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Carmel Plan Commission
COMMERCIAL COMMITTEE
Tuesday, June 27, 2023 Meeting Minutes
Location: Cannel City Hall Caucus Rooms,2°a Floor, 1 Civic Square,Cannel,IN 46032
Members Present: Joshua Kirsh(Chair),Leo Dierckman,Christine Zoccola
Members Absent: Adam Aasen
Staff Present: Rachel Keesling
Legal Counsel: Ally Lynch-Mcgrath
Time of Meeting: 6:00 PM
1. TABLED TO AUGUST 1 - Docket No. PZ-2023-00060 ADLS Amend: L'Etoile Amendment.
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2. MOVED TO AUGUST 15,2023 FULL PLAN COMMISSION AGENDA: Docket No. PZ-2023-
00110 ADLS: Rosie's Gardens Business Expansion.
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3. Docket No. PZ-2023-00116 ADLS Amend: IEC Building Addition.
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a 5,300 sq. ft. building addition. The site is
located at 11805 Pennsylvania Street. It is zoned B-2/Business and is not in any overlay district. Filed
by Roger Ward of Roger Ward Engineering on behalf of Indiana Electric Cooperatives.
Petitioner: Victor Reyes,Roger Ward Engineering
The architecture is consistent with the existing structure both in materials and size. There is a portion of the
building that will be a bit taller feature, a parapet with a total height of 25ft. Architectural plans also include a
series of window façades to break up the material (consistent with what is existing). No outside utility
connections, fire protection will be a design-built approach, serviced from the existing building. The site plan is
straight forward. Will have breezeway effect so the building will have a separation from the main building,
located in the U section of the open space and there will be an adjacent outdoor patio. TAC review has been
completed and we are in the process of addressing the infrastructure comments,particularly,the drainage. No
site lighting because we are not adding any more parking. Incidental lighting would be wall packs associated to
the actual building. We are in the process of revising the landscaping and comparing what is out there with what
is needed to meet the current code,which will be reflected on the final landscape plan.
Department Report: Rachel Keesling:
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The only outstanding item was the location of the bike parking. We want to make sure you are including it in
this addition for the overall building.
Reyes: We are going to put that within 50-ft of the front entrance. It will be a four-bike rack. Keesling: Near
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the new addition entrance?Reyes: In order to get to the addition,you have to go through the original building.
Joshua Kirsh: What kind of bike rack will it be?Reyes: Inverted U or A frame.
Keesling: We will make sure this is on the plans when they resubmit through ProjectDox. We recommend
approval subject to finalizing all comments on ProjectDox.
Committee Comments:
Christine Zoccola: A request was made that you install fencing around exiting row of trees to protect them
during the construction. Is that going to happen?Kirsh: There is a Cannel standard for tree protection. Reyes:
Is this part of the landscape ordinance?Kirsh: Yes, Rachel can provide that. It would be a snow fence beyond
the drip line of the tree to prevent contractors from parking their vehicles on the roots. Reyes: Is this for the
existing and proposed trees?Kirsh: You would do that for existing trees and would go in first. The sooner the
better. Zoccola: When construction is done that is when you bring in the new trees. Reyes: Requested the
document outlining the requirement sent over. Zoccola: Is this building currently occupied?Reyes: It will be.
Right now, it's going through transition of purchase, so they are going to do some interior remodel and this plan
is tied into that process. There are no proposed changes to the exterior of the existing building except for this
addition. In order to comply would we want to put a note on our plans to that effect, which communicates that
need to the contractor, so he puts the fence up?Keesling: Yes. Kirsh: You can use the tear sheet that Rachel
can provide you as well.
A Motion made by Leo Dierckman and seconded by Christine Zoccola to approve PZ-2023-00116 ADLS
Amend: IEC Building Addition.
Approved 3-0. Aasen absent.
4. Docket No. PZ-2023-00117 ADLS Amend: Tom Wood Audi Service Addition.
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a 14,100 sq. ft. building addition to create an
expanded service area. The site is located at 4610 E. 96th Street. It is zoned B-3/Business and is not in
any overlay district. Filed by Roger Ward of Roger Ward Engineering on behalf of Joe Feltman of Tom
Wood, Inc.
Petitioner: Tucker Potthast, Roger Ward Engineering:
We are in the process of addressing the TAC Comments.
Mike Balay,Balay Architects:
It's a very utilitarian addition for service vehicles and storage. There were no image program constraints from
the Audi Corporation, but they did require us to sheet the building with an EIFS product,which helped us meet
the energy code. Rachel got in touch with me to tell me she had a great idea about that. There is a pre-existing
perforated screen product (showed examples)that can be easily salvaged because it is screwed to the façade.
We have to take some of this off to build the addition, so we will relocate this decorative screening material to
the front of the addition that faces the street to add some interest to that façade. The owner thought it was a
great idea and they agreed to it.
Department Report: Rachel Keesling:
When we did this back in 2014 they were very strict on having a specific look with this very modern material.
Looking how much of this has to be removed in order for this addition to be completed, I thought surely there is
a way to save the material which was originally costly. They will salvage it and incorporate it to the east face of
the building. Will you be able to get me a new drawing?Balay: Yes. I did a quick calculation; I think we have
enough material to cover that whole facade. Keesling: So,the whole east façade will have a continuous look to
match the existing material you see as you come down the street. The back side will be the EIFS material that
goes around to the back. It seemed wasteful to discard this material. There were a couple of other comments: to
include short term bike parking on the site plan and to provide an updated landscape plan for review, but we are
still going through on ProjectDox, so we will make sure we get the required plans before final approval is
granted.
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We recommend approval subject to finalizing ProjectDox comments.
ICommittee Comments:
Zoccola: I am happy with your suggestion because this Audi building is really attractive, so to just have an
addition that is all EIFS would be disappointing. This will be much more attractive. Joshua Kirsh: I am
concerned that you will end up with not enough material possibly due to damaged pieces coming off. I want to
be careful that we do not lock you into an impossible scenario because you don't have enough materials. I
would like to give them the wiggle room should pieces not come off as cleanly as expected so you must order
extra that may not match. I hope it all works out, but if it doesn't, I would like staff to have the discretion to
work with you to come up with a reasonable solution. Balay: I think that makes sense. To that point I was
thinking if there was an issue with quantity rather than ordering some,just starting at the top and coming down
to the top of the overhead door. Kirsh: I will leave it up you and staff. I would like this to be reflected in our
motion: that if there is a discrepancy,the petitioner can work with Staff to resolve the issue as opposed to
coming back to the Plan Commission. Zoccola: Like an Amendment. Ali Lynch-Macgrath: You can assign
discretion to Staff.
A Motion made by Christine Zoccola and seconded by Leo Dierckman to approve Docket No. PZ-2023-
00117 ADLS Amend: Tom Wood Audi Service Addition pending review and approval of all the
ProjectDox comments and working with Staff to come up with an alternative solution with regards to the
East façade should there be a lack of enough exterior material to reuse the existing perforated material.
Approved 3-0.
Aasen absent.
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Meeting adjourned at 6:23 PM.
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