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MEETING MINUTES
JUNE 4,, 1990
7:00 P.M.
CARMEL CITY MEETING HALL
The meeting of the Carmel City Council was called to order by Mayor
Dorothy J. Hancock. Councilors in attendance were Minnie Doane, Lee
Lonzo, Alan Potasnik, Annabelle Ogle, David Adams, Frank Fleming
and Tom Irvin. City Attorney Steve Andrews and Clerk- Treasurer
Susan W. Jones were also in attendance.
The invocation was given by Minnie Doane followed by the Pledge of
Allegiance.
Councilor Doane offered an amendment to the minutes of May
MINUTES:
21, 1990. Councilor Doane asked that the Council be included in the
sentence where President Potasnik presented her with a basket of
flowers in honor of her 80th birthday.
Councilor Fleming asked for a correction on page 4, the second to
the last paragraph where it stated Councilor Potasnik and Councilor
Fleming had met with Dave Klingensmith, etc., to be changed to
Councilor Doane rather than Councilor Fleming.
Councilor Irvin made a motion to approve the minutes with those
corrections and amendments. The motion was seconded by Councilor
Fleming. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
City Attorney Steve
ORDINANCE A-62/PUBLIC HEARING/SECOND READING :
Andrews gave a brief synopsis of Ordinance A-62 an Ordinance
regulating construction and use of wells in Carmel.
Mayor Hancock opened the public hearing, calling for questions and
or objections to Ordinance A-62. Hearing none, the Mayor closed the
public hearing and opened it to the Council for their questions and
or objections.
Councilor Fleming asked Jim Dougherty, Utilities Manager, if other
cities and towns had such an ordinance. Mr. Dougherty stated he
wasn't sure but he had compiled a packet of information to send to
all licensed well diggers in the state so they would be aware of
the new rules and regulations in Carmel.
Councilor Potasnik called for the question. All members of the
Council voted aye. Ordinance A-62 passed unanimously.
Jim
ANNEXATION OF CAUSEY PROPERTY/PUBLIC HEARING/ORDINANCE C-141:
Nelson, attorney for the petitioner, residing at 3663 Brumley Way,
gave a brief outline and description of the property requesting
annexation to the City. The property is 7.3 acres, on the south
side of East 131st Street commonly known as 4025 East 131st Street
and is owned by David and Barbara Causey.
Councilor Potasnik made a motion to introduce Ordinance C-141 and
dispense with the reading of the same. The motion was seconded by
Councilor Doane. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Jim Nelson stated the Board of Public Works had made a favorable
recommendation to the Council for approval. There had been a
request of the Board of Public Works to make sure the right-of-way
was included in the legal description and Mr. Nelson assured the
Council that it had been included. The Board of Public Works also
approved sewer and water availability to the property.
Councilor Irvin asked what, if any, expense will be incurred by the
City for the annexation. Councilor Potasnik and Jim Nelson both
stated the cost of this annexation would be minimal and this was
another annexation "hole" in the City map that was being closed
with this petition.
Councilor Potasnik made a motion to suspend the rules and act on
Ordinance C-141 tonight. The motion was seconded by Councilor
Irvin. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Mayor Hancock called for the question. All members voted aye.
Ordinance C-141 passed unanimously.
ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION HEARING/MVH & GENERAL FUND/ORDINANCE D--
Councilor Lonzo made a motion to introduce Ordinance D-651 and
651:
dispense with the reading of the same. The motion was seconded by
Councilor Irvin. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Mayor Hancock opened the meeting to the public for a hearing,
calling for questions and or objections to the additional
appropriation. Hearing none, the hearing was closed to the public
and opened to the Council for their questions and or objections.
Mayor Hancock stated the appropriation for the Fire Department was
short by $7,600.00 and the Fire Department would be coming back for
another additional to replenish the equipment repair fund. The
Mayor stated the entire repair bill had depleted the Fire
Department's repair budget for the entire year.
Councilor Lonzo made a motion to request the Clerk-Treasurer to
advertise for this additional appropriation. The motion was
seconded by Councilor Potasnik. All members voted aye. Motion
carried.
Councilor Lonzo made a motion to suspend the rules and act on
Ordinance D-651 tonight. All members voted aye. Motion carried. All
members voted aye.
Mayor Hancock called for the question. All members voted aye.
Ordinance D-651 passed unanimously.
Councilor Lonzo made a
REZONE/PUBLIC HEARING/MIDDLETON FARMS :
motion to introduce the Ordinance (the Clerk-Treasurer to assign a
number) and dispense with the reading of the same. The motion was
seconded by Councilor Adams. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Jim Nelson, attorney for the petitioner, outlined the rezone
request, a copy of which is on file at the Clerk-Treasurer's
office. Mr. Nelson stated he represented the petitioners of Ray
Roehling and Jim Caito.
The rezone is from S-1 to S-2 and is for 105.9 acres east of Ditch
Road, south of 141st Street and north of 136th Street. The site is
currently zoned S-1 (Residential). The petitioner is requesting to
rezone this property to S-2 (Residential) for single family
residential development project.
Mr. Nelson stated that commitments had been filed with the Carmel
Plan Commission but did not want to go into detail on them tonight.
Mr. Nelson stated the petitioners had agreed to contribute $25,000
to the Carmel Clay Community Foundation in lieu of an open space
commitment. The open space commitment was originally suggested to
be 5 to 6 acres of the southwestern tip of the project. The idea of
a park was discarded because of a lack of commitment from the
County on the up-keep of the open space coupled with the location
of the open space to be eventually turned into a park around the
Henley drain.
Sewers would be provided by the Clay Township Regional Waste
District.
Mr. Nelson stated the rationale for the project was two-fold. One
being that it complied with the most recent up-date, even though it
had not been approved or adopted, of the Comprehensive Plan. The
second reason was the development provided a certain economical and
social influence to the community. Mr. Nelson also read the
Department of Community Development's staff comments.
Mr. Roehling then read from his land use and availability study.
This information is also on file at the Clerk-Treasurer's office.
Mr. Roehling stated there is an overwhelming need for this type of
housing in the Carmel area and there is, at this time, an
insufficient amount available to the prospective home buyer. Mr.
Roehling stated that in the last two years, 321 housing starts had
been issued for the S-2 zone and only 57 housing starts had been
issued for the S-l zone.
At this time the Mayor opened the meeting to the public for
questions and or objections asking the public to limit comments to
different ideas in order to avoid repetition.
Bill Wilhelm, 13505 Ditch Road spoke in concern of the soil
conditions, traffic considerations and infrastructure. Mr. Wilhelm
asked the Council to consider the recommendation of the Plan
Commission which voted against the rezone. Mr. Wilhelm stated he
was not opposed to development but objected to how it was being
developed.
Mary Beth Fleming, 1277 W. 136th Street, spoke in opposition of the
S-2 zoning. Mrs. Fleming reminded the Council that the rezone had
been defeated by both the zoning board and the Plan Commission.
Later in the hearing, Councilor Potasnik corrected Mrs. Fleming by
stating the Land Use Committee had voted against the project and
not the zoning board.
Mrs. Fleming stated Middleton Farms was an example of "leap frog
development" and not consistent with the surrounding area. She
stated that 90% of the area around Middleton Farms are homes and
not farms. She emphasized the neighborhood was established with 80%
of the homeowners being self-employed and the neighborhood was
defined by space. Mrs. Fleming also went on to say that a petition
had been presented to the Plan Commission with over 140 names in
opposition to the proposed project.
Mrs. Fleming asked the Council to please consider one-acre minimum
lot size for S-l in the comprehensive plan up-date.
Ellen Watson, 13513 Towne Road pleaded with the Council to not
approve the rezone. Mrs. Watson stated that the space around her
was her sanity, her sanctuary and her therapy. Mrs. Watson stated
she felt these three things were being threatened by the project.
Judy Hagan, 10946 Springmill Lane, asked for consideration of the
Council in not approving the rezone based on the impact of the
proposed new elementary school. She stated it would be a crime to
over-crowd a school before it even opens. Mrs. Hagan supported the
other comments made earlier by other residents of the area. Mrs.
Hagan cited the project as narrow urban lots being dropped in a
spacious area of Clay township.
Tom Hansen, 448 Lead Circle, asked the Council to accept the Plan
Commission recommendations and to deny the application. Mr. Hansen
also supported the other residents.
Cindy Gasper of Six Points Road spoke in opposition of the project.
Mrs. Gasper cited serious road problems around the project. She
also emphasized that the project was moving ahead of the
infrastructure needs. She asked for the Council to support
development in an organized manner.
There being no further comments, objections and/or questions, the
hearing was closed to the public and opened to the Council for
their questions.
Councilor Doane asked who would be serving the area with water. Mr.
Roehling stated he was talking with both Hamilton Western and
Indianapolis Water Company.
Councilor Adams asked Jim Nelson about the plan for the new school.
Jim Nelson stated the Carmel Clay School Board will be making its
decision very soon and are just waiting on the enrollment count
this fall.
Councilor Irvin asked the petitioner to define other S-2 zones in
the surrounding area and then asked the Council members who serve
on the Plan Commission to give their comments.
Councilor Potasnik felt a rezone should benefit the health, welfare
and safety of the entire community. He also stated that at the
Carmel City Council retreat he heard a great deal of discussion
about making affordable housing available in Carmel. Councilor
Potasnik stated he voted against the rezone at both the land use
committee level and also the Plan Commission level based on the
following three items:
1. The land plan was void of any amount of creativity.
No open space as defined.
2. That a do nation of $25,000 would be made to the Carmel Clay
Community Foundation in lieu of open space.
3. Not the highest and best use of land at this point in time.
Councilor Ogle, another member of the Plan Commission said she
voted for the rezone. She said she had mixed feelings because she
understood the need of the people around the area to protect their
space. Her main reason for voting for this rezone was the need for
affordable housing in Carmel and that the developer already has a
zoning classification of S-l for the area and she didn't see much
difference between S-1 and S-2. Councilor Ogle said she used the
realistic approach rather than the idealistic approach to the
rezone decision.
Councilor Adams, as well as other Councilors, concluded the need
for affordable housing stating it was discussed at great length at
the retreat and he felt this rezone could satisfy that need.
Councilor Potasnik then stated that he agreed somewhat and that no
one on the Council wants to limit affordable housing. But, he said,
he cannot approve S-2 zoning at this point in time.
The current housing market in this area was stated by Mr. Roehling
and Mr. Nelson to be somewhere in the neighborhood of $200 to
$350,000 price range with lot costs of $30,000 to $36,000.
Councilor Potasnik asked Mr. Nelson and Mr. Roehling to explain the
commitment for road improvement around the area. Mr. Nelson stated
that $196,000 had been allocated to roadway improvements for 136th,
141st and Ditch Road. The county will be doing work to Ditch Road
this fall so the bulk of money would go to 136th Street. No curbs
would be installed.
Councilor Irvin stated he was not prepared to vote tonight and he
had a lot of problems that needed to be worked out before he could
vote on the rezone. Councilor Irvin said he wanted to talk with the
technical advisory staff and to the people living in that area.
Mr. Roehling stated that by changing the lot configuration it would
increase the number of lots in the area, it would make the lots
easier to sell because the cost would be about $20,000 less and he
could pass that saving on to the potential home buyer. Again,
making the area more affordable to more people.
Councilor Lonzo asked about drainage concerns in the area and asked
Mr. Roehling if he was one of the developers in Kingswood that was
not suffering from drainage problems. Councilor Lonzo stated he had
received, and was still receiving calls from residents in his
district who suffer from drainage problems. Mr. Roehling stated he
was one of four of the developers in that area and Kingswood was
suffering from drainage because of sandy soil conditions and not
because of lot configuration. Councilor Lonzo said many of those
residents of Kingswood feel the problem is from too big of homes
being built on too narrow of lots. Mr. Roehling said that was not
the problem. Councilor Lonzo said he was not prepared to vote and
needed time to consider the facts.
The rezone request will return on the next Council agenda for a
second reading.
At this time the Mayor asked for the Council's
CHANGE IN AGENDA :
indulgence in changing the order of the agenda and allowing for
Steve Nation, Hamilton County Prosecutor to speak to the Council
about the Enforcement Aid Fund. The Council agreed.
: Steve Nation, Hamilton County Prosecutor
ENFORCEMENT AID FUND
addressed the Council and asked for their support in Carmel Police
Chief Barney's request for an additional officer. Funds to pay for
50% of the officer's salary will come from a federal grant. Mr.
Nation gave a short over-view of the enforcement aid grant.
Carmel Police
DRUG TASK FORCE/ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL REQUEST/CPD:
Chief Gary Barney explained the need for the officer and 50% of the
officer's salary would be paid through a grant.
Councilor Lonzo made a motion to introduce Ordinance D-653 and
suspend the rules for reading of the same. The motion was seconded
by Councilor Ogle. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Councilor Irvin asked about the length of the grant. Chief Barney
explained it would run from April 1st to April 1st. Chief Barney
also stated he had budgeted 100% of the officer's salary because he
couldn't be sure if the grant would or could be renewed each year.
Councilor Lonzo commended all agencies involved in this project.
Councilor Lonzo made a motion to suspend the rules and act on
Ordinance D-653 which would allow for an additional patrolman to be
added to the 1990 salary ordinance. The motion was seconded by
Councilor Irvin. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Mayor Hancock called for the question. All members voted aye.
Ordinance D-653 passed unanimously.
Councilor Lonzo made a motion to add the
ADDITION TO AGENDA:
approval of claims for the Communications Center to the agenda. The
motion was seconded by Councilor Potasnik. All members voted aye.
Motion carried.
: City Attorney Steve
CLAIM LEASE/RENTAL/CSX/COMMUNICATIONS CENTER
Andrews gave an overview of this request. Steve explained to the
Council the need to use the right-of-way along the Monon to run
cable from the Communications Center to Civic Square. The Board of
Public Works had approved the contract with two changes earlier in
the evening. The cost of the lease/rental of the right-of-way would
be $1,500.00. Councilor Lonzo made a motion to approve the request.
The motion was seconded by Councilor Adams. All members voted aye.
Motion carried.
Councilor Lonzo made a motion to add to the
ADDITION TO AGENDA:
agenda a request for funds for video taping Council meetings during
the summer. The motion was seconded by Councilor Adams. All members
voted aye. Motion carried.
A
CUMULATIVE CAPITAL FUNDS/RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF RATES FOR 1991:
written request had been presented to the Council by the Clerk--
Treasurer asking for their determination on re-establishing the old
rates for the Cumulative Capital funds. The Mayor stated the
Cumulative Capital Sewer fund was under the maximum levy and was
five cents but the Cumulative Capital Development was scheduled to
be ten cents this year but because of re-assessment it was reduced
to three cents. The Clerk-Treasurer cautioned the Council, stating
taxpayers would feel an increase in their taxes of approximately
eleven cents on each $100 of assessed valuation for 1991.
Councilor Irvin made a motion to direct the Clerk-Treasurer to
advertise for the re-establishment of the Cumulative Capital funds
based on what they should have been for 1990. The motion was
seconded by Councilor Fleming. All members voted aye. The
Cumulative Capital Sewer fund would be advertised at five cents
rather than three cents and the Cumulative Capital Development fund
would be increased from three cents to ten cents. The Cumulative
Capital Improvement Fund would also be increased from three cents
to five cents. The Council felt they needed the additional monies
to do some of the projects they had talked about earlier.
Councilor Potasnik made a motion
CLAIMS FOR COMMUNICATION CENTER:
to approve the following claims to be paid from the $150,000
received in the sale of the old police station. This amount is in
the Council budget.
C.E. Reeve & Sons (Re-roofing) $7,675.00
Vasey Heating & Air Conditioning $3,789.02 (Less Tax)
Real Mechanical $628.13
The motion was seconded by Councilor Lonzo. All members voted aye.
Motion carried. The Mayor stated the bills would be submitted
through the normal procedure and would be approved by the Board of
Public Works for payment.
REQUEST FOR FUNDS FROM COUNCIL BUDGET FOR VIDEO TAPING OF COUNCIL
Councilor Lonzo stated he had met with Mr. Hal Espy and
MEETINGS:
Mr. Espy had agreed to video tape the Council meetings during the
summer at a rate of $90.00 per meeting. There would be a total of
five regular meetings, and should the Council want to tape any
special meetings, the cost would also be $90.00 per meeting.
Councilor Lonzo asked the money be taken from the Council budget
somewhere and asked for Councilor Potasnik's guidance on what
budget category could be used to pay for such an item. Councilor
Lonzo went on to say the Mayor was looking into the Board of Public
Works budget and they may be able to pay for such an item.
Councilor Lonzo also stated a contract would need be drawn up by
the City Attorney and approved by the Board of Public Works.
Councilor Lonzo asked for this in the form of a motion. The motion
was seconded by Councilor Irvin. All members voted aye. Motion
carried.
Councilor
REQUEST FOR CHANGE IN REGULAR MEETING DATE OF COUNCIL:
Adams asked for the Council to change the date of their next
regular meeting of the Council. The meeting would fall on June
18th, the same day the State Department of Transportation would be
holding a public hearing on the construction of a new intersection
at 116th and Gray Road. Councilor Adams stated he, along with
Councilor Lonzo and Councilor Potasnik wanted to attend the State
hearing.
Clerk-Treasurer Jones stated the hearing would be at Woodbrook
Elementary School. An informal hearing is scheduled from 2:00 p.m.
until 4:00 p.m. and a formal hearing at 7:00 p.m.
The Council agreed to change the regular meeting date of the
Council to Wednesday, June 20th at 7:00 p.m. in the Carmel City
Meeting Hall.
Clerk-Treasurer Susan Jones stated she
BUDGET INFORMATION REQUEST :
still had not received a schedule from the Mayor concerning when
she would be receiving information for input on her computer for
next year's budget packets. The Mayor she had sent a memo
concerning that. The Clerk-Treasurer stated she had not received
any memo. The Mayor set a deadline for the department heads to have
the budget information to the Clerk by the close of the business
day on the 13th of June and the packets out by the 18th to the
Council but, since the meeting date of the Council had changed, it
would give her two extra days.
The Clerk-Treasurer stated it would be almost impossible to meet
that deadline. This schedule only gave her office four working
days. The Clerk stated she had requested, on numerous occasions,
two full working weeks to enter the data and assemble the packets
for the Council. Councilor Fleming asked if he would be getting his
packet before the weekend since the first budget meeting was
scheduled for the 25th. The Clerk-Treasurer said she would try and
wanted to know if there were any other options open in case she
couldn't meet this deadline. Councilor Lonzo stated that if she
couldn't, she couldn't. Again, the Clerk-Treasurer stated she felt
it was an impossible task.
There being no further business before the Council the meeting was
adjourned.
APPROVED: Dorothy J. Hancock, Mayor
ATTEST: Susan W. Jones, Clerk-Treasurer