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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes Sub 07-11-00 ., I ; u CARMEL/CLAY PLAN COMMISSION SUBDMSION COMMITTEE JULY 11, 2000 The regularly scheduled meeting of the Subdivision Committee met at approximately 7:00 PM on July 11,2000 in the Caucus Rooms of City Hall, One Civic Square, Carmel, Indiana. Members present were: Marilyn Anderson; Kent Broach; Wayne Haney; Ron Houck; Nick Kestner; Norma Meighen; and John Sharpe. Also present as an ex-officio member was David Cremeans. In attendance representing the Department were Laurence Lillig and Kelli Hahn. Item 1. Cu"ently Tabled: Docket No. 68-00 PP Amend, John A. Phelps Addition, Lots 12 & 13 u Item 2. Docket No. 57-00 PP; Hazel Dell Pond at Waterstone Subdivision Petitioner requests approval to oplat 31 lots on 23.945 acres. The site is located northwest of the intersection of East 116th Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is zoned R-2/Residence and is being developed as a Qualifying Subdivision under Chapter 7 of the Subdivision Control Ordinance (ROSa). The petitioner also seeks approval of the following Subdivision Waivers: 57-00a SW SCO 6.3.7 to plat a cul-de-sac in excess of 600 feet in length 57-00b SW SCO 6.3.19(1) to taper the required landscape easement to under 20 feet in width 57-00c SW SCO 6.5.7 to orient dwellings fronting on a thoroughfare towards the street of lower functional classification 57-00d SW SCO 6.3.6 to plat local streets with 45 foot rights-of-way Filed by Eric W. Penland of American Consulting for Mark Stout Development. Mark Harris appeared before the Committee on behalf of the applicant. Hazel Dell Pond is being presented for further review at this time. The subject site was formerly owned by Martin Marietta Aggregates. The property is bounded on the north by the Lakes at Hazel Dell Subdivision, the south and west by Lake Forest Subdivision, and on the east by Hazel Dell Parkway. Mr. Harris stated that the Hazel Dell Pond at Waterstone would be part of the Waterstone Homeowners Association. Landscaping is being provided in a 20 foot buffer between Dell Court and Hazel Dell Parkway, and in the northern buffer between Canyon Creek Run and the Brookfield Subdivision. The applicant is making every effort to save the existing trees along the north property line. L Signage and Lighting will be similar in design to that used in the Waterstone Subdivision. The entry sign and street signs will also be similar to Waterstone Subdivision. s:\Minutes\Committees\Subdiv2000july 1 " The homes will have a minimum square footage of 2,200 with a minimum first floor size D of 1,300 square feet. All one-story homes will contain a minimum of 1,800 square feet; the first floor of the homes must have a masonry wrap around the entire story. The homes will average in selling price at $300,00. The property will be accessed from three locations. The main entry will be otfHazel Dell Parkway and will align with Brighton Woods; Lake Point Drive will connect to the Lake Forest Subdivision; and Windbush Way will connect to the Brookfield Subdivision. Due to the physical constraints and shape of the property, there are four Subdivision Waivers being requested that will enhance the quality of the development. There is a pipeline easement that runs through the property. The waivers are for the length ofthe cul-de-sac; the taper of the required landscape easement to under 20 feet in width; to orient the buildings toward a street of lower functional classification rather than fronting on a thoroughfare; and to plat local streets with 45 foot rights-of-way. Questions from the Committee: Ron Houck asked if the pipeline was gas (Panhandle Eastern?) The petitioner responded in the affirmative. Wayne Haney asked whether or not the petitioner was intending the fill in the pond to make it stable for residential construction. The petitioner responded that probably a combination of raw materials, and natural clay on top would be used. o Kent Broach asked about access from the north and the south. The petitioner responded that the access from the north is through Brookfield Subdivision; to the south, Lake Forest; the main access is otfHazel Dell Parkway. Marilyn Anderson reiterated her initial request made at the time of public hearing for visual displays showing the adjacent, connecting subdivisions and the landscape plans. Wayne Haney asked if the petitioner had looked into a second access point otfHazel Dell Parkway in lieu of connection with Lake Forest. The main objection of the Lake Forest residents is that traffic that will be generated through their subdivision. Mark Harris responded in the affirmative; it is not likely that residents of the Hazel Dell Pond at Waterstone would be entering from the Lake Forest Subdivision. Mark Harris stated that the developer was requested by the city planners to connect to the stub street. Ron Houck asked if anyone had explored the option of extending off the existing cul-de- sac in Lake Forest; this may also eliminate need for the waiver for the cul-de-sac in excess of 600 feet. The petitioner responded that doing so would create confusion about where to enter and how the whole entrance would work. A resident of Lake Forest attending the Committee stated that they were trying to allow U" as little interference as possible with the Lake Forest Subdivision. s:\Minutes\Committees\Subdiv2000july 2 "I u Mark Harris stated that there is a forced main sewer for a four inch instead of the normal eight inch sewer. Also, there has been nothing in the soil tests that would warrant further activity. There were also visual soil tests done. Ron Houck asked if the variance for 6.3.19 (1) were not granted, what would happen to the design. Mark Harris responded that the waiver was only for a small section--the road could be pushed farther into the lake area, approximately 15 feet. Marilyn Anderson asked for details on the landscaping; it doesn't appear to be enough. Mark Harris responded that the "bushes" (burning bush, Norway Spruce and Forsythia) would be 4 feet high from the west end all the way across to the last property. The mature trees on the property line will be preserved. If the neighbors want a fence, Mr. Harris was fine with that. The trees are 40 to 60 feet tall, and will not be torn down. There mayor may not be mounding in connection with the landscaping. Ron Houck asked about T AC concerns. Mark Harris stated that there is a letter on file from John South of the County Soil & Water that the site can be serviced and is OK at least for plat approval. There are four options for water service on the site. Laurence Lillig stated that all variances or waivers would not be "signed off" until Secondary Plat approval. u Scott Brewer, the City's Urban Forester, was to work with the petitioner and Laurence Lillig asked that a copy of the detailed landscape plan be submitted to Scott Brewer's attention. Laurence Lillig commented that on the original plat, the north corner was included as a part oflot 6. The Department pointed out that it was actually a part of the Roehling property platted with Brighton Woods. Another triangle of land of similar size was platted as part of Hazel Dell Pond property. Is there some sort of trade that could occur so that there is no "leftover" triangular piece? Mark Harris responded that there is some confusion as to the ownership of the triangular piece. Laurence Lillig further commented that Carmel's Subdivision Control Ordinance prohibits "through lots. II The double-frontage lot is in question and is in technical violation of the Ordinance, even though it is not on a major thoroughfare. John Sharpe moved to recommend approval of Docket No. 57-00 PP, Hazel Dell Pond at Waterstone, seconded by Norma Meighen. The motion was DENIED zero in favor, 7 opposed. The Subdivision Waivers are not supported by any member of the Committee. u s:\Minutes\Committees\Subdiv2000july 3 Item 3. Docket No. 115-00 ADLS; Saddle Creek Subdivision Signage Petitioner seeks approval of permanent Subdivision signage established for the Saddle Creek Subdivision. The site is located on the northwest and southwest corners of West 141st Street and Ditch Road. The site is zoned S-1/Residence. Filed by Tim Walter of Ditch Road Properties. u Paul Reaux appeared before the Committee representing Ditch Road Properties. A new section of Saddle Creek is being platted at 141 st and Ditch Road and approval for existing signage is being requested. There are two signs, one located at each entrance. One sign reads "Saddle Cree~" the other reads "Saddle Creek Meadows." The sign walls are 16 feet long, constructed of stone, sides are fiberglass, grouted, and the top is cast stone. The signs are landscaped at the base. A curiosity question of "Whatever happened to the horse sculpture originally proposed for the Subdivision?" was answered with an assumption that the sculpture was determined to be too expensive to construct and the plan was thrown out along with the underpass originally proposed. Laurence Lillig reported that from the drawings, the signs are established inside drainage easements. There is a 50 foot drainage easement and the signs are established within the landscaped easement and right-of-way. lJ The County Surveyor will require a Consent to Encroach and the petitioner will also need a permit from the Department of Community Services. John Sharpe moved for the approval of Docket No. 115-00 ADLS, Saddle Creek Subdivision Signage. APPROVED 7 in favor, none opposed. Item 4. Docket No. 124-00 ADLS; Lakes at Hazel Dell Subdivision Sign age Petitioner seeks approval of permanent Subdivision signage established for the Lakes at Hazel Dell Subdivision. The site is located on the southeast and southwest corners of East 126th Street and Hazel Dell Parkway. The site is zoned S-1/Residence. Filed by David Sexton of The Schneider Corporation for Zaring National. David Sexton of The Schneider Corporation appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. Approval is being requested for permanent Subdivision Signage for the Lakes at Hazel Dell. The petitioner submitted drawings and also photographs of the existing signs. There are U four, permanent Subdivision signs located near the entrances off of Hazel Dell Parkway, north bound and south bound, and one at each entrance on 126th Street. s:\Minutes\Committees\Subdiv2000july 4 " u Laurence Lillig reported that the existing sign "A," the Estates sign, is located in the median and totally within the right-of-way. All suspended signs are located within drainage and utility easements and are too close to the right of way. These signs will require Board of Zoning Appeals approval for set back variances. The signs will also require Board of Public Works approval and a formal Consent to Encroach document. Ron Houck suggested that some sort of project checklist be devised so that approval would be forthcoming before signage is actually installed in place, inappropriately. Enforcement definitely needs to occur. The Committee, as a whole, was in favor of the basic design of the signage and the appearance. The Subdivision signs are to be landscaped and lighted Kent Broach commented that technically, the Committee could approve the actual sign age, but not the location. Norma Meighen moved to approve the basic design of the signage as presented, i.e. the aesthetics of the signs, NOT the placement, seconded by Kent Broach. APPROVED 7 in favor, none opposed. [J Here followed a short discussion on the Home Place Task Force group. The next meeting of the Home Place Task Force will be at the Hensel Township Center on August first. There being no further business to come before the Committee, the meeting was adjourned at 8:40 PM. f2-d:f4/ I Ron Hotkk, Chairperson u s: \Minutes\Conunittees\Subdiv2000july 5