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CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
THURSDA Y, NOVEMBER 1, 2007
Minutes
The Special Studies Committee of the CarmeL Plan Commission met at 6:00 PM November 1,2007
in the Caucus Rooms at City Hall, Carmel, Indiana.
Members Present: Wayne Haney, Kevin Heber, Steve Stromquist, Madeleine Torres, Susan
Westermeier.
DOCS Staff in attendance: Alexia Donahue-Wold, Rachel Boone. John Molitor, Legal Counsel
was also present.
Alexia Donahue-Wold announced that items 8 and 9, Docket No. 07070003 Z, (Rezone) 146th &
Gray Rezone (146th St Office Complex) and Docket No. 07070004 PP, (Primary Plat) l46th St
Office Complex were TABLED to November 29, 2007. Pro-Med Lane Holiday Inn, Docket
07030035 DP, and 07070009 ADLS, will be heard together.
The Special Studies Committee considered the following items:
1. Docket No. 07090016 ADLS Amend: Vine and Table - Signage
The applicant seeks approval for a new ground and wall sign. The site is located at 313 E Carmel
Dr. It is zoned B-8!Business. Filed by Mike Oswald of Sign Craft Industries.
Mike Oswald, Sign Craft Industries, 8924 Corporation Drive, agent for Vine and Table appeared before
the Committee. The petitioner is proposing a new ground sign and wall sign located at Kahn's Fine
Wines, 313 East Cannel Drive, Cannel.
Department Comments, Rachel Boone: The ground sign will be six feet tall, 32 square feet in area,
internally illuminated.
Mike Oswald further explained that the sign will be two sides, and the sign edge will be blue. The Vine
and Table letters (changeable copy) will come through as red, the logo will also be coLor: the white will
show through as black.
Rachel Boone said that the wall sign will be 65 square feet in area, individual channel lit letters, and the
canopy of the store will be light brown-one consistent color. Both the Wall and the Ground Sign fit
within the requirements of the Ordinance.
Committee:
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Michael Barnes, Ryne Wood Builders, 400 West McGallillrd Road, Muncie, appeared before the
Committee. Also in attendance: Andy Batt, Crystal Flash.
The petitioner is requesting consideration to allow white.on the comer of the canopy with the gold slash.
The petitioner would like to have lettering on the canopy, but understands that the Department will not
support that request.
Regarding the ground signs, the petitioner is using a ground sign that is 5.2" wide by 6 feet in height.
The sign will be illuminated with changeable letters for pricing. An additional sign will be located above
the front door under the canopy arid will consist of the Crystal Flash logo.
A photograph was shown of the newly renovated Crystal Flash store in Fishers.
The pump signage is considered incidental signs.
Department Comments, Rachel Boone: Crystal Flash has one frontage on Range Line and is allowed
one sign. The signs along the tops of the canopy would need a variance-the Department feels it is not
necessary to have those signs, however, the Dept is in support of the color change-red, white and gold.
There is a previous variance for the ground sign to be located in the right-of-way and the price sign. That
variance gives the petitioner two signs.
The ground sign and the wall sign above the entrance combined are under the amount allotted. The
petitioner has agreed to remove the second ground sign "CF" and consolidate into one ground sign and
the other above the entrance at 18 feet. The sign above each gas pump is under three square feet and
similar in character to other gas stations on Range Line Road. The Department has no problem with the
red and white on the canopy.
One of the pumps is imaged for Ethanol 85 (E-85) and that will not be changed. The other five pumps
are being converted to a new image by putting on an aluminum composite face-the existing pumps look
dated.
The tenant panel would require a variance for its sign. If requested in the future, the petitioner would
return for a second sign at the approval of the tenant. Currently, Firehouse Pizza is located in the
building and has a separate entrance; they have a sign in their window.
Madeleine Torres made formal motion for approval of Docket No. 07100030 ADLS Amend, Crystal
Flash Signage, with the understanding that the tenant panel would pertain only to Crystal Flash and only
on the wall with another tenant .sign; the canopy allows the yellow slash-no wording on the comer,
seconded by Wayne Haney, APPROVED 5~O.
7. Docket No. 07100031 ADLS Amend: Timber Creek Condominiums -Signagc
The applicant seeks approval for 2 new ground signs after the demolition of their ex.isting signs
with the construction of City Center Dr. The site is located at City Center Dr. and Timber Creek
Dr. It is zoned M-3. Filed by Ron Koster and Joe Apparito of Timber Creek HOA.
Ron Coster, 1076 Timber Creek Drive, President of Timber Creek HOA, and Sandy Weedman,
Secretary-Treasurer of Timber Creek ROA appeared before the Committee representing the applicant.
The request is for the replacement of signs after the demolition of their existing signs by the City. The
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new signs will be etched limestone and will say "Timber Creek Condominiums." The lighting will be
up-graded-f1uorescent lighting to light the sign itself, and mushroom-type lights around the landscaping.
The signage basically replaces the previously existing. The sign would be set lower to improve visibility.
Department Comments, Rachel Boone: The Subdivision is allowed to have a 54 square-foot
sign, and this has been evenly splil Qetween two signs at the one entrance, one on either side of
the masonry entrance limestone sign; the signs are etched with black letters "Timber Creek
Condominiums." The Department has no concerns with the signs and recommends favorable
consideration.
Madeleine Torres made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07100031 ADLS Amend,
Timber Creek Condominiums Signagc as presented, seconded by Susan Westermeier,
APPROVED 5-0.
8. TABLED: Docket No. 07070003 Z: 146th & Gray Rezone (146th St Office Complex)
The applicant seeks approval to rezone 11.6 acres from S-I/Residence to B-I/Business
for an office/retail development. The site is located at the southeast corner of 146th St. and
Gray Rd Filed by Kelli Lawrence of Hearthview Residential, LLC.
9. TABLED: Docket No. 07070004 PP: 146th St Office Complex
The applicant seeks primary plat approval for 5 lots on 11.6 acres. The site is located nt the
southeast comer of 146th St. and Gray Rd. and is zoned S-llResidence, pendi ng a B-I/
Business rezone. Filed by Kelli Lawrence of Hearth view Residential, LLC
10. Docket No. 07030035 DP:Pro-Med Lane - Holiday Inn
The applicant seeks site plan approval for a proposed full-service hotel. ADLS is under another
docket no. below. The site is located at 136th Street and Pro-Med Lane, and is zoned B-
6/Business within the US 31/Meridian Street Overlay. Filed by Stacey of DeBoy Land
Development Services, Inc. for Justus Home Builders, Inc.
11. Docket No. 07070009 ADLS: Holiday Inn at Pro Med Ln
The applicant seeks architecture/design approval for a proposed full-service hotel. The site is
located at t 36th Street and Pro Med Lane, and is zoned B6, within the US 31IMeridian Street
Overlay. Filed by Dave Coots of Coots, Henke & Wheeler for Midwest Hospitality Group, Inc.
Note: Items 10 and 11 were heard together.
Dave Coots, Coots, Henke & Wheeler appeared before the Committee on behalf of the petitioner. Also
in attendance: Mike DeBoy, Engineer, and Sanjay Patel. Certain changes have been made to the site
plan. Initially, the site was underparked-parking is now provided beneath the structure to meet the
limitation on lot coverage; 153 spaces are required per the Ordinance and parking is provided for hotel
convention and employees.
Comments were received from Scott Brewer, Urban Forester, and the petitioner believes he has complied
with the changes requested. There are sti II some changes to be made to the drawings and submitted to
the Department. The biggest issue has been the tree preservation requirement for this site; 24% of the
overall site is tree preservation area. Scott had additional questions regarding how utilities were being
accommodated with the tree material being used and the tree preservation area as designated. Dave
Coots said he believes all of those issues and questions have been addressed.
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