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Home My WebLink AboutCRC-08-29-03 " CRG:Mee'ing. Friday, August 29. 2003 CARMEL REDEVELO~MENTCOI\lIMISSION l\'teetihg Friday,AuglIst29,8:00 a.m, The meeting'was, called to order'at'S:OOa,m. I,y President-Ed Burke, Commission lnember~ present were John Kbven:Ran Cilrt~r, Bob"BattreaJl, and Rick SIi;trp constituting a quorum.,Alsopresenuwere KarLHaas, Steve Engeii<ing, Josepl\ Scimia, ,NcH"manl)ibler, Mary Ann Burke, N()rmRundJe, Wayne Wilson, Judy Hagan, Kate Weese,Mike,Holiibm~gl\ and LallTence Lillig,Sllerry Midke as staffsi.:l]jporL GiIIUltc Contract ,Mn,Engd){ing,distributcd:'a letter from GiIliatte stating their proposal fa'r eonstruction. managemen,~ services fOI: the CRC's port,iQn,of Shapiro;s)'hiise,1J Projec;t. They are .proposing"af; ve, percent fee Otl theValuebf the ,'tbnstmction pius reimbursables., Their monthly general contlition cost is esti mated,to be, approximately $15 ,000 plus fee. There will be ito precc6nstrueti6n estimating t6,stsi)~Cml~e that work has ,.;ilrdll;!y' been d,6n~ by ,CSO . .' c." " The onfyotherthingthaHs not'setllect yetis the $15'.000 general conditions cost which:is still beiiig:negotiaied with the contractor. . , Mr. Oldswould like'the CRC to 'consider amotionro approve.tlle'5%land cond itian 'the. approval atithprify fo[tl1e.pre,sident [o,ft)1e C,Rc:J to ~,ign 911'YOll]',belmlf on a.successful negotiation of;sornething'nogreaterthnn $01 5,000 and probably less, Discussion f6ilowed, Estimated three to four months fOf,constrlJCtion.'wititefc6nditions mightinten1lpt the'construction. If:tl1is is the,case, the costs wiil b~,stlspend;dd~ll'lhg 'this Ji[lle. . Mr. I!mtreall mQ'CCd.,(hc CRC:,approvc;the construction ,management proposal suggeste~ by Mi".Olds [as,stated bji,M1'.,Engelkingj. F6116V{iilg;'a'secoflo by JyI(Sharp"the' tnQtion was unanimollsly approved. CiarianA2reement M;r. I-Ia~s'brought the CRC IIp-to-date,on t1le'Clarian issue. A nuniber o(iheexhibits,are absolutely corl1plete now. Ms, Weese is satisfied witJ1.the exhibits'atter meeting \Iiith ACFand Clari'an: The EDA.is.ready for'lPpmva1. Mr.,Koven stated thecagreement'needed to ,betaken "off'tbe table"'to De.,discussed.. M1'. Sharp,movect"the Claria~agreement:be taken;,from"the table and opened JiJr, discussion. F6110\ying a second byMr: Ko,ven the motiOllwas ;,lpproyed:with thf"ee in favor. ML ,Carterand,Mr.'i:~allreaJl abstaihed. . ' Mr, 'sharp, moved the eRe: approve tl\eeClanan.EDA. Seconded by Mr.'Koven. .DisCU5SiOli followed/ - CRC Meeting, F,iduy. AugUSl29, 2903 > 'Mr, Haas: UnderA.O,5;qarian has.agreedthatifinbecomes non'tilxable, either infliIl qr ,in part, that,for a period,of\62 years; Clarian will:continlJe JO ma~e payments as though' the property were, t<ix;]ble,at,the rate and.forthe value that wouid have' b~et\ a8se~,sed'had the propertY'not,beconie ta~able, Mr. Ha'ls,:in res'pOIis';l,toa question fromMr. Carler: The:payment,agreemenJ'iiself i~ ript complete. II is contemplated t1feagreem~hts\)l1t\ih.ed in,t1)e,s.e seciiQns of Article 4 willbe co'mpletcd pefore th~ bonds are,;ssued, This agreement is'desi'gned to be,an'over.arching descriprionoftlje ,?bligations of the Parties, Then there isapobligadon toenter,:into tllesc ilgfeemcn\s, Mr. Carter asked who the payments' are made, to, exptessinga ,concern thal'the',other laxing' units Jtown~hip,'library, park board] are being:"shut ~Ue'. Mr., Haa~:.This,specifies;that payments'willbe made to the,Ghy, Mt", ('arter: So basically Clarian cloesn'thaveto pay taxes'~Uhat point 10 any oJ the other taxing uni~s? Mr, Haas: There wouldh'lbeiany taxes to be paid because Glarian WOldd be n6h-ta;(able., .. - '." - "'-,- " lunderstand,yourquestiol\. It's withirith,e~C:ontrol oLthe City. Thel'e;sa paymenbmade to the.Cityand the. City can decide how to. allocate that There aIe,nolimitaricms in.'this agreemenra's ~o wllat can ,be d()ne with the.money. Mr. ;')harp: Hu,(this,orily comes into play,ifthercwere.ti).he:no taxespaid"to iijlyb'oqy ih theofirstplace: Mr, Haas iil,respol)se to a q!lestiori frotnMr..Battrcall: The,amount of tlletaxe~~ would,be based. on the entire taxing'tll1its..as if they were fu lI)1'tax.<ib Ie at ,\charever"tax rate. would be applicable at the ti'nle, Mr. Carter: Then:iet'sspecify that in here. Mr. Shaw"Thedifrtcult'decisionciswhether to;fty'to 'Year a"planhing'ha't" OF an "econotnic,.developmerilhat:" Were}wearing a'planning hat" l' mno.t.surelhis' proJect, wOllld be befor-e'us today because I don'tthi'iik l[1ePlan CommissioJl did.its best'work there. BuHhat struggle is overwiti1; thisbcidy is'not'het\,)omaklO'a plariiiing".decision; we'rehcre'!b make an eCOT1gmicdedision. Since,the,projecf.has lieenmoved forWard l:iy the bodies that.are in.char,ge of pla'nnihg,J.think r rnaJ601 if'we,olissedcapturing.this' . u' -, .I - < re\'enl)e fbrtbe project uses wecan.'put.itto wllich then. reduces the bitrClen on tI,e citize,ns o{CarmeL So I'm'teady'to v,ote, Mr:, Garter: I' ve.said,alr,Zliong that tljis,proje(;(,is,not.an.appropriate,economic devclopmeni.move for'lhe community, I:lOm the standPoint o'f ful,fil!ihgwhatwe sce,as .the eCOnornic pron!jseo'fih~ M",ridian corria~r, this. ismot&oingto Mth1lt, NothiIlg of substance has clevelopeo'ato!lnd .it and tl1ere'.s g'ot ro'bt;.a reason. why. l,tliink'we can 2 , CRC Meeling. Fridny, AuguS! 29, 2003 understand that. The area around St. Vincent's Hospital, 86th Street, is not remaining an economically viable area, especially from an office development standpoint. From the standpoint of this being an appropriate planning acti'vity for the community, that was met. As far as its being an appropriate economic situation for the community, this has got so many flaws that [inaudible], I'm prepared to vote on iL There are other ways we can go about this. Mr. Battreall: J just disagree with you, Rick, from the fact for us to go ahead and okay it when we feel like it's a faulty planning area and may not go back and'become a good planning area, I'd rather see it go back and become a good economic development package which I don '( think this is because,of the outlying'area. To turn around and basically enhance what they have done, which I think is a botched deal, I don't feel [inaudible] Mr. Sharp: We may just have to agree to disagree. The deal's done. It's been approved unless something happens along the line to withdraw it. This agreement has no affect on saying it's a go for the project. The project is a go. If it's going to go, do we capture the revenue in a TJp'and use it for improvements'we need anyway? That's where my decision is corriingdown, The rest of it we could probably find ourselves in agreement OIL Mr. Carter: It's certainly not like anyone else who went there or would have gone there would not have paid us the type of dollars we're looking for to do the same projects, Jt;s not as if this is the only game [inaudible], " Call for the question, The vote was three in favor. Mr. Carter and Mr, Battreall opposed, Other Matters None Next Meeting ,There is a public.hearing on September 15,6 p,m. in the Caucus Rooms. Next regular meeting will be Tuesday, September 16,6:30 p.m. Ad iournillent Mr. Sharp moved the meeting be adjourned, Following a second by Mr, Koven, the motion was unanimously approvec! and the meeting was adjoumed at 8:22a,m, 3