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• The two remaining outstanding comments have been addressed.The Urban Forester has approved the
landscape plan.The lighting plan was revised to meet the foot-candle requirements at the property line.
• This project has come a long way from the initial proposal.They used EIFS,the tower was taller,a larger
cabinet style sign was proposed,more building detail was added all around the building,and there is a
different brick pattern on the ground level.This is a nice building for an oil change facility.
• Both parties worked on the site plan to maximize its potential.
• Planter beds were increased.Initially there were three different drive aisles and it is now reduced for more
planting beds and a clearer path into the building.
• Staff has no outstanding issues for this petition.
• At the September 17th Commission, Staff mentioned that variances from a previous property proposal
exist.It is promising that something high quality is coming in.There are no items that do not meet the
overlay,which don't have variances.
• Staff recommends approval.
Committee Comments:
Laura Campbell:
• At Commission I expressed my disappointment that another oil change facility was coming in.I was
hoping to see more.I feel like it is a continuation of Michigan Rd. south of 96th St.Rachel Keesling: We
have our architectural standards in place on Michigan Rd.to push the best product possible.
Unfortunately,every area of Carmel cannot be like our downtown.There are different areas for different
people and those living near Michigan Rd. love this type of development.Michigan Rd.north of 96th St.
is better that what is to the south.Laura Campbell: I drive along Michigan Rd. frequently,and I think
we can do better.Joshua Kirsh: Is it better than south of 96th St.a little bit though?Laura Campbell: I
want to raise the bar.Joshua Kirsh: To me,I feel like these businesses will not survive and that they will
become other businesses,and the city will be left with nice building.Alan Potasnik: That certainly is a
nice building.Joshua Kirsh: I don't think the fluid business will be what we think it will be in a few
years. We could be having coffee here in the future.Laura Campbell: That would be nice.I am just
afraid this will end up like the car wash building that is for sale on Cannel Dr. (Rama Car Wash).Mike's
Car wash came in and now we have this empty building.Joshua Kirsh: Mike's Car Wash was there
before the recent one.Alan Potasnik: Are you talking about the one on Carmel Dr.?Rachel Keesling:
Rama Car Wash.Alan Potasnik: Duke's was there before Mike's Car Wash.
Laura motions to forward Docket No. 19070003 to Plan Commission with negative recommendation.
Alan Potasnik:
• We are charged with approving it here.Rachel Keesling: You all have the authority.
Laura withdraws her motion.
Joshua motions to approve Docket No. 19070003,Alan seconds,2-1,Campbell,absent Adams.No Decision.
Joshua motions to forward Docket No. 19070003 to Plan Commission with positive recommendation,Alan
seconds,2-1,Campbell,absent Adams.No Decision.Docket No. 19070003 is tabled.
Brian Cross: In the B-3/Business zoning district is this a permitted use?Rachel Keesling: Yes.
6. Docket No. 19090002 ADLS Amend: Firestone-Exterior Color Change
The applicant seeks approval to paint the entire building two shades of grey and update signage.The site is
located at 1314 S.Range Line Rd. It is zoned B-1Business and is within the Range Line Road overlay zone.Filed
by Chris Nagy of BFRC,on behalf of the owner.
Petitioners: Lisa Rains(Sign Solution)
• Sign Solutions is a subcontractor for Bridgestone-Firestone.We were hired to work on their signage. I
have worked with the Sign Administrator to complete the signage only for the project. Staff picked up on
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the fact that some painting was a part of the scope of work. During the sign review process, someone
painted the building.
• Staff notified Firestone that the proposed colors were not going to be approved. Firestone proposed a red
tower entrance.There was no way it would happen.Adjustments were made. Sign permits were almost
ready to go and then Staff discovered the building was painted. The initial drawings only showed the
fascia was to be painted.I have no excuse for why the whole building was painted.Rachel Keesling: The
fascia board at the top was supposed to be painted.Lisa Rains: That was the only thing that was
supposed to be painted.Rachel Keesling:Not the brick.Lisa Rains:Not the entire building.
• Alan Potasnik: I don't understand why there isn't a representative here to explain why the whole
building was painted.There is a negative recommendation in the Department Report.Joshua Kirsh: I am
at the same place.Lisa Rains: I did not think I was the one that needed to come.I had nothing to do with
the painting. Firestone insisted I come because I was working with Staff on signage. I did not realize the
building would be painted.Neither did the Sign Administrator. I think you drove by and saw it.Nathan
Chavez: I drove by on a Friday and saw the painted building. Lisa Rains: He called me and asked
`What's going on?' I don't know why Firestone isn't here.Alan Potasnik: You were put in a tough spot.
• Joshua Kirsh: You are seeking approval to paint the top part of the building and change the brick?I am
trying to understand the proposal.Nathan Chavez: Originally the application including new signage,
which is in compliance,and painting of the fascia.Joshua Kirsh: To give it a fresh coat.Nathan
Chavez: Yes.Lisa Rains: I think they were taking the red and blue away.Nathan Chavez: Yes and
adding dark grey and light grey. I drove by a week later and the whole building was painted a dark grey
and light grey. Because Staff was not favorable to approving painting of the whole building this petition
would need to be seen by Commercial Committee. Originally only an administrative ADLS Amendment
was needed. Painting of the building triggered the need for the Committee because Staff would not
approve painting of the brick.
• Joshua Kirsh: What are we to do?I am inclined to say no. I want someone to be accountable for painting
the brick.Alan Potasnik: I am with you and I think we all are.The Staff recommendation is to deny the
petition,which means,I assume, Staff would like the petitioner to work with them and then be seen
again?Nathan Chavez: Preferably we would like to see the paint from the brick removed. I did ask the
petitioner to provide options for this.Lisa Rains: I do know that it can be sandblasted off.Alan
Potasnik: Would it be appropriate to say that Staff would like to work further with the petitioner on this
and then bring this back to us at the November 7th,2019 Committee?Rachel Keesling: And have a
representative from Firestone?Alan Potasnik: Yes.Joshua Kirsh: Can we approve what was supposed
to happen,but hold it until the resolution is complete?We can solve Lisa Rain's problem tonight.Alan
Potasnik: I see what you mean,but I am going to vote against it.I think this is a sensitive area and street
in Cannel that really needs to be hammered out.I personally would like to have somebody from Firestone
that has authority to explain.Joshua Kirsh: I was just trying to move the ball down the field.Lisa Rains:
you really can't put up the signs until the issues with the building colors are straightened out.
• Alan Potasnik: I am going to make a motion to deny the petition this evening and to have the petitioner
work with Staff and bring it back for the November agenda. One way or another,they are not just going
to walk away from this.Joshua Kirsh: We are not necessarily denying this. We are tabling it. Alan
Potasnik: Yes.Joshua Kirsh: The other question is what can we do to hold Firestone accountable for
this action, should they not show up at the November meeting.Nathan Chavez: I am holding their sign
permits,until this is resolved.Additionally, Staff can send violation notices.Joshua Kirsh: That takes
30-ays to process right?Nathan Chavez: Yes.
Alan motions to table Docket No. 19030003,Joshua seconds, motion passes 3-0,absent Adams.
Meeting adjourned at 7:38 PM.
Nathan Chavez Recording Secretary Alan Po nik Committee Chairman
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