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CARMEL ClTY COUNClL MEETlNG
JANUARY 13, 1986
The meeting of the Carmel CLty Council was called to order by Mayor
Reiman at 7:00 P.M. on January 13, 1986, with Council members
Miller, McMullen, Doane, Fleming, Garretson, Johnson and Badger
present. Also present was City Attorney Andrews and Clerk-
Treasurer Hancock.
lnvocation was given by Miss Doane followed by the Pledge of
Allegiance.
Mr. Fleming made a motion to approve the minutes of December 16,
1985. Motion seconded by Mr. Miller and passed unanimously.
New Business
Election of Council President - Mr. Garretson made a motion to
nominate Mr. Fleming for President of the Council for 1986. Mrs.
McMullen seconded the motion. Mr. Johnson made a motion to close
nominations Mr. Miller seconded the motion. Mr. Fleming was elected
President of the Council for 1986.
City Council - Plan Commission Appointments - Mr. Johnson made a
motion to reappoint Mrs. McMullen, Miss Doane and Mr. Vaughn Story
to the Plan Commission for 1986. Motion seconded by Mr. Garretson.
Vote was taken and Mrs. Sue McMullen, Miss Minnie Doane and Mr.
Vaughn Story were appointed to the Plan Commission for 1986.
Chaplain - Parlimentarian Appointments - Mayor Reiman appointed
Miss Doane as Chaplain an Mrs. McMullen as Parliamentarian for
1986.
Public Hearing - Ordinance Z-210 - Proposed Rezone, Meridian-465
Associates, LTD, lndiana Limited Partnership - A Three-Part Rezone
for a Parcel of Ground 75.969 Acres in size at the N.W. Corner of
1-465 and U.S. 31 in Clay Twp. - Mayor Reiman explained the
procedure for the Public Hearing. Mr. Johnson made a motion to
introduce Ordinance Z-210. Motion seconded by Mrs. McMullen. Mr.
Garretson made a motion to suspend the rules and dispense with the
reading of Ordinance Z-210. Motion seconded by Mrs. McMullen and
passed unanimously. Mayor Reiman opened the meeting for Public
Hearing at 7:17 P.M.
Mr. James Nelson, 3663 Brum]ey Way, Carmel,Attorney for Meridian-
465 Associates, LTD, a division of R.V. Welch lnvestments, appeared
on behalf of the Petitioner for the rezone Also present on behalf
of the petitioner were Mr. Richard Rembusch, 11550 North Meridian,
Carmel, General Cclunsel for R.V. Welch lnvestments and
representatives from Schneider Engineering; Browning Day Mullins
Dierdorf, lnc. and Pflum-Crossmeyer. Mr. Nelson included in his
presentation that use exceptions of the B-5 zoning would be exten
ed to the B-6, B-3 and B-l zoning if approved. Mr. Nelson also set
out the covenants which would run with the property (copy
attached). Mr. Nelson stated that the proposed rezone fit into the
proposec use set out in the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. Douglas Church, 930 Conrer Street, Noblesville, attorney
representing the residents in opposition of the rezone addressed
the Council. Mr. Church set out as some oi the opposition concerns:
The statement that the Plan Commission accepts the covenants pro-
posed by the petitioner and stated he felt this was contract
zoning; the B-l permitted uses were objectional; the fact that Lhe
residents affected did not have representation on the body making
the decision on the rezone; the reduction inproperty values and the
increased traffic flow. Mr. Church stated that it was his clients'
opinion that the rezone would be a fundamentc 1 change in
philosophy of the Carmel zoning .
Mr. Dick Wickliff, 10300 Springmill Road, Chairman of Heartland
North Homeowners, spoke in opposition the rezone stating that the
rezone to B-6 would allow a building height ol eight stories. Mr.
Wickliff stated he felt this rezone and the uses it would permit is
not responsible especially when there is no development plan.
Mr. Harrison Eiteljorg, 9950 Springmill Road, spoke against the
rezone stating the proposed rezone and the extension of a road to
exit onto Springmill Road could destory the natural beauty of the
area and turn Springmill Road into a commercial highway.
Mr. Jim Culbreth, 353 East 107th Street, in Springmill Place spoke
against the rezone stating he had moved all over the country and
moved to Carmel because of the quality of life and the quality of
working life after coming home. Mr. Culbreth stated the traffic at
106th and Springmill Road was already a problem and this would only
make it worse.
Mr. Jim Baumgardt, 320 Springridge Court spoke against the rezone
stating that he had been transferred many times and whenever he
came back to central lndiana he always came back to Carmel because
it has the reputation and history of protecting individuals and
their property by responsible zoning laws. Mr. Baumgardt stated he
had taken a poll of residents east of Keystone and the great
majority of those polled also felt this was not a good rezone
proposal.
Mrs. Sally Lieber, 10750 Springmill Road, the Northwest corner of
106th and Springmill stated that the property hcd been in here
husband's family since 1936 and given some of the original property
tc the State of lndiana as a Natural Conservancy. Mrs. Lieber
stated Governor Bowen, at the dedication of Butternut Woods,
Natural Conservancy, stated it was a pleasure to accept the natural
heritage of such a lovely land. Mrs. Lieber urged the Council to
reject this proposed rezone and protect the nature of the area.
Mr. Ed Gagnon, 10480 Spingnill Road, directly across Springmill
Road from the proposed rezone, spoke against the rezone stating
that his house was one of seven directly across from the proposed
rezone and most directly affected by the sight, sound, drainage,
etc. of the project. Mr. Gagnon stated that the people in those
seven homes were a cross-section of the American homeowner. Mr.
Gagnon stated he felt the best use was to keep zoning as it is, put
a buffer between the B-5 zone, make the most residential which
would be most responsible use of the land. Mr. Gagnon stated it was
an emotional issue for the residents, but asked the Council to
consider the validity of the arguments stating they just wanted a
fair shake.
Mr. Larry Frey, 12409 Lancelot Lane, Brookshire, spoke against the
rezone stating he did not live in the area but felt that the beauty
of the community was its residential areas Mr. Frey stated that he
had been transferred to the area and chose it because it is a
lovely residential community stating that if the rezone were
approved, it would ruin the community and the traffic could choke
the area.
Mr. Bob Coakley, 4972 Riley Mews,spoke against the rezone stating
that he had moved from Tampa and had seen the mistakes mady by
commercial zoning in an area those roads could not handle the
traffic. Mr. Coakley stated he had chose this area because the
realtor stated it was a good location for many reasons but one of
them was the zoning principles. Mr. Cockley asked the Council to
keep those responsible zoning principles.
Ms.Mary Grein, 12051 Hampton Court, which is east of Keystone,
spoke against the rezone stating that she had moved to this
community because it was a "quaint community" but finds it
takes as long to get to Keystone at the Crossing from her home
now as it did when she lived much further from Keystone at the
Crossing in lndianapolis. Ms. Grein stated the traffic at
Meridian and 1-465 would be as bad as that at Keystone and 1-
465 if this rezone is approved.
Mrs. Elizabeth Bodner, 10545 Springmill Road, spoke against the
rezone stating that the zoning as it now stands allows for
commercial development along Meridian Street and should be
restricted to thct area. Mrs. Bodner stated that to rezone the
parcel a proposed could adversely affect the residential values,
increase the traffic, cause security problems and that any traffic
generated by the development of the area should be routed only to
Meridian Street.
Mr. Guy Grazier, 10120 Springmill Road, an Environmental Specialist
with the State spoke against the rezone stating that he works
continuously with the problems of pollution. Mr. Grazier stated
that there would be an enormous impact on the air, land and water
if this rezone is approved. Mr. Grazier stated he felt there could
be great amounts of pollution and recommended a study of the
environmental impact be made before any rezone is approved.
There was a five minute recess between 9:30 and 9.35 P.M.
Mr. Randy Shields, 4322 Powder Horn Court, six miles east of the
proposed rezone, stated that he had moved to the area because of
its past reputation as being a good residential area. Mr. Shields
stated he felt the area was growing too rapidly and in the process,
buildings were not being given the proper inspections. He stated in
his area, Blue Creek Woods, there were several problems with
elevation and drainage. Mr. Shields asked the Council to guarantee
the current residents a standard of excellence and quality of life
before granting a rezone that changes that.
Mr. Jerry Vest, 10951 Cottingham Drive, which is west of Meridian
and north of 111th St., spoke against the rezone stating his
concern for all areas north on Meridian and west thereof if a
rezone were granted that took commercial development over to
Springmill. Mr. Vest asked the Council to consider Springmill as a
residential corridor and not mix it with the Meridian Corrider.
Mr. Wally Boysen, 1099 Springmill Court, spoke against the rezone
stating that the rezone had passed the Plan Commiss on by a vote of
8-5 which to him indicated that some members of the Plan Commission
had some grave concerns and asked that the Council consider the
closeness of the vote of the Plan Commission.
Mr. Mike Perry, 341 Spring Ranch Court, spoke against the rezone
stating that he enjoyed riding a bicycle but already the traffic on
Springmill prohibited riding any later than about 6:45 A. Mr.
Perry stated that he is in the investment business and he felt that
the proposed rezone was asking for permission to do whatever the
developer wanted to do with the land and compared: to his asking
investors to just through their money into a pool and let him do
whatever he wanted to with it.
Mrs . Jeanne Book, 12550 Springmill Road spoke in opposition of the
rezone stating that Marion County has been good to residents
between 86th and 96th Streets by keeping low intensity lighting and
low buildings . Mrs. Book stated she was concerned about the
remainder of the Meridian Corridor if a precedent was set by taking
the commercial zoning all the way over to Springmill Road.
Ms. Betty Hawkins, 10240 North Delaware. representative of the
Northridge Homeowners spoke against the rezone stating that the
traffic at the corner of 103rd and Meridian is dangerous now and
the proposed development of the area would add to the traffic
problems and dump more traffic onto 103rd Street between Meridian
and College Avenue.
Mr. Gene Newcombe, 10510 Hussy Lane, spoke against the rezone
stating that as a pro fessional in interior designer, he was very
much aware of aesthetic values. Mr. Newcombe stated that the
Springmill area is now serene, quiet and lovely and asked that the
Council deny the rezone and keep the commercial area divided from
the residential area. Mr. Newcombe stated he shouldn't let
aesthetic slide away .
Mr. Richard Albright, 10235 North Delaware, member of the Plan
Commission spoke against the rezone stating his primary concern was
the traffic stating that the development should have the
infrastructure to support. Mr. Albright stated the infrastructure
simply will not support it at this time. Mr. Albright also stated
that once the rezone is passed, the Plan Commission does not have
control of the development plan.
Ms. Elizabeth Frenzel, 11960 Springmill Road spoke against the
rezone stating the traffic is too great now to safely ride, bicycle
or jog along the road. She asked the Council to consider what will
happen to the residential area if this is allowed to pass.
Mr. Bill Bahret, 517 West 9 rd Street, spoke against the rezone
stating that the Central lndiana Bicycling Associaticn used
Springmill Road as one of their main routes in to and out of
lndianapolis. Mr. Bahret stated the proposed rezone and obvious
increase in traffic along Springmill would ruin this road as a
bicycle route.
There were no more people wishing to address the Council and the
petitioner was given time for rebuttal. Mr. Richard Rembusch, Vice
President and Legal Counsel for R.V. Welch lnvestments stated that
the petitioner felt this was the highest and best use of the
subject land. Mr. Rembusch introduced Mr. Richard E. Nichols,
6320 Rucker Road (office) and 6315 Colebrook Drive, lndianapolis
(home) as a professional appraiser giving his credentials to sleak
as an authority on the impact of the proposed rezone on the
residential values il the area. Mr. Nichols, after giving examples
of other area of similar nature, stated that the State Highway was
considering the change of the inter change at Meridian and 1-465
from a diamond shape to a full cloverleaf which would relieve the
traffic problem. Mr. Nichols also stated the mixed use development
when aesthetical and compatibly done would have no adverse impact
on the marketability of the residential area.
Mr. Rembusch stated a traffic study had been done and the reasons
for the proposed exits onto 106th Street and Springmill Road. Mr.
Rembusch also stated that the area toward the interstate had not
been expended as S-2 zoning because the lighting and noise on the
interstate would not be desirable for residential development. Mr.
Rembusch answered the question posed earlier regarding the reason
for R.V. Welch purchasing the property knowing the zoning
restrictions and then trying to change them by stating that R.V.
Welch lnvestments felt they would be protecting their investment
further up Meridian by developing this area as an attractive
gateway to the Meridian Corridor. Mr. Rembusch suggested that the
vote on the rezone should not be based on the emotion or number of
demonstrators but on solid rezoning principals.
The public hearing was closed at 10:47 P.M.
Mayor Reiman opened the meeting up to questions from the Council
members. Mrs. McMullen stated she did not have her mind made up
prior to the Plan Commission vote as had been suggested but had
listened to the concerns and weighed the arguments on both sides.
She stated the Plan Commission nembers put a lot of time into what
they do and felt that the members had open minds. Mrs. McMullen
stated the Plan Commission had asked for input when working on the
Comprehensive Plan but they had not heard from these people until
they were emotionally involved.
Mr. Garretson asked the City Attorney to research the conflict
between the petitioner and remonstrators attorneys regarding
contract zoning and report to the Council on January 27th. Mr.
Garretsol also asked that the City Engineer, Tom Welch, review the
traffic report in the petitioners material and give his opinion at
the next meeting. Mr. Garretson asked Mr. Albright how many years
he had served on the Plan Commission and asked for a definition of
the "highest and best use". Mr. Albright responded that he had been
on the Plan Commission for five years and there was no set
definition as to the "highest and best use".
Miss Doane asked representatives of the petitioner if the
project can function with only one entrance to Meridian Street. Mr.
Nelson stated that the traffic study had shown the entrances on
lO6th Street and Springmill would make the project more accessible
to emergency vehicles and prevent long cul-de-sacs. Miss Doane also
asked the City Attorney for an opinion on the contract zoning
dispute.
There was a five minutes recess between 11:00 and 11:15 P.M.
Mr. Johnson asked petitioner why they had requested a B-l zoning
and why B-6 instead of the B-5 present zoning. Petitioner answered
that the B-l would allow retail and that B-2 was most intense. The
D-6 zoning was requested to permit a hotel to be built where the B-
5 would not. lt was pointed out that the B-5 zoning allowed for a
height of 60 ft. and the B-6 allowed for a height of 120 feet or
eight stories. Mr. Johnson questioned why the petitioner had not
requested the B-5 overlay zone to be extended through the whole
project. Mr. Rembusch replied that the B-5 addressed a front yard
facing Meridian Street and would not allow the buildings toward the
inner part of the project to face any other way. Mr. Johnson stated
that he had been on the Plan Commission when the overlay zone had
been adopted and that the intent was to prohibit Meridian Street
being developed into a number of small strip shopping areas. The
traffic study was further explained and in answer to Mr. Johnson's
question, the petitioners stated that the pro ject would take a
minimum of four to five years to develop Mr. Johnson further
questioned Mr. Church regarding his corcerns on the covenants.
Mr. Miller stated that he was concerned with the quality of life in
Carmel and that he felt it was important to consider the quality
development R.V. Welch lnvestment had done in the area. Mr. Miller
asked Mr. Gagnon if he would feel more comfortable taking a chance
with someone else developing the land if this proposed rezone were
rejected. Mr. Gagnon answered that he felt the Plan Commission
would require the same quality of all developers.
Mr. Fleming inquired as to the date of availability of the Clay
sewers and was answered that the sewers should be available by the
summer or fall of 1987. Mr. Fleming inquired about the cut on
Springmill Road and was informed by the petitioner that there is
already a cut at the point the proposed road from the project would
emerge.
Discussion on Ordinance Z-210 was completed at 11:50 P.M. A vote
will be taken on the ordinance on January 27, 1986.
There was a recess between 11:50 and 11:57 P.M.
Ordinances D-468 and D-469 = City Code Update - Mr. Garretson made
a motion to introduce Ordinances D-468 and D-469 and dispense with
the reading of same and suspend the rules and act on Ordinances D-
468 and D-469 this evening. Motion seconded by Mr. Johnson and
passed unanimously. Vote was taken on Ordinances D-468 and D-469
which passed unanimously
Ordinances D-470, D-471 and D-472 Regarding Carmel Civic Square -
Mr. Garretson made a motion to introduce Ordinance D-470 and
dispense with the reading of same. Motion seconded by Mrs.
McMullen. Mr. Johnson made a motion to suspend the rules and act on
Ordinance D-470 this evening. Motion seconded by Miss Doane and
passed unanimously. Vote was taken on Ordinance D-470 which passed
unanimously.
Mr. Johnson made a motion to introduce Ordinance D-471 and dispense
with the reading of same. Motion seconded by Mrs. McMullen.
Ordinance D-471 was shown as introduced.
Mr. Garretson made a motion to introduce Ordinance D-472, dispense
with the reading and suspend the rules and act on Ordinance D-472
this evening. Motion seconded by Mr. Badger and passed
unanimously. Vote was taken on Ordinance D-472 which passed
unanimously.
There being no further business to come before the meeting, the
same was duly adjourned at 12:10 A.M.
APPROVED:
ATTEST: Dorthy J. Hancock, Clerk-Treasurer