HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 09-15-20 Committee Comments:
Kevin: When is the next neighborhood meeting? Steve Hardin: Next Tuesday at the former Forever 2 in Clay Terrace.
ISue: This is a great project. I want the Commercial Committee to look at the traffic and the existing entrances,as well as
the possibility of adding another entrance to this development.
Carrie: Can you go over the layout of the site plan? What the existing site looks like now and what will be removed and
added? Steve Hardin: Presented the existing layout and the proposed concept plan. Carrie: I've experienced a full
parking lot at Clay Terrace. Parking is a real concern to consider.
Jeff: With the two buildings being demoed,what's the net retail? What's being removed and added? A traffic memo
would be helpful. How many apartment units? How tall is the building? How many hotel rooms?How many parking
spaces for the parking garage?A pedestrian trail from the existing neighborhoods?Can you bring us renderings of how
the greenspace is going to look?Steve Hardin: The amount of retail will decrease. The pedestrian trail will remain and
go further into this development. We will bring the details to your questions to the Committee.
Kevin: Before the Committee meeting,can Staff and the Petitioner meet with Engineering Department to discuss the
possibility of another access point/entrance?Brad: Currently there are two access points and they create some
challenges. A right in and right out has been discussed. We know it's difficult to work with Hamilton County on 146th
Street and INDOT on US 31. We need to investigate if there's a possibility of another access point.
Brad: What does the current PUD require for parking? Are those standards appropriate for the new uses?What are the
net changes in the existing PUD compared to the amended PUD?We need to make sure we have an adequate level of
parking.
Christine: What are the heights for each proposed building?Steve Hardin: Approx. 85-95' for the mixed-use building,
Ioffice building,and hotel. We will need to check on the height for the parking structure. Christine: Can the Committee
look at the signage because some of the proposed signage is increasing and are quite large. Brad: We can look at other
opportunities for signage on the proposed buildings and the east facade of the parking garage. Rachel Keesling: We
don't allow signage on accessory structures,so we will need to discuss this.Brad:As for the garage,we will need to look
at the 4-sided architecture,design, and color of the parking garage since it's in a high-profile location along US 31.
Nick: The City has no regulations for the kiosks.I would like to see how these would work and the proposed locations.
Come up with requirements on the kiosks.Make sure bike parking are in the right spots.
Alan: Can you point out where the buildings are in relationship to the entrances?Can you bring a more detailed depiction
of what you are proposing? Steve Hardin: The existing entrances and 3 lanes in and out will stay the same.Only
between the two roundabouts the boulevard will go from 4 lanes to 2 lanes. We will bring additional renderings and info
to the Committee meeting.
Brad: Is there an opportunity to have any of the parking below grade?Steve Hardin: Our plan is not to over-park or
under-park this site. The original plan for the parking garage was double the size as we are proposing it now. The City
encouraged us to decrease the size of the garage. The proposed parking garage has 480-500 parking spaces. We will bring
more details about the parking to our next meeting.
A Motion by Hill and seconded by Zoccola to send PZ-2020-00006 OA to the Commercial Committee with the full
Plan Commission having final voting authority.
Approve 8-0,absent Kirsh.
2. Docket No.PZ-2020-00084 DP/ADLS: AT&T Maintenance Building
3. Docket No.PZ-2020-00118 ZW: Max.Accessory Bldg.Height 18 ft.,20 ft. proposed
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval and waiver approval for a new accessory building and parking
expansion.The new accessory building will be 20' tall and 1,920 sq. ft.42 new parking spaces will be added.
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The overall site is 5.32 acres in size. It is located at 4160 E. 96th Street and is zoned B-3/Business. Filed by Nigel
Downton of AT&T.
Petitioner: Ashley Armbrustmacher,Architectural Designer at EXP
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• Presented an aerial photo of the site
• Presented renderings of the proposed building
• We are proposing to install a new pre-engineered metal building that is 40'x48'. This building will match the
existing building,which was recently painted in June 2020. We had complaints about the appearance.
• We are proposing to add a secure parking lot to the north side of the site. We will use the existing parking spaces
and add 42 new parking spaces.
• We are relocating our climbing poles from the rear of the site to the front of the site
• The height of the new building will be 2' higher than what is allowed. This is to allow us to store our vehicles
and equipment
Public Comments: None
Department Report: Rachel Keesling:
• Their request for the 2' increase(11%)in height is within the 35%allowable amount for a zoning waiver(ZW)
• There are no architectural requirements for this area.This type of building is allowed.
• The proposed maintenance building will be similar to the main building on site
• The surrounding buildings in this area range from 22'-26' in height
• The only outstanding item in the Department Report is regarding a sidewalk connection from the street to the
front door. It is a requirement of the UDO to have an ADA accessible route. The Petitioner has agreed to install.
• Staff recommends suspending the Rules of Procedure to vote on this item at tonight's meeting
Committee Comments:
Brad: What are the materials being used around the windows on the existing building? Ashley Armbrustmacher: They
are stone panels. Brad: I drove by this building and they looked like plywood. It looks like boarded-up windows and
doors,even after it's been recently painted. This looks like a vacant building because of those panels. Nigel Downton,
AT&T: The panels are actually made of concrete sprayed with sand to make a rough texture. That was the recommended
finish to seal the panels from the elements. Brad: Was the choice of color and treatment of the panels approved by Staff?
Rachel Keesling: No,but we asked them to paint the existing building when this petition was filed. We don't know who
recommended the color or texture for the window panels. Nigel Downton: We wanted to match the existing building
with the proposed maintenance building. Kevin: Why can't we have them change the appearance of the existing building?
A fresh paint job did not solve the issue with the appearance of the existing building. Rachel Keesling: The petitioner is
not bringing forth the existing building to us,but rather the new maintenance building. We asked them to paint the
existing building to make it look nicer than what it did.Kevin: We have leverage to have them change the appearance of
the existing building in order to approve their proposed building.Brad: The panels disturb me,but I'll refer to the rest of
Commission. Fresh landscaping will certainly help.
Brad: Can you show where the automated gate will be located? Ashley Armbrustmacher: Presented site plan. The
automatic gate will be located in the back and is where the company vehicles will be stored securely.
Brad: Can you explain visually what the pole climbing training area will look like? Nigel Downton: Three wooden
freestanding poles with guidewires that are 50' apart.They are used 3 days a month for training for our workers. Brad:
Will there be any equipment stored in the training area? Nigel Downton: No equipment. Christine: I also drove by it
and noticed there are existing hedges. Will those get removed for the training area?Nigel Downton: The hedge is being
removed. Christine: How close is the adjacent car dealership? Nigel Downton: There will be a line of trees and a
courtyard that will separate us from them.Kevin: Why are you moving the training poles from behind the building to
where they can be seen? Nigel Downton: We are adding parking spaces where the poles currently exist.By adding our
maintenance building/garage,we need to add hard surface space to allow our large work trucks to give them a large
turning radius.Kevin: Have the removing of the hedges and their landscaping plan been approved? Rachel Keesling:
Yes,the landscaping plan has been approved.
Jeff: Was there a site plan to review for the parking addition?Is detention being required? Rachel Keesling: The site
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plan is what is being presented to you. We have reviewed it. Detention has been proposed to be detained on site.They are
being reviewed by the Engineering Department. They are doing all the right things.
Nick: With the number of outstanding issues,I don't think we can approve this item tonight. We can forward it onto the
Committee with final approval.
A Motion by Kestner and seconded by Rider to forward this to the Commercial Committee with the Commercial
Committee having final approval.
Approved 8-0,absent Kirsh.
Nigel Downton: I would like to proceed with the project without taking any more time. What exactly is the holdup on the
white window panels?Would you prefer them to be gray?Brad: That's an option,but I'll leave it up to the Petitioner to
find a solution. The panels give the appearance of a boarded-up window. Other holdups are the location and height of the
training poles. Nigel Downton: There are mature trees in that area.
Brad: There was a motion to forward this to the Oct. 6 Committee meeting but if you are prepared to make a
commitment on the appearance of the panels,perhaps there will be a new motion. Nigel Downton: If you specify a color,
we will make the changes. Alan: You need to commit to painting the reference areas. Follow Staff's recommendation.
Nick: I'll withdraw my previous motion,and the Petitioner and Staff worked together on the building's appearance.
Kevin: I'll withdraw my second.
A Motion by Kestner and seconded by Rider to reconsider the previous made motion.
Approved 8-0,absent Kirsh.
A Motion by Potasnik and seconded by Rider to approve Docket Nos.PZ-2020-00084 DP/ADLS and PZ-2020-
00118 ZW with the Condition the Petitioner will consult with Carmel Planning Staff on the exterior colors and
appearance of the existing AT&T building.
Approved 8-0,absent Kirsh.
4. Docket No.PZ-2020-00127 Z: Huntington Bank C2 Rezone.
The applicant seeks to rezone the property located at 1215 S. Range Line Road,from the B-8/Business District to
the C-2/Mixed Use District. The site is generally located at the northeast corner of Range Line Rd. and Executive
Dr. Filed by Mike Hollibaugh with the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan
Commission.
Petitioner: Mike Hollibaugh,Department of Community Services:
• This site is more commonly known as the old Walgreens site
• Huntington Bank proposed a branch location in 2016 which was eventually withdrawn by a request from the City
• The proposed rezone will align the property with zoning to the west
• Currently,there's no proposed development plan,but we know that Huntington Bank will be the tenant at this site
Public Comments: None
Committee Comments:
Rider: Huntington proposed two stories and height was a consideration since this is on the east side of Range Line Road.
City Council pretty much had it approved but the Mayor wanted a larger building and to have parking for this location off-
site. This would lead to parking across the street at the City Center parking center. This a problem for me. We can't
promise parking spaces twice.The newer garage is for City Center and not for any other development. I have a problem of
this going in front of the Cannel Redevelopment Commission(CRC)because it takes us out of the decision. I need to see
a concept plan in order for me to support this. This project has to park itself. Mike Hollibaugh: There are no plans. I am
not aware of any commitment that would cause residents or employees to park and walk from City Center parking garage
all the way to this site. Kevin: I was present at the 2016 meetings where it was said people can walk across the street and
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