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CARMEL/CLAY TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
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April 17 , 2002
Laurence Lillig - DOCS
Brian Hanson -DOCS
Gary Hoyt - Carmel Fire Dept.
Chuck Shupperd - Vectren Energy
Phil Bennett - Carmel Parks
Bill Akers - Communications
Mike McBride - Carmel Engineer.
Jim Blanchard - Carmel Bldg. Dept.
Jon Dobosiewicz - Carmel DOCS
Tom Skolak - Carmel Postmaster
Steve Broermann - Ham.Co.Highway
Sharon Prater - Panhandle Eastern
Dean Groves - CinergyfPSI
Dick Hill- Carmel Engineering
John South - Ham. Co. Soil & Water
Steve Cash - Ham. Co. Surveyor's
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St. Peter's Church, parking lot expansion (Development Plan Amendment)
The applicant seeks approval to expand their parking area and make site drainage
modifications,
The site is located at 3106 East Cannel Drive. The site is zoned R-lIResidence.
Filed by David R. Barnes of Weihe Engineers for St. Peter's United Church of Christ.
David Barnes and Corrie Meyer presented the case. This is an application for two phases
of a proposed parking lot located at the comer of Keystone Avenue and Carmel Drive.
Plans have been distributed to TAC members; some responses have been received.
Tom Skolak had no comments.
Dick H1ll will write comments, He inquired about the time line. The church addition
will not be done for a couple of years. The parking lot will be done now. On sheet 2, the
dark rectangle at northeast comer is a shed. Dave Bames believes there will be a play
area there too. The Keystone right of way lines should be labeled. The Carmel Drive
right of way lines should be labeled and dimensions noted. The 20-year Thoroughfare
Plan calls for a 40-foot right of way. This has not changed since the November 1999
Thoroughfare Plan. A 10- foot multi use path is required. Mr. Hill stated when the
entrance is redone; the path should travel east to take pedestrians out to Keystone
Avenue. There is a sidewalk on the east side that stops at the entrance. Laurence Lillig
checked the half right of way. It is 45 feet. Jon Dobosiewicz asked the petitioner to
depress the curb to accommodate the path but to not install the path to Keystone. There
is no way to cross at this time. The path should be installed from the driveway east. The
street on the south side of Cannel Drive needs to be identified. Corrie Meyer responded
that trees do exist over the outlet pipe. A storm sewer is also there. lfthe stann sewer is
removed, one small tree will be lost. Mr. Bames stated the trees exist, but it will be set
between the trees. On the original set of drawings on sheet 4 of the landscape plan, there
are trees in the emergency spillway of the detention pond. Dave Barnes will check this.
He needs to provide elevations of the concrete swale. The relocated Cannel Drive widths
are needed along with traffic directional arrows. The @pposing left lanes should be
aligned. The standard length for collector street acce1lanes is a 100 taper. The dece1
lane should be 100 feet with a 100-foot taper. The width for both is 12 feet Mr. Hill
requested a right of way pavement section for that part of the entrance. The standard 1S
1.5, 4, and 9 for collector streets. The Utility Department will decide if there is additional
sewer and water. A commercial curb cut approval is needed for the relocated entrance.
A temporary construction entrance plan is needed for the Board of Public Works. A
consent to encroach agreement is required for any pemlanent improvement in the right of
way. Bonding will be required. Dick Hill will write a follow up letter.
Gary Hoyt will write a letter. He understands the left turn lane of the church entrance
will be moved directly across from left turn lane (Waterford Lane) oftlle subdivision.
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Steve Cash stated no County drains are affected by this project. He will defer to the City
Engineer.
Bill Akers bad no comments.
John South wrote a letter. The erosion control plan can be improved with inlet
protection. Mr. Barnes should call with questions. An updated plan was distributed.
Dean Groves has some maj or concems. On sheet three, a detention pond is shown
around a switchgear in the southwest comer. There is a power cable along the north side
of East Carmel Drive. A potential problem exists if excavating is done there. The
Cinergy mapping system was nonexistent when this was installed.
Jon Dobosiewicz understands Mr. Bames will file the ADLS application soon. A
lighting plan is needed. There is no maximum height requirement in the 431 Overlay.
Mr. Lillig requested that poles not be taller than 24 feet and flat lenses screen the
highway. The ADLS application will go to committee only. May 14th is the next
meeting date. Mr. Barnes said he is able to file the application for landscaping and
lighting. Laurence Lillig said Engineering would supply dedication forms. The property
line runs down the center of the site. There are two parcels and two deeds. The church
holds ownership of both. Laurence Lillig is concemed that setbacks are from the lot line.
The petitioner should combine two tracts into a single parcel while they are dedicating
the right of way. The deed search shows no access easement to the north. There is an
existing ground sign at the comer of Keystone Avenue and Carmel Drive. The drainage
proposed along Keystone seems to affect that sign. Mr. Lillig wants to know where it
will be located and how will it affect the topo. Several existing trees will be affected.
The site landscape plans seems to show that all trees will remain. Mr. Lillig needs to
know how this will be accomplished. Scott Brewer will comment on landscaping in his
letter.
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