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CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
TUESDAY, JUNE 21, 2022 I MEETING MINUTES
Location: Council Chambers Room,2nd Floor,Cannel City Hall
Members Present: Dubbie Buckler,Jeff Hill,Joshua Kirsh,Alan Potasnik(Vice President),Kevin Rider,Sue Westermeier,
Members Absent: Brad Grabow(President),Carrie Holle,Christine Zoccola
Staff Present: Mike Hollibaugh,Rachel Keesling,Alexia Lopez,Joe Shestak
Legal Counsel: Sergey Grechukhin,Allison Lynch-Mcgrath
Time of Meeting: 6:00 PM
Declaration of Quorum:Vice President Potasnik: 6 members present,we have a Quorum
Approval of Meeting Minutes:A Motion made by Kirsh and seconded by Westermeier to approve the May 17,2022,PC
meeting minutes.Approved 6-0,absent Grabow,Holle,Zoccola.
Communications,Bills,Expenditures,&Legal Counsel Report: Sergey Grechukhin: Nothing to Report
Reports,Announcements&Department Concerns:Alexia Lopez:
1. Outcome of Projects at Committees:
a. Commercial:N/A
b. Residential: Docket No.PZ-2022-00025 PPA: Five-Ten Subdivision Amendment.
Docket No.PZ-2022-00053 SW: Five-Ten Subdivision Street Frontage Waiver-UDO Sec. 7.17.A
Returning to PC with a Positive Recommendation,4-0.
Public Hearings:
1. Docket No.PZ-2022-00045 DP/ADLS:Jackson's Grant Village Section 2.
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for 52 townhomes and an amenity building on 8.83 acres. The
site is located at the NW corner of 1166 Street and Springmill Road.It is zoned Jackson's Grant Village PUD
(Ordinance Z-653-20). Filed by Douglas Wagner with Republic Development LLC.
Petitioner: Larry Moon,Republic Development
• Our ADLS proposal is just for the 52 townhomes.We will come back to the Plan Commission(PC)for the
Commercial node of Jackson's Grant Village(JGV)
• Presented site location map, overall site plan, and landscape plan
• This townhome community will have its own clubhouse and an outdoor pavilion that is separate from JG
• Presented materials and floor plan for the community clubhouse
• Street signs and streetlights in JGV will be the same as they are in the rest of Jackson's Grant(JG)subdivision
John McKenzie,McKenzie Homes,Builder:
• Presented elevations, these attached townhomes will be very similar in design as the freestanding townhomes that
have been built in the Hamlet section of JG
• We will have 3-,4-,and 5-unit townhome buildings that will have a custom home quality and feel to them
• We will have different color schemes between each unit with alley fed rear garages.The sides of the units will be
predominately brick,with useable rooftop outdoor space and large windows.
• Presented the different floor plans, elevators will be a standard feature in all the units
Public Comments: None
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Department Report:Alexia Lopez:
• The townhome site plan is in line with the concept plan of the approved PUD
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• Alleys will be provided for each townhome with access to the rear-loading garages
• Two garage parking spaces per unit will be provided and guest parking is also shown per the PUD requirements
• Staff has requested additional brick under the second-floor balconies and the second-floor rear elevation
• Staff is asking for more windows in the rear of the buildings to break up the second-floor façade and provide
natural light into those bedrooms
• The site plan shows buildings with 3,4,and 5 units but only a 3 unit building elevation is provided. The Petitioner
will need to provide elevations for the 4-and 5-unit buildings.
• Clubhouse with a workout facility and general gathering space will be located centrally in this community
• Per the PUD,the landscape plan needs to show 1 shade tree and 1 ornamental tree for every 2 townhomes. Only
street trees are currently shown.
• The main signage was approved, and the commercial node will have its own sign.Model home signage is being
proposed and will have to meet the requirements of the UDO.
• Staff recommends that this continued to the July 5 Residential Committee for further review and discussion
Committee Comments:
Kevin: When we ask them to add windows,are we asking them to add a window to the bedroom where the bed will be
against that wall?Larry Moon: Yes.Kevin: I wouldn't want a window behind my bed.
Dubbie: Will you be adding a lap pool?Larry Moon: We won't be adding a pool to this 71-lot townhome community.
Sue: Can two cars fit on the driveway?What are the lengths of the driveways?Larry Moon: They vary in size. Many of
the units can fit two cars,but not all. Sue: Can you break down these numbers for the Committee?Larry Moon: Yes
Sue: How many buildings will have 4 units, 5 units?Larry Moon:It is shown on our site plan.
Sue:Are the details of the clubhouse listed in the PUD?Alexia Lopez: I'll double check the PUD for the specifics,but
what I reviewed is meeting the requirements of the PUD.
Sue: How much guest parking will you have at the clubhouse?Larry Moon: Parking will be listed in our site plans.
Sue: Will there be connectivity throughout from Clay Center Road to the commercial node?Larry Moon: Yes,once you
are in JG,there will be connectivity with the streets and pedestrian sidewalks.
Sue: Will this townhome community be allowed to use the JG amenities such as the pool?Larry Moon: No,they are a
separate HOA.The townhome clubhouse and pavilion can only be used by the townhome residents unless the
homeowners in JG vote and decide differently.
Jeff: Is there parking available in alleys?Larry Moon:No. Jeff: Do we need to put up"no parking"signs in the alleys?
Will there be guest parking in other places?Larry Moon: Guest parking will be on the public streets in front of the
townhomes,and not in the alleys.Jeff: Please provide your parking numbers at the Committee.
Alan:Are the roofs flat?John McKenzie: Yes. Alan: Do they appear flat?John McKenzie: There's a slight slope to
the roofs and have a roofing material called TPO,that helps with the drainage.
Alan: Is there a reason that the clubhouse design and townhomes design are different?John McKenzie: The townhomes
have a single-family element and architecture to it,and the clubhouse will have similar Italian architecture that is seen
throughout JG.
Josh: Are the two trees for every 2 townhomes part to the PUD requirement?Alexia: Yes,the two trees will be required
in the front of the lot.Josh: I'm worried the rear yards will look bare. Can we add some trees to the rear of these units?
Larry Moon: There's limited space in the rear to do large landscaping,since the driveways exist there.Josh: I would
challenge the Petitioner to find ways to add some trees to the rear yards to provide some shade and a way to break up the
yards.
Josh: What steps are you going to take to be in compliance with the JG PUD?Tree preservation areas(TPA)are in place
in JG. There are JG homeowners whose lots border along these TPA borders,and these homeowners are placing
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playground equipment, firepits,and mowing/cutting down vegetation in the TPAs.As an employee of the City, it's my
understanding that Republic doesn't think is their problem.I would ask you to come to Committee with some ideas in
how to deal with this problem.If JG is not in compliant with the PUD,I'm reluctant to sign off for any future approvals
for JGV. Larry Moon: I will look into this. I know we have had issues.There are many homeowners that abut to this
ITPA and take advantage of it. The HOA has contacted these homeowners.We are dealing with it,but I can't say that we
are in 100%in compliance. I can bring a report to Committee in what we have done so far. Alan: We take the PUD and
commitments set by this PC very seriously. If a homeowner doesn't follow the rules of a TPA,the HOA needs to take
responsibility for their actions. We want to keep this area within JG as a true TPA.
A Motion by Rider and seconded by Kirsh to send to the July 5 Residential Committee with it coming back to the
full Plan Commission for a final vote. Approved 6-0,Grabow,Holle,Zoccola.
Old Business:
2. Docket No.PZ-2022-00025 PPA: Five-Ten Subdivision Amendment.
3. Docket No.PZ-2022-00053 SW: Five-Ten Subdivision Street Frontage Waiver-UDO Sec.7.17.A: Lots
shall have direct access to a public street,Access from an alley and an access easement requested.
The applicant seeks primary plat amendment approval to reconfigure 2 lots and 2 blocks into 3 lots on 1.95 acres.
The applicant also seeks a design standards waiver to allow to 2 new lots to be created that front on the Monon
Greenway instead of a street. The site is located at 510 1st Avenue NW and is zoned R2/Residence within the Old
Town Overlay Zone and Monon Overlay Zone. Filed by Tom Lazzara of Custom Living.
Petitioner: Tom Lazzara:
• Our proposal is to take a two block and two lot subdivision and amend it into a three-lot subdivision
• Presented site plan,one of the landlocked lots will be created into one lot(lot 3).The south block will have an
access waiver for a private drive,and two custom homes.
• The Schwartz family were the previous landowners,and they are here tonight in support.The submitted an
affidavit for this hearing,and it was their intent to not restrict any kind of development on these lots.
• In 2001 when the Schwartz family amended this subdivision,there was an existing 150-ft easement,the JW
Marrow line,and it ran through the backyard,making it undevelopable. The Petitioner worked with the Hamilton
County Drainage Board,and had this easement removed,now making these lots developable.
• In the last 20 years a great deal of redevelopment has occurred in this area of Cannel
• I met with the CFD,and they are able to maneuver a ladder truck with correct turning radius to these proposed
lots. We will also install a new fire hydrant to service these proposed lots and existing surrounding lots.
• Presented aerial map to show the homes in this area with 10-ft access alleys and 20-ft access alleys
• It would take 9 to 11 seconds for the future homeowner to exit the proposed 160-ft alley that accesses 1'Ave NW
• I met with the Urban Forester on site,and he said we are meeting all the landscaping requirements. We will be
preserving the 55-ft TPA that runs from the Monon to these lots.
• I met with Cannel Engineering to see if they have any traffic concerns,and they did not have any concerns with
the traffic and the private access drive to these two proposed lots
• Mail is delivered by walking to the mailboxes located by the front door and the homeowners' trash cans are
required to be rolled to the street for pickup(1st Ave NW)
Department Report: Alexia Lopez
• Staff is in support of this PPA and SW
• The new lots are in character with the surrounding properties,the proposal meets the goals of the Comp.Plan,and
it is considered best fit next to the surrounding properties. Old Town and Monon Overlay standards will be met.
• TPA will be required along the Monon,and they updated the plat to show this
• Two homes currently use the public access alley,and this proposal will add just two more homes
• The Committee discussed the deed restriction on the plat,and City Legal Dept. stated that because the grantor and
grantee of the deed restriction are the same,the PC doesn't have the limitations to remove that restriction on plat
• Staff recommends approval of both items.
Committee Comments:
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