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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes Sub 09-04-07 (.:. -,-.. September 4, 2007 Plan Commission Subdivision Committee Minutes maximum footprint. This would be carried into the natural area, but without restrictions on having a building face the Monon. The fayade set back is set at 12 ft. - Carol proposed 20 ft. C2 should be limited to 42 ft. At the AMLI building atMain and,Monon it is just over 40 ft. and 3 stories. Carol feels this is an awful building. This is just a point ofreference - 42 ft. is ample on the greenway 19 John Molitor suggested that the department take aIlther look at the building height and see if 42 ft. is too tall-Carol thinks it should be 2 stories . This docket item will be continued to the October 2nd meetil1g. 8. \'pock~fNQ..Q7V2QQ2'O: ()~.: US 31_&J2'1 (h'e'rlay Av~~cl~rr~l-J?e~i-gn::-A1ii.4tn~i1fj The applicant seeks to Amel)d the Zoning Ordinance, Chapfer 231T-:OS Highway 31 Corridor Overlay Zone and Chapter 23C: US Highway 421 - Michigan Road Corridor Overlay Zone, in order to amend the Architectural Design Requirements. Filed by the Carmel Department of Community Services. Adrienne Keeling presented for the Deparbnent. The latest ordinance is dated August 24, 2005. Similar to the last docket anything in this version that is highlighted in yellow represent changes made since the last Committee meeting. Adrienne began with page I, no additional changes. Carol questioned about exhibits, the items that will go in Chapter 24, yet we talk about site plans renderings and so forth as requirements, do these things come out These would be special to the overlay. Anything listed ih this chapter would be special to the overlay, and then anything in Chapter 24 would be general requirements for everything. Carol asked about fencing - Carol showed a visual of a fence at Clay Terrace, she noted that it is sagging;. Can we change fence requirements to be 26 ft. a unit of the metal fencing instead of 6 feet? Discussion was held relative to any requirements for the replacement and/or maintenance of cedar fences. All fences shall be properly maintained and repaired as necessary. Carol stated that if folks thought they needed to replace their fence every 10 years, they may go for a more maintenance free type of fence. Rick Ripma stated that if the intention of the fence is block view, a metal fence would not be serviceable. Carol indicated you would have to have landscaping with it, are there any metal fences that you can't see through. John Molitor indicated that thls would require a person to be hired to enforce the fence maintenance. It wasdetertnined thiswould not be feasible solution. Discussion went on to discuss SR 421. Sally Shapiro brought up jUs required along 421 between the out lot and the road itself that there should be two rows of trees, has that been forgotten? Two rows oftrees - Adrienne indicated that there is a 30 ft. green belt buffer requirement in that overlay and then on top of that if there are parking lots involved there is parking lot perimeter landscaping required, but there is not anythingjn there that would require that the planting be in two rows. It may be that was how it ended up. Sally - the northern end near Weston Pointe it is pretty sparse on trees up there and they are still doing their out lots. John Molitor reviewed the ordinance - it does not require two rows of trees, it may appear that way due to the number of plantings that are required. Carol discussed how when Kohl's and Home Depot came in it was not possible to screen enough to help the people out who had to look at that, so she is proposing the step back. How can we get a very Page 14 of 16 ONE crVIC SQUARE CARMEL, INDIAJ-.JA 46032 317/571-2417 " September4,2007 Plan Commission Subdivision Committee Minutes large building with a flat fayade tohelp conceal~ i.e., larger trees, fence, ifit is stepped- don't know-what to do. We do have a footprint of 85,000 sq. ft. ,Adrienne asked from what tolerance for visible from the residence. Is it visible from ,an upstairs window, is it visible from the street, from the property line. Caro~ stated upstairs is fair game, but if it is visible from a living room. Building heights for proposed buildings that are vi~ible from the first floor residential neighbors shall be nO,more that 1 Y2. stories or 18 ft. high on the elevation nearest the residential neighborhood, but may step up one additional story every 25 ft. It should also say ifthesite'1ines, if the back of the building is visible from the residential area. Adrienne, is a , step 'in the building going to do anything? Sally - we require cornices, brickwork - you require detailing on all sides. Maybe we need a story is generally is usually 10ft. . Adrielme you are not opposed to the height ofthe building, it is just the design. A one story screen would work also, if we could get mature enough plantings, so that all you see is the top half. Adrienne - Carol- will come up with a draft for Adrienne - from what you drafted originally, I thought yourproblem was with building height and if you, are just trying to variation of the fayade in particular in the back portion. On the elevation facing the residential neighborhood. Discussion was held regarding the how high the buildings should be allowed to go. Also, neighboring areas, i.e., Pearson Ford were discussed and what their zoning is - we should have a maximum height- what is the medical building 3 stories - Adrienne will check plans and get height ~ we would not to prohibit this type of building, need to put in a transition between commercial and residential. Building height max should be match medical building. Adrienne please keep in mind that plan commission packets go out on Friday - it is a challenge. If the committee if we send this on with the Department Report. Building heights for the proposed buildings that are visible from a residential neighborhoods shall be no more than 1 story high on the elevation nearest to the residential area, but may step up an additional story for every 20 J1. inward. Carol under "K" suitability of building materials. Mike wants to hold off on the white LEED controls, Carol asked ifLE.EID will be coming out in its own package. Adrienne indicated that the Department is working on overall polic.ies right now, City wide that no only deal with private construction, but with City policies. Weare trying to get those in order and from there, and then choosing things that will apply to the zoning ordinance in general. We don't know yet if it is going to be - it-may be a Green Chapter or amendments to include items we want. Carol - we are calling out red brick - what is the difference between calling for red brick and asking for a white roof? Adrienne will make sure to carry over the fence requirements to this also. Green space? This would be with LEED policies. Regarding hotels - we have looked into and we can take care of in the Chap. 31. In the US 31 Overlay that calls out retail uses, and in the past we have applied that to mean restaurants, any kind of retaiL However, it could be argued that our use table having restaurants and other uses not under the retail category. Restaurants fall under the cultural and entertaimuent uses. We have not had the problem before. Jo1m M. is there a problem with hotel. Hotels area separate use category - full service hotels are not excluded [Tom the overlay. Ifwe want to change Chap. 31, which has already been advertised for hearing, the Department would not be comfortable - we can do that - Plan commission must see it. Anything that affects the September 4, 2007 Plan Commission Subdivision Committee Minutes .f:" zoning ordinance must go through the Plan commission. It needs to be dealt with it at the Plan Commission level. Carol Schleif made a motion to approve Docket 07020020 OA US 31 and US 421 Architectural Design Amendments. With the following conditions: Under US 31 Perimeter fence columns will be changed to 26 ft on center. Under US 421 changes include fence requirements the same as US 31; under building height will include maximum 3 story building height for the overlay; wording to the effect of Bui'lding heights for the proposed buildings that are visible from a residential neighborhoods shan be no more than 1 story high on the elevation nearest to the residential area, but may step up an additional story for every 20 ft. inward or first structural bay which ever is greater. Sally Shapiro seconded the motion. Approved 3-0 0.. 9. TABLED T0~OCT. 2: Docket No. 07010008 Z: 116th & Guilford Rezone The applicant)eeks to rozone approximately 9.5 acres from I l/fudustrial to R 1/Resi~e~ce. The. sife~'S:'l~d1t 1411 8. Guilford Rd. Filod by the Carmel Dept. of C01111fiumty 8ef'.'lCCS. Sally Shapiro motioned >@jadjoum the meeting Carol Schleifsecondedjtlle motion. Meeting adjourned at tes p.m. son FIle'SUB-2007-0904.doc Pagel6of16 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CAfu\1EL, INDIANA 46032 317 /571~2417