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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCorrespondence u w Conn, Angelina V From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Conn, Angelina V Tuesday, November 08,200512:53 PM 'Granner, Steven' Leo.Dierckman@opco.com; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Tristan Glover; Littlejohn, David W RE: One Penn Mark ADLS Amend. Approval Steve: The sign size was amended from the original submittal of 118.5 sq ft to 99 sq ft. Yes, that was an error; he probably thought the building width was greater than 250 feet, resulting in the 100 sq ft calculation. The Oak Street Mortgage Sign should only be 75 sq ft in area, based on the freeway sign chart. Bldg width = 220 ft I & sign distance from R/W = 130 I ft. The existing sign is 99 sq ft in area. The Department has determined that the Oak Street Mortgage sign may exist as is. However, if this sign is ever removed, the next sign to take its place on that frontage must meet the square footage determined by the freeway sign chart. As for the 2nd wall sign to face US 31 (south of the Oak Street Mortgage sign), this sign's approval will remain as approved on Nov. 1. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator Division of Planning & Zoning Dept. of Community Services City of Carmel p. 317-571-2417 f. 317-571-2426 aconn@carmel.in.gov -----Original Message----- From: Granner, Steven [mailto:sgranner@boselaw.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:02 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Leo.Dierckman@opco.com; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Tristan Glover; Littlejohn, David W subject: RE: One Penn Mark ADLS Amend. Approval Angie: Thanks for the info. I do notice on Jon Dobosiewicz's docket assignment e-mail where you highlighted that, in addition to saying a variance is required due to size, it says that "100 square feet is the maximum allowed by Ordinance". Is it possible that the original filing was for a sign in excess of 100 sq. ft. and that they amended their request to the 99 sq. ft. sign that the permit reflects? That would explain how the permit got written without a variance. However, I still haven't figured out for sure where Jon got "100 Sq. ft." To be permitted that amount currently, the building frontage would need to be "over 250 feet" per the existing 'Sign Chart B: Freeway'. When I figure it, I don't get any more than 225 feet for the building frontage. Do you think that was just an error on Jon's part or did this 'Sign Chart B: Freeway' figure get changed in the amendment per Ordinance No. Z-433-04, which amended 'Sign Chart B: Freeway'? In which case, if it did, the sign did meet the Ordinance standards in place at the time. If the Ordinance did permit 100 sq. ft. per Jon's e-mail, then the sign is legal and we shouldn't have to do anything. If Jon made an error and 100 sq. ft. was not permitted back then, how many hoops do we need to jump through to correct the City'S error? Do we need do anything? If you determine we do, can we simply send a 10 day notice and give a 10 day paper publication and piggy back with the existing petition - at no cost to my client? Thanks, Steve 1 .-. u u -----Original Message----- From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:47 AM To: Granner, Steven Cc: Leo.Dierckman@opco.com; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Tristan Glover; Littlejohn, David W Subject: RE: One Penn Mark ADLS Amend. Approval Steve: Attached is the scanned docket no assignment email from 2002 issuing the docket no for Oak Street Mortgage and stating that a variance will be needed for square footage. It was then the petitioner's responsibility to follow up with the variance application submittal, which never happened. The docket nos. on the Oak Street sign application were placed there by Dawn, to show all related petitions for that site, not necessarily for the sign, itself. Also, below are the meeting minutes for the Oak Street ADLS amendment in Oct. 2002: 7. Docket No. 134-02 ADLS Amend- Oak Street Mortgage petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping & install a new wall sign. The site is located at 11595 North Meridian. B-6 Business. Filed by Tom Ely, Jr. of the Sign Group, Inc. Signage approval to The site is zoned Rom Ely with the Sign Group, Inc. appeared before the Committee seeking approval for a new wall sign, internally illuminated, channel letters with ivory faces at the north end of the west elevation of 11595 North Meridian Street. The signage will match the existing with the office complex. Laurence Lillig said the Department recommends favorable consideration once all Committee concerns have been addressed. Paul Spranger moved to approve Docket No. 134-02 ADLS Amend, Oak Street Mortgage, conditioned upon the level of illumination being acceptable to the Department. The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and APPROVED 5-0. I assume you will want to table the current variance petitions to take time to include a variance for the Oak Street sign square footage. Let me know if this is not the case. (Regarding the 2nd sign facing US 31, I am sure we can resolve the square footage allowed for the 2nd sign, based on what the Subdivision committee approved Nov. 1, 2005. I will discuss this with Mike Hollibaugh.) Angie Conn, Planning Administrator Division of Planning & zoning Dept. of Community Services City of Carmel p. 317-571-2417 f. 317-571-2426 aconn@carmel.in.gov -----Original Message----- From: Granner, Steven [mailto:sgranner@boselaw.com] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:24 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Leo.Dierckman@opco.com; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Tristan Glover; Littlejohn, David W Subject: RE: One Penn Mark ADLS Amend. Approval Angie, I assume that docket number 134-02 ADLS Amend. listed on the front of the Sign Permit Application is the ADLS approval for the Oak Street Mortgage sign? If so, what do the Staff Report and meeting minutes state with regard to this sign and its size? Also, there appears to be at least 3 variance docket numbers listed on the front of the Sign Permit 2 Appiication V-40-85, V-14-88 and V-90-89. What were these variances for? If any of these were for signs (and why list them as "Required Approvals" if they were not), then perhaps one of these previous variances was used by staff to authorize the Oak Street Mortgage sign (if it fit within the "box" of the previous approval, then all staff would have required is a new ADLS). I do recall that David couldn't find one of the variance files when we were researching this site for old variances. Perhaps this missing file is the variance that was used to authorize the Oak Street Mortgage sign. Maybe this "lost" variance file is misfiled in the 134-02 ADLS file? We do know for a fact that this building used to have two signs on the west (Meridian) fa~ade and we all know that this would have required a variance. u (,;) In any event, it appears the sign has ADLS approval, it appears they got a sign permit having fully disclosed the size of the sign and it appears they constructed a sign in conformance to the permit they obtained. Please forward the information requested above at your earliest convenience. Thanks, Steve -Original Message----- From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:07 AM To: Granner, Steven Cc: Leo.Dierckman@opco.comi Hollibaugh, Mike Pi Tristan Gloveri Littlejohn, David W Subject: RE: One Penn Mark ADLS Amend. Approval Steve: Upon further research, the Oak Street Mortgage sign NEVER received a variance for its square footage in excess of what the sign ordinance allows for a sign facing the freeway. Even the sign permit has a note attached to it stating that the sign should have had a variance and it is a non-conforming sign. The best thing to do is to table the current variances being sought and add an additional variance for square footage for the Oak Street mortgage sign. Angie Conn, Planning Administrator Division of Planning & Zoning Dept. of Community Services City of Carmel p. 317-571-2417 f. 317-571-2426 aconn@carmel.in.gov -----Original Message----- From: Granner, Steven [mailto:sgranner@boselaw.com] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:58 PM To: Conn, Angelina V Cc: Leo.Dierckman@opco.comi Hollibaugh, Mike Pi Tristan Glover Subject: One Penn Mark ADLS Amend. Approval <<SFX1BA8.pdf>> Angie, As you will recall, the Subdivision Committee, who does not normally hear ADLS petitions, heard our request Tuesday night for a new sign on One Penn Mark and reduced our requested 105 sq. ft. sign size because "it wouldn't be fair to Oak Street Mortgage to approve a bigger sign for a new tenant". As you can see from the attached, the Oak Street sign did in fact have a variance and it is 99 sq. ft. in size. The Committee's action limited our new sign size to 75 sq. ft. - 24 sq. ft. less than the Oak Street sign. In trying to be "fair", I think the result of the Committee's action was to actually be "unfair" - and its decision was also certainly inconsistent with previous approvals by the Special Studies Committee. My question to you is, do we have some avenue available to try to correct this now or do we need to wait and see exactly what size sign the tenant desires and only try to correct 3 ; it if we in fact know we ne~more square feet? o Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve This message is from the law firm Bose McKinney & Evans LLP. This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information, and are intended only for the individual or entity identified above as the addressee. If you are not the addressee, or if this message has been addressed t9 you in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this message and any attachments, and we ask that you please delete this message and attachments (including all copies) and notify the sender by return e-mail or by phone at 317-684-5000. 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