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CARl\'1EL PLAN COMMISSION
SEPTEMBER 18, 2007
Minutes
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Cannel Plan Commission met at 6:00 PM in the Council
Chambers of City Hall, Cannel, Indiana. The meeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance.
Members present: Leo Dierckman, Jay Donnan, Kevin Heber, Rick Ripma, Carol Schleif, Eric
Seidensticker, Sally Shapiro, Madeleine Torres, thereby establishing a quomm.
Department of Community Services Staff in attendance: Angie Conn, Michael Hollibaugh, Adrienne
Keeling. John Molitor, Legal Counsel was also present.
The minutes ofthe August 21, 2007 meeting were approved as submitted.
G. Reports, Announcements, & Department Concerns
Angie COlm announced that the following items have been tabled for this evening and will be heard
at the October 16, 2007 meeting: Item 4h, Dixie Highway Addition Rezone at 10696 College
Avenue, and Items 5h and 6h, 531 South Guilford Road (Kousa Street Cottages.)
Also, the Rules of Procedure would have to be suspended in order to hear item Items Ih and 2h,
146th and Gray Road Rezone and Primary Plat due to a mis-mailing ofthe Public Notice-some
property owners were left off the original mailing, but that was corrected within the State Statute
time limit of ten (10) days.
Item 11 H, US 31 Overlay _ Hotel/Cultural/Entertainment Uses failed to make the 25 day notice
requirement as per the Rules ofProcedure~ however this item does meet the ten (10) day State
Statute Public Notice requirement. A suspension of the Rules would be needed to hear this item.
Legal Counsel Report, John Molitor: Regarding the Open Door Law and how it restricts activities
of Commission members-John is working with Counsel for the Parks Board to see if a visit can be
arranged from the new Public Access Counselor later this falL Perhaps a joint meeting could be
held that would include the Parks Board members and Plan Commission members with the
Counselor. It would be voluntary on behalf of the Commission members, but would be an
opportunity for perhaps a one-half hour seminar. John asked that a hand-out be distributed via
email to Commission members regarding the Open Door Law.
John Molitor requested that a short Executive Session would be scheduled at 5:30 PM prior to the
next full meeting on October 16, 2007 in the DOCS Conference Room. The purpose ofthe
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along with retail space. Weare not asking industrial to go away, we are rezoning so that if they do
decide to sell, it gives some additional options. Almost every property owner in the Industrial area
asked for the reZ0ne if it was not already owned by the City~they obviously want it done and feel
that it adds more value to their property. The Committee was comfortable with this proposal-it is
better for the land owners, better for the area, and better for the City.
Caro 1 Schleif asked if there were plans for a round about at Third A venue and Industrial Drive.
Les Olds, Exec. Director, Carmel Redevelopment Commission stated that several developers have
come forward with some sketches, thoughts, and ideas, including a possible round about in some of
the configurations. However, they would be of significant size to allow truck traffic to traverse the
area. The round about at Main Street and Fourth is a special case and it is a little tight. Whatever is
developed along Third Avenue will have to be developed to allow semi-trailer truck traffic.
Carol Schleif noted that the Committee had also talked about section drawings with regard to sun
rights and privacy. Carol then distributed drawings to the Commission of "how to do it" and how it
works-schematic drawings at how you look at sun rights and privacy. The worst case scenario is
the angle ofthe sun at Noon in the winter time. Anything below the sun line is in shadows and the
buildings would be in shade most of the time. There have been 100 years of sun rights, legislation,
and zoning to encourage people not to do that~we have allowed that to happen in commercial tall
buildings when they were first built. In commercial settings, that is one thing, but in a residential
setting that is sppcial and a lot of people don't get out much, so this could have public health
implications. The red lines illustrate that if a six-foot tall person is at the top floor of the building,
they can see three houses down and this is a privacy issue. Carol gave another illustration witb the
Amli building on Main Street-the SLID is not shading the residences, the view is over the tops of
houses, not into bedroom windows. Carol then commented that a 33-foot setback works because it
allows the sun to not shade people 24 hours a day and you are not looking into someone's bedroom
window. You can do the building height with a 33-foot setback-you can do lots of other things.
Carol Schleifmade formal motion to forward Docket No. 07070024 Z, SouthWest Old Town C-2
Rezoning to City COlIDCil with a positive recommendation, conditioned upon 3 parcels on First
Avenue SW would be removed from the list of affected parcels to be rezoned, and that the CRC
include sections for privacy and sun rights for each project/site as it comes before them, seconded
by Madeleine Torres, Approved 7-1 (Seidensticker.) (Carol Schleif agreed to appear at City Council
and present the privacy and sun rights illustration when this item is scheduled for first reading.)
*Note: This motion also includes Docket No. 07080030 Z, SouthWest Old Town C-2 Rezoning,
additional parcels, as previously stated and formal motion made in Item 12H, Public Hearings.
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The applicant seeks to Amend the Zoning Ordinance, Chapter 23B: US Highway 3 T
Corridor Overlay Zone and Chapter 23C: US Highway 421 - Michigan Road Corridor
Overlay Zone, in order to amend the Architectural Design Requirements.
Filed by the Carmel Department of Community Services.
Adrienne Keeling, Department of Community Services, City of Cannel appeared before the
Commission representing the applicant. The proposed Amendment is to the Highway 31 Corridor
Overlay Zone and the US 421 Corridor Overlay Zone. This petition received public hearing in June
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and has been at the Committee level for review.
The Amendment for the US 31 Overlay essentially removes references to the golden section, and
addresses building footprints and roofs within the US 31 Overlay in an effort to eliminate box-shape
buildings. The proposal would add perimeter fence language to clarify if a perimeter fence is to be
used, the specifications for the fence are listed on page 3, 23B 1604, and for Highway 421,
Michigan Road Overlay, again, references to the golden section are being deleted. As of the latest
Committee meeting, a maximum building height requi rement was added as well as roof language to
better incorporate parapets and penthouses to eliminate box-shape buildings. The Amendment also
claJifies the building materials section to include language that fayade walls must be constructed of
red brick or stone and further clarified what trim materials may be used as well as the perimeter
fence section on page 6 of the Amendment. This was discussed at length at the previous two
committee meetings and forwarded to the Commission with a favorable recommendation with the
inclusion oflanguage regarding bwlding height.
On behalf of the Subdivision Committee, Rick Ripma concurred with Adrienne's comments. The
changes made were beneficial and the Committee voted a 3-0 positive recommendation.
DeparLment Comments, Angie Conn: The Department is recommending that the Commission
forward this item to City Council with a positive recommendation.
Jay Dorman made formal motion to fOlWard Docket No. 07020020 OA, US 31 & 421 Overlay
Architectural Design Amendment to City Council with a positive recommendation for approval,
seconded by Rick Ripma. Approved 8-0.
31. Docket No. 07070005 DP/ADLS: Old Meridian Professional Village
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for 7 buildings on 6.25 acres.
The site is located at 12346 Old Meridian St. and is zoned OM/O - Old Meridian
District, Office.
Filed by Paul Rcis of Bose McKinney & Evans for ALIA Business
Communities, LLC.
Paul Reis, attomey, Bose McKinney & Evans appeared before the Commission representing the
applicant. Also present: Darren Reno, landscape architect.
This development is located at the comer of Old Meridian and Pennsylvania Street and runs north
towards Carmel Drive. The parcel of land directly to the north is the Meijer retention pond. As
stated in the petition, the parcel is 6.25 acres in size; the development plan is for professional offices
that are consistent with a supportive of the Comprehensive Plan.
The petitioner met with the Special Studies Committee on September 04, 2007 to review the
development plan and ADLS application. The Committee voted unanimously to recommend
approval of the project, however, they did request that the petitioner do some additional streetscape
illustrations.
As stated in the Dept Report. the Engineering plans are still under review. The petitioner is
comfortable with the condition that they will work with the Engineering Dept to gain final approvaL
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