HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes COM 09-03-19 4. Docket No. 19060019 DP/ADLS: Franciscan Orthopedic Center of Excellence.
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a 4 story,236,231 sq.ft. orthopedic hospital, surgery center,
medical office building, and 664 space parking garage on 10.8 acres. The site is located at approximately 10800
Illinois Street. The site is zoned MC/Meridian Corridor. Filed by Marty Rosenberg of Methodist Sports.
Petitioners: Marty Rosenberg(Meridian Development), Bob Harmeyer(MSKTD), Scott Wells(Tonn and Blank
Construction),Martin A. Roesli(Tonn and Blank Construction), Robert Hicks(Hall Render),&Jennifer Lasch
(Cripe)
Marty Rosenberg:
• Meridian Development owns all 35 acres once we acquire 30 of the 31 houses in the Meridian Suburban
subdivision.
• We have not allocated any of our additional land for this project except the 12-acre parcel considered for
this petition.The remainder of the land will be used for future development. It will take at least a year
before we are able to access the Meridian Suburban subdivision land.
• I met with some members of Spring Mill Place subdivision to the west and made some changes to the
design of the parking deck and lighting to address concerns of the neighbors.
• A trail will be installed on our property;however,the full trail system will extend throughout the full 35
acres. We plan on having a full trail on the 35 acres and would like to incorporate the trail system with the
City of Carmel Parks Department. We have discussed installing certain fitness stations which will be
open to the public.There will be scheduled times when our athletic trainers and physical therapy staff will
be on the trails for scheduled activities open to the public. It is our intention to include the trail throughout
the 25 acres as soon as it's assembled and rezoned.
• All of the other design modifications and plans for the 12 acres will be talked about by Bob Harmeyer.
Bob Harmeyer:
• Bob passed around a document titled Perspective Renderings with& without landscaping.
• In the original Commission Submitted Packet the renderings included landscaping,which obscured some
of the view of the buildings. Some of the trees and landscaping obscured the building and its architecture.
In the document are two renderings one with landscaping and one without.
• Additional comments included lighting.The next exhibit(titled Site sections with lighting)shows lighting
on the two main entrances to the site. There are concerns regarding how exiting vehicles will affect the
residences across N. Illinois Street. In this exhibit you will see the building section through the site east to
west from the residences across N. Illinois Street to the medical building and office structure.A dashed
red line is present to indicate the maximum height permitted by the zoning,which is nine stories. The
residence to the building structure itself is 330-ft. apart. The red lines on the site plan show where the
section is pulled from. The second section shows the residences to the garage structure.The pole heights
were included with a yellow glow, indicating the light cut offs.The perimeter poles on the parking garage
have 100%cutoff because they are shielded on the neighborhood side. The lights only shine one way.
• Bob passed around a document titled Light Fixtures.
• The proposed light fixtures we are proposing have recessed lights in the fixture.Typically the LEDS are
exposed and the light glow can be seen.These fixtures are an attempt to address that issue. There is no
exposed light source now. Page two shows the various fixtures for that line.The middle light fixture is
proposed on the edges of the garage and has a shield that drops down.
• Bob passed around a document titled Light Comparison.
• In addition we are proposing a warmer more comfortable light. LEDS have color temperatures that range
from a very blue harsh light to a warmer,yellower,more comfortable light. We are selecting the yellow
warmer lighting. Finally,we are agreeable to add motion sensors with timers to all the lights on the upper
deck. They will only turn on with activity.Marty Rosenberg: We have limited traffic at night. From 8:00
pm to 5:30 am there is very little traffic.The people staying overnight are patients, staff,and some family.
We estimate the majority of the traffic will stay on the first level during the dark hours.
• Bob passed around a document titled Additional Landscaping.
• This document shows the overall site plan and a view down the street. We are proposing planting a
number of evergreens across the main entrance on City right-of-way. It won't be too dense, but will
provide additional buffering from exiting vehicles.Marty Rosenberg: We would do this prior to
construction so the trees may mature.Joshua Kirsh: This will be in the median?Marty Rosenberg:No.
One of the concerns is disturbing vision clearance. There is a curb-cut of right-left traffic and those
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exiting could not see oncoming traffic. We would pay to install the mature trees and it mitigates issues of
vision clearance. Bob Harmeyer: The multi-use path on the west side on N. Illinois St. kicks out towards
the street and the landscaping would be to the west of the path.The majority of the traffic will exit from
that central drive.
• That addresses questions and concerns expressed during the Commission meeting.
• To address comments in the Department Report,there was a comment regarding bicycle parking in the
parking garage. There is an area allocated in the southwest corner of the garage for bicycle parking.This
document(titled Bike Plan—Parking Garage)demonstrates how it will be laid out and the type of bike
racks. It will be an enclosed and secured location. Marty Rosenberg: Our requirements include providing
a space that is locked with key access. It will be visible with cameras in the garage. We will also have a
work bench,tools,and pumps to fix their bikes. The racks will consist of wall and ground mounted. We
have the three required bike parking facilities at the main entrance as well.
• Bob passed around a document titled Parking Structure Green Wall.
• I believe the remaining comments and questions regarded the architecture of the two buildings.Marty
Rosenberg: One of the comments we received when speaking with community representatives led to the
concept of a green well,with live plantings on the wall. This will soften the approach and create a better
aesthetic,especially on the west elevation. Our landscape architects created various versions.This is not
an easy endeavor. In order to keep the wall alive we must pick the right kind of plants. Indianapolis does
not have the greatest weather in January and February. We do want the wall to look nice year round and
we are looking at an irrigation system that will support the plants throughout the spring, summer,and fall.
• We are proposing this on the western elevation and it may wrap around the corners. We are envisioning a
cable structure to vine plants upwards.The plants will likely not make it to the top of the garage,but the
hope is to screen a substantial portion. We would like to alternate planting types for variety.
Unfortunately,the best screening vines are an English Ivy which is invasive and tears into things. We are
examining other options.
• Those are the proposals and are meant to address the concerns at Commission.
Alan Potasnik: Rachel this is the first time you are seeing all of this information?Rachel Keesling: Yes.Alan
Potasnik: This is a lot of information. I have a feeling this will be continued to next month's meeting.
Department Report: Rachel Keesling:
• Thank you for looking into everything and having this(living/green wall)as a viable option.
• I would like more details about the living wall. How will it be watered?Which plants will be used?How
will it climb the side?You mentioned a cable?Bob Harmeyer: It depends on the particular plant life. We
would work with Staff to determine which is acceptable.
• Can you bring out the materials?I want to know how the living wall would impact the choice in building
materials for the garage. Bob Harmeyer:No,the idea is that the system would be in front of the actual
garage material. Alan Potasnik: When you say 'in front of',what do you mean by that?Will there be a
skeletal system?Bob Harmeyer: The perforated material on the garage will be a lighter gray(Page 1 &2
of document titled Proposed Materials). We will need to come up with some sort of standoff which will
be in front of the building.A cable system or structure will then be present for the vines to grow up. We
don't want vegetation blocking the garage ventilation.
• Joshua Kirsh: We don't have to invent this.There are people in much colder climates that are doing this
successfully. Great Growin's is a Cannel business that does this. In the past the Commercial Committee
(Committee)has been shot down when we proposed these living walls. Petitioners do not want to cover
up expensive building materials. What can the Committee and Staff do to allow a green wall?Will
Committee allow a concrete façade with a maintenance plan to keep the wall green and if it doesn't come
to fruition we hold a bond and they then cover it?Rachel Keesling: I don't know if I want to see two
different materials while we are waiting for the vegetation to grow back. Bob Harmeyer: That is why we
are suggesting maintaining the building material behind it. We will remain screened and when the
vegetation dies in the winter there will still be screening.Joshua Kirsh: These are typically vines;a lot of
these products are plugs that are planted in.Bob Harmeyer: We are suggesting a vining material. We
have seen the plug system and they are extraordinarily expensive. There are drastic irrigation concerns for
three stories we are looking at.Vining makes this easier and possible.Joshua Kirsh: There are a lot of
good vining products out there.
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• We have one petitioner tell us they would start growing the vines offsite and then transplant them onto
site at a later date.Bob Harmeyer: We have not discussed that,but can look into it.Marty Rosenberg:
That's probably a question for Great Growin's.The issue is we do not have a ton of resources.We like
the concept;however, it will just take research to blend the proposed building materials with the living
wall systems.
• How would this impact the landscaping plan in front of the living wall? Would it need to be altered to
ensure survival?Bob Harmeyer: We would just shift the foundation plantings out away from the wall.
• I felt like the design of the building and garage are complimentary to each other.Thank you for providing
the renderings without landscaping.You can see the openness created from the glass and the sky bridge.
Staff likes the design and thinks the Petitioner has done a good job. We worked extensively on the
screening of the parking garage to ensure screening of all the floors. Marty Rosenberg: That screening
goes 6-ft. above the garage wall.Bob Harmeyer: 7-ft.There is a screen wall along the entire perimeter of
the garage and there should not be any vehicles that can be seen above the screen. Marty Rosenberg:
The chosen perforated material has considerably smaller perforations than used elsewhere in Cannel.
There were safety, security,air flow,and light pollution concerns which led to the selection of material.
Ron Houck(Carmel Citizen): It will be in the grey color?Rachel Keesling: The light grey will be used?
Bob Harmeyer: Correct.Rachel Keesling: From a distance one will not be able to see the perforations,
especially while driving. Bob Harmeyer: It will look like a solid panel. There are two colors used in the
metal panels(page 3 of Proposed Materials). Solid metal panels(page 5 &6 of Proposed Materials)will
be used in the window systems and will be dark grey. There are limestone panels(page 7 of Proposed
Materials)that go on the garage and medical office building. The limestone accentuates the stair towers
on both the building and garage.
• Bob Harmeyer: There is a blueish glass panel that goes into the building(pages 8-10 of Proposed
Materials).Rachel Keesling: My thought, in bringing up the colors, is that the perforated part looks
lighter on the perforated section,but it is not as stark as the actual colors(page 3 of Proposed Materials).
The provided samples aren't as"black and white".Bob Harmeyer: It is difficult for rendering software
to differentiate the perforation between the actual colors.Rachel Keesling: This is something that can be
misleading in the renderings. Both colors are darker.Joshua Kirsh: The dark grey is the dark color on
the rendering and the light grey looks white on the rendering?Bob Harmeyer: Yes.
• Marty Rosenberg:Jill Meisenheimer(meeting attendant),the software has difficultly showing the true
colors.Rachel Keesling: Is it possible to adjust the drawing or even take away the perforation to show
what the true colors would be?Bob Harmeyer: We can try. Alan Potasnik: Rachel, is that a graphic
from the dual renderings?Rachel Keesling: Yes. I worry that we are only seeing the"black and white"
rendering,when it is really not this stark a contrast. It is dark grey and light grey. We are one step closer
because we know the size of the perforation and we know we have floor to ceiling coverage of the
parking garage. Marty Rosenberg: We are trying to choose an innovative lighting structure,which
comes at a fairly considerable expense, but we feel it is a better lighting fixture for this purpose. When we
created the section view of the garage we made sure the height of the lights is not visible to residences to
the west.As one moves east,the light poles are taller and should not bleed over.
• Alan Potasnik: Did you include in anything,a graphic of what the project would look like from the
residences?Marty Rosenberg: We tried to do that with Site sections with lighting.Alan Potasnik: That
does not show the view. Marty Rosenberg: We tried to shoot with a drone,but the pictures would not be
of value because of existing trees hindering the view. It is just hard to do because of the trees on the
subject property.Joshua Kirsh: Alan, is your question 'if I am standing in someone's backyard looking
at the site'?Alan Potasnik:Not necessarily standing in the backyard,but what the residences might see
when they look over that way. The rendering Ron Houck brought last time of the view is unacceptable as
a neighbor.Marty Rosenberg: I understand. Choosing the light fixtures and screen wall ensures a
resident will not see any light. Standing on the roof one could still not see it.Alan Potasnik: I just find it
hard to believe that a computer rendering can't capture what a resident might see.What was provided
does not tell me anything.Bob Harmeyer: Page two of Perspective Renderings with&without
landscaping shows a view on N. Illinois Street while pulling in.Alan Potasnik: If I'm a residence and
look over there,that is what I'm going to see?Bob Harmeyer: Yes,but you will also be another 200-ft.
away. Alan Potasnik: That is nice of you to describe but.Joshua Kirsh: There will be a wall also.Bob
Harmeyer: Yes there will be a 6-8 foot wall.Marty Rosenberg: We had the wall surveyed along N.
Illinois St.At the lowest point,a wooden fence, is 6'-3"at the highest point is a little over 10-ft. At any
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one area it is a 6-8 feet. wall and some sections are built on a berm. It is not a brick wall along its entirety.
Some portions are wood fencing.
• Bob Harmeyer: On Site sections with lighting we are also showing what the current zoning allows. The
red line also shows the setbacks. The proposed buildings are pushed away from the setback. The buildings
are not flush with the property line and the distance varies.
• Marty Rosenberg: We looked at pushing it back even further,but can't be done because of the property.
There are utility easements, setbacks, and a gas pipeline easement. Bob Harmeyer: Along US 31 there
are drainage and sewer easements.Jennifer Lasch: There is a regulated drainage easement as well.Bob
Harmeyer: We are up against US 31 as far as possible without being in the easements.Jennifer Lasch:
This still allows for the perimeter drive.Rachel Keesling: They do have those dashed lines shown on the
site plan.Jennifer Lasch: The pipeline easement bisects the property as well.
• Alan Potasnik: Is the gas pipeline shown?Jennifer Lasch: It is the diagonal lines between the two
buildings.
• Bob passed out a document titled Site Plan—Enlarged.
• Jennifer Lasch: We can't do much over the pipeline and have minimized the grading and paving over the
easement. Marty Rosenberg: The easement also set the height of the sky bridge. The gas company
wanted it off the ground a specific distance.Jennifer Lasch: All the easements and setbacks locked the
design in. Bob Harmeyer: The hospital has to have the loop drive for firetruck access.
• It is good to have this dialogue about the materials,drawings,and additional proposals.
• Can I have a blow up of the bicycle garage plan and will run this by the Alternative Transportation
Coordinator?It is good that it is there.
• The lighting plan compliance:the west and south property lines still have some overages and I need a
plan showing the foot-candles all the way to the property line. I do need this as an outstanding item.
• Is it possible to use the dimmers on all levels of the garage?They would be set to low and if someone
drove by they would brighten. Scott Wells: We could have certain lights that are always on and others
that are on motion sensors.Rachel Keesling: Just so the whole structure is not on all the time and it could
be energy saving for you as well. Please look into that.
• I like the idea of the trees on the west side of N. Illinois St. I think it could be helpful if we could put it on
the site plan. We will work with the Urban Forester about this. Let's also look at the south entrance, if not
then maybe planting more trees opposite the entrance.Can we put more trees at corners?Jennifer Lasch:
There is a lot of underground storm water infrastructure there. Bob Harmeyer: The south drive is meant
to be only for service vehicles. Rachel Keesling: I will reexamine the storm water.Can you show us
where underground storm water will be located?Jennifer Lasch: In the southwest corner near the batting
cage is an underground water system. There are three systems connected in order to address the drainage.
Rachel Keesling: What does the north side have?Jennifer Lasch: The system is underneath the parking
lot,which connects to treatment areas and another system.Rachel Keesling: There are three on the north
and three on the south?Jennifer Lasch: Yes. The three on the south and a little smaller than the northern
ones.Alan Potasnik: It is all underground?Jennifer Lasch: Correct. Scott Wells: Based on the gas
pipeline and site grading there is no way to have surface detention.
• What about my question for the pole lighting in the north parking lot?If that was a future development, I
believe it will be used for valet parking?Marty Rosenberg: It will be used for valet parking.Rachel
Keesling: How will lighting work?Will you stub in the lighting bases and not install fixtures?I thought
you said this would possibly occur in the future depending on bids?Bob Harmeyer: Base bid is just an
open area. Rachel Keesling: With nothing?Bob Harmeyer: The landscape plan would probably be
present.Jennifer Lasch: Underground detention will be present. Scott Wells: We would run the conduits
off the poles. Rachel Keesling: You would run the conduit through the ground and nothing would come
up?Scott Wells: Right.
• Is there anything else you all would like to talk about regarding the design of the parking garage and
where the inspiration stemmed from?At the Commission, comments included why the building wasn't
more colorful. Bob Harmeyer: We wanted a crisp, clean,modern building that wasn't overly ostentatious
or pretentious. Marty Rosenberg: Our main tenant is Franciscan. The Franciscan Order of the Catholic
Church is a conservative and frugal organization. Franciscan will build nice buildings,but will design
buildings that meet the needs of the occupants but also cater to the conservative design preferences of the
Franciscan Order. We are sensitive to buildings that may be considered overly designed and ostentatious.
Some of the designs and the green wall are consistent with how we can create a living space to soften the
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view. There was also a concern about why we are building so many parking spaces.This building sits on
its own and the parking garage supports the building. It is not the end of our development. It is our
intention to develop the rest of the land. We need the ability to create structured parking throughout the
land on other parcels that will support buildings on the 6 acres and 20 acres. Part of the capacity for the
garage is for a building to the north of that project.Bob Harmeyer: If we do look at employee count and
peak patient counts during the day,we will be near capacity as designed. If we reduced the parking counts
by any drastic number, say eliminate a floor,then we will be short parking for the facility. We can follow
the zoning ordinance,but it will not be adequate for the facility. Marty Rosenberg: Shortening the
garage or eliminating a floor creates a challenge for building the sky bridge. It lowers the total profile and
the bridge needs to be a certain height.The consequences are back and forth. A lot of the capacity will be
used with the growth of our facility. We are doubling our staff and space over the next five to six years.
We still anticipate building another corporate building for purposes yet defined on the six acres to the
north.A second parking garage will probably go in the middle to provide parking for the two buildings.
We still have an obligation and opportunity to develop the remainder of the site.
Committee Comments:
Alan Potasnik:
• Brad Grabow was concerned at the noise from the power generators and screening of that. Bob
Harmeyer: We have two backup generators on the facility. There are required weekly test cycles. We can
time those tests to be at any point during the day or night. If there is a preference for that we can set that
up to run when needed. Page 13 and 15 of Perspective Renderings with&without landscaping shows the
screening method.The generators have been pushed to the back of the building along US 31. There are
generators,transformers,and an oxygen tank,which is the highest structure.The screening comprises
precast panels with perforated panels for ventilation purposes.This area was pushed as far from the
residential area as possible. It should not be more noise than what is generated from US 31.
• Are there different waste containers needed?Bob Harmeyer: The dumpsters are also tucked in the
screening area as well. Alan Potasnik: Is that also where deliveries occur?Bob Harmeyer: Correct.
Alan Potasnik: Is there any type of safety aspect,with regards to a truck backing into an oxygen tank?
Bob Harmeyer: The docks and oxygen tanks are separated.The docks are recessed down. There is a
separate gated enclosure to access the utility yard,where the transformers,generators,and oxygen tank
are. They are close but separate.Alan Potasnik: There is no way a truck could cause a catastrophe?Bob
Harmeyer: Correct,the screening around the oxygen tank is the precast concrete walls. It front of the
gate there is a spot for oxygen tank trucks.They are able to pull in parallel and run a hose to refill the
tank.Alan Potasnik: Is there any biohazardous waste?Bob Harmeyer: Medical waste is stored within
the facility and trucks haul away the waste via the docks.Alan Potasnik: There is no way someone can
access that from the outside?Bob Harmeyer:No.Marty Rosenberg: We are governed by Indiana
hospital regulation on how medical waste is disposed.It's all contained and secured within the facility.
Specific credentials are required to remove the waste.
Joshua Kirsh:
• Would you look at doing some median treatments at the south and north drives in the forms of grasses or
bushes?I think that will help with light pollution coming off the property. Bob Harmeyer: If there are no
site line issues,then sure.Joshua Kirsh: Because there you aren't going to have a median break at those
two.Bob Harmeyer: Correct.Joshua Kirsh: All those people should be worrying about is traffic coming
from their left.
• We do not like the proposed racks in Cannel.Bob Harmeyer: Those are interior.Joshua Kirsh: We
have never been a fan of them. I'm just prepping you to convince the Alternative Transportation
Coordinator.
• The placement of the door is going to put one at a disadvantage when trying to put move a bike into the
parking garage bike room, if a car is parked adjacent to the room. If the door were in the driveway there
would be less difficulty. Please examine what it would be like to put a bike in that room with a car parked
adjacent.
• Maybe putting the room on the southeast side(of the garage)would provide more room. Bob Harmeyer:
We originally had it at that location,but we moved it closer to N. Illinois St. so it is easier to access and
closer for cyclists.A cyclist also doesn't have to cross the drive lanes.
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• I appreciate the color significance of the materials.
• I like the vertical gardening elements. If you provided even a quarter of the proposal,that is significant.
• Marty Rosenberg: Our employees do want hanging bike racks. There is less damage done to bikes when
they are hanging. The employees requested if ground racks are installed then wall racks are also made
available.Joshua Kirsh: I suggest checking racks in the City garages. Marty Rosenberg: We did look at
the racks near the Cannel Redevelopment Commission.Joshua Kirsh: Please work with the Alternative
Transportation Coordinator. My thought is the proposed bike rack does not afford you the opportunity to
actually lock a bike in a safe fashion.Bob Harmeyer: They are in a secured room and it is access only.
The racks in front of the building are as secured.
Laura Campbell:
• Please clarify the pedestrian access in the garage. Is there a ground walkway from the garage to the front
door?Marty Rosenberg: Yes.Jennifer Lasch: It is under the sky bridge.
John Adams:
• I am not in a position to vote for this. There is a lot of information to process. This is a progress meeting.
When you come back next month,please try and get us information beforehand.It is difficult to work on
things and there is a short turnaround from Commission. Alan Potasnik: I agree. We both do electronic
packets and it is hard to take all this in.
Alan Potasnik:
• Jill Meisenheimer and Nick Kestner both mentioned that the parking garage needed color and were
concerned it would be another typical KAR garage.The proposal is different and certainly not dull. Have
you folks had any experience with anything such as a living wall on other projects?Bob Harmeyer: I
will need to consult the landscape architects.
• Joshua, I want to know what the living wall is going to look like year-round. I understand during the
winter months the wall won't be green,but I want to know what it will look like. Is something like this
viable in our climate? Is this something that will be in a covenant or enforceable form for the
maintenance of these things in perpetuity?Rachel Keesling: If you commit to the living wall it will need
to be maintained. If it dies off then you will need to replant it. Marty Rosenberg: Our intention is to
make sure whatever is installed will be maintained. Whatever suggestions the landscape architects give
will be followed.Joshua Kirsh: It is the same as landscape plan.Bob Harmeyer: I assume it will be no
different than that. We are required to have 21 trees and if one dies then we are required to replace it.
Alan Potasnik: That may be true but I want to make sure that this is something different.Joshua Kirsh:
Do you want to see what all of the beds will look like during the winter?Alan Potasnik:Just the parking
garage.Joshua Kirsh: Are we going to deny the proposal if it is brown four months of the year and not
green?Alan Potasnik: I just want to see what it will look like during the winter. Laura Campbell: I
agree.John Adams: It is a design element,but what if it just doesn't work out. What will be left with?
Bob Harmeyer: Page two of Parking Structure Green Wall includes a rendering of the garage without
the living wall. During winter assume there may be some cables or structure.John Adams: Won't it be
full of dead brown leafs?Bob Harmeyer: It depends on the vines we select. Some do maintain vines that
stay up like the English Ivies.Others, like Hops,die back to the ground and are stripped back so nothing
is present in the winter.Marty Rosenberg: The living wall is an architectural enhancement and is no
different than any of the other plantings,which die back and will be maintained. We will do whatever the
landscape architects suggest. Laura Campbell: Winter is harsh on living walls and they are high
maintenance. I like them and although we are trying to encourage more people to use them, it is going to
stand out. After the first season of my living wall only half grew back. I ended up sticking artificial plants
in and then tearing it down. I do have concerns.Bob Harmeyer: We will not have plantings going up the
side of the building,but have plants in the ground that will vine up. The only place vegetation will grow
is in the ground.There are no pots or dirt on the side of the building. In the winter they will die back.
Alan Potasnik: Hopefully they grow back in the spring. Bob Harmeyer: Or we plant new ones.Marty
Rosenberg: The alternative is the screening and material included on the original drawings. We are trying
to soften the façade viewed from N. Illinois Street.
• It is your intention to be seen at the next Committee meeting and include the material presented today in
the packet?Marty Rosenberg: Other than what was presented today or do you want to see a different
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view?Alan Potasnik: The renderings that show the office building and garage do not include the living
wall.Marty Rosenberg: Then yes.
• With regards to lighting, it is not your intention to have the top level lights on all the time?Bob
Harmeyer: Correct.Alan Potasnik: These will be as needed?Marty Rosenberg and Bob Harmeyer:
Motion sensors.Alan Potasnik: Will it be that way throughout the entire garage?Bob Harmeyer: It can
be.Rachel Keesling: I asked that earlier. Marty Rosenberg: For security reasons,especially on the
lower levels with more traffic,we will have lights on low and motion sensors will brighten the lights.
Alan Potasnik: It is not your intention to have it on 24/7?Marty Rosenberg: It will not.The amount of
screening will minimize a lot of the light. It is not your intention to have it on 24/7 even on the lower
levels.99%of traffic will be between 5:30 am and 8:00 pm.
• From the depiction there are two points of ingress and egress from the parking garage?How many
pedestrian points are there?Marty Rosenberg: There is a front pedestrian walkway underneath the sky
bridge. Bob Harmeyer: There is a stair tower in the corner with pedestrian access and the bicycle egress
is present also.
• The hospital and the medical office building are joined correct?Bob Harmeyer: Yes, It looks like one
building. From a building and code perspective they are two separate occupancies and construction types.
It is designed to look as one.Alan Potasnik: I have been to the St.Vincent Heart Hospital. Sometimes it
is very difficult to determine where the entrance is to the heart hospital and medical office building. What
is the intention to differentiate?Bob Harmeyer: There is one main entrance which then splits between
the hospital and medical office building.There is directional signage once one enters the structure. Marty
Rosenberg: There is a common lobby. One side is clearly marked hospital.Alan Potasnik: A visitor
going to see a doctor will not have any confusion?Bob Harmeyer: There is one main entrance with a
central set of stairs and elevators.
Rachel Keesling:
• Please provide a few more views of the garage and the view from N. Illinois St.,especially coming
northbound,southbound,and on 106t Street.
• Where is the door for pedestrian access on the garage?Bob Harmeyer: Screened.Rachel Keesling: We
want to see everything that is as true as it will possibly be.
• Do we feel that having renderings of the garage with those two tone colors will be enough?Is there any
more discussion about architecture?I personally really like it. I just want the Petitioners to know
everything they can to prepare for the next meeting. Marty Rosenberg: We will bring our landscape
architect in,as well as consult with Great Growin's.
Ron Houck: The lighting plan sheets they passed out list the foot-candles as 0.5 and it is supposed to be 0.1 from
across from N. Illinois Street.Rachel Keesling: That is correct. I will review the submitted documents and let
them know of the error.Ron Houck: With regards of the courts, it sounds like potential for a lot of noise from
that area. Is there an option for a masonry screen?Marty Rosenberg: The noise generated from that area will be
no more different than a kid playing basketball in your neighborhood. It is meant for rehabilitation patients to
ensure they are healed for their sport. Ron Houck: It sounds like the southern drive is directly across from my
backyard. Can supplemental plantings be installed there?There will not just be lights,but also truck traffic.
Marty Rosenberg: Is this just during the construction phase?Ron Houck:No, in perpetuity. Bob Harmeyer:
Similar to what we are suggesting across the main entrance?Ron Houck: Yes. Marty Rosenberg: Is this in
addition to or in replacement of the median plantings?Ron Houck: I am concerned about plantings on the west
side of the street. Marty Rosenberg: Do you want median plantings or plantings on the west side?Ron Houck:
West side. Marty Rosenberg: If the City of Cannel agrees to it then I have no objections.
Docket No. 19060019 continued to the October 1s`,2019 Commercial Committee meeting.
Meeting adjourned at 7:38 PM.
Nathan Chavez Recording Secretary Al n Potas tk Committee Chairman
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