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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes COM 03-29-22 Kevin: Is Staff comfortable with the comments on your four items? Alexia: If they can still work with the UF to add a couple more trees,they may still need that variance. But the other ones we are comfortable with. The menu board size will have to be worked on. Eric: With the separate pre-menu we may be able to make that up. Alan: Are you going to be able to meet with the UF before the next Plan Commission meeting. Eric: We have been trying to set up with them. I would like to say yes. Alexia: Have you submitted the plans yet on ProjectDox?The next set to review. Eric:Not yet. Kevin: When will you submit that? Eric: The civil has been working on that stuff, so I am hoping for the end of next week. Alan: Is that enough time?Alexia: The meeting is April 19th;the 8th is when the packet is due with the final set. Eric: I am hoping for that. Kevin: If we send it back and it's not done,you will get tabled. Alexia: Aliza brought up something else,we have to look at the location of the Menu Board sign to make sure that it meets the setbacks. Committee Comments: Kevin: I would make a motion that we send this back with a positive recommendation contingent upon the four items (plus the menu board)being worked out and submitted by the 8t of April, if they aren't,put it on our agenda as Tabled please.And all commitments made on tape as far as signage would be included on the motion. Alan: Dubbie seconded it. A Motion made by Kevin Rider and seconded Dubbie Buckler to send Docket No.PZ-2021-00139 DP/ADLS to the Full Plan Commission with a positive recommendation contingent on the four items remaining with Staff concerns plus the menu board and that it be submitted by April 8th,as well as all commitment made on tape be included in the motion. Approved 3-0,absent Hill. 5. Docket No. PZ-2022-00001 DP/ADLS: Culver's. The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for new Culver's restaurant. The site is located at 431 E. Cannel Drive. It is zoned B-8/Business and is not located in any overlay zone. Filed by Bob Goins of K&J Investments XVL,LLC. Petitioner:Jon Dobosiewicz,Nelson& Frankenberger: Jon: We want to review the comments and suggestions received from Staff and Plan Commission about the drive-thru, stacking,and building design. Illustration 1: Perspective of building standing along Cannel Dr. looking SE.There were a significant number of blue awnings that needed to be removed,we have done that.At the far end of the perspective, there were three additional areas where they had EIFS areas and the awnings,this has been modified,there is still a narrow blue banner to pick up some of that design element on the rear portion of the building.Presented revised elevation. The W side of building with horizontal design elements and blue awnings have been removed due to lack of windows.Described exhibits explaining what would be seen from different directions. The drive-thru has two ordering lanes with a structure above that space for protection and inclement weather.You can order from your car,but in certain situations when there are higher volumes,they will stage employees there for faster turnarounds.Dumpster enclosure on E corner of the site,matching materials of the building. The EIFS, stone and masonry predominately. Night view shows accent lighting only. Signage: one wall sign,faces Cannel Dr.and one ground sign along Cannel Dr.Originally there were wall signs on all four sides of the building and a couple on certain elevations, Staff advised to consider a more modest amount of signage. We have revised the signage and Staff is supportive. Bicycle parking has been revised;no variance needed.It has been relocated. The maximum lot coverage is supposed to be 60%,we are asking for 68%. Lot coverage percentage is consistent with Teachers Credit Union and some of the others that have redeveloped. We will be seeking 46 parking spaces rather than 70. Typically,they have a larger seating area,patrons 8 Commercial Committee Minutes 3-29-22 Iper vehicle who come in a sit down is more of an event rather than customary compared to other fast-food locations. Signage,we are seeking one additional sign. The N entrance from Cannel Dr.,today there is a combined entrance at that location, still a work in progress,we have sent this revised illustration to the Engineering Dept.(ED)to make sure we design that entrance correctly.Today there is a busted-up median at what is the exit from Fazzoli's and the entrance into this site. We have looked at it and we are proposin this condition but will have ED review it and when we come back to the committee,hopefully we will have a determination on what the best approach is there.This stippled area that extends from Cannel Dr. S onto our sidewalk, is a pedestrian walk. We had asked for consideration to move it to W,you will always have a potential obstruction as vehicles park on the parking spaces along Carmel Dr. If we move this,you still have obstructions.ED thinks the best location is where shown on schematic,because there is no obstruction in the way of an entering vehicle. We didn't amend location of the sidewalk due to those items. An additional item that was discussed was drive thru stacking. The illustration identifies how many vehicles can be there. From ordering the ordering standpoint,we can have as many as 6 vehicles que'd up in the ordering position under the canopy.Then there are 9 vehicles stacked at the pick-up window. This is the operative space;they need time between placement of orders and pick-up at window.In the event there is no adequate time between placing the order and picking-up,they have an additional 8 defined parking spaces—pre-defined at ordering time.There is another awning for inclement weather for employee protection. The reason that we have drawn it up was that the issue came up about there always being many people in the drive thru. Many other locations don't have the extended distance between the point of order and point of pick-up,plus defined 8 spaces after that.As a company they have looked at enhancing the experience as good they can particularly at the drive thru. The layout is different from other local Culver's locations,but they believe it will enhance experience for the customer. Alan: When they come in from Cannel Dr. following arrows,where the 6 cars are under the ordering canopy and then they proceed to come back together in a single lane, is this when they pay and then split off? IJon: There are different options,mobile order where you enter the drive thru and you have already paid or if there is an individual taking orders,there is probably an option to pay with that individual,or at the purchase window. It would depend on volume. Alan: The 4 cars on the left of the que area,would they have to cross over to exit? Jon: They would go to the right and enter this northbound only lane and approach the exit or they can come back around the building and exit out the easement on the back side of Fazzoli's onto AAA Way. Can the northern most vehicle in that left hand lane negotiate the crossover into the exit lane?There is adequate room there. Alan: Coming out of Carmel Dr.and following the arrows around, it's conceivable that you could have a que line extending out onto Carmel Drive? Jon: Again,the methods that they've employed here which differ from other locations are to avoid that condition. Dubbie: I think when you open you will have that condition. Department Report: Alexia Lopez: We received these revised elevations today.Appreciate moving the awnings, it is a great improvement for the architecture. We still need to review that.There are still some outstanding items with the architecture that we'd like to keep discussing with them:where columns are,they have stone that goes all the way up on some areas,but then on the fronts and some of the sides the stone stops and then there is EIFS. So,we'd like to see the stone continue all the way up.Taking a look at the roofline and enhancing that cornice,making it more detailed. The cornice along the drive thru canopy should also be more detailed to match the cornice for the main building,adding details underneath it, replicating what's on the principal building. Some areas where stone does go all the way up,seem heavy up top with heavy stone all the way up,if you bring the stone on the columns up,maybe have the water table at the bottom in the stone and the middle being brick instead. They moved the bicycle parking. Lighting plan needs to be updated to make sure that is compliant with the requirements,landscape plan approval is still needed by UF.Please get revised Idrawings into ProjectDox. Bob Goins: They were uploaded last Tuesday.Alexia: Was task completed to send it on. Bob: Rachel helped me. Everybody was having issues that day.Alexia: I will take a look to see if it moved on, if not we can help you get that sent on. 9 Commercial Committee Minutes 3-29-22 Alexia: We have not seen menu board size yet. We do have requirements for how big it can be. Did you address the asphalt path along Cannel Dr. and what your plan was for that? Jon: Working with ED.For the benefit of the community,when we have a situation where there is redevelopment, particularly along Cannel Dr.where the code today requires that walk path,typically we contribute to a non-reverting fund with the ED. Alexia: They are still working with the ED on the detention on water quality,we need to make sure that they are still moving forward with that and are compliant with those requirements. We would recommend this be continued after some discussion to the next Commercial Committee mtg. Committee Comments: Dubbie: Traffic flow,I contend that once this opens you will have traffic.Are arrows, striping,part of the consideration so people have a clear idea?My concern is up N,pulling in off Cannel Dr. do I know not to cut the corner deep? Jon: There will be directional signage on site that identifies the location of the drive thru. There will be yellow stripping. That is what we are coordinating with Fazzoli's,there is an existing easement between the two properties, and we are looking at alternatives for access. Alan: Does the dumpster door close and lock automatically. There is a very popular coffee place that has a dumpster as you approach the pickup window,the doors are always open,overflowing,and unsightly. Bob: It would be a steel frame that has the matching finish on the front. It has a steel rod that drops down into a hole, manually open. They swing out and close back. Alan: Would it be such that they could they remain open? Bob Goins: They would impede the drive thru if they remained open. Dubbie: Is it a possibility have them slide in and out as opposed to swinging? Kevin:No. The only time those are open is when the trash truck comes.You are not loading trash from those doors. Jon: We need to update illustration; it is from before the site plan changed and it shows the dumpster in the wrong location. It accommodates the dumpster and the recycle bin. Alan: The fascia on the canopy,will there be any signage on that?Jon: No.Alan: People will still be able to access Fazzoli's?The cut through not going away,right? Bob: This is a dedicated easement from that all the way to the road behind Fazzoli's. A Motion made by Alan Potasnik and seconded Kevin Rider to continue Docket No.PZ-2022-00001 DP/ADLS to the May 5 Commercial Committee meeting. Approved 3-0,absent Hill. 6. TABLED TO APRIL 19 PLAN COMMISSION-PZ-2022-00033 ADLS Amend: Ozwell Fitness. :,fitness f c:l:ty T e s:te is located „t 10 77 3 Avenue SW t: ed i 1/Industrial and of located within any. .e,la) dist is .Filed by Da id Gil, of T and De elo ent S bel l f f th aau.� ri7�t'1�eT�1T�GTRi1T-vi-C�i1e-pwilGf Meeting adjourned at 7:40 PM. 9 A iza Shah Recording Secretary Alan Po snik Committee Chairman 10 Commercial Committee Minutes 3-29-22