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Home My WebLink AboutCorrespondence 550 Congressional Blvd., Suite 210, Carmel, Indiana 46032 317-844-0106 JAMES E. SHINAVER LAWRENCE J. KEMPER * JOHN B. FLATT * FREDRIC LAWRENCE VALERIE L. MATHEIS** JANE B. MERRILL – Of Counsel JON C. DOBOSIEWICZ Land Use Professional *Also licensed in Kentucky **Also licensed in Illinois Via Hand Delivery September 16, 2022 City of Carmel Attn: Angie Conn One Civic Square Carmel, IN 46032 Re: Genesis Dealership PZ-2022-00123 V and PZ-2022-00138 V Dear Angie: Enclosed please find three (3) copies of the BZA Information packets for distribution to the members for the September 26th meeting along with a digital copy on a flash drive. Thanks for your assistance in this matter and should you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Very truly yours, NELSON & FRANKENBERGER, LLC Rick Rick Lawrence Enclosures Shestak, Joe From:Conn, Angelina V Sent:Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:58 AM To:Rick Lawrence Cc:Jon Dobosiewicz; Shestak, Joe; Shalit, Aliza Subject:RE: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 V Attachments:Development Standards Variance Handout 2022.docx Follow Up Flag:Follow up Flag Status:Completed Good morning, Rick – That is great that the ground sign design will be amended. Please keep Aliza and me updated on what the revised sign design will look like. nd For the 2 variance identified, you will need to do public notice for the new, additional sign variance request. The docket no. will be Docket No. PZ-2022-00138 V - UDO Section 5.39.H - Signs must face a street frontage (east); Signs facing south requested. Listed below are the new dates & deadlines: Sept. 26 Regular BZA meeting timeline filing deadline (DONE) 8/12/2022 Fri., by 5pm public notice deadline for mailings to be mailed / 9/6/2022 Tues., by 5pm signs to be posted deadline for public notice legal ad to be sent to The 8/26/2022 Fri. by 5pm Current in Carmel (so that it prints on Tues. Sept. 6) public notice legal ad to also be sent to The 9/1/2022 Thurs., by Noon Indianapolis Star (so that it prints by Tues. Sept. 6) Fees / packets due - agenda released 9/16/2022 Fri., by Noon dept. report issued/ proof of notice due 9/21/2022 Wed., by Noon BZA meeting 9/26/2022 Mon., 6:00pm The filing fee for this additional variance will be $708.00. Please let Joe or me know if you have any additional questions. Thank you, Angie Conn, AICP | Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | W: carmeldocs.com From: Rick Lawrence <rick@nf-law.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:42 PM To: Conn, Angelina V <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> Cc: Jon Dobosiewicz <jond@nf-law.com> Subject: RE: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 V 1 Good Afternoon Angie – I am working with Napleton regarding the ground sign issues you raised. I believe that sign will be amended to address the masonry base and delineated cornice issue. In the interim, we will table the matter to the September meeting. What do we need to do regarding the additional variance for the sign not facing a street frontage? Rick Fredric Lawrence, Attorney 550 Congressional Blvd, Suite 210, Carmel, Indiana 46032 Phone (317) 844-0106 Direct (317) 689-2689 Cell (317) 430-3776 Fax (317) 846-8782 rick@nf-law.com From: Conn, Angelina V <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 3:45 PM To: Rick Lawrence <rick@nf-law.com> Subject: RE: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 V Thanks, Rick – I was also relayed the following info (which were mostly part of the ProjectDox review comments for the Genesis ADLS petition in May): th The Genesis parcel has street frontage on Randall Dr., and their signs face E. 96 St. They will need to apply for a Variance for signs not facing a street frontage in addition to the one already filed for number of signs (1 allowed, requesting 4). The ground/monument sign must also be brought up to City Sign Standards. It is required for a Ground sign to have a masonry base that is at least the same width and depth as the sign itself; this one is not. The sign also requires a delineated cornice. If they would like to have this sign without the cornice (I believe that the design matches the architecture/materials of the building well and looks clean and nicely finished), they would have to apply for another Variance, which will be supported by Staff IF they update the base to follow the guidelines set by the city Sign Standards mentioned above. Or, they can add a cornice and avoid this variance altogether. (If they don’t change the design of the ground sign, I do not think we can/should support those variances. Perhaps they need a negative recommendation/denial from us in order to show the main dealership/corporate. In general, if we support their request for additional signs, they should meet our size and general design requirements.) At this point, do you think they should table to the Sept. 26 meeting in order to be able to present all items at the same time? Angie Conn, AICP | Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | W: carmeldocs.com From: Rick Lawrence <rick@nf-law.com> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:12 AM 2 To: Conn, Angelina V <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> Subject: RE: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 V I will let you know what they say. I do know that part of the issue is the Genesis design program and what it allows them to do (or not do). Fredric Lawrence, Attorney 550 Congressional Blvd, Suite 210, Carmel, Indiana 46032 Phone (317) 844-0106 Direct (317) 689-2689 Cell (317) 430-3776 Fax (317) 846-8782 rick@nf-law.com From: Conn, Angelina V <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 10:45 AM To: Rick Lawrence <rick@nf-law.com> Subject: RE: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 V Thank you, Rick. That will be great if your client can amend the ground sign to comply. Angie Conn, AICP | Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | W: carmeldocs.com From: Rick Lawrence <rick@nf-law.com> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 10:36 AM To: Conn, Angelina V <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> Subject: RE: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 V My intent was to advise the client to amend the ground sign to comply. I will raise the issue today again with them. Rick Fredric Lawrence, Attorney 550 Congressional Blvd, Suite 210, Carmel, Indiana 46032 Phone (317) 844-0106 Direct (317) 689-2689 Cell (317) 430-3776 Fax (317) 846-8782 rick@nf-law.com 3 From: Conn, Angelina V <Aconn@carmel.in.gov> Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 10:34 AM To: Rick Lawrence <rick@nf-law.com> Subject: FW: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 V Good morning, Rick – I was just made aware of this. You might need another variance for the ground sign design; I am working to get clarification on this. (Or, if you can amend the ground sign design to comply with the UDO, that would be great.) Please stay tuned. Angie Conn, AICP | Planning Administrator City of Carmel Planning & Zoning Dept. 1 Civic Square, 3rd Flr., Carmel, IN 46032 O: 317-571-2417 | W: carmeldocs.com From: Shalit, Aliza <ashalit@carmel.in.gov> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:54 AM To: Conn, Angelina V <Aconn@carmel.in.gov>; Keesling, Rachel M <rkeesling@carmel.in.gov> Subject: Genesis Sign Variance application PZ-2022-00123 Hi Angie, I wanted to give you a heads up that Genensis replied to my comments about their monument sign as follows: “The design of all the signs is dictated by the Genesis Brand Book and Corporate Image Program. Compliance is required as a condition of the Franchise Agreement between the owner and Genesis North America. We will include these design deviations in the variance application.’ I looked at their (variance) application and it only states the location and number of signs, there is nothing there about the design of the monument. I am not sure if this would have to have a separate variance or not, but I wanted to make you aware of this. They are missing 3 key requirements (cornice, masonry base, and required size of base). They state that the proposed signs otherwise meet the provisions of the udo, which is not the case with the ground sign. Aliza Shalit | Sign Permit Specialist Dept. of Community Services (DOCS) | Planning & Zoning City of Carmel | One Civic Square, Carmel, IN 46032 ashalit@carmel.in.gov | 317.571.2280 NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This E-mail message and its attachments (if any) are intended solely for the use of the addressee hereof. 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