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CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING
February 28, 1977
The special meeting of the City Council was called to order at 7:30 PM by
Mayor Albert Pickett, who presided. All Council members, Clerk-Treasurer and
City Attorney were present.
Meeting was held at the Carmel Public Library 515 E. Main St.
Councilman Reiman gave the invocation. Mayor Pickett led the pledge of allegiance.
AMBASSADORS: Mayor Pickett stated he would like to coD~ratulate the Camel High
School singing choir, Ambassadors, for takin~ first place in state competition,
competi~ against twenty other choirs.
STANDARD LOCKNUT BOND ISSUE: Councilman Meacham moved to approve Ordinance #D-112
authorizing the City of Carmel to issue its "Economic Development First Mortgage
Revenue Bonds, (Standard Locknut and Lockwasher, Inc.)" and apprsving and authoriz-
ing other actions in respect thereto, which was introduced at last meeting.
Councilman Garretson seconded it and it passed unanimously.
WATER SYSTEM EXPANSION BOND ISSUE: Mayor Pickett opened the meeting for discussion
on proposed Ordinance #A-~9 concerning the construction of extensions, additions,
and improvements to the municipal waterworks of the City of Carmel, authorizing
the issuance of revenue bonds to provide for the cost thereof and all matters
connected therewith. Councilman C~rretson asked how long the construction would
take. Steve Uhrick, of Clyde E. Williams & Associates, stated it would take
approximately 6 months. Councilman C-arretson stated he felt the $32,000 for
resident inspection fees were much too high. Mayor Pickett stated he did not feel
he could go out and hire someone on the spur of the moment to do that work.
Councilman Coots stated he did not feel city employees should do the inspection
for liability reasons. If something was wrong then we couldn't go back on the
contractor or the engineering firm. Councilman Garretson stated he felt the
amount for the design and engineering was in order but he objected strenuously
to the multiplier rate. Councilman Ga~retson stated he would not object to the
bond issue if the City Attorney would draw up a resolution putting a limit of
$20,000.00 on the resident inspection fee. Mr. Zinsmeister, of Clyde E. Williams
& Associates, stated he felt that would be adequate. City Attorney stated he
would do that and present it at next meeting. Mr. Kern stated the minutes were
already written up and suggested the Council move to introduce the ordinance,
even though they normally don't do that. Councilman Garretson moved that
Ordinance #A-49 be introduced. Councilman Coots seconded it. Councilman Swift
asked from what accounts the local share would be coming from. Mr. Ed Guntz,
of McCullough & Associates, stated $100,000.00 from excess in the Water Bond &
Interest Acct. and $113,000.00 from the Water Facilities and Main Extension
Acct. Councilman Reiman asked to have the exact location of where the underground
storage tank is to be pointed out on a map. Mr. Uhrick pointed the location out.
Councilman Reiman then requested to see a drawing of the proposed structure.
Mr. Uhrick stated he would try to get one soon. A representative from the
Brookshire Homeowners Association was present and asked for clarification on how
high above the ground the structure was and where the pipes were going. The
gentleman then expressed concern about the trucks harming the roads. Mr. Hohl,
City Engineer, stated the roads would not be allowed to be left harmed. Councilman
Reiman asked about the price for the site for the storage tank to go on. Mayor
Pickett stated no cash chauged hands, they were given $7,500 credit on availability
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rates when and if they decide to develop. Councilman Swift asked if we had
an agreement with American Aggregate. Mayor Pickett stated yes, an agreement
was signed. Mr. Kern stated an agreement had been signed but they did not yet
have the deed. Councilman Swift stated he did not want anyone to take offense
but he was not aware that the City could buy or sell real estate without the
Council's knowledge. Councilman Swift asked the Clerk-Treasurer if she had a
copy of it. Clerk-Treasurer stated no. Mr. Kern stated the Board of P~blic
Works voted on it and could purchase real estate. City Engineer, Fred Hohl,
stated he didn't feel it bypassed the ordinance. Councilman Swift stated before
any money was put on the project, the Clerk-Treasurer should have somethi~ in
the records about the agreement. Councilman Reiman stated she had noted in the
Board of Public Works minutes that Mr. Kern had stated even if we determined
Layne Northern had absolute liability for well #8 not producing, he felt we
should not disturb them until we get our new well. Councilman Reiman stated she
had understood from a meeting last spring with Layne Northern and Clyde E. Williams
that they would take some of that responsibility. She stated she felt it was just
good business to bring it up before we give them another project. Mayor Pickett
stated he felt drilli~ of well #9 was a completely separate situation than well #8.
We are on a tight schedule on this project and didn't feel we could hassle around
in court over an existi~well that isn't producing. Mr. Kern stated he had not
seen anything that would indicate the contractors were liable. Co~ucilman Reiman
stated they had offered verbally to assume liability. Mr. Herb Zinsmeister, of
Clyde E. Williams stated that that project was not closed out yet. He further
stated that Layne Northern does feel a financial responsibility and Clyde E. Williams
also feels a financial responsibility. The purpose of lettim~ it lay for a few
months is that well #8 still has some value, in case of water storage or failure
of another well, even 200 gallons a minute may be very vital, so CEW, Layne Northern
and the Board of Public Works have let it lay knowing it will be resolved.
Councilman Reiman stated she would like something in writi~ from both the
companies involved. Mr. Zinsmeister stated he would recommend waitim~ until the
new well is drilled and tied into the present system so the 200 gallon well #8 has
a stop gap or emergency or standby use still available. When this case is settled
there is no question but that the screen will be pulled from the well. Councilman
Garretson stated it was his recollection from the meetings that it was the intent
of Layne Northern to use some of the materials from well #8 in well ~9. Mr.
Zinsmeister stated he didn't feel this could be done. Motion to introduce the
ordinance passed unanimously. Councilman Meacham moved to suspend the rules and
pass on the ordinance tonight, Councilman Garretson seconded it and it failed,
6 ayes i nay. Councilman Reiman voting nay.
Meeting was recessed at 8:40 PM.
Meeting was re-convend at 8:45 PM. Councilman D&an not present.
CONTRIBUTION TO AID IN CONSTRUCTION: Mr. Zinsmeister stated he understood the
Council had enacted an ordinance estabtishi~ the water service area and basedon
that their master plan which does reflect a somewhat different area could now be
refined to establish the exact service area and based on whatever guidelines the
City administration establishs, they could recommend a contribution to aid and
construction of an acreage charge and a consumer demand charge. The cost for water
mains and the cost for treatment storage and water supply and facility will be a
matter of record since it cost so many dollars to put so many feet of pipe in the
ground. Thc City administration's decision will be how these dollmrs will be rmlsed,
whether it be totally by developer-builder contribution, whether it be partially by
City contribution in fire protection costs or whatever other means. Councilman
Garretson stated he understood one of the reasons for the meeting dealt with basic
assumptions on which the CEW report was written and that which the Steeg report was
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written. Mr. Zinsmeister stated one apparent difference contributing to
the wide variance of cost of the two reports was whether or not ziolite
softening can be employed or not. He stated he had a 197~ letter from the
State Board of Health stating the ziolite couldn't be used. Councilman
Garretson stated he had talked with Mr. Hilton of the State Board of Health
and it was his understanding the l~tter that was written to CEWwas based
on criteria that was now under review and new standards would be adopted.
Mr. Joe Dawson stated there was quite a variance in the growth figured
between the two reports and very large main difference contributing to a
difference of many millions of dollars. He stated the builders wanted to
come up with a fair amount. If it was not it would restrict development.
Mr. Zinsmeister stated they were a little in the dark as to the differences
in the two reports because they were not furnished a copy of the Steeg report.
Mr. Hohl stated one of the big differences in the two reports was difference
in fire flow. Councilman Garretson stated for the good of the City, CEW should
anticipate using lime soda for softener. Councilman Garretson stated he
understood our goal to be to got the rates established before spring buildio~.
M~yor Pickett stated he felt he should get some input on the fire rating.
Councilman Garretson suggested to the Mayor that Mr. Harnis of the rating
bureau be invited out with representatives from CEW, the Builders Association
and the Board of Public Works and then come to the Council with a firm
recommendation the Council can work with. Mayor Pickett stated they could
possibly have the information to the Council in three weeks.
CATV: Councilman Coots stated that in the agreement with Hamilton Cable TV
signed in 1967 there is a provision that provides changes in established rates
in service. They shall submit a proposed schedule of changes in charges to
subscribers and fifteen days after fili~, or in a time frame agreed to by the
parties, the Town Board shall meet with authorized representatives and review
the proposed amendment. In the event nothing is done in 60 days, the proposed
change is deemed approved. Councilman Coots stated the fifteen days had almost
lapsed so he would suggest the Mayor take some action. Mayor Pickett stated
he would appoint a committee to review it and come back to the Council with a
recommendation. He then appointed three members: Councilmen Swift, Coots and
Reiman. Mr. Kern suggested the committee look at their books and verify
their revenue.
There being no further business the meeting was adjourned at 9:50 PM.
ATTEST:
Approved:
v
Albert B. Pickett, Mayor
Peggy Leu Smith
Clerk-Treasurer