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MEETING MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 16, 1991
7:00 P.M.
CARMEL CITY HALL/CIVIC SQUARE
COUNCIL CHAMBERS
The meeting of the Carmel City Council was called to order at 7:00
P.M. by President David Adams. Council members in attendance were
Lee Lonzo (7:30 P.M.), Annabelle Ogle, Frank Fleming, Tom Irvin and
Alan Potasnik. City Attorney, Steve Andrews and Clerk-Treasurer
Susan W. Jones were also in attendance.
Councilor Irvin moved to approve the minutes of September
MINUTES:
3, 1991. The motion was seconded by Councilor Fleming. Members
Ogle, Fleming, Adams and Irvin voted aye. Councilor Lonzo was not
yet in attendance to vote on this agenda item. Motion carried.
Clerk-Treasurer's Budget: Clerk-Treasurer Susan Jones
TRANSFERS:
requested a $1,500 transfer from Printing and Other Supplies to
cover the cost of temporary help. Jones explained her office was
involved with a huge project in archiving the minutes and codes to
the computer and needed the extra temporary help in order to
complete the task by the end of the year.
Irvin moved to approve Resolution 9-16-91-1 which transferred
$1,000 from #452 into #111 and $500 from #358 into #111 within the
General Fund, Clerk-Treasurer's budget. The motion was seconded by
Councilor Ogle. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Police Department Budget: Assistant Chief Don Allen stated the
need for the transfer was explained in the letter sent to the
Council but would address any issues the Council might have.
Councilor Ogle stated she and Councilor Lonzo met with Chief Barney
about these transfers and understood this to be an opportunity for
the department to purchase these radios at a good price.
Chief Allen stated this is the first step of the 5 year phase-in
plan for the 800 mhz radio system based on funding. The additional
money was due to not having a full strength police force. Allen
said this will finish off the department's needs for portable
radios in the initial stage. Allen said he anticipated coming back
for a special appropriation to finish out mobile radios.
Councilor Ogle said mayor-elect Johnson had been included on this
project and supported it totally. Allen said it was Johnson's idea
to go ahead and finish out the system and do a special
appropriation.
A motion was made by Irvin and seconded by Ogle to adopt
Resolutions 9-16-91-1, 2 & 3 allowing for the following transfers
within the General Fund, Police Department budget.
From 101 Full Time Salary into 642 Other Equipment $61,500
From 641 Motor Equipment into 120 Overtime Salary $26,000
From 442 T elephone into 441 Postage $400
All members voted aye. Motion carried.
ORDINANCE D-723 ORDINANCE CORRECTING THE OMISSION OF D-600/AN
City Attorney
ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING A REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION:
Steve Andrews stated that the Clerk-Treasurer discovered that the
text of the new Code under recodification omitted Ordinance D-600
which was the Redevelopment Commission. Andrews stated the purpose
of Ordinance D-723 was to bring back the Redevelopment Commission
into the Code.
Councilor Potasnik moved for the introduction of D-723 and
suspended the rules for reading of the same. The motion was
seconded by Ogle. All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Ogle moved to suspend the rules and act on D-723 tonight. The
motion was seconded by Irvin. All members voted aye. Motion
carried.
Andrews
RATIFICATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION:
asked for the record the Council re-establish the two appointments
that had been made or state two new appointments. Potasnik made a
motion for the Council to approve the nominations of Dr. Tim Story
and Frances Shoup as Councils' representatives on the Re-
Development Commission. The motion was seconded by Ogle. All
members voted aye. Motion carried. Potasnik made a motion to
close nominations. The motion was seconded by Ogle. All members
voted aye. Motion carried.
President Adams asked all in favor of the nominations of Dr. Story
and Frances Shoup to the Redevelopment Commission. All members
voted aye. Adams signified Dr. Story and Frances Shoup as nominees
of the Council.
INDIANAPOLIS WATER COMPANY/MAPPING PRESENTATION FOR HAMILTON
Potasnik made a motion to move this to Item #7 on the
COUNTY:
agenda that evening. The motion was seconded by Ogle. All members
voted aye. Motion carried.
ANNEXATION ORDINANCE C-160/REMAINDER OF WOODGATE, WOODFIELD, AND
Potasnik made a
NORTHERN SECTION OF 146TH STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY:
motion to introduce the annexation of Ordinance C-160. The motion
was seconded by Ogle. All members voted aye.
Adams opened the discussion for public hearing.
James Quinn, Jason Court, Carmel, inquired of the Council if this
hearing was properly advertised. Quinn asked the Council to
postpone the annexation until they could get feed-back from the
homeowners associations. Quinn stated that the developer had held
back on putting finish coats on the streets and there had been a
number of complaints concerning chuck holes and the fact that the
roads were not up to par. Quinn suggested that Dr. Story's
subdivision had been promised street lights which the developer had
not installed. Quinn asked for some accountability to the
homeowners by the developer. Quinn stated that the developer has
been allowed to continue to obtain other variances and building
other subdivisions in the city. Quinn stated that holding back on
annexation approval was the strongest weight the Council had to ask
the developers to finish the work they had promised in the
subdivisions. Quinn felt that the City would be asked, at a later
date, to finish the work that the developer had not done himself.
Adams stated the hearing was properly advertised. The Clerk-
Treasurer indicated that was true. Andrews stated that concerning
the first item, unless the rules were suspended that evening it
would have to come back at the next meeting. Andrews then asked
Quinn if the three weeks until the next meeting would give him
enough time. Quinn indicated that would be enough time. Andrews
also stated that regarding the subdivisions, the contractor was
required to post a bond and that if the work is inadequate or not
done at all, the City has bonds that would allow the City to do the
work and charge it back to the bonding company. Andrews suggested
that Quinn contact the City Engineer to see if bonds existed for
the projects mentioned.
Hearing no others, Adams declared the public hearing closed and
opened the hearing to discussion by the Council. Irvin asked Quinn
if there were specific concerns about the annexation. Quinn
indicated that the homeowners associations were concerned that the
developer was continuing to improve the undeveloped parts of the
subdivision without bringing the existing built-out areas to a
first class condition. Quinn indicated construction traffic would
be coming from Carey Rd. and, therefore, heavy equipment would not
affect the roads in question. Irvin indicated that he felt the
Council needed reassurance from the City Engineer that these
problems were looked at carefully before approving annexation.
Ogle inquired if progress would be stopped whether there was or was
not an annexation. Andrews indicated the annexation would benefit
the City because the City would have more assessed valuation.
Andrews felt it would not harm the City by bringing the property in
through annexation. Andrews felt that as far as completing the
projects, the City Engineer could put pressure on the contractor to
get things done.
Potasnik indicated that the discussion of annexation could be let
go on the first reading and at the next meeting the questions Mr.
Quinn brought up could be addressed by the Engineering Department
or the petitioner.
Adams stated this Ordinance would come back for a second reading in
October.
Councilor Fleming made a motion to
COMMUNICATION CENTER CLAIMS:
approve the following seven claims for the Communication Center:
L.A. Carey Cleaning Service $ 150.00
GE Mobile Communications 17,600.00
Console Systems Inc. 16,306.60
UNR Rohn 1,542.00
Kroger 46.92
Vicki Bailey 31.67
Silk Concept, I nc. 510.66
Potasnik questioned if the City was still under budget on the
Communications Center Project. Fleming indicated the City was
still under budget. Potasnik asked if the Rohn claim was for a
back-up tower. Fleming stated that it was.
The motion was seconded by Potasnik. All members voted aye.
Motion carried.
DISCUSSION ON A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING
Potasnik
ACCESSORY USES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS:
addressed the Council regarding the concern of many people who have
been impacted by an archaic zoning ordinance. Potasnik stated that
although a lot of money has been allocated to update the Zoning
Ordinance which was still an ongoing project, he felt that the
immediacy of this problem needed to be addressed.
Potasnik stated that he and his constituents would like to see
changes to bring about more continuity. Potasnik indicated he felt
there was an immediate need to rectify an ambiguity in the
document. Potasniks' specific concerns were with radio, TV and
communication towers, where they can be erected in the future and
the need to modify the Citys' current Zoning Ordinance so the
various classifications conform. Potasnik stated he did not intend
to challenge towers which have already been erected or decisions
which have already been made concerning the other towers, however,
Potasnik requested to make the changes the Council felt necessary.
Potasnik stated he would like to offer a solution in the form of
an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance. Potasnik stated the
amendment would prevent towers from being erected in residential
zoning classifications without affording people the opportunity to
either support or oppose such a use in a public forum.
Potasnik stated that the City Zoning Ordinance addressed radio and
TV transmission towers in residential classifications in the S-1
and S-2 areas only as a special use. Potasnik stated that he felt
in all zoning classifications in the City and Township that radio
and TV and communication towers be considered special use before
they could be put up and an applicant would have to give legal
notice and a public hearing would have to be held before the Board
of Zoning Appeals. Potasnik also stated that he would like the
Commission to consider clarification and changes to the underlying
areas of the Ordinance under Accessory Building and Uses Section
dealing with towers and antenna. Potasnik stated that he would
like the Council to direct the Planning Commission to act on the
Councils' request, giving the public the opportunity to address
this issue followed by more public input, when the Amendment would
be brought back to the Council for adoption and consideration.
Potasnik stated that the Council had given special consideration on
many issues, making changes to protect property values and maintain
the character and overall aesthetics of the community. Potasnik
stated he believed this proposal would, also, protect property
values and maintain the character and aesthetics of the community.
Potasnik said that the Council has restricted heights of buildings
in commercial areas, yet why would the City not restrict a tower
for commercial use in a residential area. Potasnik asked for
action by the Council to afford the same protection in a R-3 as in
S-1.
*
* A complete copy of Councilman Potasniks' text is attached to the
Council Minutes.
Potasnik made a motion for the Council to recommend that the
Carmel-Clay Planning Commission consider clarifications and changes
to the Carmel Zoning Ordinance with regard to radio, TV, and
communication towers in residential areas and to also consider
changes to the accessory uses section in residential zoning
classifications as indicated in Councilman Potasniks' enclosed
text. Ogle seconded the motion. All members voted aye. Motion
carried.
Adams requested that a certified copy of the Council minutes be
provided to the Carmel-Clay Planning Commission to give the
Commission the opportunity to review what was discussed at the
Council meeting.
Councilman Lonzo made a motion to suspend the rules and allow a
citizen to ask a question. The motion was seconded by Potasnik.
All members voted aye. Motion carried.
Janie Naraine, Carmel, stated she represented a group of concerned
citizens who lived adjacent to the tower. Naraine stated that the
concerned citizens were upset that the permit was issued to
construct the tower. Naraine voiced new concerns over rumors that
a second tower or structure was being planned. Naraine asked the
Council what would protect them from this project starting when, as
she had heard, ordinance changes could take several months.
Naraine also stated she was concerned that the property where the
tower stood was not zoned residential and she felt that issue would
have to addressed. Naraine stated that she was advised that if
there was a problem with satellite dishes an immediate temporary
zoning ordinance was put into effect preventing communication
structures or towers going into place until public notice was
served and the public could provide input. Naraine asked if this
temporary ordinance could be applied to this problem to protect the
residents in the mean time.
Andrews stated the satellite dish problem was an ordinance that was
sent to the Plan Commission which the Commission acted on quickly,
returned to the Council and the Ordinance was passed within thirty
days or so. Andrews stated that there was a question as to whether
or not the City had authority to regulate the placement or
construction of the towers. Andrews stated that preliminary
research had shown that, for example, GTE had erected a tower that
was offensive to residents, but GTE was able to qualify as a public
utility possibly exempting them from zoning. Andrews stated that a
zoning attorney is currently working on this problem and Andrews
stated that the attorney advised him of several cases in Indiana in
which certain companies' qualifications allow them to fall under
the public utility law, keeping any City or township from
regulating them and that would make any ordinance against tower
construction void. Andrews stated that further review would
determine whether or not the City could proceed with an ordinance,
and that Andrews hoped his questions would be answered in the next
eight to ten days.
Potasnik stated that the Council had the right to move ahead and
protect the health, safety and welfare of the Community through
regulation until the City has been told that GTE is a regulated
utility. Andrews stated that Potasnik was correct, Home Rule
Statute says that units can do anything that they are not
prohibited by law or statute from doing. Andrews stated he did not
find a statute that prohibited the regulation, however, Andrews
indicated there may be case law that prohibits this regulation,
which would have the same effect.
Andrews stated the public should be aware that there are steps
through the Indiana Regulatory Commission that the public may have
to challenge whatever the City may not be able to control. Andrews
stated the Commission has a Consumer Councilor Division that could
provide the citizens with some help.
Irvin asked if a request has been made to install a tower, when did
the public receive an opportunity to provide input. Potasnik
stated that depending on whether the land was classified S-1 or R-3
would depend on whether or not public notice was required.
Potasnik stated that was the purpose of the discussion, to allow
public input regardless of zoning classification.
Adams asked all in favor of the Resolution pending before the
Council. All members voted aye. Resolution passed with a
certified copy of the Council minutes to be sent to the Carmel-Clay
Plan Commission for further action.
INDIANAPOLIS WATER COMPANY/MAPPING PRESENTATION FOR HAMILTON
Darrell Bakken of the Indianapolis Water Company addressed
COUNTY:
the Council regarding new computer maps that have been created for
the meter readers and customer service personnel at the Utility in
Marion County. The employees of the IWC have been so pleased with
the quality of the maps, that they have asked for similar maps for
new meter maps in the four surrounding counties that the IWC works
throughout.
Mr. Bakken stated that the IWC Utility began to investigate the
cost of completing the mapping costs. Bakken said that, at about
the same time, the Planning Director of Fishers asked IWC if they
were going to make new computer maps of Fishers. Bakken stated
that the Town Council of Fishers was considering the purchase of
new computer maps, and asked IWC if they would cooperate with them
regarding the maps.
Mr Bakken stated that IWC agreed to cooperate with Fishers and, at
that time, decided to contact other cities and towns in Hamilton
County and the County Officials in Noblesville, to set up a meeting
on August 22, 1991. Bakken stated sixteen people representing
thirteen agencies met and discussed the advantages of the Marion
County consortium, sharing costs and decisions that had to be made
regarding the mapping project. The group agreed to continue to
meet to discuss the possible merits of a similar Consortium for
Hamilton County. Bakken stated that a subsequent meeting was held
on September 5, 1991 and a third meeting is scheduled for later the
week of September 15th for the Hamilton County interested parties.
Bakken stated that he believed an accurate base map for all
interested agencies would have the following benefits:
1) Cities and Townships of the County can share more accurate
information such as addresses. (Bakken gave an example of an
address file in Marion County prior to computerized mapping as only
60% correct with everyone's address file different, such as, street
names, streets or avenues, and erroneous abbreviations.) Everyone
can share common information on parcel locations and the right-of-
way. (Bakken gave an example of maps prior to the computerized
maps that were off between twenty-five to fifty feet in geographic
accuracy.)
2) All additions to the map could be made by one agency and made
available by computer modem to all participants.
3) Eliminate duplicate mapping staffs, mapping costs and errors.
Bakken stated that the combined dollars spent by various cities,
townships and counties for aerial maps was amazing. Bakken said a
Consortium would eliminate duplication at less cost with better
quality than anyone could to themselves. The Marion County
Digitized Map is accurate within two feet which is tremendous
accuracy for virtually all purposes of government. Bakken provided
a list of the organizations discussing sharing the costs of the
Hamilton County map. (Copy attached to the Council Minutes.)
Bakken pointed out that some utilities were not yet at the table.
Bakken stated the local municipal governments could help the most
by encouraging the Electric, Gas and Telephone Utilities
participation through the chief executives of the cities and
County, writing to the chief executives of the Utilities asking
them to participate and share costs in this effort. Bakken stated
that the Mayor of Indianapolis invited the Utilities to the
Consortium in Marion County to get the project going, and Bakken
said it may be similarly necessary in this case.
Bakken stated that funding alternatives were considered and that
several examples were given for the Councils' review. Bakken
explained the levels of management - the executive board, the
technical committee, and the neutral home for the computer in the
Marion County Consortium. Bakken explained who developed the
mapping project for Marion County and the information packet that
was distributed at the Council Meeting.
Potasnik inquired if the information letter was written by IWC or
the Hamilton County Ad Hoc GIS Task Force. Bakken stated it was
written by IWC. Potasnik asked if the GIS Task Force came forward
with a recommendation. Bakken stated that the GIS Task Force
provided the cost recommendations on page three of the literature.
Potasnik asked if the variable costs provided in the literature
was for the purpose of Gis Task Force discussion only. Bakken
repled that the cost variable were discussion only. Potasnik asked
if any of the municipalities in the literature decided not to
participate would the cost figures be re-weighed. Bakken stated
that the figures would be re-weighed and that if a group came in
later, the new group would pay the recommended share and it would
be rebated to the other participants.
Potasnik asked if this project was comparative to what the City
already had in-house, what type of update costs were involved and
was the City capable of updating the project in-house. Bakken
stated that after the aerial photography, the ground survey and the
digitizing to an accurate base, the updates are then relatively
inexpensive and would be necessary every two to three years.
Potasnik asked Jerry Spicklemire, CAD technician for the City of
Carmel Department of Community Development, how the Hamilton County
Mapping proposal differed from what the City had in-house.
Spicklemire stated that the City did not have the capability to do
this project in-house. Spicklemire stated that the City had a lot
of data that creates fairly useable maps for some purposes, but not
comparable to the Hamilton County mapping proposal. Spicklemire
stated that once the City had an accurate base map, a lot of data
in the Citys' computer could be used as overlays on the new base
map. Potasnik asked if the accurate base maps were necessary for
the work the city does and did the city now use the county's map.
Spicklemire stated an accurate base for Hamilton County did not
exist. Spicklemire stated the City had the capability of copying
accurate bu small maps onto the computer, for example, sub-division
plats, but nothing existed to place an entity in a given map space.
Spicklemire said the City could not build a long term mapping
system without that ability and, therefore, it was essential to
build a long term mapping system.
Ogle asked if the amounts were determined for each entity by the
use of land area or use of data. Bakken stated three formulas were
used, 1) number of parcels in each jurisdiction, 2) area the
City/Township covers versus the whole county and 3) a
conglomeration of the first two formulas.
Irvin inquired if the Carmel/Clay shown on the proposed funding
literature included the City of Carmel and Clay Township combined.
Bakken stated that it was a combination of both including Planning
and Zoning, the Fire Department and the Clay Township Regional
Waste District.
Adams asked the Clerk-Treasurer to add an item for
OTHER BUSINESS:
Red Ribbon Week to the next agenda. Adams stated that he had
received a written request to pass a Proclamation outlining October
19th through the 27th as Red Ribbon Week.
Lonzo made a motion to request advertising for an additional
appropriation for health insurance for the Fire Department totaling
$40,387.15. The motion was seconded by Ogle. All members voted
aye. Motion carried.
There being no further business before the Council the meeting was
duly adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
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Approved:
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Attest:
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