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TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 MEETING MINUTES
Location:Council Chambers Room,2nd Floor,Cannel City Hall
Members Present: Adam Campagna,Dubbie Buckler,Chaka Coleman,Brad Grabow(President),Jeff Hill,Josh Kirsh,Sue Westermeier,
Christine Zoccola
Members Absent:Adam Aasen
Staff Present:Adrienne Keeling,Alexia Lopez,Christina Jesse,Joe Shestak,Mike Hollibaugh
Legal Counsel:Aly McGrath,Sergey Grechukhin
Time of Meeting:6:00 PM
Declaration of Quorum:President Grabow: 8 members present,we have a Quorum.
Approval of the previous Meeting Minutes:A Motion made by Kirsh and seconded by Campagna to approve the August
15,2023 PC meeting minutes. Approved 8-0,absent Aasen.
Communications,Bills,Expenditures,&Legal Counsel Report
1. Plan Commission Resolution PC-09-19-23-a: CRC Resolution No.2023-25: The base assessment date for the
Proscenium II Allocation Area will be reset to 1/1/2023 and 4 parcels will be removed from the Amended 126th
Street Allocation Area.
2. Plan Commission Resolution PC-09-19-23-b: CRC Resolution No.2023-26: The base assessment date for the
Franciscan North Allocation Area will be reset to 1/1/2023.
IPetitioner: Bruce Donaldson,Barnes&Thornburg LLP: These items come from the Redevelopment Commission and
neither of them change the proposed uses of these allocation areas.They are required to go through City Council and
Plan Commission review to make sure they are consistent with the City's Comprehensive Plan.
Kirsh: By removing this area directly south of City Hall from the TIFF district,if a tea house would go here,we would
lose out on capturing taxes for this?Bruce Donaldson: Correct, it would all be City owned,so there wouldn't be any
property taxes to capture.
A Motion made by Buckler and seconded by Hill to adopt PC Resolutions PC-09-19-23-a,and PC-09-19-23-b.
Approved 8-0,absent Aasen.
Reports,Announcements&Department Concerns:Alexia Lopez:
1. Outcome of Projects at Committees
a. Residential Committee:
i. Docket No. PZ-2023-00014 PUD: Andrews PUD Rezone—Tabled to Oct.3.
ii.Docket No. PZ-2023-00136 DP/ADLS,PZ-2023-00157-00162 V: The Edge at West Cannel—Discussed and
continued to Oct.3.
b. Commercial Committee:N/A
Public Hearings
Grabow: Explained the Plan Commission's(PC)Rules of Procedure for a public hearing.
3. Docket No.PZ-2023-00138 DP/ADLS: LEO Cottages and Multi-family at The Legacy.
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a new apartment complex with 350 units made up of cottage
style homes and three 4-story buildings as well as a future commercial parcel. The site is located at the southwest
corner of 146th Street and Community Drive. It is zoned Legacy PUD(Z-501-07 and Z-679-22). Filed by Jim
Shinaver and Jon Dobosiewicz of Nelson&Frankenberger,on behalf of Advenir Oakley Development,LLC.
Commissioner Zoccola has recused herselffrom this item due to a conflict of interest.
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Petitioner:Jon Dobosiewicz:
• With me tonight are Scott Weathers of Advenir and Jim Shinaver of Nelson&Frankenberger
• Presented site location map, site plan, renderings, and elevations
• The PUD was originally approved in 2007,and the City Council approved the Ordinance Amendment in
February 2023 which established the underline zoning requirements
• Consist of 237 single family attached and detached rental homes,and 113 apartment units within the 3-story
buildings along Community Drive
• An internal sidewalk network will connect to the existing sidewalks within the Legacy
• A 2.4-acre site will be developed commercially in the future and will come back to the Plan Commission for
DP/ADLS review
• Raised pedestrian crosswalks will be located on James Dean Drive
• We will continue to work with Staff and the Committee on the architecture
• Staff is recommending this is continued to the Oct.3 Residential Committee for further discussion
Public Comments:
Mazin Jaliwala,Ridge at the Legacy: We are directly adjacent to this site.I'm here with other members of our
community.We had questions about how this construction would affect the perimeter tree preservation area. How much
would be impacted?We are concerned with the impact this might have on wildlife here.
Matt Mikrut,Ridge at the Legacy: I'm the 191 house off of 146th Street.Please enforce the 25-ft tree buffer along our
eastern border.This spacing is very important to us as a safety aspect. Community Drive is currently a cut through,and
we have concerns about traffic.Can speedbumps be put into place?I'm concerned about the student population at Prairie
Trace Elementary and what the addition of 350 residential units will do.
Cathy Newport,Grove at the Legacy: I researched the Advenir company. They have an F rating with the Better Business
Bureau. The complaints listed were about residents complaining about nothing being done with their complaints.
Paul Newport,Grove at the Legacy: We sent in a letter to the Planning Staff with questions and never got a reply back.I
believe that resident parking will only be available on the street and no garages will be available. The addition of these
units will create a lot of traffic in an already dense area.
Rebuttal to Public Comments: Jon Dobosiewicz:
• Tab 7 of the info packet contains the landscape plan and identifies the western perimeter.All improvements will
be made in the subject real estate. There may be a tree preservation area that takes place in The Ridge at the
Legacy. Invasive species will be removed,and additional plantings will be made on our side.
• Traffic calming devices will be included on our site as discussed and agreed on during the Legacy PUD
Ordinance Amendment. We presented that less traffic will be generated in what is being proposed in this
development than what was being proposed before the PUD Ordinance Amendment.
• Garage spaces will be included in different unit types. Surface and street parking will also be available.
Department Report: Alexia Lopez:
• The site plan follows the concept plan that was presented and approved during the PUD Ordinance Amendment
• 3,multi-story apartment buildings along Community Dr.and Equality Blvd.,transitioning to smaller scale
attached and some detached 1 and 2 story dwellings to the west
• An amenity center with pool and workout facility is proposed for this development
• Parking is available by attached garages,on-street parking,angled parking, large parking lot,and garages that
could be rented by residents
• We need the Petitioners to provide a bicycle parking plan,enhance the architecture of the street facing sides of
multi-story apartment buildings A and B,provide a landscape plan that shows the building plantings and plantings
along 146th Street,continue the masonry wainscot along the garage façade along the front of the cottage style
buildings, lighting details,and identify the size of the proposed signage
• Staff recommends this continued to the Oct. 3 Residential Committee for further review
Commission Comments:
Campagna: What's the parking ratio?Jon Dobosiewicz: Just under 2 spaces per unit.I'll confirm the count at the
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Committee. There's a standard specified in the PUD,and we will meet that standard.
Buckler: What's on the immediate eastern side of this site?Jon Dobosiewicz: East of Community Drive,there's a vacant
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arcel,a Wendy's,3-story JC Hart apartment buildings,3-story townhomes,and a daycare.
uckler:Are there any ADA units being planned?Jon Dobosiewicz: Yes, I will bring the exact number to the
Committee.
Buckler: How wide is the tree line you plan to put on the far west side of this site?Jon Dobosiewicz: Approx. 15-ft.
along the shared property line.
Buckler: Is it possible to raise up the masonry brick another story in the elevations?Jon Dobosiewicz: We will bring an
update of our elevations to the Committee.
Westermeier: How many product types are available in single-family homes?Jon Dobosiewicz: 5 different product
types.Westermeier: Can you bring in a more defmitive depiction of the product types?We need a much better idea about
what you are proposing here.Jon Dobosiewicz: We can bring in pictures of similar products that were built different
Cities.Westermeier: Bring in details of the amenities, like the pool and club house area.
Kirsh: Bring in brick and stone samples of the hard building materials. Lock down the anti-monotony clause.
Campagna: There's a standard we expect in developments. I don't like what I'm seeing in the renderings.I don't like the
entrance sign with a phone number.
Hill: We need to do a deeper dive into what the amenities are and what they look like. What's the trash plan for this
development?How does trash pickup work with all the angled and on-street parking?Are there ways to work with the
Engineering Department to slow the traffic down as much as possible.I want a community here that we would all be
Iproud of. Scott Weathers,Advenier: We will provide a trash service to all of the community. We will have maintenance
to pick up trash.One trash truck will go to the trash compactor area.Amenities include 2 fitness facilities,pool,fire pit,
beer garden,pickle ball courts,ping pong tables,pocket parks,and dog park with DNA testing. 3 raised crosswalks and
stop signs will be added along Community Drive.
Grabow: Bring in renderings of what the streetscapes will look like for the bottom retail floor of the 3-story apartment
buildings. Can we look at the signage for these spaces now?Alexia Lopez: We would like to see what the size of the
tenant space signages will look like now.Jon Dobosiewicz: 1st floor retail space will only be located in one of the 3-story
apartment buildings located on the SE corner.
Grabow: Street lighting along the streets versus the lighting used in the parking lots?What wall mounted lighting fixtures
will exist on the buildings and at the pool area?What type of lighting will be used for the entrance signage?What signs
are governed by the PUD and UDO?What signs are governed by the City's Sign Ordinance?Alexia Lopez: I will work
with the City's Sign Specialist to see what is permitted.
A Motion made by Hill and seconded by Westermeier to send Docket No.PZ-2023-00138 DP/ADLS to Oct.3
Residential Committee with it coming back to the full Plan Commission for a final vote.
4. Docket No.PZ-2023-00166 OA: HOA Rental Restrictions Amendment.
The applicant seeks to amend the Unified Development Ordinance in order to require that Owners Association
governing documents allow changes to rental restrictions with a simple majority vote of the members.Filed by
the Department of Community Services on behalf of the Cannel Plan Commission.
I Petitioner: Adrienne Keeling:
• This OA will make it easier for future HOAs to amend their covenants related to renters' restrictions
• There's a growing concern of out-state investment companies purchasing a significant amount of owner-occupied
single-family homes for the purpose of turning them into rental properties
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