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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes Sub 06-05-07u u u i i i I City of Carmel CARMEL PLAN COMMISSION SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE MINUTES TUESDAY JUNE 5 2007 TIME 6 00 P M DOORS OPEN AT 5 30 P M LOCATION CAUCUS ROOMS CARMEL CITY HALL ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL IN 46032 Those Present Representing the Committee Jay DOffilan Rick Ripma Carol Schlief Sally Shapiro Representing the Department Angie COlli Mike Hollibaugh Of CounseL John Molitor Rick Ripma Committee Chairperson called the meeting to order at approximately 6 00 P M The Subdivision Committee will meet to consider the following items WITHDRAWN Docket No 06010005 Z Shelborne Property PU D The applicant seeks to rezone 20 acres from SQ Residential to PUDlPlanned Unit Development for the purpose ofdeveLoping single family residences The site is located on the west side of Shelbome Rd north of 121 5t S1 Filed by Charlie Frankenberger ofNelsonand Frankenberger for Indiana Land Development 2 CONTINUED toJUNE 28 Docket No 0605020 PP Clay Creek The applicant seeks to plan 30 lots on 29 971 acres The site is located on Hoover Road north of 116th Street and is zoned S the applicant seekds the following subdivision waivers for the proposed plat Page 1 ONE CIVIC SQUldtE CARMEL INDIANl 46032 317 571 2417 June 5 2007 Carmel Plan Commission Subdivision Committee Minutes Docket No 06050022 SW SCO Chapter 7 05 07 Orientation ofHome allow dwellings to face internal street reqiLest to U Docket No 07020023 SW sca Chapter 7 05 07 Clearing ofgreater than 15 of mature woodlands Filed by Charlie Frankenberger ofNelson and Frankenberger for MHE Development Co 3 Continued toJune 28 Docket No 07010008 Z 116th and Guilford Rezone The applicant seeks to rezone approximately 9 5 acres from I 1 Tndustrial to the R 1IResidence District Zoning Classification The site is located at 1441 S Guilford Filed by the Carmel Dcpt of Community Services 4 Docket No 07020014 Z Westmont PUD The applicant seeks to rezone property from S l Residence to PUD PlaIined Unit Development for the purpose ofcreating a single family detached residential subdivision The site is located at 2000 West 136lh St Filed by Charlie Frankenberger ofNelson and Frankenberger for Platinum Properties LLC and Pittman Partners Inc Charlie Frankenberger presented for the petitioner He vas accompanied by Steve Pittman Neal Smith and Nick Churchill ofPittman Partners Weare requesting approval of a low density upscale neighborhood known as Westmont The real estate as shown on the aerial photograph is between Towne Rd and Ditch Rd on the west and east and 141 st and 136lh on the north and south Westrnont s density is 123 acre that is less than the densities ofthe surrounding subdivisions and the expected price range is from 650 000 to 15 As mentioned in the informational brochure the original Plan Commission meeting was held on March 20 2007 That was followed by two Sub Division Committee meetings During the subdivision committee process we received and incorporated manyhelpful suggestions These many revisions are enumerated under Tab 4 in your informational brochures That is just a summary of some of the more relevant changes that resulted from the Sub Division Committee process Since the May 15th Plan Commission we continued to closely analyze the site plan primarily due to concerns expressed over u u u i f1 June 5 2007 Carmel Plan Commission Subdivision Committee Minutes 8 The ponds will not have long unbroken segments of strait shorelines This was a concern of Carol Schlief and we have included this change o As requested by the staffwe will commit that fountains and ponds will be provided at the developers discretion III The reference in the PUD to cultured stone has been characterized as a reference to a particular manufacturer s description We are changing that to manufactured synthetic stone o Steve Pittman and Steve Broerman have provided the City Engineer with written acknowledgment requested in the Department Report regarding outstanding engineering issues to be resolved and the project continues into the secondary plat Also pertaining to the road improvements that are required under the thoroughfare plan for segments of 141 sl and 136th adjacent to our northern and southern boundaries It Saine additional changes were recently requested Kevin Heber is attending the meeting tonight He sent out an email with 3 suggested revisions First subject to Committee approval the path through the forested area would be surfaced with crushed limestone Second also subject to Committee approval we will provide up to 6 bike route signs along the roads This will be the first conununity to have such signs indicating the official bike route New signs will be developed for bike routes through neighborhoods the developer will install signs on existing poles if approved by the City The signs will be small and subtle and will fit into the neighborhood The third revision is illustrated by a path between lots It is a side lot path Steve showed the Pedestrian Access Paths on avisual to the Committee Kevin Hebner showed a June 5 2007 Carmel Plan Conunission SubdivisionCommittee Minutes development Carol SeitHer Now spoke that regarding bikes are her in there concern there with is the a larger speed need ofthe for traffic traffic on calming the lower end ofthe U devices Carol asked if there was any way tomakethe initial entry island more of a roundabout Charlie Frankenberg indicated that it was the position ofthe petitioner that an appropriate number oftraffic calming devices have been installed Charlie indicated on a visual the difference between Westmont traffic routes and other nearby subdivisions There have been complaints of speeding in these other neighborhoods Pittman Partners has significantly broken up that straight road as athroughway and has put in islands Carol Schleif indicated that she thought the roads could be tweaked so that no lots were lost She indicated that she felt it was important to reduce the speed levels that could occur Carol indicated that the Committee had approved a roundabout and not an island Steve Pittman indicated that he is building the roads to the residential street standards that we are required to build to and have coordinated with Engineering Department Carol Schleif indicated she has spoken with engineering and that they do not think that this is going to work and will not slow traffic Steve Pittman reiterated that Engineering has approved it however like all other plans it is subject Several to ideas further were review discussed as you by continue the Committee forward with construction lJ Carol Schleif indicated that this is what the Committee is entitled to review Their concern must be health and safety issues Steve Pittman stated this is the way Pittman Partners are going to go when we go into the construction phase and we are asked to stick that island out a little bit it will be reviewed At this time they are comfortable with the plan and we are not going to move roads and we are comfortable with the safety building according to the residential street standards Mike Hollibaugh indicated it was his understanding that the Engineering department is ok with this project conceptually They thought it was adequate They will look for refinements as we go further into construction Sally Shapiro is there away that the island could be made a slightly different shape to help slow down the traffic perhaps agreen way or meridian to help slow the traffic flow Charlie Frankenberger indicated that this might be possible there is a statement in the Department report The petitioner has agreed to review the configuration ofthe three way u u L i Jft June 5 2007 Cannel Plan Commission Subdivision Committee Minutes Jay Dorman asked Mike Hollibaugh what can be done to help the petitioner connect to the Saddle Brook Path cross the large estate lot and the little house right in front on the creek Jay showed the area being discussed on a visual Will need a footbridge over the creek same kind of limestone path the big house has plenty of frontage the problem may be the small house rust mustard colored house Mike Hollibaugh we have had some success over the years where utilities need to be extended If Tohn Duffy can negotiate the easements that allows a water or sewer line to go through He and Italked about it and he is going to look into it Mike will follow up with John Duffy Jay Dorman this path would be added value for everyone who lives in the area Steve Pittman we would like this amenity to be there right away Jay Dorman indicated that if the City is able to give Pittman Partners the right of way then the biggest expense would be getting over the creek He asked ifperhaps the City could pay for the limestone and the developer pays for the footbridge The footbridge should be at least 3 ft wide to keep the path contiguous Steve Pittman indicated that ifthe City gets the land issues resolved before they do the street improvements from Ditch to Towne Pittman Partners will install the bridge Jay Dorman stated it was his impression that the road improvements are years off He clarified with Steve that if the easements can be procured that Pittman Partners will make these improvements Steve agreed Steve Pittman indicated that he was hesitant at first about these changes being brought up this late in the process however knowing that both Kevin Heber and Ron Carter werekeen on having these added to the plans he made the decision to add them The Conunittee agreed that since this would be going to the City Council it made sense for it to be added at this time Carol made a motion to approve Docket No 07020014 Z Westmont PUD Jay Donnan seconded the motion All were in favor This project will retum to the Plan Commission with afavorable recommendation Meeting adjourned 6 30 p m Resp n Lisa M Stewart Page 5 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARlvIEL INDIANA 46032 317 571 2417 intersection at the southwest side of the 120 ft lots As the project moves into the secondary plat stage u Page 4 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL INDIANA 46032 317 571 2417 visual on his computer Tom Claridge Farms where such a pathway exists Steve Pittman indicated that there are still some constmction issues to be worked on for the path i e drainage issues etc They will continue to work through this Fencing of this area was discussed Steve indicated they may want to set these paths offwith landscaping shrubs etc but this will be determined at a later time Angie COllil DOCS the petitioner has addressed all the issues that the Department has and we recommend that this be sent on to the Plan COlllillission with a favorable recommendation Page 3 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARIvffiL INDIANA 46032 317 571 2417 the fact that the site plan had not been revised as discussed and agreed to at the Sub Division meeting We have continued to closely analyze the site plan and we have revised the site plan as indicated under Tab 3 ofthe informational brochure We will refer to the printed exhibit in place ofpoWer point slide The site plan has been revised to incorporate these islands as traffic calming devices and also by altering the northern most intersection and the roadway to reduce speeds attainable on the previously straight roadway So these are the revisions we have made to the site plan In addition per the Department Report we have agreed to the following Page 2 ONE CIVIC SQUARE CARMEL INDIANA 46032 317 571 2417 o u