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Home My WebLink AboutMinutes SpecStdy 11-01-07 .CO City of Carmel CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 1,2007 Minutes The Special Studies Committee of the Carmel Plan Commission met at 6:00 PM November 1,2007 in the Caucus Rooms at City Hail, Carmel, Indiana. Members Present: Wayne Haney, Kevin Heber, Steve Stromquist, Madeleine Torres, Susan Westermeier. DOCS Staff in attendance: Alexia Donahue-Wold, Rachel Boone. John Molitor,L.egal Counsel was also present. Alexia Donahue-Wold announced that items 8 and 9, Docket No. 07070003 Z, (Rezone) 146th & Gray Rezone (146th St Office Complex) and Docket No. 07070004 PP, (Primary Plat) 146th St Office Complex were TABLED to November 29, 2007. Pro-Med Lane Holiday Inn, Docket 07030035 DP, and 07070009 ADLS, will be heard together. The Special Studies Committee considered the following items: 1. Docket No. 07090016 ADLS Amend: Vine and Table - Signage The applicant seeks approval for a new ground and wall sign. The site is located at 313 E Carmel Dr. It is zoned B-8/Business. Filed by Mike Oswald of Sign Craft [ndustries. Mike Oswald, Sign Craft Industries, 8924 Corporation Drive, agent for Vine and Table appeared before the Committee. The petitioner is proposing a new ground sign and wall sign located at Kahn's Fine Wines, 313 East Carmel Drive, Carmel. Department Comments, Rachel Boone: The ground sign will be six feet tall, 32 square feet in area, internally illuminated. Mike Oswald further explained that the sign will be two sides, and the sign edge will be blue. The Vine and Table letters (changeable copy) will come through as red, the logo will also be color; the white will show through as black. Rachel Boone said that the wall sign will be 65 square feet in area, individual channel lit letters, and the canopy of the store will be light brown-one consistent color. Both the Wall and the Ground Sign fit within the requirements of the, Ordinance. Committee: S: /PlanCommi,sion!l\Iillutesl Committees /SpecSmdies/SS-2007 1 nov01 ONE CIYIC SQU{\RE CAR'\1EL, INDL\.N.\ 'l6032 317 1571-2417 Jim Shinaver, attorney with Nelson and Frankenberger appeared before the Committee. Also in attendance: Paul Pettenaro, owner and operator of World Wide Motors-now franchisee for S mart Car, and Mark Tworek, Baxter & Sett. The application is for four (4) new signs. The first sign is on the eastern elevation for "Smart Center Indianapolis" wall sign located on the entry portal facing 96t11 Street. The sign will consist of 14.54 square feet, and will be internally illuminated with individual channel letters, white faces. The sign will be white during the day and night. The second sign is a small directional sign facing Lake Shore Drive, consisting of 13.6 square feet. The total square footage allowed for directory signs is 20; the total square footage allowed for this frontage is 80; the total square footage is 48. t I. The sign is white with black lettering and will be internally illuminated. The third sign wi II be farther down Lake Shore Dri ve for a second tenant-the Mercedes Benz Used Car Dealership. The sign will be 74.58 square feet in size and will read: "Used Car Center." The sign will consist of a black background with white letters, internally illuminated. The fourth sign will face Lake Shore Dri ve and is for "Service" customers of the Smart Car Dealershi p. The sign is approximately 2.06 square feet in size and is considered an incidental sign because it is less than three square feet; therefore no permit or variance will be required. The sign will be internally illuminated channel letters, white during the day and night. Department Comments, Rachel Boone: Three signs need approval: Smart Center Indianapolis, the directional sign, and the Used Car Center signs. All three signs are within the size requirement of the Sign Ordinance for each fa'!;ade. The petitioner received Variance approval last week for two signs to face 96th Street and two signs to face Lake Shore Drive, The Smart Center Indianapolis sign is 42 square feet facing Lake Shore Drive-48 square feet combined. The Used Car Center square footage and color style fit for the second tenant. The Department is recommending positive consideration. Committee Comments: Susan Westermeier questioned the color for the Used Car Center sign. Jim Shinaver responded that the sign is black background, white letters. The signs are conslstent with those signs previously approved, made in Canada. The petitioner is under an intense deadline to open for business and be able to sell products by the first week in January, 2008. Madeleine Torres made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07100014 ADLS Amend, Smart Car Ph. U Signage, seconded by Wayne Haney, APPROVED 5-0. 4. Docket No, 07100015' ADLS Amend: Carmel St~tion -Bignage The applicant seeks approval for I new ground sign. The site is located at the corner of City Center Dr. and Carmel Garden Dr. It is zoned M-3/Manufacturing. Filed by Fred Todd of the Carmel Station Home Owners Association. Fred Todd, 510 Beacon Street, President of Carmel Station HOA appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. Carmel Station is proposing one new ground sign to be located on City Center Drive and Carmel Garden Drive. Currently there is a sign on either side of a divided entry with a S:/PlanCornmission/1[inutes/ COffimittees/SpecStudies/SS-2007 / novO 1 3 ONE CT\lC SQUARE C\Ri\,ffiL, TNDL~"L\ 46032 317/571-2417 .- brick flower box. A sign is being proposed at the opposite end of the property, the north entrance, where there is currently no identity; the sign would be within the common area. The sign would be limestone, black lettering-same logo, same configuration, except that the spikes would be eliminated and would be much safer for children Department Comments, Rachel Boone: The sign Ordinance permits subdivisions to have one sign at each entry. The sign will be retro-fitted, and the limestone with the black lettering will look good. The sign being proposed in approximately 17 square feet and meets the requirements of the Ordinance. At this time, the Department is recommending positive consideration. There is a sign on either side of the entry on Clark Street, and one proposed on Garden Center. This same structure will be repl icated at the second entry. Committee Members: The Committee suggested covering the top of the stakes on the existing sign with a black, split garden hose for safety. Madeleine Torres suggested changing the top of the sign to arch ralher than being straight across. Susan Westermeier made formal motion to approve Docket No. 07100015 ADLS Amend, Carmel Station-Signage with the top of the proposed sign arching to match the existing signs, seconded by Madeleine Torres, APPROVED 5-0. S. Docket No. 07100017 ADLS Amend: Citi Smith Barney - Signage The applicant seeks approval for I new wall sign. The site is located at 800 E. 96th SI. in Parkwood Crossing East. It is zoned PUD. Filed by Kay Goldsberry of Visual Sign Co. Kay Goldsberry, Visual Sign Co., 40 I South Alabama, Indianapolis 46204 appeared before the Committee. The proposed new wall sign wi II be located on the east fa9ade of the building; the letters will be black in the day, illuminated white at night. The size of the sign will increase to 57.64 square feet; 60 feet is allowed. The "Citi" logo is being added. Department Comments. Rachel Boone: Previously, a variance was granted to allow this sign at this particular placement on the building. The new wall sign will be completely black during the day and white at night. The sign fits within the requirements of the Ordinance and the architectural features of the building. The sign also meets the PUD requirements. At this time, the Department is recommending positi ve consideration. Committee Comments: Color: The letters will be black during the day and white at night-required by Duke as a part of the Center. The "Citi" logo will not be red. Madeleine Torres made formal motion 10 approve Docket No.. 07100017 ADLS Amend, Citi Smith Barney-Signage, seconded by Wayne Haney, APPROVED 5-0. 6. Docket No. 07100030 ADLS Amend: Crystal Flash - Signage The applicant seeks approval for a remodel of the gas station with 4 new signs. The site is located at 545 S. Rangeline Rd. and is located in the Carmel Dr.fRangeline Rd. overlay zone. It is zoned B-1. Filed by Michael Bames of Ryne Wood Builders, Inc. 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