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turning 120 degrees into a parking space? Doug Wagner: We have not heard any comments yet from Carmel Engineering
Jeff: You are showing storm sewer being installed across the area you are not requesting approvals for. Doug Wagner:
Some of the drainage pipe shown in the commercial area will not have to go in as a part of this PP. We will remove that in
our PP.
Brad: The drainage features require a 20’ wide along the easements. Is there room along the pond for the drainage, 20’
easement and the TPA? Doug Wagner: The 20’ wide easement is for algae control in our common areas.
A Motion by Kirsh and seconded by Hill to forward PZ-2020-00223 PP to the March 2nd Residential Committee
with the full Plan Commission having final voting authority. Approved 9 -0.
Old Business:
1. Docket No. PZ-2020-00119 OA: Sign Standards Amendments.
The applicant seeks to amend the Unified Development Ordinance in order to amend Section 5.39 Sign Standards,
Sections 7.11 & 7.12 Entryway Feature Standards, Section 5.66 Food Stand Use Standards, Section 1.29 Filing
Fees, and Definitions for signage. Filed by the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan
Commission.
Petitioner: Nathan Chavez, Department of Community Services:
• We have gone through 3 Commercial Committee meetings and five major changes occurred
• We removed the 15’ setback standard for building mounted signage – wall, blade, or projected signage
• We introduced canopy sign standards. We have seen more canopy signs with our new mixed-use developments in
Midtown. Sign graphics within the canopy signage can’t exceed the length of the primary signage.
• Additional sign and square footage has been added if an establishment has two drive thru lanes
• Construction fence sign shall not exceed the height of the actual construction fencing
• Illumination levels shall not exceed 0.1 foot-candles at the property line for entryway feature signage
• Staff recommends this is forwarded to the City Council with a favorable recommendation
Commercial Committee Recap: Alan Potasnik, Chair:
• Nathan did a tremendous job in his explanations, research and presentation
• We did discuss the PC’s recommendations and questions at our Committee meetings
Committee Comments:
Brad: Construction fencing signage is allowed 20% of the total mesh area. What does mesh area mean? Nathan Chavez:
The mesh area is referenced to the area used for a wind screen and not the actual fencing.
A Motion by Rider and seconded by Kirsh to forward PZ-2020-00119 OA to the City Council with a Favorable
Recommendation. Approved 9-0.
2. Docket No. PZ-2020-00155 Albany Village PUD.
The applicant seeks PUD rezone approval to allow a new subdivision consisting of single-family detached and
single-family attached residential. The site is located at 14407 Shelborne Rd. on approximately 36.7 acres. It is
currently zoned S-1/Residential. Filed by Jim Shinaver and Jon Dobosiewicz of Nelson & Frankenberger on
behalf of the Logan Group, LLC.
Petitioner: Jon Dobosiewicz:
• With me tonight are Steve Pittman of Pittman Partners, Paul Rioux of Platinum Properties, and Jim Shinaver of
Nelson & Frankenberger
• Presented site plan, as part of the review process, we have made significant changes project modifications and
enhancements.
• Landscape and buffer enhancements were added along the perimeter of this site
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• We added pedestrian amenities including benches, bike parking, multi-purpose field area, path connectivity, and
pocket park
• We will have pedestrian connectivity throughout our development, and a crosswalk on Shelborne Road to the new
Carmel City Park. All paths will be 10’ in width.
• Presented front and rear Elevations of the two-family dwellings. Architecture enhancements were added including
4-sided masonry, pitched roof line, and gables.
• Maintenance plans were added to the OA that includes mulch beds and snow removal
• A min. 50% of all single-family dwellings would include side-loading garage and a min. of 5 lots along the shared
eastern property line with Tallyns Ridge will have side-loading garages
• Enhanced landscape buffer treatment will be added to lots along Tallyns Ridge that includes 4 trees in the rear
lots, in additional to the TPA along the eastern perimeter
• Presented exhibits of 146th Street perimeter landscaping, appropriate buffering is required along this area
• A negative recommendation was voted by the Residential Committee since the connection was not made at 146th
Street frontage road. Carmel Engineering did not recommend this connection.
• We would request that the PC forward this to the CC with a favorable recommendation
Department Report: Alexia Lopez:
• In general, Staff is in support of this PUD proposal at the corner of 146th Street and Shelborne Road
• The developer is proposing a well landscaped buffer along 146th Street and Shelborne Road to help block the rears
of the homes and has agreed to additional landscaping in the rears of homes along the eastern boundary along
Tallyns Ridge.
• They are providing public paths throughout the development and crosswalk on Shelborne Road that connects to
the new Carmel City Park
• Staff did ask for the cul-de-sac to connect to the 146th frontage road and 6’ deep front porches for the homes that
have front porches. If the street connection and 6’ porches can be done, Staff would recommend a favorable
consideration
• If the changes cannot be made, then Staff cannot support this PUD and recommends a negative recommendation
to the City Council
Residential Committee Recap: Sue Westermeier, Chair:
• We had three long committee meetings and a lot of improvements were made
• Overall, we felt we’ve made this into a very nice development
• I think it’s important to have the connection to the 146th frontage road. The only entrance is off of Shelborne.
• 6’ deep porches is an Ordinance requirement for 20% of the homes
• We voted 3-1 for a negative recommendation back to the full Plan Commission
• We would ask the other Plan Commission members to weigh-in on these issues
Committee Comments:
Christine: All the other adjacent neighborhoods have a direct connection to 146th frontage road, not the main 146th
highway. Carrie: I was the lone vote of the Committee in favor of this. To me, the connection at the 146th frontage road is
more a detriment than an improvement. The connection would break up their landscape buffer and noise buffer. The
Petitioner did everything we asked of them. I think this became out to be a beautiful project. I don’t think people will
utilize their front porches like they would their back porches. Kevin: We need to listen to our City Engineers, and they
recommended this connection is not necessary for this development. They would support this either way, but the
connection is not needed. Alan: I agree with Carrie and Kevin. I’m having trouble seeing this connection through this
landscape buffering. Also, the developer can seek a variance through the BZA for the front porches. Josh: I was in favor
of a connection to the 146th frontage road. At some point in time, there will be a median on Shelborne Road which will
prevent left-hand turns into this development. I have also spoken to residents along 146th Street and they aren’t happy with
the increased levels of sound from the new 146th Street. An opening/connection would not make the sound situation
better. Brad: Presented an aerial view of the subject site, the Unified Development Ordinance (UDO) or Carmel Clay
Comprehensive Plan contains no requirement that would make the 146th Street connection mandatory. When the older
subdivisions to the east were developed, they did connect to old 146th because that was the only street that existed. Now
we have the new 146th Street. I think the we need to defer to the Carmel Fire Department (CFD). I don’t see this as a
public safety standpoint of this connection to old 146th Street. The two nearest CFD stations would be coming from the
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south and travel north on Shelborne Road or Springmill Road, and then use 141st Street to enter Tallyns Ridge or
Shelborne Road entrance to access Albany Village. Jeff: The landscape buffer along 146th Street will help maintain the
highest value of this neighborhood. I don’t think this access point is necessary.
Christine: I do want to thank the Petitioner to for adding the additional landscape buffers to the rears of the Tallyns Ridge
homes. Does anyone have an opinion of the same color two-family dwelling homes? Jon Dobosiewicz: I believe we
agreed to have the same color.
Jeff: Can the Petitioner explain the pushback on the front porch depth? Paul Rioux: We had a lot of discussion at our
Committee meetings. We have covered entry ways and not front porches. Porches are an architectural style that doesn’t go
with our plans. Our builder Drees doesn’t have a single house plan with 6’ deep front porches. They have two plans with
5’2” deep porches.
A Motion by Rider and seconded by Holle to forward PZ-2020-00155 PUD to the City Council with a Favorable
Recommendation. Approved 6-3, Kestner, Westermeier, Zoccola.
Meeting Adjourned at 8:08 p.m.
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Joe Shestak Plan Commission Secretary Brad Grabow President