris Engel(Krieg deVault),Jon Jessup(JKB Properties, LLC), John Roesch(Bru Cannel, LLC), Mike Cunningham(Bru Carmel, LLC), &Brent Roberts(Phanomen Design) Chris Engel: Commercial Committee Minutes 06-27-19 6 • We believe we have addressed all the comments and will go through all of the comments now. • Comment 1. Engineering had TAC comment related issues: The project engineer has been in contact with Engineering. Building permits cannot be approved without Engineering approval. We ask that tonight's petition is approved with future Engineering approval as a condition. • Comment 2.Addition of pedestrian connection: Kevin Bucheit: A crosswalk is added from the existing path on Old Meridian and taken to the existing sidewalk. Chris Engel: The general concept is that the northern portion of the development is reduced from 13,000 sq. ft.to 6,000 sq. ft. Chris Engel: Another Cunningham restaurant group,Rize,a breakfast and lunch place is planned to come in. • Comment 3. Bike parking: Two areas with the inverted U bike parking apparatus,fitting 12 bikes each, will be installed.Kevin Bucheit: 12 total. • Comment 4.Architectural comments: Based on conversations between Brent Roberts and Rachel Keesling,all have been addressed. • Comment 5. Lighting: There was a question whether there would be additional parking lot lighting?There will not be. • A lighting sub-issue is whether or not lighting against buildings is direct or if shading and blocking will be used. In Tab 7 of the Submitted Packet is a lighting plan cut sheet. At some point there was consideration for parking lights which can be disregarded.On page 16 of the Submitted Packet is a rendering of what the lights along the side of the building will look like.The lighting illuminates down and there is not direct lighting visible. • Comment 6. Landscape Approval: We received approval from the Urban Forester today. • Comment 7. Signage: Staff has been provided the spandrel dimensions which hare designed to accommodate the current signs. It is my understanding that Staff pulled the existing sign files for the site. We will have to obtain sign package approval as appropriate. • Pages 7 and 8 on the Submitted Packet contain renderings. The building is going to have a fresh look and it will be nice to have a quality restaurant and breakfast option in the area. Department Report: Rachel Keesling: • Staff is looking forward to a refresh for the existing building. The provided renderings illustrate how pretty the building will look and the limestone at the entrances will tie in with the existing Bru Burger and their recent expansion and remodeling about 5 years ago. • Brent Roberts: We will have limestone,which was incorporated into the Bru Burger remodel because of the existing limestone house. The current retail center uses EIFS or stucco material. We are looking into adding a brick detail across the top of the building with the Hardie board and batten with a shadow line. Layered in front at the smaller windows is an Ipe(type of wood)archway using teak wood. The Ipe is also the spandrel in which the signs will be located onto. • Brent Roberts: Metal caps top off each of the arches and that is the same finish for the equipment screen. The equipment screens are identical to the one used at Bru burger. The canopies at each of the entries will also be the same finish. • Brent Roberts: There is a proposed patio at the rear of the new building on the north end. It is the triangular shape. It contains outdoor seating and is not enclosed.A guardrail is present.The patio will be a couple of feet higher once the civil engineering is completed. • Part of the building will be removed to better facilitate traffic flow. Parking on the north end of the property is being shifted closer to Old Meridian St.By moving it more consistency and better traffic flow will result. Parking and sidewalks will remain for most the property and many of the changes are on the north end. • John Adams: What is the plan for the outdoor seating?Kevin Bucheit: The triangular area on the northeast portion of the building is where the patio will be located.John Adams: I am always concerned when I see parking right in front of an outdoor eating area. Occasionally people are confused and mistakenly hit the gas pedal instead of the brake. I strongly recommend that you have the project engineers look at barriers. Brent Roberts: There will be an elevation change from the drive area to the patio,we are just not certain how much at this point.John Adams: Please look into how they can hinder a car from entering the seating area. • Parking is being added. Commercial Committee Minutes 06-27-19 7 • One of the architecture comments regards the use of the Hardie panel material to the base level and Staff would like a brick base or separation between grade and the Hardie panel. It is not a great material to use next to the ground.Brent Roberts mentioned there is a manufacturer's recommendation to have the Hardy panel at least 6"to 8"above the ground.That is acceptable to Staff and then the questions stand;what material will then be used and what color will it be?Brent Roberts and I want it to blend in and not stand out.The remodel is a clean look that we want to keep. Staff does not want the material to degrade over time or procure water damage.Brent Roberts: This is true for the Ipe siding as well. We want to keep that clean and off of grade.Different manufacturers of the product will have varying recommendations, between 6"to 8".Rachel Keesling: Staff will want the final dimensions for the file. • The rear of the building is painted to match. • Spandrel panel areas have been identified for each of the signs which is the Ipe material.The goal is to get the existing signs back in those areas and keep them in compliance. • The lighting confirmation is done and no new lighting will occur.New accent lighting will occur which Staff is fine with. • The only outstanding issue is the drainage concerns from Engineering. There is an existing pond in the rear of the building. By tearing down part of the building quite a bit of land is disturbed. • Staff recommends approval condition upon Engineering final approval. Committee Comments: Laura Campbell: • This area is a nightmare for City Council members. I have had to park further away from restaurants because the lots fill so quickly. I am concerned about the number of parking spaces. Are you truly confident with the number of parking spaces provided? Rachel Keesling: The two main uses of this facility should be compatible with each other hours wise. The petitioners have mentioned that people park in their area and then patronize other establishments across the street. Is there an agreement with the adjacent property owners?Mike Cunningham: Yes. Our employees park over there. Laura Campbell: Where are employees parking?Alan Potasnik: Where Estridge is.Rachel Keesling: There is a shared drive leading into the adjacent property.Technically the northern most existing parking spaces are not on their property. Everything is being moved into their property. Chris Engel: There are 187 spaces.Rachel Keesling: Three spaces are gained on the west side and 12 are gained on the north end. Every parking space counts and this is good they are getting more.Alan Potasnik: Do they meet the requirements? Rachel Keesling: They do,by one. Alan Potasnik: So they will have an issue. They meet the parking requirements, but yes they may have an issue. Chris Engel: I believe the issue now is that other people park on the property that are not using the property.Alan Potasnik: That is probably right. I know Bru Burger uses the same driveway. Chris Engel: There is common ownership.Alan Potasnik: You don't mind that?Chris Engel: Anything within the center is alright; it is uses across the street. Mike Cunningham: During dinner Rize will be closed so all the parking on the north end will be available for Bru Burger.Alan Potasnik: Or the Olivia. It is aggravating. If they meet the ordinance they meet the ordinance.Rachel Keesling: Based on square footage and number of spaces provided they do meet the ordinance. If parking does become a problem they may have to hire somebody to monitor things. Alan Potasnik: • Rachel you mentioned earlier that you were concerned materials would either bleed or runoff.There looks to be a brownish metal material,where the parapet is.Rachel Keesling: It is a metal cap that would go over the edge of the top of the panel. Alan Potasnik: Is there any chance that it may rust or bleed down onto the limestone?It appears that's where the issue might be. Brent Roberts: I believe Rachel's concern was primarily that if the material is at the base then the grade will wick the moisture up.A line of wetness will then be present along the base of the building. The manufacturer of Hardie wants the 6"clearance. The ipe siding is similar; it is dense and will not wick like normal wood. Keeping both materials off of grade is in our interest as well. We have no issue addressing Staffs concerns. • With regards to bleeding,that metal will not corrode or stain the limestone or brick?Brent Roberts: It will not corrode. It is typical to have a metal cap at the top of stone. Staining will happen. The metal cap will help to some extent,but that is years down the road. The cap isn't adding to the problem,but limestone over time will show stains.Alan Potasnik: We have had buildings six months after occupation Commercial Committee Minutes 06-27-19 8 start staining. Overall this is an attractive addition.Nice job! Brent Roberts: The metal cap is factory finished aluminum and doesn't corrode like other materials. John motions to approve Docket No. 19050028 ADLS Amend with the condition that Engineering approves the plans,Laura seconds,motion passes 3-0. Meeting adjourned at 7:26 PM. Nathan Chavez Recording Secretary Alan Pota ik Committee Chairman Commercial Committee Minutes 06-27-19 9