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COMMON COUNCIL
MEETING MINUTES
MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 2024 – 6:00 P.M.
COUNCIL CHAMBERS/CITY HALL/ONE CIVIC SQUARE
MEETING CALLED TO ORDER
Council Vice-President Adam Aasen; Council Members: Jeff Worrell, Ryan Locke, Rich Taylor, Teresa
Ayers, Matthew Snyder, Anita Joshi, Shannon Minnaar and Deputy Clerk Jessica Komp were present.
Council President Anthony Green was not present.
Council Vice-President Aasen called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
AGENDA APPROVAL
Councilor Snyder moved that the agenda be re-ordered to move Ordinance Z-692-24 from Item 14.c. to
Item 12.a. Councilor Taylor seconded. There was no discussion. Council Vice-President Aasen called for
the vote. Motion to re-order the agenda approved 8-0. Councilor Taylor made a motion to approve the re-
ordered agenda. Councilor Ayers seconded. The re-ordered agenda was approved unanimously.
INVOCATION
Chaplain George Davis of the Carmel Police Department delivered the Invocation.
Thorpe Creek Elementary 3rd grader Layla Halvorson led the pledge of allegiance.
RECOGNITION OF CITY EMPLOYEES AND OUTSTANDING CITIZENS
Police Chief Drake Sterling introduced seven new Carmel Police Officers, Kaitlyn Colgate, Victoria
Simmons, Bailey Boyd, Brian Vasquez, Andrew Gordon, Cameron Miller and Tawk Hnin Thang. The
new officers were sworn in by Mayor Finkam.
RECOGNITION OF PERSONS WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL
Jill Meisenheimer spoke in opposition to Ordinance Z-692-24. Ms. Meisenheimer stated that she hoped
this item would be sent to committee for more discussion. She stated that since The GOAT Tavern was
not named in the agenda, citizens might not know which property is being referred to. She would also like
for it to be made easier for citizens to sign up to receive agendas for city meetings. Ms. Meisenheimer
also felt that the establishment should commit to not stay open later than 12:00 a.m. on weeknights and
1:00 a.m. on weekends, and to limit hours that outdoor speakers could be used. She would like to see a
DORA enact set hours for establishments to stay open, and she would like the Council to discuss what
recourse neighbors of The GOAT would have if current commitments are terminated, and issues return.
Jane Fleck spoke in favor of Ordinance Z-692-24, stating that as a neighbor to The GOAT, she has not
recently been bothered by noise coming from the restaurant, even when the restaurant is full. She
anticipates that when the windows are opened and patrons are dining outside, the noise will not become a
nuisance, as it had been before the commitments in question were made. She also stated that Kevin Paul
has agreed to reconstruct the fence between The GOAT and Ms. Fleck’s property once the depot’s
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construction has been completed. She stated that Mr. Paul has done a good job of keeping his
commitment and she expects that once the restrictions are lifted, he will continue to be a good neighbor.
Nancy Tatum stated that she would like to see the Carmel City Council follow suit with the Indianapolis
City Council and protect our urban forests. She would like Carmel to institute a curb-side leaf pickup
program so that leaves can be raked into the street as Noblesville has done. Ms. Tatum is concerned about
motorized bikes speeding through neighborhoods, disregarding traffic signs. She also stated that she
thinks there are too many apartments in Carmel.
Mark Hall spoke in favor of Ordinance D-2725-24. Mr. Hall is the Vice President of the Hamilton County
Regional Development Commission and a Hamilton County Councilor. He asked the Council to pass this
ordinance tonight, as the TIF dollars are what will make this very important project possible.
Carmel Police Chief Drake Sterling spoke in favor of Ordinance D-2725-24. Chief Sterling believes that
this investment will help bring training up to national standards so that we may continue to have fantastic
public safety in Hamilton County.
Sheriff Dennis Quakenbush spoke in favor of Ordinance D-2725-24. Sheriff Quakenbush stated that this
training facility will offer the highest level of technology, and will allow the public safety units of the
different cities within Hamilton County to partner together.
Tony Murray, Noblesville firefighter and paramedic, spoke in favor of Ordinance D-2725-24. Mr. Murray
believes that we are at a time when this facility is needed so that training can be updated and adapted to
best fit the changing needs of fighting fires in mid-rise and high-rise buildings.
Tim Fagin spoke in favor of Ordinance D-2725-24. Mr. Fagin is a Carmel firefighter and paramedic as
well as a Carmel S.W.A.T. paramedic, and he believes that every public safety department will benefit
from this training facility.
Sean Sutton, Training and Safety Chief for the Carmel Fire Department, spoke in favor of Ordinance D-
2725-24. Chief Sutton stated that this training facility will provide the opportunity for live fire safety
training, which is especially important to adapt fire-fighting practices for mid and high-rise buildings.
Sue Maki, Hamilton County Councilor At-Large, spoke in favor of Ordinance D-2725-24. Ms. Maki
stated that her constituents, the citizens of Hamilton County, overwhelmingly support the building of this
public safety training center.
COUNCIL AND MAYORAL COMMENTS/OBSERVATIONS
Layla Halvorson, third grader at Thorpe Creek Elementary School, gave the Mayor’s Report to Council.
The Mayor reports that the Fire Chief search has been narrowed down to finalists, and she hopes to have
an announcement within the next two weeks. The next Housing Task Force meeting is solely for the work
group to meet and discuss ideas, on Thursday, August 8th, at 7:30 a.m. The budget is progressing, the city
leaders did a great job prioritizing requests. Budget requests exceeded the available revenue. The Mayor
and CFO are meeting with department leaders to work through those requests. The City will soon be
making an announcement regarding its banking RFP. The Indy Chamber is hosting a spotlight on Carmel
at the Hotel Carmichael on August 16th, tickets are just $15.00. The Mayor would like to thank Councilor
Matt Snyder for chairing the Commission on Veterans and Military Families, and Councilor Rich Taylor
for chairing the Commission on Senior Living. The commission members have been selected and will be
announced this week.
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Councilor Taylor stated that the first meeting of the Mayor’s Advisory Commission on Senior Living will
take place on Wednesday, August 28, 2024, at 5:30 p.m. in Council Chambers.
CONSENT AGENDA
Councilor Snyder moved to approve the consent agenda. Councilor Minnaar seconded. There was no
discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for the vote. The consent agenda was approved 8-0.
a. Approval of Minutes
1. July 15, 2024 Regular Meeting
b. Claims
1. Payroll - $3,715,897.86
2. General Claims - $4,665,236.84
ACTION ON MAYORAL VETOES
There were none.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
Councilor Worrell reported that the Finance, Utilities and Rules Committee had not met since the last
Council meeting. The Finance Committee will have one item on its agenda for the Tuesday, August 13th
meeting, Ordinance D-2719-24, the “Proscenium III” ordinance. The Finance, Utilities and Rules
Committee meets at 6:00 p.m. in Council Chambers.
Councilor Snyder reported that the Land Use and Special Studies Committee met on July 17th at the
Carmel Clay Public Library to discuss the DORA. The ordinances pertaining to the DORA will be
coming back from committee tonight and will be discussed later in this meeting.
OTHER REPORTS
The Carmel Redevelopment Commission’s monthly report was given by Director Henry Mestetsky. The
Wren and The Windsor buildings continue their progress. The plans for the Tavern on the Green at the
Proscenium continue to move forward. 1st on Main is generally open, the condos are currently under
construction. The Magnolia has its third elevator up. The Muse is close to announcing its retail tenants.
The Signature’s tenants are all in, and there is a vegetable garden on the north side of that property. The
Civic Square condos are currently in design, those should start early next year. The headquarters space for
Republic Airways at Hamilton Crossing is currently under construction. Lots of headquarters are moving
from Indy to the 111 S. Rangeline building. Icon on Main is moving forward, the last part of construction
will be the public plaza. The public is invited to a beam-signing event at the Carmel Clay Historical
Society on Thursday, August 8th at 10:00 a.m.
Councilor Snyder also announced that the dedication and grand opening of the Carmel Clay Building
which houses the Carmel Fire Department Headquarters, and the Fire Buffs Museum will be on August
15th at 6:00 p.m.
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OLD BUSINESS
Council Vice President Aasen announced the first reading of Ordinance Z-692-24; An Ordinance of the
Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, to Modify or Terminate the Commitments recorded on
220 2nd Street SW; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Snyder, Green, Aasen and Taylor. Councilor Minnaar made a
motion to introduce. Councilor Snyder seconded. Councilor Snyder presented the item to Council.
Councilor Snyder shared that it was important to address this issue before voting on the DORA, as all
participating DORA establishments should have to play by the same rules. Several years ago, during the
pandemic, restrictions were placed on this parcel, which houses the establishment known as The GOAT.
However, these restrictions are now prohibiting this establishment from competing on a level playing
field with neighboring restaurants. Councilor Snyder read a statement from Alan Cohen, whose property
is adjacent to The GOAT, who now supports the restrictions being lifted . Dave Coots, legal
representative for the landowner, Kevin Paul of Tomahawk Holdings, then spoke to Council about the
difference between The GOAT as it operated when these restrictions were put in place, and The GOAT as
it has operated since being renovated and reopened. The building is different, the outdoor games area has
been eliminated, leaving only outdoor dining along the Monon. There are no outdoor speakers, nor are
there plans to install any. Mr. Paul is willing to comply with the hours of operation standards that will be
established for all restaurants in the district. The current restriction of ending outdoor dining past 7:00
p.m. has made The GOAT the only restaurant along the Monon required to end outdoor service early,
which has resulted in The GOAT losing business to its neighbors.
Councilor Taylor stated that he spoke with Mr. Cohen, who reiterated that Mr. Paul has made the needed
changes, and has been a good neighbor, doing everything he committed to do to rectify the issues that
took place during the pandemic. Councilor Taylor stated that he felt comfortable supporting the lifting of
the restrictions with the hours of operation being midnight on weekdays and 1:00 am on weeknights.
Councilor Worrell asked Mr. Coots to confirm the hours of operation that The GOAT would now adhere
to, which he did. Councilor Worrell stated that he felt comfortable with the response from the neighboring
homeowners, Mr. Cohen and Mrs. Fleck, and that he felt comfortable with the new hours of operation.
Councilor Locke asked Mr. Coots to review how we got into this situation with The GOAT. Mr. Coots
shared that when The GOAT opened, it was taking the place of a previous family café that was only open
until 2:30 p.m. When Mr. Paul was granted the permit to operate The GOAT, it was basically
unrestricted. He invested a great deal to create the establishment, and then the issues came along with the
late-night clientele that were disruptive. This is when city enforcement got involved. After a variance
process did not yield results, Mr. Paul sought a change in zoning, but in order to get the rezone approved,
these commitments were required. Mr. Paul has lived up to all of those commitments. If noise offenses
were to occur again, this could be handled through the Department of Community Services and the
Carmel Police Department. But based on how The GOAT has operated over the last two years, there is no
indication that this will become a problem again. Councilor Worrell asked about what recourse the city
would have should we have bad behaviors again. City Attorney Sergey Grechukhin answered that we
could not revoke their liquor license, but there are many mechanisms the city has, such as the noise
ordinance, general nuisance ordinance, and criminal code. Also, if the DORA ordinance passes, this will
add another layer of regulations. Councilor Minnaar stated that she feels the commitments have been
upheld, and that removing them is a reasonable ask at this time. Councilor Joshi stated that she is glad that
the neighbors of The GOAT have been satisfied with the changes that were made, but she wants to make
sure that this bad behavior does not happen again. She feels that the recourse the city has should satisfy
that. Council Snyder made a motion to suspend the rules to vote on this tonight, Councilor Taylor
seconded. There was no discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for the vote. Motion to suspend
the rules approved 8-0. Councilor Snyder moved to amend the ordinance to include the hours of operation
to be no later than midnight on weekdays and 1:00 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays. Councilor Worrell
seconded. There was no discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for the vote. Motion to amend
approved 8-0. Councilor Snyder thanked everyone for their work on this amendment, as it is important
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that our small businesses are all on the same playing field. Council Vice President Aasen stated that he
was admittedly tough on The GOAT when all of this happened, and the restrictions that were placed were
necessary to mitigate what had been happening. But he gives credit to Kevin Paul for upholding his end of
the bargain and creating a completely different environment at the newly renovated establishment. For the
reasons discussed tonight, he is in support of this amendment. Councilor Taylor moved to approve the
ordinance as amended. Councilor Minnaar seconded. There was no discussion. Council Vice President
Aasen called for the vote. Motion to approve Ordinance Z-692-24 as amended approved 8-0.
Council Vice President Aasen announced the fifteenth reading of Ordinance D-2696-23; An Ordinance
of the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adding Chapter 8, Article 4, Section 8-44 to the
Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Councilor(s) Worrell and Aasen. This remains in the Finance, Utilities and
Rules Committee.
Council Vice President Aasen announced the third reading of Ordinance D-2716-24; An Ordinance of
the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Amending Chapter 5, Article 1, Section 5-3(b)(2) of
the Carmel City Code; Sponsor(s): Worrell, Snyder, Aasen, Ayers and Taylor. This ordinance returned
from the Land Use and Special Studies Committee. Councilor Snyder explained that this ordinance would
lift the ban of alcoholic drinks along the Monon Trail throughout the proposed DORA district, which
would be necessary for the DORA to be instituted. Councilor Snyder then moved to approve the
ordinance. Councilor Ayers seconded. There was no discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for
the vote. Ordinance D-2716-24 approved 6-2.
Council Vice President Aasen announced the third reading of Ordinance D-2718-24; An Ordinance of
the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, establishing a designated outdoor refreshment area;
Sponsor(s): Worrell, Snyder, Aasen, Ayers and Taylor. This returns from the Land Use and Special
Studies Committee with a 3-1 favorable recommendation, with the stipulation that a DORA committee be
established, which will be required to meet a minimum of two times per year. The public may present any
issues of concern to said committee. There will be three appointments from the City Council with one
being a DORA permit holder, two appointments from the Mayor’s office, one appointment from CCPR,
one appointment from CPD (a sworn officer), and one appointment from the Carmel Street Department.
All of the appointees must be Carmel residents. The majority of signage within the DORA will be on the
sidewalk, so as to decrease sign pollution. The hours shall be Friday and Saturday from 11:00 a.m. –
11:00 p.m., Monday through Thursday from 5:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m., and Sunday from 11:00 a.m. to 9:00
p.m. The only exceptions to this would be city-wide events such as CarmelFest, Late Night on Main, etc.
The committee has also recommended a $250 fine to those in violation of the DORA ordinance. The map
was also adjusted to eliminate a small area of residential properties. Lastly, the committee decided that
permittees will use stickers to designate DORA cups. City attorney Sergey Grechuckhin also added that
the Council will have final approval of the stickers and signage design, the BPW will be the local
approving body, and that there are now 12 DORA applicants. He also explained that each business within
the DORA (regardless of whether or not it is a designated DORA permittee) can decide whether or not
they will allow patrons to enter with DORA cups obtained elsewhere. Councilor Taylor voted to amend
the ordinance. Councilor Minnaar seconded. There was no discussion. Council Vice President called for
the vote. Motion to amend approved 8-0.
Councilor Locke asked for a clarification between temporary vendors and designated permittees. He also
asked if this ordinance meant that events such as Gazebo concerts would now require that all alcohol be
purchased within the DORA instead of brought from home, and Mr. Grechukhin answered yes. Mr.
Grechuckhin also recommended that the ordinance be amended to require the legal department to finalize
the DORA map with depictions of where the permittees are located. Councilor Taylor moved to amend
the ordinance to include this requirement. Councilor Snyder seconded. There was no discussion. Council
Vice President Aasen called for the vote. Motion to amend approved 8-0.
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Councilor Joshi stated that she has a hard time supporting an ordinance that takes away a right that the
public used to have, but then telling the public that it won’t be enforced. Councilors Snyder and Aasen
responded that the police will enforce it, but at their own discretion. Councilor Taylor asked if there could
be a work-around for gazebo concerts by requesting the allowance of outside alcohol when the facility use
request comes to the BPW. Mr. Grechuckhin stated that this could not happen, as statute clearly states
that outside alcohol cannot be consumed within the DORA. Councilor Snyder made a motion to approve
the ordinance as amended. Councilor Taylor seconded. There was no further discussion. Council Vice
President called for the vote. Ordinance D-2718-24 approved 7-1.
Council Vice President Aasen announced the second reading of Ordinance D-2719-24; An Ordinance of
the Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing the Issuance of Economic Development
Tax Increment Revenue Bonds to Support the Proscenium III Project, and Authorizing and Approving
Other Actions in Respect Thereto; Sponsor: Aasen. This item remains in the Finance Utilities and Rules
Committee.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Council Vice President Aasen announced the first reading of Ordinance D-2722-24; An Ordinance of the
Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Authorizing and Approving an Additional
Appropriation of Funds from the Operating Balance of the General Fund to the 2024 Department of
Community Services Budget; Sponsor: Councilor Worrell. Councilor Worrell made a motion to
introduce. Councilor Taylor seconded. Councilor Worrell introduced the item into business, explaining
that this is a reimbursement of funds to be moved from the General Fund so that they can be used.
Council Vice President Aasen then opened the public hearing at 7:55:27 p.m. Seeing no one who wished
to address the Council, Councilor Aasen closed the public hearing at 7:55:39 p.m. Councilor Taylor
motioned to suspend the rules and act on this tonight. Councilor Snyder seconded. There was no
discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for the vote. Motion to suspend the rules approved 8-0.
Councilor Minnaar made a motion to approve. Councilor Taylor seconded. There was no discussion.
Motion to approve Ordinance D-2722-24 approved 8-0.
NEW BUSINESS
Council Vice President Aasen announced the first reading of Ordinance D-2724-24; An Ordinance of the
Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Adding Chapter 9, Article 5 Section 9-193 to the
Carmel City Code; Sponsor: Councilor Joshi. Councilor Joshi made a motion to introduce. Councilor
Snyder seconded. Councilor Joshi introduced the item into business. This issue was brought to her
attention by multiple constituents who ran into issues inadvertently cutting through telecom, cable,
coaxial, or fiber optic wires doing simple yard work, such as planting flowers. There is a telecom industry
standard of burying cables a minimum of six inches deep, but the installers being hired are not following
the protocol. This ordinance attempts to regulate installers, contractors and sub-contractors to follow the
correct procedures. Councilor Joshi publicly thanked Councilor Minnaar for her help in working on this
ordinance. Councilor Snyder moved to suspend the rules and act on this tonight. Councilor Minnaar
seconded. There was no discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for the vote. Motion to suspend
the rules approved 8-0. Councilor Joshi moved to approve. Councilor Minnaar seconded. There was no
discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for the vote. Ordinance D-2724-24 approved 8-0.
Council Vice President Aasen announced the first reading of Ordinance D-2725-24; An Ordinance of the
Common Council of the City of Carmel, Indiana, Consenting to Hamilton County, Indiana’s Use of
Allocated Property Tax Proceeds from the 96th Street – U.S. 421 Allocation Area to the Payment of Bonds
or Lease Rentals used for Financing a Public Safety Training Facility; Sponsor: Councilor Taylor.
Councilor Taylor moved to introduce. Councilor Joshi seconded. Councilor Taylor introduced the item
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into business. Carmel Fire Fighter and Hamilton County Councilor Tim Griffin presented the ordinance to
Council, sharing how the training center that will be built with this financing will change the way the
public safety departments of Hamilton County are able to train. Councilor Taylor explained that the TIF
from this allocation area performed far better than was expected, which is how these funds are available to
be used for this purpose. The facility will have approximately 20,000 square feet for fire safety training,
classrooms to hold 250 firefighters and EMT’s, a 4-story fire training burn tower, a 20,000 square foot
police and safety training facility, a tactics training room, a classroom to hold 100 police officers, an
outdoor firing range with upgrades not found at local ranges, and a 14,000 square foot EMA training
facility. This facility will allow cross-training amongst the different public safety responders throughout
the county. The City of Westfield will be donating 110 acres to this project. Noblesville will be waiving
all fees required to design, permit and connect to utilities for this project. Councilor Minnaar voiced her
support for this project. Councilor Locke asked for confirmation that our county fire and police
departments would have first access to this facility and Councilor Griffin confirmed that they would.
Oscar Gutierrez, Municipal Advisor to the Hamilton County Redevelopment Commission, explained the
structure of this Hamilton County TIF, which they are asking to issue debt against. Councilor Worrell
stated that it would be an honor to vote yes on this. Councilors Snyder and Joshi also voiced their support
for this ordinance. Mayor Sue Finkam also voiced her support of this project, and her thanks to this
current Hamilton County Council, and to all of the county’s fire and police departments for their support.
Councilor Snyder moved to suspend the rules and vote on this tonight. Councilor Taylor seconded. There
was no discussion. Council Vice President Aasen called for the vote. Motion to suspend the rules
approved 8-0. Councilor Minnaar moved to approve, Councilor Joshi seconded. There was no discussion.
Council President Aasen called for the vote. Ordinance D-2725-24 approved 8-0.
AGENDA ADD-ONS
There were none.
OTHER BUSINESS
There was none.
ANNOUNCEMENTS
There were none.
ADJOURNMENT
Council Vice President Aasen adjourned the meeting at 8:29 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
_______________________________
Jacob Quinn, Clerk
Approved,
ATTEST: _______________________________
Anthony Green, Council President
_______________________________
Jacob Quinn, Clerk
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