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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes RES 07-06-21 „G pTN„F ER � p. ... City of C I No AN Carmel Plan Commission RESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE Tuesday, July 6, 2021 Meeting Minutes LOCATION: Caucus Rooms,City Hall Members Present: Sue Westermeier-Chair Christine Zoccola Carrie Holle Members Absent: Josh Kirsh Staff Present: Alexia Lopez-Planning Administrator Joe Shestak-Administrative Assistant Meeting Time: 6:00 p.m. 1. Docket No.PZ-2021-00032 ADLS: Ambleside Point Townhomes. The applicant seeks ADLS approval for 130 new townhomes on 60.4 acres. The site is located at 2135 W 146th Street It is zoned Ambleside Point PUD/Planned Unit Development(Z-659-20). Filed by Jim Shinaver and Jon Dobosiewicz of Nelson and Frankenberger on behalf of Hoffman Developer,LLC. Petitioner: Jon Dobosiewicz: • With me tonight are Rex Ramage,Dave Compton,Kyle Eichhorn, Steve Pittman,and Tim Walter • Presented an updated Development Plan (DP) • Additional sidewalks,benches,bike parking,and landscaping enhancements around these items has been added • Landscaping around the entrance signage have been added to the plans • Presented overhead view of driveway with landscaping, similar format as seen in the VOWC • The bench materials will be made of powdered coated metal • 12 kiosk mailbox sets will be located between the buildings across this development • There will be masonry enhancements to the facades that face the street • Three types of building materials will be used on our buildings • Presented building elevations • The side units will have entryways on the side of the buildings,where the middle units will have front entryways Department Report: Alexia Lopez • The Petitioner have addressed some of our comments from the last committee meeting • Additional window trim and the required minimum wainscot is now shown in the rears • Landscaping has been added between the common areas,and around bike parking,benches,and sidewalks • We are looking for more variety in the elevations.Each building will have the same pattern for the front façade, which could get monotonous amongst the 30 buildings. • We are requesting for clear glazing for the windows in the dormers • After these items are addressed, Staff asks for favorable consideration back to full Plan Commission ICommittee Comments: Carrie: Are the windows in the dormers,a dummy window?Is this attic useable?Rex Ramage: It is a real window that is in unfinished attic space.The attic has the exposed trusses of the roofline. Carrie: I agree that more variety is needed. Sue: Why did you change the images? Jon Dobosiewicz: These are the 1 Residential Committee Minutes 7-6-21 images that were submitted with the PUD,that are character illustrations. It gave you examples of buildings that would comply with the PUD Ordinance. Images in the PUD are not submitted to establish a requirement. Carrie: I would like to see the interior units to have the same masonry requirements as the exterior units.Jon Dobosiewicz: They are providing a dozen elevations with masonry. We are providing what was approved in our PUD Ordinance. We are reviewing for compliance,and not preference. Pulte believes they have a quality product. At this point,the 4-unit buildings are what they want to construct. Carrie: The reason we are here is to make sure this product looks the best it could in a highly visible area. I understand the costs and ramifications.Jon Dobosiewicz: There was a time for discussion about what the Commission and Council wanted to see,and we put that in the ordinance. We don't do it the other way around.Christine: Would it look better if you brought the brick all the way to the top. Currently,the elevations look very busy.Rex Ramage: Architecture is subjective. We feel we have provided a variety of different features,elements,colors,and materials on a unit-to-unit basis. We have met the requirements of the PUD. Carrie: What's Staffs view on the Petitioner's comments?If we aren't here to look at the architectural details,then why are we here? Alexia Lopez: With ADLS reviews,there are some subjectiveness that goes into it. We try to get the best project that we can. When looking at the UDO,there a lot of things to consider then just the standards. With this PUD,we knew they would come back for ADLS review, since we didn't get into that level of detail during the PUD review. Sue: I think it's misleading when you provide pictures,elevations,and renderings,and then change it.Jon Dobosiewicz:Presents image of 4-unit product, here's a product by Pulte on the northeast coast. This image is in our PUD.The plans that we have presented for ADLS approval are a significant enhancement then this image. Christine: I just want to make this product the best we can. You see this product all the time. I'm thinking of the vision of all these building in a row fronting 146th Street.Rex Ramage: Keep in mind there are only six buildings that will front 146th Street. With the rate of the speed of the passing cars along 146th and the distance of these units from 146th,the person sitting their car won't be able to notice the architectural details of these units. Only the people who live there and walk by it will be able to see the details. Steve Pittman: During the PUD process,the developers do not have their builder yet. We have ideas of what we want our product to look like.Once it is approved,we reach out to a builder and give them our guidelines of the approved PUD. We present the concept plans during the PUD approval. We understand everyone has an opinion,but we have the guidelines established by Staff, Commission,Council,and ultimately what's in the PUD,that our builder will need to follow.Tim Walter: We have given more to what was required in the PUD. We have provided 55%masonry,where 40%was required. We have also added more landscaping. We are to our breaking point. Carrie: So,what you're telling us,this is it and no tweaking allowed. Steve Pittman: Pulte is frustrated with us.They are going by what is spelled out in the PUD.Rex Ramage: From my perspective,we have made changes for the better. This is the best we can do. Pulte wants this development to succeed. Sue: What changes were made to the rear elevations?Rex Ramage: The window trim is now on all four sides of the unit. Christine: Can you paint the unfinished base trim of the balconies to match the siding color?Rex Ramage:Yes,we can paint that to match the siding. Carrie: Who will maintain the exteriors of the townhomes?Steve Pittman: For the townhomes,the HOA will provide the exterior maintenance. Sue: What was the decision on the glazing of the dormer windows?Rex Ramage: They will be clear. A Motion made by Zoccola and seconded by Westermeier to forward PZ-2021-00032 ADLS to the full Plan Commission with a favorable recommendation. Approved 3-0,absent Kirsh. 2. Docket No.PZ-2021-00073 PP: Albany Village Subdivision. The applicant seeks primary plat approval for 82 lots(36 single-family detached dwelling units and 46 two-family attached dwelling units)on 36 acres. The site is located at 14407 Shelborne Rd.and is zoned Albany Village PUD/Planned Unit Development(Ordinance Z-666-21).Filed by Jim Shinaver and Jon Dobosiewicz of Nelson& Frankenberger on behalf of Lamb Property Developer,LLC. Petitioner: Jon Dobosiewicz: • With me tonight are Steve Pittman,Jim Shinaver,Kyle Eichhorn,and Tim Walter • The three benches will be made of recycled plastic planking and powder coated cast aluminum frame • Trees are required on the backside of every lot that are backed up to the pipeline easement • We can do one tree in each lot,and two along the trail. Whatever the Committee seems appropriate. • Presented a planting plan exhibit that shows the top of the cul-de-sac trailhead. We can bring in some trees closer 2 Residential Committee Minutes 7-6-21