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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 05-18-21 C'' Kr\ ,„ CAft,j • 1!1 iii ICI o amie 11 i ' /NDIA0 CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MAY 18, 2021 I MEETING MINUTES Location: Council Chambers Room, 2"d Floor, Carmel City Hall Members Present: Brad Grabow,Jeff Hill,Nick Kestner,Josh Kirsh,Alan Potasnik, Kevin Rider, Sue Westermeier, Christine Zoccola Members Absent: Carrie Holle Staff Present: Mike Hollibaugh, Adrienne Keeling, Rachel Keesling, Alexia Lopez,Joe Shestak Legal Counsel: Jon Oberlander Time of Meeting: 6:00 PM Declaration of Quorum: President Grabow: 8 members present,we have a Quorum Approval of Meeting Minutes: A Motion made by Kirsh and seconded by Zoccola to approve the April 20,2021 PC meeting minutes. Approved 8-0, absent Holle. Reports,Announcements& Department Concerns: Rachel Keesling 1. Outcome of Projects at Committees: a. Commercial—Cancelled due to no items to review. b. Residential i. Docket No. PZ-2021-00013 DP: Ambleside Point Subdivision Development Plan(DP)—Sent back to PC with Positive Recommendation 3-0, 1 absent. ii. Docket No. PZ-2021-00032 ADLS: Ambleside Point Townhomes—Discussed then continued to June 1. iii. Docket No. PZ-2021-00036 PUD: Bedford Falls PUD Rezone—Sent back to PC with Positive Recommendation 3-0, 1 absent. Public Hearings: Brad: Explained by the Rules of Procedure for a public hearing conducted by the Plan Commission(PC). 1. Docket No. PZ-2021-00048 DP/ADLS: Napleton Auxiliary Lot and Detail Center. The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a new auxiliary parking lot and detail and service center. The site is located at 4538 E. 96th Street(north of the Napleton Hyundai dealership). It is zoned B-3/Business District. Filed by Jon Dobosiewicz and Rick Lawrence of Nelson& Frankenberger on behalf of EFN Crossroads Property, LLC. Petitioner: Rick Lawrence: • With me tonight virtually are Stefanie Day, Rick Brandstatter, and Fred Grier of Napleton. In-person are Jon Dobosiewicz of Nelson& Frankenberger, and Bill Butz, Project Engineer. • Presented an aerial view and site plan • North of this site is Williamson Run subdivision, and auto dealerships to the east and west • Two building pads are shown on the 9-acre site plan. The northern most pad is the subject detailed service center, and the southern pad is for a potential future building that would be approximately 18,000 sq. ft. • Access to this site will be provided in two locations off of Randall Drive • Sidewalk connection will be provided to the building off of Randall Drive • 50' landscape and wooded buffer will be provided along the north perimeter next to the Williamson Run • Presented Elevations, exterior building materials consist of pre-cast concrete panels, smooth white graphic panels, and white frosted glass blocks. This design will complement the architectural in the area. • The detail and service center building will be approximately 13,315 sq. ft. and 18' in height 1 Plan Commission Meeting Minutes 5-18-21 • Roof-top mechanical equipment will be screened • Presented Landscape Plan, it fully complies with the B-3 zoning district.A 50' wooded landscape buffer will be provided along the northern perimeter. The UDO only requires a 30' buffer. • Presented lighting plan, includes pole and wall fixtures that are in compliance with the UDO • Presented proposed sign details • This proposed ADLS and DP fully comply with the requirements of the UDO. We will continue to work with Staff to address the remaining concerns prior to the June 1st Commercial Committee. Public Comments: Jodi Schwind, 10325 Randall Dr.: My front door and office both face this property. It's a nice 10-acre wooded lot, and we understand this site would eventually be developed. We don't object the proposed use but wanted to state our concerns. We would request a landscape or fence buffer along the north side and Randall Drive,to block the headlights that would shine at our homes during the winter months. The 2nd northern access off of Randall Drive would be tough for large trucks to access due to the sharp turn off of the roundabout.We would ask to have an access just off of the roundabout. The ground level of this site will be built up, and we ask to reduce the lighting at the north end of the property. We request for no outdoor PA speaker systems. We believe this site should have more appealing architecture standards instead of plain concrete panels. We are planning a meeting with the Petitioner to discuss these items. Jess DeGabriele,3751 Hannah Ct.: My home backs up to this site.I second everything that was said by Ms. Schwind and I would like to hear more details on the proposed 2nd building. Rebuttal to Public Comments: Jon Dobosiewicz: • We spoke with Ms. Schwind today and have agreed to have a neighborhood meeting with them to discuss their concerns before we meet for the June Commercial Committee • We are agreeing to a 50' buffer and the Ordinance only requires a 30' buffer • We will present an auto-turn exhibit that identifies the ability of vehicles entering and exiting the site • This isn't a typical use in the B-3 district.The main use will be for the storage/parking of vehicles on site.There won't be any movement of the vehicles during the late-night hours. • We need to keep minimal light on site for security purposes • We can make sure there are no outdoor loudspeakers on site • The exterior design and architecture will mimic the Hyundai dealership and other buildings in this area • The potential 2nd building,shows building pad location, we will have to come back to the PC for ADLS review Department Report: Rachel Keesling: • The buildings are oriented to the southeast part of the site,with the parking surrounding them • New vehicular access point is being proposed off of Randall Drive • Detention for this site is proposed through a dry pond at the NW corner of the site,will tie into the existing pond on the SW corner of the site,as well as a new offsite compensatory storage location at 116th Street and Monon Trail • The Petitioner is still working through detention,water quality, and floodplain mitigation review and approval with the Engineering Dept.and the Hamilton County Surveyor's Office • The site will have 747 parking spaces and meets the requirements • We are working with the Petitioner to enhance the site plan through preserving landscaping along the perimeters, increase landscaping around the buildings, and provide pedestrian connectivity between the two buildings • There are no architectural design standards for the B-3 zoning district,and their proposal is similar to what we have seen in this area • We still need to work out the dumpster location, sidewalk with landscaping,tree preservation along Randall Drive,a new sidewalk along Randall Drive,bike rack parking at both buildings,and Engineering and Hamilton County Surveyor's Office approval for drainage • We recommend this is continued at the June 1 Commercial Committee for further review Committee Comments: Christine: Is there anything you can do to provide greater buffer between this site and Williamson Run?Jon Dobosiewicz: It is a significant buffer for the proposed use. 50' buffer where only 30' is required per the UDO. There's 2 Plan Commission Meeting Minutes 5-18-21 also an additional 10' setback. We will have a 100%TPA for this 50' wooded area. Christine: What will be done at this site? Is there a show room?Will repairs be done? Jon Dobosiewicz: This is simply for storage and detailing.No repairs will be done. Christine: Is there anything that can be done to enhance the architecture design of the building, so it does not look like a warehouse?Jon Dobosiewicz: We can discuss this further with the Committee, but we need some input in what they want. We've done an extensive review of the other buildings in this area and got our ideas from the existing buildings with similar uses as us.Jeff: Are there ways to enhance the architecture and elevations that face 96th Street?Jon Dobosiewicz: We will look into that. Christine: For the detention, will you be creating a new pond? Jon Dobosiewicz: Our detention will be a dry pond. Christine: How is this going to be done and look?The tendencies of a dry pond is to have standing water after a large rain.Jon Dobosiewicz: We will now propose to have this as a wet pond instead of a dry pond. Alan: Can you explain where the drainage and detention will be located(on and off site)and how they will work together?Jon Dobosiewicz: Presents site plan, water will be detained to the new onsite detention pond and transfer to the existing detention pond just north of the Hyundai dealership and it will discharge to an off-site detention at 116' and the Monon. The existing off-site mitigation is north of this area by the Apostolic Faith Church(1212 E 116' St.). Jeff: Is this a legal drain or is there any permit needed from Hamilton County?Bill Butz, Engineer: We are converting the long, linear dry pond,to a wet pond. The site does not drain into a county regulated drain. We have been in communication with the Hamilton County Surveyor's office. Jeff: It looks like the NW dry pond encroaches into the 50' wooded buffer area. I want to make sure there's no conflicts with the TPA. How will these detention ponds be managed? Jon Dobosiewicz: We will address these questions at the Committee meeting. Brad: Will this be open to the public?Any public services done? Or no? Jon Dobosiewicz: Correct, it will not be open to the public. Brad: Functionally, what will be conducted on the south side of the building with the canopy? Jon Dobosiewicz: It's a drop-off area for vehicles to be detailed. We will ask our client to be at the June Committee meeting to further address your question. Brad: For traffic circulation for this site,this drop-off area presents a tight U-turn to exit the site via Randall Drive.Jon Dobosiewicz: We will ask our client to be at the June Committee meeting to address your question. Brad: Can you bring in physical examples or color photos of the colors that will be used on the exterior. How Ihigh are the lighting fixtures?Jon Dobosiewicz: II' in height. Brad: What's the grading difference of this site and the average home site in Williamson Run: Jon Dobosiewicz: It's about a difference of 4'-5'. The LED lights will be facing directly down and will not spill over the north property line. Brad: The Ordinance controls the spill-over of the foot- candle at a property line. Brad: Will the signage only face 96' Street?Can something more attractive be done with the font of the signage instead of large block letters? Something more consistent and complementary to the other buildings in this area would be helpful. The east elevation facing Randall Drive is also important since a lot of people use this street. Josh: I would love to see some naturalized treatment at the bottom of the basin. I appreciate the 50' tree buffer but I would request a naturalized wall of mature arborvitae along the north side and east side of Randall Drive, creating an "L" around this area?Can any percentage of this parking area be pervious instead of impervious? A Motion made by Hill and seconded by Rider to forward PZ-2021-00048 DP/ADLS to the June lst Commercial Committee with the full Plan Commission having final voting authority. Approved 8-0,absent Holle. 2. Docket No.PZ-2021-00062 OA: Gas Station Setback& Standards Amendment The applicant seeks to amend the Unified Development Ordinance in order to amend the standards for Automobile Service Stations and associated definitions. Filed by the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Carmel Plan Commission. Petitioner: Adrienne Keeling, Department of Community Services: • The purpose of this proposed Ordinance Amendment(OA) is to increase the setback distance of new gas pumps and vent pipes from underground storage tanks from residentially zoned or used properties • DOCS was approached by the Carmel Healthy Neighborhood Alliance about establishing a public health safety zone around new gas stations at a minimum of 500' setback from residentially zoned properties, schools, and other locations where people regularly spend extended periods of time • Proposing to amend UDO section 5.65, automobile service stations. Proposing to add automobile filling station 3 Plan Commission Meeting Minutes 5-18-21