HomeMy WebLinkAboutCCM-10-21-91CARMEL CITY COUNCIL
MEETING MINUTES
OCTOBER 21, 1991
7:00 P.M.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS/ONE CIVIC SQUARE
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Dorothy J. Hancock.
Members present were Tom Irvin, Frank Fleming, Alan Potasnik,
Annabelle Ogle and Lee Lonzo. Councilors Doane and Adams were not
in attendance.
The invocation was given by the mayor followed by the Pledge of
Allegiance.
Mayor Hancock stated Mr. Dolen's name
MINUTES OF OCTOBER 7, 1991:
is spelled with one "l". Councilor Fleming stated that on page 4
of the minutes where it stated that the Technical Committee was to
provide support for the recommendation to go ahead with the 800 mhz
radio system and he would have it before the next meeting. Fleming
went on to say that on page 9 of the minutes it stated that Fleming
had met with school officials on the parking problem around the
high school. Fleming stated he did not meet with school officials.
With those corrections Fleming moved to approve the minutes. The
minutes were seconded by Irvin. All members voted aye. Motion
carried.
UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK REMOVAL/ADDITIONAL INFORMATION PRESENTED
Dolen presented a copy of a quotation for
BY LEE DOLEN:
bioremediation from Kennedy Equipment Company for the cleaning up
the site at the Communications Center. Dolen stated he had talked
with the Indiana Department of Environmental Management (IDEM) and
they said this was a viable method for cleaning up the site. Dolen
stated the price quoted was $10,500. Dolen stated the company
would use the contaminated fill that was there now and inject it
with bacteria that would eat the hydrocarbons and come back and
keep taking tests until it was cleaned up.
The mayor said the price sounded a whole lot better than $30,000 or
$40,000.
Dolen said he called Hoosier Equipment and asked them why they
didn't tell him about this method of clean up. Hoosier replied
they had done it before but they felt since it was in a parking lot
and the ground would be compacted tight that IDEM would not allow
this method. Dolen said he then called IDEM and asked them about
this and they approved the procedure. Dolen stated IDEM even had a
map of the site and knew it was a parking lot and they said if it
was done right that it will suffice for them.
Ogle asked about the timetable. Dolen said no. He went on to say
they won't know themselves until after all the tests are done.
Dolen guessed it would probably be about 7 or 8 months. Dolen said
the area would be filled with gravel and there will not be any
holes.
Dolen said that if the City used this method and Hoosier Equipment
does not haul it away, we will be billed $4,800 for removing the
contaminated soil.
Fleming said in other words, the City needs an additional $15,300
more to finish the project. Fleming then asked about the contract
with Hoosier. Fleming stated the clerk-treasurer had sent out
copies of the Board of Public Works minutes and it showed the
contract for Hoosier had been approved for only $5,925 and their
bill is going to be $10,186.08. Fleming said the way he understood
this was that the clerk-treasurer can't pay this bill because it
exceeds the contract.
Andrews said there was quote of $50.70 per cubic yard in the bid
for contaminated soil removal. Fleming said that Hoosier wasn't
billing the city for soil removal yet.
Irvin said that he believed the Council had approved an
appropriation for $10,000 and somewhere an additional $186.08 could
be found to pay the bill. Irvin asked if another additional
appropriation was needed or could the Council issue a change order
or what needs to be done.
The mayor stated this $10,000 was put in the BPW budget and felt
she ought to be able to find $186.00 to transfer. The mayor said
she could bring a transfer to the next Council meeting. Irvin said
he thought that was Fleming's question.
Fleming stated that was not the question. He said he was going by
the letter he received from the clerk-treasurer with a copy of the
contract and the minutes of the BPW meeting. Fleming said the
clerk-treasurer is saying she can't pay the bill because it exceeds
the contract amount regardless of the amount of the appropriation.
The clerk-treasurer said the appropriation was not the problem.
She stated that regardless of the appropriation she could only pay
the contract amount. Hoosier had billed $700 for tests and
approximately $3,000 for water hauled and neither of those items
were part of the original bid. She said there was a quote of
$50.70 per cubic yard for soil removal but according to the bill,
no soil had been removed to date.
Dolen then said that he was standing at the site when this was
done. Dolen said the water that was hauled away had gasoline in it
and could not be put down the sewers. Dolen said it had to be
hauled away and that was the only way IDEM will let you dispose of
it.
Andrews asked Dolen if they billed the city at the contaminated
soil removal rate. Dolen said he didn't know and that it would
have to be figured out.
Dolen said the extra tests were for two laboratory tests, one for
each pile of dirt that was there. He said that wasn't part of the
original bid because there was no way to know what was contaminated
and what was not.
Andrews asked what would be wrong in having a change order come
back from these people for the work that was done. Andrews said
obviously if you find gasoline sitting in the water you can't pump
it out on the ground and let it run off onto people's property.
Dolen said it had to be done right that minute.
Potasnik asked Dolen if he favored "this" company for this project.
Dolen said yes. Potasnik asked if the EPA approves this type of
method. Dolen said yes and that he called them and confirmed this.
Potasnik asked if the EPA comes out and inspects the work. Dolen
said he was told they probably would not but would monitor the
tests results and reports. Dolen said he can't get anything in
writing from the IDEM but they will talk to you over the phone.
Potasnik asked if this method could possibly pose some type of
problem for the water and sewer system. Dolen said no.
Irvin asked Dolen about the quote from Kennedy and about the fact
that Kennedy couldn't lock in a better amount until after we get
what they are proposing to move. Dolen said that is true. Dolen
said this quote was based on the first test that Hoosier had taken
and from what they could determine, this amount is their best
estimate on what it will take to do the removal. Irvin said he
would like to see the amount "pinned" down a little more. Irvin
said he didn't want to get another surprise like the one the
Council received from the first request. Dolen said he understood
that but he didn't know how to do that since there were so many
unknowns. Irvin about other companies that we could get quotes
from. Dolen said he could get more quotes but there were only so
many companies that grow this bacteria. Potasnik said he would
feel more comfortable if Dolen could get more quotes.
Fleming said he still understood that the city owed Hoosier another
$4,800 plus whatever we owed on the other.
Ogle asked Dolen if Kennedy has done other work like this where
Carmel could call and get references. Dolen replied yes and said
that Kennedy is faxing him a list of references.
Andrews stated that Kennedy's letter contained a lot of open ended
terms and words. Andrews asked Dolen if hydrocarbons were the only
gases located at the site. Dolen stated yes. Andrews asked Dolen
to give him a call when he could obtain additional information from
other vendors and avoid some of the time delays and discussion at
the Council meeting level. Dolen said he would.
Dolen asked if he was to report to Andrews from now on rather than
the Council. The mayor said yes.
The clerk-treasurer asked if she understood correctly that the
Council was directing the Board of Public Works to entertain a
change order for Hoosier in order to pay their first bill.
The mayor asked if that was the wish of the Council. There was no
formal reply from the Council. Andrews asked the clerk-treasurer
to provide him with a copy of the contract.
Fleming stated a list had not been
PARKING AROUND THE HIGH SCHOOL:
submitted yet, but would be soon. Fleming made a motion to table
the item until the next meeting. The motion was seconded by
Potasnik.
Hancock stated the report would be moved
PGA COMMITTEE REPORT:
further down on the agenda because Steve Brown would be delayed.
PUBLIC HEARING - ORDINANCE Z-262/REZONE 37 ACRES FROM S-2 ZONE
Potasnik made a
CLASSIFICATION TO B-5/PROPERTY OWNER FRANK REGAN:
motion to introduce Ordinance Z-262 amending Ordinance Z-160. The
motion was seconded by Ogle. Dave Coots of Coots, Henke and
Wheeler, stated he was representing Frank Regan owner of
approximately 37 acres located on the north side of US Highway 31.
Coots stated the property was currently zoned S-2 and the property
was vacant, farmed with some areas of trees, and all of the
property was within the Meridian Corridor Overlay Zone, 600' from
the right-of-way line of US Highway 31. Coots stated immediately
north of the property was a 17 acre subdivision known as Bentley
Oaks with 136th Street running east and west along the top of the
map provided for the Council. Coots stated the Plan Commission
voted unanimously to approve the rezone petition rezoning the
property to a B-5 business zone classification on September 17,
1991. Coots asked the Council to adopt the ordinance submitted
rezoning the property to B-5. Coots asked that along with the
rezone, the Council approve certain covenants affecting the
development of the said property. 1)All buildings on the property
are restricted to three stories or 40 feet in height, buildings
fronting on 136th Street are restricted to two stories or 30 feet
in height. 2)The property would be annexed to the City of Carmel
and the property was already serviced by City sewer and water. 3)A
traffic study and recommended solution for the intersection of
136th Street and US Highway 31 with a proportionate contributing
cost by the property owner for any improvements necessary. Coots
stated that an extension of Oak Ridge Road to the south from its
intersection with 136th Street running parallel with the right-of-
way of US Highway 31 south connecting at 131st Street with the
Carmel Drive extension through Duke Park, would probably be
necessitated by the development of said property.
Hancock opened the meeting for the public on Ordinance Z-262. The
clerk-treasurer advised the Council that, for the record, notice of
publication was made in time, however, the notice read 7:30 P.M.,
and since Mr. Coots began at 7:30 P.M., the public would have been
properly notified. Potasnik stated the minutes from the Plan
Commission were not included in the Council packets. The clerk-
treasurer stated Mr. Coots did not provide or request inclusion of
Plan Commission minutes with his package. Richard Good, Carmel
resident of 1036 136th Street, stated his home was directly across
from the proposed rezone area. Good stated the traffic on 136th
Street presently was at the point where it was unbearable backing-
up in the mornings to almost Oak Ridge Road. Good stated the three
lanes now going out fill-up and grid-lock because there is nowhere
for people turning off of US Highway 31 to go preventing cars from
going out. Good stated the situation was almost as serious on the
other side of US Highway 31 because the grid-lock prevented cars
from coming across the highway. Good stated he was unable to
determine what could be done to the intersection to handle the flow
of additional traffic generated by office buildings serviced by the
stated intersection. Good stated he was not against a rezone, but
he did oppose any traffic flow going into the residential area.
Good stated homes along 136th Street in areas zoned residential
were thus zoned to protect property rights. Good added that office
building traffic using that intersection would ruin the value of
the residents property and any extension through Oak Ridge across
136th Street would cause office workers to use Oak Ridge, thereby,
devaluating the Oak Ridge Road residents property. Good asked the
Council to consider his request that the access road not lead onto
136th Street. Good suggested the area should dead end at 136th
Street with an access road on to 131st Street which would need
intersection work on 131st Street and US Highway 31. Good stated
the open area at the intersection of US Highway 31 and 131st Street
would allow multiple lanes with easy access for north and south.
Hearing no other requests from the public, Hancock closed the
hearing to the public and opened the ordinance for discussion by
the Council. Potasnik requested that Coots respond to Goods
comments. Coots stated the Meridian Corridor Overlay Zone always
was intended to act as a buffer to US Highway 31 and existing and
future residential areas. Coots stated the he believed the
thoroughfare plan was to use frontage road which would bisect the
property in question and extend to 131st Street as an additional
outlet for the traffic that currently congests 136th Street and US
Highway 31. Coots stated development would not occur until the
proposal was resubmitted to the Plan Commission and a development
plan, traffic plan and satisfactory evidence was presented that
development would not further congest traffic at the intersection.
Coots stated traffic studies showed another artery would remove
pressure from the intersection.
Potasnik asked if the entire parcel was in the Overlay Zone. Coots
stated yes. Potasnik asked if the land could be utilized in its
current zone classification. Coots said it could not. Potasnik
asked if the renumeration for fair-share costs of street
improvement was agreed to by the owner. Coots stated it was a part
of the real estate covenant that will be recorded at the time the
rezone ordinance is recorded. Potasnik asked if the buildings
would be low height. Coots stated maximum 40' height except 136th
Street frontage buildings which would have a maximum 30' height.
Potasnik asked if they were in the form of residential state
covenants. Coots stated yes. Potasnik asked if Coots was asking
for a rezone and not a development plan or submitting a development
plan. Coots stated yes.
Irvin asked if the request was compatible with others in the
Overlay Zone. Coots stated the 8 acre property to the east and
south of 136th was rezoned by the Council approximately two years
previous to the same B-5 classification. Coots stated the property
to the west, a 120 tract, was the subject of the previous years
Radner Corporation petition seeking commercial development along
the Overlay Zone with some outside the Overlay Zone. Coots stated
this request for rezone was entirely within the Meridian Corridor
600' compatible with the 116th and Meridian zoning except the
building size would be restricted.
Potasnik stated the Radner property was never fully completed.
Coots agreed.
Fleming stated the rezone was the best offer the City had for the
property by having an access road to 131st Street. Fleming asked
who would be paying for the road along with the current property
owner. Coots stated the developer would pay the balance of the
costs. Coots added that co-ordination would be required with
DePauw University who also owned nearby property which would
benefit from the road when DePauw's property was developed.
Irvin made a motion to dispense with the reading and act on
Ordinance Z-262. The motion was seconded by Ogle. All members
voted aye. Motion carried.
Hancock asked all members in favor of adopting Ordinance Z-262.
All members voted aye. Motion carried.
PUBLIC HEARING - ORDINANCE C-161/ANNEXATION AVIAN GLEN - CHERRY
TREE SCHOOL - 155 ACRES/PROPERTY OWNERS STEPHEN & SUSAN WEBSTER,
MARTHA RUSSELL, ESTHER MAE THORPE, MILDRED SCHOTT AND CARMEL CLAY
Potasnik made a motion to introduce Ordinance C-161 and
SCHOOLS:
dispense with the reading. The motion was seconded by Ogle. Jim
Nelson of Nelson & Frankenberger, stated he was representing co-
applicants Stephen & Susan Webster, Martha Russell, Esther Mae
Thorp, Mildred Schott and Carmel Clay Schools. Nelson introduced
Chris White, an engineer for the project. Nelson asked for the
record to reflect that notice of the public hearing was published
in the Noblesville Ledger on September 28, 1991 with certification
of the publication on file with the clerk-treasurers office.
Nelson stated that informational booklets were provided for the
Council and City Department heads.
Nelson stated the co-applicants were the owners of a 156 acre
parcel of real estate located on the West side of Cherry Tree or
Hazel Dell Road between 131st Street on the south and 146th Street
on the north. Nelson stated the real estate included the 20 acre
parcel of real estate owned by the Carmel Clay Schools which was
currently the home of the Cherry Tree Elementary School. Nelson
stated the real estate surrounding the Cherry Tree Elementary
School on the north, west, and south was also a part of the 156
acres. Nelson stated the applicants were requesting the annexation
of the stated parcel of real estate to the City of Carmel. Nelson
stated the Board of Public Works favorably recommended annexation
with confirmation by the City Engineer that contiguity requirements
had been satisfied.
Hancock opened the meeting for public hearing on Ordinance C-161.
Lonzo asked for the record to show that he was withdrawing his name
for consideration on Ordinance C-161.
Hearing no request from the public for hearing, Hancock closed the
public hearing and opened the ordinance for discussion from the
Council.
Potasnik asked if the school entered as a party of their own free
will without protest. Nelson stated that was his understanding.
Ogle asked about an excluded area just south of the school and if
that section had ever been annexed to the City. Nelson stated the
owners of the property had expressed a desire not to be a part of
the request for annexation. Nelson stated the legal description of
the eastern one-half right-of-way of Hazel Dell Road was provided
to Steve Andrews for the purposes of future annexations to Carmel
including the entire right-of-way for the excluded parcel. Nelson
stated that although the excluded parcel would not be annexed, the
roadway would be annexed.
Potasnik made a motion to suspend the rules and act on Ordinance C-
161. The motion was seconded by Ogle. All members voted aye.
Motion carried.
Hancock asked all in favor of adoption of Ordinance C-161. All
members voted aye. Motion carried.
Hancock asked
ORDINANCE D-722/AMENDMENT TO THE SALARY ORDINANCE:
if the amendment was a correction. Susan W. Jones, clerk-
treasurer, stated the amendment was a result of her error first by
not putting it on the agenda and second, doing it incorrectly when
it was added. Jones stated the amendment was for the Water Plant
Supervisor only.
Fleming made a motion to introduce ordinance D-722. The motion was
seconded by Ogle. Hancock stated the ordinance amended the salary
ordinance for 1992 adding the position of a water plant supervisor,
which was omitted in error.
Potasnik made a motion to suspend the rules and act on Ordinance D-
722. The motion was seconded by Ogle. All members voted aye.
Motion carried. Hancock asked all in favor of adopting Ordinance
D-722. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Frank Fleming requested approval of
COMMUNICATION CENTER CLAIMS:
the following seven claims for the Communication Center:
Corporate Networks, Inc. $1,949.03
Wire Supplies, Inc. $44.00
Hertz Furniture Systems Corporation $93.34
E.F. Marburger & Son $4,101.00
S & M Painting & Drywall $56.00
MA-RI-AL Corporation $497.50
Curley Building Material $55.40
Potasnik asked if everything had been completed and approved by the
technical committee. Fleming stated that was true. Fleming stated
all the Communication Center claims are approved by Bob Nibarger,
Dave Wilcox, Don Allen and Doug Callahan. Fleming stated the bills
that are still pending because they are not done nor have they been
tested as complete. Fleming added that the bills are well
screened.
Fleming made a motion to approve the stated Communication Center
claims. The motion was seconded by Irvin. All members voted aye.
Motion carried.
Potasnik made a motion to add an update on the newsletter and
direction of Council to the agenda. The motion was seconded by
Lonzo. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Potasnik stated he had been attempting to get something started on
the newsletter since the beginning of 1991. Potasnik stated he
located an interesting newsletter in tabloid form which was
colorful and could be held like a newspaper which was small and
easy to read. Potasnik made calls to the Indianapolis Weekly and
the Daily Ledger to see if they could produce the sample
newsletter. Potasnik stated both newspapers stated they could
reproduce the newsletter, but he had not received a formal proposal
from the Topics or Daily Ledger. Potasnik stated he did receive a
proposal from the Indianapolis Weekly. Potasnik recommended that
if the Council chose to proceed, the Indianapolis Weekly should
develop the tabloid form for the Council. Potasnik offered the
following reasons for his recommendation: 1)the Ledger insert
would be in a smaller tabloid form. 2)distribution would be made
through a newspaper that supports the City of Carmel through a
direct mailing insuring that everyone in the City and Township
would receive a copy. 3)the estimate was based on an additional
2500 copies allowing extra copies for the reception desk in City
Hall, the Department of Community Development, the Chamber of
Commerce and the Public Library, the newsletter would be eight
pages total, two colors on page one, three pictures per page,
graphics, half-toning and typesetting, printing, distribution and
writing at a cost of $3,660.80.
Potasnik stated every Council member would have a say regarding
newsletter content for their respective district, along with the
mayor, clerk-treasurer and each City department head.
Irvin asked if the newsletter would be an insert in the daily or
weekly. Potasnik stated he recommended the Indianapolis Weekly
indicating the Weekly would put a graphic on the front page of the
newspaper indicating the Council newsletter was inside.
Fleming asked if the paper was distributed by mail. Potasnik
stated that was correct. Potasnik stated since no one had the
time, nor could the Council afford to hire an editor, writer and
photographer it was, in his estimation, the best way to produce the
newsletter. Potasnik stated the $20,000.00 budgeted for the
Council newsletter had nothing to do with his personal newsletter
for which he paid $68.00.
Ogle asked if the Indianapolis Weekly would take the Council's
total direction in the writing of the articles. Potasnik stated
the newsletter was the Council's and they would do as the Council
instructed. Ogle asked if the Council could direct the
Indianapolis Weekly to write articles on a certain subject in a
certain City department. Potasnik stated all parties eligible to
submit an article would be given a deadline, whereby, the editorial
staff of the Indianapolis Weekly would edit accordingly . Ogle
asked if the newsletter would be quarterly. Potasnik stated he was
unable to gauge the enthusiasm of the Council for proceeding with
the project, so, he did not provide a minimum number of newsletters
when obtaining the estimates. Potasnik added he was pleasantly
surprised with the breakdown of the costs.
Lonzo stated he felt there was not enough time for the Council to
complete the project themselves, but he thought it was a fantastic
idea. Lonzo stated his only experience with attempting to
communicate with the Council's constituents was a brochure which
required a lot of time and effort and received only one comment,
which was negative, regarding illegal use of the City seal.
Lonzo stated the obvious criticism would be why would the Council
proceed when most of the Council is about to go out of office.
Lonzo stated he had insight to share with the residents before he
left the Council and would like to see the Council proceed with the
project. Potasnik stated he did not want the newsletter to come
out before the election because he felt it should be a Council
newsletter and not a campaign promotion for any Council member
running for office. Potasnik felt a newsletter would be effective
regardless of the time of the year it was enacted, as long as the
Council could say what they wanted to their constituents.
Potasnik stated he would be glad to co-ordinate the program with
the Indianapolis Weekly as long as the Council wanted to proceed.
Potasnik asked the Council and mayor's office to work with him in
co-ordinating the program.
Irvin asked how many newsletters would be produced between November
13th and the first of the year. Potasnik stated he didn't know, it
would depend on co-operation from the Council. Potasnik stated it
would depend on how often Council would want to have it done and
get thing across to the Council's constituents. Potasnik added the
current Council would only have one time to do it this year.
Fleming stated he had concerns referring to the tabloid as a
newsletter, because Carmel residents read the news of the Council
in the daily newspaper and watch the Council meeting on television.
Fleming stated articles written may not really be news. Potasnik
stated the newsletter was a generic term to refer to the Council
articles. Potasnik stated residents could keep the newsletter
which could provide demographics of the area, natural features of
the area, a listing of numbers residents could have on hand without
looking them up. Potasnik stated the Council could call it
anything they wanted.
Ogle asked if the City was opening itself to `favoritism' by
distributing the newsletter through one publication versus other
publications that serve the community. Potasnik stated he did not
know anyone else who would have the distribution in the City and
Township, or would be able to provide the service that was offered
by the Indianapolis Weekly. Potasnik stated other publications did
not bother to submit quotes after several attempts to secure them.
Irvin stated the more the Council communicated the better off the
Council would be. Irvin stated the Council had been labeled as not
communicating, adding that if the newsletter would help, he would
be all for it. Irvin stated the new administration intended to
correct the one pitfall the current Council had which was lack of
communication by having a full time press secretary on staff which,
Irvin stated, was commendable. Irvin stated that not everyone
would read the newspaper or watch television, but at least the
Council would know that this newsletter would be mailed to every
home and that communicating would be in the best interests of those
going off the Council and those coming on to the new Council.
Ogle stated she had reservations having the City's voice being
distributed in connection to a commercial publication. Ogle stated
she felt it should be a `stand alone' publication, adding that
there were other ways to distribute such as attaching mailbox bags
and other methods. Ogle stated she would feel more comfortable if
she new this publication was a top quality news voice for the City
and not attached to any other publication. Ogle stated she read
the Indianapolis Weekly and felt it was a good publication, but
there were sport features, senior features, health features and her
concern was that residents would consider the newsletter just
another feature of the Indianapolis Weekly rather than a special
voice for the City. Ogle offered to help Potasnik investigate
other ways to distribute the newsletter. Lonzo stated he did not
hear Potasnik say that distribution was a problem. Lonzo stated
putting the newsletter together was Potasnik's problem. Lonzo
stated from his experience with the brochure he attempted to put
together, unless there was expertise by a Council member on how to
put together, edit and write a paper the newsletter would not get
done.
Ogle stated she recalled a discussion about employing a person to
handle the production of the newsletter. Potasnik stated it was a
high-school student, and it did not work out. Ogle stated she was
all for the newsletter and if Potasnik needed help she would
volunteer.
Hancock stated she believed all Council members spoke in favor of
the newsletter and asked Potasnik if he needed clearer direction.
Potasnik asked if the Council wanted to proceed.
Hancock stated Potasnik had the consensus of the Council to
proceed.
Potasnik stated that he would like to see the City explore a
possible restructuring or refunding of the water and sewer
indebtedness to take advantage of lower interest rates. Potasnik
stated restructuring may bring about a savings to the City, but
there may be a possibility of a rate reduction of sewer rates if
the savings was considerable. Potasnik stated he would like to
request that Roger Umbaugh be asked to research the proposal and
return figures, if possible, to the next Council meeting. Hancock
stated she would request a review by Mr. Umbaugh.
Potasnik stated he had been contacted by a couple of constituents
to look at the new high-school football stadium with regard to the
street lighting. Potasnik stated an individual almost hit a
student crossing the street one evening. Potasnik stated he
investigated the complaint one evening and found that although the
parking lot lights in the stadium were on, it was still dark.
Potasnik asked if the area was the Council jurisdiction, he would
like the Council to consider some type of lighting. Hancock asked
what intersection Potasnik was referring to. Potasnik stated it
was at the point of ingress an egress to the stadium on the south
side of the parking lot.
Potasnik stated he wanted to congratulate the Carmel Boys Tennis
Team who placed second in the state the previous weekend reflecting
the motto `Carmel, City of Champions" as did the team's coach and
the Council's colleague, Lee Lonzo. Lonzo stated he was proud of
the young men on his team.
Lonzo asked if there was any update on the Redevelopment Commission
as to whether they have met or will meet. Andrews stated they
haven't met and they might meet.
Lonzo stated clerk-treasurer Jones sent a missal on her letterhead
entitled "Financial Statement - General Fund 9-30-91". Lonzo asked
if Jones had a copy she could make reference to. Jones stated she
did not. Lonzo asked if at the end of the year the General Fund
would have a 1.9 million dollar operating budget. Jones stated
that was correct. Jones stated that money was added into 1992's
budget because it was anticipated that the 1.9 million dollars
would be there. Jones added that if there was, for example, an
additional $114,000 appropriation, it would have to be adjusted at
the tax rate hearing in November. Lonzo asked if a $56,000.00
anticipated appropriation for the storage tanks which appeared the
City would not need would be included in that figure. Jones stated
that was correct. Lonzo stated that after the tax rate hearing the
City would then have well in excess of $1,000,000.00. Jones stated
that was correct, the projected ending balance was $998,000.00 and
the City would be well ahead of the anticipated ending balance,
but, added Jones, those monies have been used against next year's
budget and operating balance.
Lonzo made a motion to advertise an amendment to the Salary
Ordinance for 1992 for the judge's salary. The motion was seconded
by Irvin. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Lonzo asked who sent a highlighted copy of page 84 of the Carmel
City Code in the Council mailing packet and why. The clerk-
treasurer stated she included the copy because at the previous
Council meeting, she was asked for clarification on how an item was
to be added to the agenda and her answer was based on the Council
ordinance, adding the agenda item after new business. Lonzo
pointed at the last line of the ordinance `no other items may be
added to the agenda without the Common Council suspending its rules
which shall require the unanimous vote of all those present', Lonzo
stated his Daddy told him if he made the rules, he could change the
rules. Lonzo added the rules were the Council's rules and if the
Council wanted to suspend the rules, the Council could make new
rules adding items to the agenda as the Council pleased with a
unanimous vote not a 2/3 vote as noted in the ordinance. Jones
stated she understood the Councils ability to change the rules, but
she was led to believe that her answer concerning the rules was
incorrect when, in fact, it was correct.
Hancock stated that since the press had left the Council chambers,
she would like to move agenda item #3 (PGA Committee Report) to the
next Council meeting. Hancock stated she would like the reporters
to be available to hear a positive report.
Lonzo made a motion to table the PGA Committee Report until the
next Council meeting. Potasnik seconded the motion. All members
voted aye. Motion carried.
Andrews stated the Building Corporation would meet October 30th at
6:00 P.M. which was not the scheduled time, but notice had been
given to the press.
The clerk-treasurer asked if clarity could be achieved when making
motions and seconding motions. Jones stated when several people
second motions or do not speak up, it is very difficult to
determine who is motioning and seconding. Jones asked if it
appeared unclear she would appreciate repeating the whole motion
and second stating that, for example, four members of the Council
seconded the last motion.
Potasnik seconded the motion tabling the PGA Committee Report until
the next Council meeting.
There being no further business before the Council, the meeting was
duly adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
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Approved:
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ATTEST:
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