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To: City of Carmel, DOCS
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
Re: Mike's Express Carwash - Store #35
Weston Park, Lot 2
10580 N. Michigan Road
Attention: Anqle Conn - 571-2417
We are sending you the following items via: Courier End of Day
Shop Drawings Prints X Plans Samples Specifications
Copy of Letter Change Order X Attached Report Other
Copies Dote Description
1 02/01/08 Revised Construction Plans
1 02/07/08 Copies of Response Letters
1 2/7/08 <:G:D w/electronic files Yk
1 2/01/08 Revised O&M Manual
THESE ARETRANSMITTED os checked below:
X For A roval
X Submit
A roved as Submitted
roval
For Your Use
Return
A roved as Noted
Co ies for Distribution
As Re uested
Not A roved
Reviewed for Com lienee
Resubmit
Corrected Prints
For Review and Comment
Remarks: Angie. here are copies of response letters to TAC members as well as revised plans and
O&M Manual.
c: Scanned to file
Signed: Sherri Wilson, Permit Specialist, 845-7119
Transmittal Only:
Notice: The drawing/computer files listed above are the property of Cripe Architects + Engineers and are transmitted tor
reproduction use only. Any modification or reuse of the documents without written permission from Cripe Architects +
Engineers Is prohibited. Any person or entity uSing these documents for any purpose other than the project for which they
were originally intended, with or without permission from Cripe Architects + Engineers, by their use agrees to indemnify and
hold harmless Cripe Architects + Engineers from any loss, including, but not limited to attorney's fees occurring from their use.
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7172 Graham Road Indianapolis, indiana ~5250
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February 7. 2008
steve Cook, Water Distribution Mgr.
City of Carmel
3450 W. 131 sf Street
Westfield. IN 46074
RE: Mike's Carwash #35 Weston Park, Lot 2,
10580 N. Michigan Road, Carmel, IN
Dear Steve:
Please find our response to your letter dated January 24. 2008.
1. Carmel Clay specs should be used.
Response: Please refer to the revised Sheet C502-C504 for the addition of the City of
Carmel Specifications.
2. A tap is required at the Wotermain - there is no stubout.
Response: Please see. Sheet C50 I for revised Watermain connection and notes. A bore
under the access drive shaU be required and the means and methods of bore shall
conform to the City of Carmel Specifications.
We are requesting final approval be granted at this time in order for construction to begin in
March.
If you have any questions please give me a call at 317-845-7129.
Sincerely,
CR/-,>>CHITE~TS + ENGINEERS
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Christopher M. Wiseman, PE
Project Manager
Attachments: Revised Construction Documents doted 2-1-08.
cc: Bill Dahm, Mike's Express Carwash
Angie Conn, City of Carmel Planning
Frank Hindes, Cripe
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Mr. Robert Thomas
Hamilton County Surveyor's Office
One Hamilton County Square, Suite 188
Noblesville, IN 46060-9628
RE: Mike's Carwash #35 Weston Park, Lot 2,
10580 N. Michigan Road, Carmel, IN
Dear Robert:
Please find responses to your comment letter dated January 14,2008.
1. Cover Sheet - Eliminate all references to SWCD, John South for Contact Info on
this sheet and anywhere else in plans. The Hamilton County Surveyor's Office is
the reviewing agency for all SWPPP's.
Response: Please see the Cover Sheet and C400 series for elimination of
reference to John South and SWCD on the plans.
2. On Cover Sheet and elsewhere change the term "Erosion Control..," to
Stormwater Pollution Prevention Plans" SWPPP make note for all future submittals.
Response: Please see revised Construction Documents for the use of Stormwater
Pollution Plan instead of Erosion Control.
3. Under Erosion Control Notes (SWPPPJ :# 1 should read Prior to any earth disturbing
activity contractor shall schedule a precon with the Hamilton County Surveyor's
Office and furnish a copy of the NO!. (This note shall be "bold" type and
Underlined.
Response: Note 1 has been added to Sheet C40 7. Please see revised sheet.
4. On Sheet C401 show north arrow, scale, NOI Posting, port-a-Iet. proposed
contours or spot grades. Move construction entrance to NE entrance. Proposed
storm inlet conflicts with stone entrance.
Response: Sheet C401 has been revised to show all mentioned items and
revisions.
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7172 Gri"lham Road Indianapolis, Indiana 46250
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5. Concrete washout detail need plastic liner, 10 mil thickness minimum.
Response: Please see Sheet C403 for revised concrete washout detail.
6. Add to O&M Manual and Sheet C402 Section C5 "Owner sholl send copies of
the HCSO all inspection and maintenance reports at least annually.
Response: Please see Section 2.1 of the O&M Manual and note C5 on Sheet c402
for added note.
7. AS Rule 5 is 0 water quality permit (Sheet C402).
Response: Please see note A8 on Sheet C402 for revision.
8. A 14 provide pre and post construction rates (Sheet C402).
Response: The pre-developed and post developed J OO-year discharge rates
have been added to Sheet C402. Note C5 on Sheet C402 for added note.
9. Erosion Control sequence Sheet C402 see note 3 above.
Response: Please see Sheet C402 Erosion and Sediment Control Sequence for
added note.
10. Sheet C402 Erosion Control sequence add note "18. Owner shall submit NOI to
MS4 and IDEM.
Response: Please see Sheet C402 note 19 for added note under Erosion and
Sediment Control.
11. To spill Response Plan add HCSO to agencies to notify in case of spill.
Response: Please see Sheet C402 note B 13 for revision.
12. To Seed and bed specs as well as Landscape specs add "Do not use
phosphorous containing fertilizer [12-12-12).
Response: Please see Section J .3-1- J under Implementation and Maintenance
procedure on Sheet C403 for added note.
13. Provide copy of weekly self inspection for on sheet C403 as well as inspection
guidelines.
Response: Inspection sheets have been added to the plan set and contractor
continually complete forms as required.
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14. Sheet C402 Section C Post Construction Assessment is incomplete. No mention is
made of hydrodynamic separator.
Response: The addition of the Aqua-Swirl devices eliminates the 80% TSS that
could potentially reave the site.
15. Sheet C403 you show a swale detail - show location on sheet C401 .
Response: Please see Sheet C403 for the removar of the swore detail.
If you have any questions please give me a call at 317-845-7129.
Sincerely,
CRIPE ARCHITECTS + ENGINEERS
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Christopher M. Wiseman, PE
Project Manager
Attachment: Revised Construction Document dated 2-1-08.
Cc: Angie Conn, City of Carmel Planning
Bill Dahm, Mikes Express Carwash
Greg Hayes, Hamilton County Surveyor Office
Frank Hindes, Cripe
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Telephone 317842 6777
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7172 Graham Road Indianapolis. Indiana 46250
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January 29, 2008
Ryan Hartman
District Engineer
Clay Township Regional Waste District
1701 N. College Ave, Suite A
Indianapolis, IN 46280
RE: Mike's Carwash #35 Weston Park, Lot 2
Dear Ryan:
This letter is in response to your comment letter dated November 82007.
1. Please make note that the current plumbing code states that CO'S shall be
placed no further than 100' apart. Also make sure a CO is located within 3' from
foundation and include CO callout types at all CO locations per District standard
drawings www.ctrwd.org.
Response: Details hove been added to the revised Development Plans.
2. Please add length of lateral and note 1.00% min. slope on the lateral.
Response: Note added tQ Utility Plan.
3. Please add all necessary sanitary sewer details on the detail sheet and add the
District's current specifications including summary of lateral installation notes on
the sheet.
Response: Details and specificatIons have been added to the revised
Development Plans.
4. Please include an executed sewer application with next plan submittal also to
be found at www.ctrwd.org. Calculations and notes concerning water recycle
process should be included for flow calculations.
Response: Application and flow calculations shall be completed by the owner.
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If you have any qUestions give me a call at 317-845-7129,
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January 24,2008
VIA HAND DELIVERY
Angie Conn
City of Cannel
Department of Community Services
RE: Mikes Car Wash Michigan Road
Docket No. 07090014 ADLSIDP
January 24, 2008 Plan Commission Hearing
Submittal of Revised Lighting Photometric Plan
Dear Angie
In case you did not already receive this, enclosed are two (2) caples of the revised
photometric lighting plan. Please contact me with any questions.
Very truly yours,
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Conn, Angelina V
From: Frank Hindes [fhindes@cripe.biz]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 20082:03 PM
To: Conn, Angelina V; Hollibaugh, Mike P
Cc: Jim Shinaver; Bill Dahm; JERRY DAHM; twells@mikesexpress.com; Chris Wiseman; Miles; Stewart
Whitcomb
Subject: Docket No. 07090014 ADLS/DP Mike's Carwash - Michigan Road
Hello Angie,
Please see the below list of "green" considerations for Mikes Express Carwash. In considering this viewpoint, it
was evident that environmental advantage is gained in building structural materials, the construction process,
The wash process, and even the service provided by automated washing. We feel we can make a significant
case for this environmental friendly use,
Thank you for your consideration,
Frank Hindes
1. Provide automated car washing, optimizing water usage for 40% less water used than traditional
driveway washing
2. Utilize recycled content in pre-cast concrete aggregate where appropriate and available
3. Utilize recycled fill materials under concrete slabs
4. Utilize high reflectance, white membrane for reduced heat island affect
5. Examine the use of electric water heat where feasible
6. Utilize 99,5% efficient gas hot water boilers
7. Implement partial waste heat recovery from sanitary water
8. Provide natural delighting in wash bays for customer comfort and environmental quality
9. Utilize innovative waste water reclaim system to reduce water usage and reduce water heat demand
10. Utilize low flow toilet fixtures throughout
11. Capture roof rain water, store on site, and use for irrigation
12. Utilize two water quality filtration devises for cleaner storm water
13. Provide grease trap for improved sanitary waste water quality
14. Reduce storm water discharge through master drainage planning with detention
15. Specify low greenhouse gas coolant for office air conditioning unit,
16. Implement a store trash recycling program
17. Implement construction waste recycle program (typically saving three dumpsters of haul-off trash)
18. Shop fabricated electronic components are shipped ready to install and set in place with the same
crane as the precast, reducing inefficient site fabrication/waste and individual mechanical manipulation
into place, Less crane mobilization and reduced fork lift use.
19. Continue practice of reusing job site materials including formwork, curing blankets, job site storage
containers, opening protections, access controls, etc".
20. Local fabrication of significant process equipment for increased efficiency in materials and reduced
Shipping
21. Utilize recycled content interior finish materials for flooring, acoustic tile, concrete, aluminum, etc..,
22. Utilize primarily material produced locally or within 500 mile radius for reduced transportation and fuel
23. Utilize certified wood products where available for application
24. Provide ventilation exceeding minimum standards for indoor air quality
25. Utilize low VOC emitting materials for adhesives, paints, and composite wood.
26. Provide employees with access to natural daylight and views for environmental quality
27. Engage a LEED AP designer in the architectural and civil design
28. Provide significant landscape plantings and shading for reduced heat island affects
29. Utilize advanced motor control centers and variable frequency drives for reduced power demand
30. Utilize state-of-the-art process controls for opTImal chemicai delivery and reduced waste
31. Implement high efficiency loading procedures to reduce vehicle wait/idle times (exhaust emissions) and
1/23/2008
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optimize tunnel energy efficiency in operations
32. Utilize hydronic slab heat at appropriate site locations, significantly reducing chemical de-Icing needs
33. Commercial car washing outlets waste water into the municipal waste water treatment system,
diverting otherwise personal carwash waste water from storm water management systems and streams
34. Use of primarily masonry material. stainless steel. anodized metals, and high-performance. baked on
finishes on the exterior, resulting in low maintenance exterior surfaces and no painted surfaces to
regularly maintain.
35. Use of recycled content plastic bollard protection to eliminate regular paint maintenance
36. Utilize primarily cement concrete materials ahd clay masonry structure as readily recyclable materials
37. This new Carmel store will not have self serve bays and is 4'-2" more narrow and 20'-0" shorter than the
most recent prototype resulting in 3.370 s.f. reduced building area. reduced raw building materials.
and reduced ongoing energy cost,
1/23/2008
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Conn, Angelina V
From: Brewer, Scott I
Sent: Friday, January 18,20086:47 PM
To: 'Chris Wiseman'; Brian Stanoch; mefloetker@lawnpride.com; JimS@nf-law.com; Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Frank Hindes; Sara Farny
Subject: RE: RE: Mike's Express CarWash Landscape and Engineered Site Plans
No. the .pdf is fine for review, but you can now see some of the obvious conflicts with the overhead eledricallines and a
few with placement of buried lines and positions of trees, These conflicts just need to be worked out, which I think can be
done easily.
Scott Brewer, City Forester
Environmental Planner. DOCS
City of Carmel,
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
PH: 317-571-2478
FAX: '317-571-2426
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From: Chris Wiseman [mailto:cwiseman@cripe.biz]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:36 PM
To: Brian Stanoch; mefloetker@lawnpride.com; JimS@nf-law.com; Brewer, Scott I; Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Frank Hindes; Sara Farny
Subject: RE: RE: Mike's Express CarWash Landscape and Engineered Site Plans
Scatt
Do you want a hard copy to review or willlhese pdf's suffice?
Thanks
Chris
Chris Wiseman, PE
Project Manager
Cripe Architects + Engineers
7172 Graham Road
Indianapolis, Indiana 46250
Phone: (317) 845-7129
Mobile Phone: (317) 997-6441
Fax: (317) 841-4798
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-----Original Message---n
From: Brian stanoch
Sent: Thu, January 17, 2008 12:26 PM
To: 'mefloetker@lawnpride.com'; 'JimS@nf-law.com'; 'SBrewer@carmel.in.gov'; 'Aconn@carmel.in.gov'
Cc: Frank Hindes; Sara Farny; Chris Wiseman
Subject: RE: Mike's Express CarWash Landscape and Engineered Site Plans
Attached is an engineered site plan showing all utilities related to the project overlaid on the landscape plan, and
the landscape plan by itself. Please review and let us know of any questions you may have. Thank you.
Sincerely,
1/22/2008
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Brian M. Stanoch. EI. SIT
Associate Engineer
Cripe Architects + Engineers
7172 Graham Road
Indianapolis, Indiana 46250
direct line and direct fax: 317.845.7047
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From: Miles [mailto: mefloetker@lawnpride.com]
Sent: Wed, January 16, 2008 3:28 PM
To: Brewer, Scott I; JimS@nf-law.com; Chris Wiseman
Cc: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: RE: Mike's Express CarWash
Scan,
TIlanks for your list of concerns. In response to your 4 bullet points, here are my recommendations as to how they will be
addressed:
1. I am submitting the revised design dated 1-7-2008 with the most recent packet, aJld had previously handed out copies at
the committees meeting January 8, 2008 to those ill attendance.
2. I am providing to Chris Wiseman a copy of the same landscape plan for him tu uverlay on an engineered site pIon.
3. 1 will make needed tree rearrangements depending on your input from seeing the layuut un an engineered plan, i.e. if
the Ginkgo Trees are in conflict with the overhead utilities.
4. The architect is providing.
I hope this is acceptable to you, and if it will suffice for approval of the landscape plan. Any uther input would be appreciated,
or confirmation of the described.
Thanks always,
Miles
From: Brewer, Scott I [mailto:SBrewer@carmel.in.gov]
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:22 AM
To: JimS@nf-law.com; Cwiseman@cripe.bizi Miles
Cc: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: Mike's Express CarWash
Dear Chris and Jim:
I received the January 11, 2008, submittal for Mike's Express Carwash on Michigan Road. The CD is a good way
to do it. I have just a couple comments:
1. The landscape plan in the set is from 12-12-07. I already have an updated plan fiom 1-7-08 from Miles. Please include
that later plan in the plan eOJ1imission infonnation.
2. Please put Miles' landscape information on an engineered site plan, so I can locate conflict in the greenbelt and other
areas
3. Miles might have to switch the low growing trees to the front (toward 421) and the larger maturing trees to the rear of
the greenbelt due to the overhead clectricallines that nm through that area. Without the plant material on an
engineered site plan, it is difficult to tell exactly where they are in relation tu all the utilities.
4. Do you have a rendering of 421 view ofbuildillg with landscaping? I'm not saymg you need one, but I was just
wondering if you had one to help people on the plan commission visualize how things willluok. If yuu did ha vc une, I
would like to see it, so T can see where your building sign is going to fall. Thank you.
If you have any questions, please reply by ernaiJ or phone.
Scott Brewer, City Forester
1/22/2008
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Conn, Angelina V
From: Brewer, Scott I
Sent: Monday, January 14,2008 11 :22 AM
To: JimS@nf-law.com; 'Cwiselilan@cripe.biz'; 'Miles'
Cc: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: Mike's Express CarWash
Dear Chris and Jim:
I received the January 11, 2008, submittal for Mike's Express Carwash on Michigan Road. The CD is a good way to do
it. I have just a couple comments:
1. The landscape plan in the set is from 12-12-07. I already have an updated plan from 1-7-08 from Miles. Please
include that later plan in the plan commission information.
2. Please put Miles' landscape information on an engineered site plan, so I can locate conflict in the greenbelt and
other areas
3. Miles might have to switch the low growing trees to the front (toward 421) and the larger maturing trees to the
rear of the greenbelt due to the overhead electrical lines that run through that area. Without the plant material on
an engineered site plan, it is difficult to tell exactly where they are in relation to all the utilities.
4. Do you have a rendering of 42.1 view of building with landscaping? I'm not saying you need one, but I was just
wondering if you had one to help people on the plan commission visualize how things will look. If you did have
one, I would like to see it, so I can see where your building sign is going to fall. Thank you.
If you have any questions, please reply by email or phone.
Scott Brewer, City Forester
Environmental Planner, DOCS
City of Carmel,
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
PH: 317-571-2478
FAX: 317-571-2426
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VIA HAND DELIVERY
Angie Conn
City of Carmel
Depmtment of Community Services
RE: Mikes Car Wash Michigan Road
Docket No. 07090014 ADLS/DP
January 24, 2008 Plan Coml.11ission Meeting
Brochure Submittal
Dear Angie -
Enclosed please find eighteen (18) brochures to be distributed to the Plan Commission
members for the January 24th meeting and please be sure to place this matteroll Plan
Commission's Agenda.
Thanks for your assistance in this matter and contact me with any questions.
Very truly yours,
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City of Carmel
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January 11, 2008
Chris Wiseman
Cripe Architects and Engineers
7172 Graham Road
Indianapolis, IN 46250
RE: Mike's Express Carwash - Michigan Rd. Letter 2
Dear Mr. Wiseman
The following letter represents comments for this project specifically addressing the area
of altemati ve transportation. I have reviewed the revised drawings submitted on January
11,2008 based upon the City's review of November 7, 2007 and offer the following
comments:
ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION REVIE\V COMMENTS
1) The City of Carmel Parking Ordinance requires that all commercial and retail
venues include bicycle parking. Bicycle parking spaces are required at a rate of
five (5) bicycle parking spaces per one hundred (100) automobile parking spaces
with a minimum of four (4) spaces. Please revise your plans to show the required
bicycle parking spaces On your site. Please see the City of Carmel's Parking
Ordinance in order to determine appropriate locations, specifications and
construction details for the above.
Chapter 27.06 ofthe Carmel Clay Ordinance requires four (4) bicycle parking
spaces.
We request that all responses to our comments be provided in writing. Failure to provide
written responses may result in delay of the review process.
It is critical that this office be made aware of all modification made on the plans being re-
submitted, particularly if any such changes are considered "new" or fall outside of our
previous reviews. Please provide revised plans indicating all revisions. Please notify us
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of any changes and specifically state any changes, including changes resulting from Plan
Commission, Special Studies or other committee meetings.
The Department of Community Services reserves the right to provide additional
comments based on subsequent reviews.
Tfyou have questions, please contact me at 571-2417.
Sincerely,
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David Littlejolm
Transportation Systems Coordinator
Department of Conu11lmity Servi ces
cc: Angie Conn, Department of Community Services
Engineering Dcp311ment Review
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To: City of Carmel Re: Mike's Express Carwash Store No. 35-
Dept. of Community Services (DOCS) 10580 N. Michigan Road, Carmel, IN
One Civic Square, 3rd Floor
Carmel, IN 46032
Attention: Angie Conn - 571-2417
We are sending you the following items via: Courier
Shop Drawings Prints X Plans Samples Specifications
X Copy of Letter Change Order X Attached Report Other
Copies Date Description
I 1 /11 /08 Cover Letter
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1 1 /1 0/08 Drainage Report
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2 I /l 0/08 Landscape Plan (24 x36)
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Signed: Sherri Wilson, Permit Specialist, 845-7119
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Notice: The drawing/computer files listed above are the property of Cripe Architects + Engineers and are transmitted for
reprOduction use only. Any modification or reuse of the documents without written permission from Cripe Architects +
Engineers is prohibited. Any person or entity using fhese documents for any purpose other than the project for which they
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Angelina Conn
Planning Administrator
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
RE: Mike's Carwash #35 Weston Park, lot 2,
10580 N. Michigan Road, Carmel, IN
Dear Angie:
Please find enclosed the revised Development Plans, copies of response letters to T AC
agencies and a compact disk with electronic files of the plans. We have also provided
a drainage report.
If you have any questions please give me a call at 317-845-7129.
Sincerely,
aH2/::EERS
Christopher M. Wiseman, PE
Project Manager
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January 11. 2008
David Littlejohn
Transportation Systems Coordinator
Department of Community Services
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
RE: Mike's Carwash #35 Weston Park, Lof 2.
10580 N. Michigan Road, Carmel, IN
Dear David:
This letter is in response to your comment letter dated November 7, 2007.
1, The City of Carmel Parking Ordinance requires that all commercial and retail venues
include bicycle parking. Bicycle parking spaces are requires at a rate of five (5)
bicycle parking spaces per one hundred (100) automobiLe parking spaces with a
minimum of four (4) spaces. Pleose revise your plans to show the required bicycle
parking spaces on your site. Pleose see the City of Carmel's Parking Ordinance in
order to determioe appropriate locations, specifications, and construction details for
the above.
Response: Due to the nature of business, no bicycle parking has been provided
onsite. This issue has been discussed previously with Plan Commission members.
2. Pleose provide a connection to the site from the multiuse path along Michigan
Rood.
Response: Connection has been added to Development Plans.
3. Pleose indicate ADA ramps at all crossings and near the parking locations.
Response: ADA ramps and crossing have been added to the Development Plans.
If you have any questions give me a call at 317-845-7129,
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Project Manager
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Jonual)' 11,2008
Greg Hoyes, AC, CFM
Plo n Reviewer
Hamilton County Surveyor's Office
One Hamilton County Square, Suite 188
Noblesville, IN 46060
RE: Mike's Carwash #35. Weston Park, Lot 2,
10580 N. Michigan Road, Carmel, IN
Dear Greg:
This letter is in response to your comment letter dated November 14, 2007.
1. The proposed project falls in the unincorporated area and MS4 jurisdiction of
Hamilton County.
Response: Comment noted.
2. The proposed project DOES NOT fall in a Carmel Wellhead Protection Zone.
Response: Comment noted.
3. The proposed project falls in the Park Northwestern Regulated Drain Watershed.
Port of the Weston Park Arm of the Park Northwestern Regulated Drain is located
within the project limits.
Response: Comment noted. A portion of the Weston Park Arm shall be relocated
due to site conditions.
4. The existing conditions, sheet C201, does not show the regulated drain in the
northwest corner on the lot correctly. The pipe has been field verified to be
located within the platted easement.
Response: Existing conditions Sheet C201 has been updated to reflect current
existing conditions.
5. The proposed site plan, sheet C201, show the building within a platted regulated
drain easement and over the top of the Weston Park Arm of the Park
Northwestern Regulated Drain, A permanent structure cannot be placed within
the easement per r.c. 36-9-'27~33, The building will either need to be moved out
of the easement, or the drain will need to be relocated and the lot re-platted to
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move the easement to the new location. Please let me know how this will be
handled.
Response: Comment noted.
6. No landscape planting will be permitted or allowed within the existing regulated
drainage easements per Indiana Code 36-9-27-33(d).
Response: Comment noted.
7. Post construction water quality issues wiJl be addressed by Bob Thompson of
HCSO when the construction plans are submitted for review.
Response: A set of plans has been forwarded to Bob Thompson for review.
8. Although the HamJ/ton County Surveyor's Office has reviewed this DP I ADLS
application and issued a comment letter, this office does not have enough
information to provide final approval. Insufficient information is presented to
conduct a complete drainage/PH II water quality review and changes may be
required during the construction planning stage. Please submit complete
construction plans for review, well before any activity is planned for the site.
Response: Detailed Development Plans have been provided at this time instead
of core only plans as provided previously.
9. Please note that further comments may be necessary at a later date.
Response: Comment nofed.
If you have any questions give me a call at 317-845-7129.
Sincerely,
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Christopher M. Wiseman, PE
Project Manager
CC: Angie Conn, Carmel DOCS
Bob Thompson, HCSO
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Conn, Angelina V
From: Brewer, Scott I
Sent: Wednesday, January 02,20083:13 PM
To: 'Miles'
CC: Conn, Angelina V; Holmes, Christine B
Subject: RE: Landscape input for Mike's Carwash
Dear Miles:
In the "Michigan Road/421 Highway Overlay Zone, the Michigan Road Greenbelt requirements are particularly important.
While the business is not technically a parking lot, it does have parking near the front, and the whole effort of the business
is to have cars up front (to be cleaned), it seems as if the perimeter parking lot landscaping standards do apply. Since the
business is already applying for a variance to not plant (required materials) in the western drainage easement, in order to
meet the Greenbelt and perimeter landscaping requirements, you would need to add three (3) more shade trees to the
Greenbelt area. By my count, you have 7 shade trees in this are already, and there should be a total of 10 to meet the
Ordinance (Greenbelt planting plus parking lot perimeter planting).
These trees could b'a clustered tightly in the center of the space, keeping as much as possible the visual "windows" you
have tried to establish along Michigan Road You have an oak in the center now, if 3 or 4 oaks were planted in a tight
cluster, they would tend to grow taller and more upright. Likewise, ginkgoes could be clustered and pOllarded, if they
needed to be trimmed. I realize that this situation is not exactly what the owners wished for, but I think it only fair to the
other business owners along Michigan Road for Mike's to try to meet the ordinance where they are able to. Thank you.
Scott Brewer, City Forester
Environmental Planner, DOCS
City of Carmel,
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
PH: 317-571"2478
FAX: 317~571-2426
From: Miles [mailto:mefloetker@lawnpride.com]
Sent: WednesdaYI January 02, 2008 9;29 AM
To: Brewer( Scott I
Slibject: Landscape input
Scott,
I didn't know if you have had a chance to review the landscape plan for the Mike's Carwash being proposed along
Michigan Road? I know that you had more pressing issues I jobs to address before our plan, and would like to hear your
input prior to our January 8th meeting if possible,
Thanks always,
Miles Floetker
Lawn Pride ~ Inc.
7320 Compan:y Drive
Indi.anapolis, Indian3 46237
Phone: 317-882-3200
Fax: 317-882"9711
Cell: 317-664-1984
1/3/2008
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JOHN 8, PLATT
FREDRIC LA Wll.ENCE
DAVID 1. LlCHTEN13EJ<.GER
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JANE B. MERRILL
3105 EAST 98TH STR EET
SUITE 170
INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46280
3 I 7-844-0106
FAX: 317-846-8782
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December 28, 2007
VIA HAND DELIVERY
Angie COrol
City of Camlel
Department of Community Services
RE: Mikes Car Wash Michigan Road
Docket No. 07090014 ADLS/DP
January 8, 2008 Special Studies Committee Meeting
Brochure Submittal
Dear Angie
Enclosed please find ten (10) brochures to be distributed to the Special Studies
Committee members for the January 8th Committee meeting. Please be sure that this matter is
placed on the Special Studies Committee Agenda for the January 8th meeting.
Thanks for your assistance in this matter and contact me with any questions.
Very truly yours,
& FRANKENBERGER, P.C.
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From: Jim Shinaver [JimS@NF-LAW.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:43 AM
To: Corin, Angelina V; Holmes, Christine B; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Hancock, Ramona B; Tingley, Connie S
Cc: Bill Dahm; JERRY DAHM; tWells@mikesexpress.com; Frank Hindes; Chris Wiseman; Miles
Subject: Request to Contihue Mikes Car Wash - Michigan Road PC and BlA Matters until January Agenda
Angie and Christine -
Last Week I left a voice mail message with Angie regarding this request. Our team needed additional time to make the
appropria.te revisions to the project and were not able to provide updated brochures in time for this Thursday's (11/29)
Special Studies Committee meeting.
To this end, for the PC docket number 07090014 DP/ADLS, please continue this matter until the January 8th Special
StUdies Committee meeting. This will provide our team the time we require in order to make additional revisions to the
plans that we believe will be beneficial to the overall project.
Also, for the BlA docket numbers 07110006 V through 07110012 V, please continue these items from the December
17th BlA agenda until the January 21st BlA meeting.
Please email me back confirmation that these continuances for the PC and BlA have been granted and contact me
with any questions. Thanks. jim
Jim Shin'aver
Nelson & Frankenberger
3105 E. 98th Street, Suite 170
Indianapolis, In; 46280
317 -844-0106
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From: Jim Shinaver [mailto:JimS@NF-LAW.COMJ
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Conn, Angelina V; Greg Hoyes
Cc: Donahue-wold, Alexia K; Holmes, Christine B; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Brewer,
Scott Ii Chris Wiseman; Frank Hindes; Sara FarnYi Sherri Wilson;
mefloetker@lawnpride.comi JERRY DAHM; Bill Dahmi Cheri Grierson; Wells Terry
Subject: RE: Mikes Car Wash: November 20 plan Commission
Importance: High
Everyone -
Based on the message below from Greg Hoyes, please accept this
message as our "written confirmation" that we will comply with all of
Greg's requirements.
Our strong preference would be to make our PC and BZA approval
conditioned upon following through with all of Greg's items below. We
have this preference due to time constraints and economic concerns. If
we were required to comply with all of Greg's requirements prior to
obtaining PC and BZA approval, it will cause a delay in construction.
We are also concerned because we would not want to be required to
address all of Greg's items first, only to find out that the BZA or PC
ultimately does not approve the project. If this were to occur, Mike's
Car Wash would end up spending a significant amount of money and time on
a project that they can not build because they did not obtain the
required approvals from the BZA and PC.
Hopefully you can understand our position. Further, I do not
believe making the approval contingent on Greg's request is unusual. In
fact, I can recall past projects where the approval was contingent
obtain obtaining final approval of other County agencies.
Again, we will comply with all of Greg's requirements and we ask
that any eventual approval be contingent upon this commitment. Thanks
and please contact me with any questions. Jim
Jim Shinaver
Nelson & Frankenberger
3105 E. 98th Street, Suite l70
Indianapolis, In. 46280
317-844-0106
jims@nf-Iaw.com
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From.: Greg Hoyes [mai I to: grh@co. hami I ton. in. us]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:49 PM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Donahue-Wold, Alexia Ki Holmes, Christine Bi Hollibaugh, Mike P; Brewer,
Scott 1; Chris Wisemani Frank Hindesi Sara Farny~ Sherri Wilsoni
mefloetker@lawnpride.com; JERRY Dl\HM; Bill Dahmi Cheri Grierson; Wells
TerrYi Jim Shinaver
Subject: Mikes Car Wash: November 20 plan Commission
Angie
Since the Mike's Car Wash project goes to PC tonight, I thought I better
give you a current status report. Cripe has provided us with a revised DP
that shows relocating the Weston Park Arm - Park Northwestern Regulated
Drain. This relocation along with the re-platting of Weston Park Lot 2 will
move the regulated drain easement to an area outside of the building setback
line, so the building encroachment issue is resolved. Lawn Pride has also
worked with us and submitted a landscape plan that does not have any "woody"
vegetation within the regulated drain easement.
Now granted, they are only at DP review level and we will still need to see
full CD before any final approval can be given. They will still have to
petition for relocation of the regulated drain, meet all our standards, re-
plat the lot, file a non-enforcement/encroachment agreement, and get an
approved Phase II Storm Water Quality Review, before any work can begin on
the site. I would assume. the PC will approve the project contingent on the
petition receiving all applicable approvals from all other review agencies.
HCSO is now fine with the project to this point in the review process and we
do not have any issues with a conditional approval.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Greg Hoyes, AC, CFM
Plan Reviewer
Hamilton County Surveyor's Office
One Hamilton County Square, Suite 188
Noblesville, IN 46060
Phone: (317) 776-8495
Fax: (317) 776 - 9 62 8
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Greg and Scott,
Here are the revised Site plan and Utility Plan illustrating the relocation
of the regulated drain and the revised storm sewer system. Cripe is
diligently working on the detailed engineering plans based on this final
layout and are planning on submit those early next week to all the TAC
members. Any comments r~ceived thus far shall also be addressed at that
time.
Miles,
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From: Littlejohn, David W
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11 :08 AM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: Plan Com. comments
Angie,
There are a couple of items on tonight's agenda that still have not shown me any revised plans concerning my TAC
comments. Incase any of these issues are discussed tonight I have provided my concerns below. Let me know if you
need anything else and if anyone has any questions or concerns at tonight's meeting I would be happy to answer them.
West Carmel Retail (Meijer Outlot A) comments were - show bike parking (minimum of 4 spots) that complies with city
ordinance, provide a 10' asphalt path (Brian Cross said they would consider contributing to NRTF since there is already a
5' sidewalk in place), and show ADA compliance at all crosswalks.
~eston Park, lot 2 Mike's Carwash omments were - show bike parking (minimum of 4 spots) that complies with city
tX( ~rdinance, provide a connec Ion 0 e site from the multi use path along Mich. Rd, and show ADA compliance at all
crosswalks.
David Littlejohn
Alternative Transportation Coordinator
Department of Community Services
City of Carmel
One Civic Sq
Carmel, IN 46032
(317) 571-2306
11120/2007
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From: Brewer, Scott I
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:42 PM
To: 'Chris Wiseman'; Conn, Angelina V; Littlejohn, David W; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Duncan, Gary R; Greg
Hayes
Cc: Jim Shinaver; Dahm, Bill; JERRY DAHM; Wells Terry; Frank Hindes; mefloetker@lawnpride.com;
Grierson, Cheri; Sara Farny; Sherri Wilson; bill@johnsonbros-sign.com
Subject: RE: Team Meeting at my Office Monday 11/19 at 1 :30 pm : Mikes Car Wash: November 20 Plan
Commission department reports
Attachments: Trees in Parking Lots Mark Timmons.doc; Native species.doc
Thank you Chris;
Sorry you missed the meeting last Friday. We had some preliminary discussions on the types of landscaping that Greg
Hoyesand the Hamilton County Surveyor's Office would allow in the drainage easement: it is my understanding that they
will allow grasses and herbaceous plants, but discourage anything with a woody stem in the easement.
The main problem is coming up with the number of trees required by the Carmel/Clay Land Use Ordinance, and then
getting them all in the various areas they need to go. Here are some advanced ideas which might help your clients fit the
required numbers of trees on the site by providing the soil rootIng volumes needed for them to grow, while providing the
pavement area which they need for the site.
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Though I have yet to receive a "final" version of the landscape plan from Miles at Lawn Pride, I did receive a version
during Friday'smeeting. It shows trees in the drainage easement that will not be allowed by the Surveyor's Office, but
perhaps some other areas that might receive some additional trees. While I know that you are trying to be a good
neighbor to the bank, in light of the reduction of trees required by the drainage easement, I would suggest the shade trees
might be more in order on the north east corner of the lot.
My suggestion would be to plant as many as possible that can be planted on site.
It looks as if the Greenbelt plant numbers should be 202 linear feet that includes 3 shade trees and 1 ornamental tree plus
a 6 wide foot planting strip that includes 2 shade trees, 3 ornamental trees and 30 shrubs per 100 linear feet (10 shade
trees, 8 ornamental trees, and 60 shrubs). The remaining perimeter would include an "A" level buffer of 3 shade trees, 2
ornamental trees and 9 shrubs per 100 linear feet. It appears the remaining perimeter is about 630 feet. That translates
into 19 shade trees, 12 ornamental trees, and 57 shrubs according to the US 421 Michigan Road Overlay Zone.
I look forward to receiving the updated landscaping plan, and working with you to resolve these Issues. You may contact
me by phone or email, whichever is easier.
Scott Brewer, City Forester
Environmental Planner, DOCS
City of Carmel,
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
PH: 317-571-2478
FAX: 317-571-2426
From: Chris Wiseman [mailto:cwiseman@cripe.biz]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:18 PM
11120/2007
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To: Conn{ Angelina V; Brewer, Scott I; Littlejohn, David W; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Duncan, Gary R; Greg Hoyes
Cc: Jim Shinaver; Dahm, Bill; JERRY DAHM; Wells Terry; Frank Hindes; mefloetker@lawnpride.com; Grierson{ Cheri; Sara
Farny; Sherri Wilson; bill@johnsonbros-sign.com
Subject: RE: Team Meeting at my Office Monday 11/19 at 1:30 pm : Mikes Car Wash: November 20 Plan Commission
department reports
Greg and Scott,
Here are the revised Site Plan and Utility Plan illustrating the relocation of the regulated drain and the revised storm sewer
system. Cripe is diligently working on the detailed engineering plans based on this final layout and are planning on submit
those early next week to all the TAC members. Any comments received thus far shall also be addressed at that time.
Miles,
Please forward a PDF of the revised Landscape Plan illustrating the planting thatshall be located within the regulated
drainage easements, which is the area to the north of the building and then the island to the west of the site between the
entrance and exit to the site.
See everyone tomorrow night.
Thanks
Chris
Chris Wiseman. PE
Project Manager
Cripe Architects + Engineers
7172 Graham Road
Indianapolis, Indiana 46250
Phone: (317) 845-7129
Mobile Phone: (317) 997-6441
Fax: (317) 841-4798
Email: <cwiseman@cripe.biz>
-----Original Message-----
From: ChriS Wiseman
Sent: Mon{ November 19{ 2007 9:31 AM
To: 'Aconn@carmel.in.gov'; 'SBrewer@carmel.in.gov'; 'd littlejohn@carmel.in.gov'; 'MHollibaugh@carmel.in.gov';
'gduncan@carmel.in.gov'
Cc: 'Jim Shinaver'; Dahm{ Bill; JERRY DAHM; Wells Terry; Frank Hindes; mefloetker@lawnpride.com; Grierson{
Cheri
Subject: RE: Team Meeting at my Office Monday 11/19 at 1:30 pm : Mikes Car Wash: November 20 Plan
Commission department reports
Angie.
Here is the letter addressing your comments. FYI..Mikes Express successfully met with Greg Hoyes and Scott
Brewer thiS past Friday to discuss the landscaping around the site. Updated site plan and utility plan shall be
forwarded to their attention this morning for evaluation as well as revised Landscape Plans by end of day. If you
have any questions feel free to give me a call. See you tomorrow night.
Thanks
11/20/2007
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Angelina Conn
Planning Administrator
One Civic Square
Carmel, IN 46032
RE: Mike's Carwash #35 Weston Pork, Lot 2(07090014 DP/ADLS-Developmenl Plan and
Architecture, Design, Landscaping, Lighting, Signage Applications)
Dear Angelina:
This letter is in response to your letter dated October 31,2007 to Jim Shinaver of Nelson
& Frankenberger.
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packets.
Response: Jim ShinaVer of Nelson J ,Frankenberg~r filed this document to DOCS
on 11-09-07.
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Provide the filled out and notarized affidavit of notice of public hearing page of
the application.
Response: Jim Shinaver of Nelson J Frankenberger filed this document to DOCS
on 11-09-07.
oy Provide the filled out Notice of Public Hearing page of the application.
Response: Jim Shlnaver of Nelson J Frankenberger filed this document to DOCS
on "-09-07.
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Response: Jim Shinaver of Nelson J Frankenberger filed this document to DOCS
on 11-09-07.
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Provide a copy of the Official List of Adjacent Property Owners from the Hamilton
County Auditor's Office.
Response: Jim Shinaver of Nelson J Frankenberger filed this document to DOCS
on 11-09-07.
O-V- /" Please provide copies of your correspondence with T AC members.
Response: Cripe shall forward all correspondence from TAC members as they are
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Please provide digital copies of the site plan and building elevations, as PDF files.
Response: A compact disk of files shall be supplied along with the Engineered
Development Plans once they are issued.
Provide your site plan overlaid upon an aerial photo. Possibly include the LA
Fitness site plan on it.
Response: Comment noted. Exhibit included in PC packets.
Bring material/color samples to the Plan Commission meeting.
Response: Petitioner sho'll bring this board to meeting 11.20-07.
Note: the Plan Commission may have the petitioner commit to not displaying
stuffed animals on the site.
Response: Taken into consid~ration.
&I( Please label the building square footage.
Response: Label shall be added to Site Plan documents with Development Plans.
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Mr. Bill Dahm
Mike I s Express Carwashes, lnc.
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Response: Revised plans shall include this request.
()\L-~ Show/label easements on the site plan.
Response: Comment noted. Revised plan shall show 011 vacated, existing and
proposed eosements.
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Please show/label the correct setbacks on the site plan: 15-ft side and rear
building setback lines, and 5-ft side/rear buffer yard setbacks.
Response: Setbacks have been properly updated on the site plan.
Is a building permitted to be located over the 30-ft Regulated Drain Easement?
Response: The existing easement and storm sewer will have to be vacated and
relocated, respectively. The revised drawing shall illustrate this condition.
(;/-;{ Please provide drainage calculations.
Response: Drainage calculations shall be included once the engineered plans
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Pleose label each elevation on the building elevations with north, south, east,
and west as appropriate.
Response: This was done on the drawings submitted for Plan Commission review.
On Sheet A301, it shows multiple wall signs (labeled E-l0). Please correct.
Response: This was revised on the drawings submitted for Plan Commission
review.
The minimum building height [s 20-ft; please modify your building, which shows
less than 20-ft.
Response: This was revised on the drawings submitted for Plan Commission
review.
Please make sure you finish the cornice returns on the parapet walls.
Mr. Bill Dohm
Mike's Express Carwashes, Inc.
November 19, 2007
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Response: This is the case and is illustrated on the drawings submitted for Plan
Commission review.
cr;r Verify that the light fixtures have flat lenses and 90-degree cutoffs.
Response: The lighting consultant shall illustrate this design approach in the
design of the photometric pion.
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Please provide the wall sconce light details/specifications.
Response: The lighting consultant sholl include this details and specification on
the revised plan.
/r;:( 2;.l lease amend the photometric plan: foot-candles should be less than or equal
~o 0,3 at the road right of way line and property lines.
Response: Petitioners is in the process of ocquiring this revised plan.
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Landscape Plan: please show/label all easements and building setbacks.
Response: Landscape Plan shall illustrate all utilities and easements.
Landscape Plan: there is a conflict with the parking lot canopy/island and some
proposed tree locations.
Response: Revised plan shall eliminate these concerns.
Ple.ose provide the curb and pavements specifications/details.
Response: Revised Development plan shall include these specifications; and
details even though the City of Carmel Department Engineering has no
jurisdiction since project is located outside of corporate limits.
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Response: Petifioners and Design Team shall investigate this option as well as
other LEED or "screen" site design practices.
Mr. Bill Dahm
Mike's Express COrNashes, Inc.
November 19 , 2007
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Response: The petitioner shall use a high albedo, white roofing membrane on
the flat portions of the primary building.
Please provide the trash dumpster enclosure details/elevations.
Response: This was done on the drawings submitted for plan Commission review.
~,. Please provide the bike parking details/locatIon.
Response: Revised Development plans shall Illustrate the detailed location of the
bike parking.
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your site.
Response: The site plan shall illustrate the existing concrete walk along Michigan
Road and the Petitioner is evaluating the connectivity to site.
Please show/label the previously approved multi-tenont ground sign location on
your site.
Response: Existing signage shall be clearly labeled on the site plan.
Please show/label all proposed ground signs on the site plan and landscape
plan.
Response: The revised site plan and landscape plan shalllllustrate all proposed
signage.
Please label the sign materials and provide the signage details/specs.
Response: The signage consultant shall include these details and specification in
his resubmitted drawings.
Will the wall sign have black or white text? Or, can it be day /nite plex with
black/white.
Mr. Bill Dahm
Mike's Express Carwashes, Inc.
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Response: The sign letters will be white box letters with a black frame.
BZA: variance approval will be required from Chapter 25:07.02~08.c, for a wall
sign greater than 40 sq ft.
Response: The applicant has applied for variances described herein.
BIA: variance approval will be required from Chapter 25.07.05, for the total
number of parking spaces. Please verify.
Response: The applicant has applied for variances described herein.
BZA: a variance may be needed from Chapter 27.08 for reduced number of
parking spaces. Please verify.
Response: The applicant has applied for variances described here_in.
BZA: a variance may be needed from Chapter 23C.l 0 for the reduction of
foundation planting. Please check with City Forester, Scott Brewer, to see if these
plantings may be placed elsewhere on site.
Response: The applicant has applied for variances described herein.
8ZA: variance approval will pe required, from chapter 23C.09.D of the zoning
ordnance, because the bul1ding does not show 8-ft projections or' recessions at
intervals of not greater than 60-ft.
Response: The applicant has applied for variances described herein.
BZA: variance approval will be required, from Chapter 23C.l 0.02.1 for a
reduction of the 30-ft greenbelt.
Response: The appiicant has applied for variances described herein.
Mr. BiI! Dahm
Mike's Express Carwashes, Inc.
November 19, 2007
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Response: The applicant has applied for variances described herein.
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From: Jim Shinaver [JimS@NF-LAW.COM]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 200710:01 AM
To: Conn, Angelina V; Holmes, Christine B; Hoilibaugh, Mike P
Cc: Dahm, Bill; JERRY DAHM; Wells Terry; Frank Hindes; Chris Wiseman; mefloetker@lawnpride.com
Subject: Mikes Car Wash : November 20 Plan Commission department reports
Attachments: PCR-2007-1120.pdf; WestClay EDA.pdf; WestClay economic developmemt plan resolutionDOC; PC-
2007-1120 REVISED.pdf
Angie - Thank you for the Staff Report for the above matler. Please note we are meeting this afternoon at 1 :30 pm with
Greg Hoyes and at 2:30 with Scott Brewer regarding items #1 and #3 in your Staff Report. I will email you a summary of
our meetings with Scott and Greg prior to the Tuesday 11/20 PC meeting so that you will be updated. I will also have
Chris Wiseman follow up with the Hamilton County Highway Dept. for item #2 in your Staff Report and provide you an
update. Finally, if Chris has not already addressed items #4 and #5. j will ask that he do so prior to Tuesday's
meeting. Thanks jim
Chris -Please note items #2, #4, and #5 in the attached repbrt. Please respond to these and contact me with any
questions. Thanks for your help on this, jim
Jim Shinaver
Nelson & Frankenberger
3105 E. 98th Street, Suite 170
Indianapolis, In. 46280
317 -844-01 06
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From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov]
:Sent: ThursdaYI November 151 2007 3:43 PM
To: Angie Molt; Boone, Rachel M.; Brewerl Scott I; Bruce Smith; Carolyn Schleif; Coy, Sue E; Donahue-Woldl Alexia K;
Dorman, Jay; Duncanl Gary R; Ellison, Christopher M; Hancock, Ramona B; Heck, Nancy S; Hollibaughl Mike P; Holmesl
Christine B; Jeffrey Cohen; John Molitor; Keeling, Adrienne M; Kevin Heber; Kevin Rider; Leo Dierckman; Linda Burdett -
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Eric; Steve Stromquist; Stewart, Lisa M; Susan Westermeier; Tingley, Connie S; Haneywh@aol.com
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bdahm@mikescarwash.com; cwiseman@cripe,biz; wabsci@aol.com
Subject: November 20 Plan Commission department reports
Good afternoon! Please note the following:
11/16/2007
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FREDRIC LA WRENCE
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JANE 8. MERRILL
3105 EAST 98TH STR EET
SUITE 170
INDIANAPOLiS, IN 46280
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November 9, 2007
VIA HAND DELIVERY
Christine Barton-Holmes
City of Carmel
Department of Community Services
RE: Mikes Car Wash Michigan Road
Docket No. 07090014 ADLS/DP
November 20, 2007 Plan Commission Hearing
Brochure Submittal
Dear Christine -
Enclosed please find eighteen (18) informational brochures and the filing fee check for
this matter.
Please be sure this matter is placed on the Plan Commission's agenda for their November
20th meeting. Thanks for your assistance in this matter and contact me with any questions.
Very truly yours,
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2 10/30107 Landscape Plan (24 x 36)
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October 30, 2007
Dear T AC members,
This projed has previously been filed by Jim Shinaver with Nelson and Frankenberger Law Offices
for Development Plan and ADLS applicaHons. The docke'l number assigned to this projed is
#07090014 DP/ADLS and the official name shall be Mike's Express Car Wash store No. 35-
Michigan Road. This filing sholl complete the application, and we request to be heard at the
November 14 T AC meeting. If there ore any questions or comments feel free 10 call me at 317-
845-7129.
Sincerely,
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Chris Wiseman, P.E.
Project Manager
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From: Frank Hindes [fhindes@cripe.biz]
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:14 PM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Cc: Chris Wiseman; Holmes, Christine B; bdahm@mikescarwash.com; jdahm@mikescarwash.com;
jims@nf-Iaw.com; Chris Wiseman; client contact
Subject: RE: mike's carwash, lot 2 WesHolmes, Christine Bton park
Thank you for your input. We will need to toke a look at that for a variance also. due to the linear
nature of the tunnel function, that would be difficult to accomplish. We have incorporated 0 2'-8" offset
on the south elevation.
From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 20073:04 PM
To: Frank Hindes
Cc: Chris Wiseman; Holmes, Christine B
Subject: mike's carwash, lot 2 WesHolmes, Christine Stan park
Frank - the only other major issue I could find with the site plan, is that the building does not show 8-ft projections
or recessions at intervals of not greater than 60-ft, since the building is over 90-ft in length. Please see chapter
23C.09.D of the zoning ordnance.
I look forward to receiving the final plans on October 30, for TAC review.
Angie Conn, Planning Administrator
Dept. of Community Services - Planning & Zoning
1 Civic Square, 3rd Floor
City of Cannel, IN 46032
p.317-571-2417 f.317-571-2426
aconn@carmel.in.gov
10/16/2007
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From: Jim Shinaver [JimS@NF-LAW.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:24 AM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: FW: Docket No. Assignment: (DP/ADLS) Weston Park, Lot 2 - Mike's Garwash (#07090014
DP/ADLS)
Angie - After I sent you the email below, I realized that if we submit our TAC filing by 10/30 and appear before
TAG on 11/14, we could then appear before the PC on 11/20. With this in mind, please keep this matter on the
agenda for the PC meeting on 11/20. Please email back confirmation of this request and contact me with any
questions. jim
Jim Shinaver
Nelson & Frankenberger
3105 E. 98th Street, Suite 170
Indianapolis, In. 46280
317-844-0106
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From: Jim Shinaver
Sent: Friday, September 28, 20079:30 AM
To: 'Conn, Angelina V'
Subject: RE: Docket No. Assignment: (DPjADLS) Weston Park, Lot 2 - Mike's Carwash (#07090014 DPjADLS)
Angie - Thanks for the docket number information and filing fee information below. I did want to advise you that
while we will be moving forward on this matter, we will not be attempting to attend the November PC meeting
because we want to be sure that we have all plans and drawings prepared to both the Staff's satisfaction and our
satisfaction. The TAC submittal for the November PC hearing is due by 10/2 and we don't want to submit
incomplete plans. Early next week I anticipate sending you another email with a revised schedule for attending
the November TAC meeting and the December PC meeting. Thanks and contact me with any questions. jim
Jim Shinaver
Nelson & Frankenberger
3105 E. 98th Street, Suite 170
Indianapolis, In. 46280
317-844-0106
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From: Jim Shinaver [JimS@NF-LAW.COM]
Sent: Friday, September 28, 20079:30 AM
To: Conn, Angelina V
Subject: RE: Docket No. Assignment: (DP/ADLS) Weston Park, Lot 2 - Mike's Carwash (#07090014
DP/ADLS)
Angie - Thanks for the docket number information and filing fee information below. I did want to advise you that
while we will be moving forward on this matter, we will not be attempting to attend the November PC meeting
because we want to be sure that we. have all plans and drawings prepared to both the Staff's satisfaction and our
satisfaction. The TAC submittal for the November PC hearing is due by 10/2 and we don't want to submit
incomplete plans. Early next week I anticipate sending you another email with a revised schedule for attending
the November TAG meeting and the December PC meeting. Thanks and contact me with any questions. jim
Jim Shinaver
Nelson & Frankenberger
3105 E. 98th Street, Suite 170
Indianapolis, In. 46280
317 -844-0106
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From: Conn, Angelina V [mailto:Aconn@carmel.in.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:37 PM
To: Stewart, Lisa M
Cc: Coy, Sue E; Hollibaugh, Mike P; Keeling, Adrienne M; Brewer, Scott I; Hancock, Ramona B; Brennan, Kevin 5;
Littlejohn, David W; DeVore, Laura B; Lillard, Sarah N; Holmes, Christine B; jmolitor@prodigy.net; Boone, Rachel
M.; Tingley, Connie 5; Duncan, Gary R; Donahue-Wold, Alexia K; bdahm@mikescarwash.com; Jim Shinaver; Chris
Wiseman; Frank E. Hindes
Subject: Docket No. Assignment: (DPjADLS) Weston Park, Lot 2 - Mike's Carwash (#07090014 DP/ADLS)
I have issued the necessary Docket Number for (DP/ADLS) Weston Park, lot 2 - Mike's Carwash. It is the
following:
lication Fee:
lication Fee:
er acre x 1 :
Total Fee:
$ 834.00
$ 834.00
$111.00
$1,779.00
Docket No. 07090014 DP/ADLS: Weston Park, lot 2 . Mike's Carwash
The applicant seeks site plan and design approval for a car wash.
The site is located at 10580 Michigan Rd. and is zoned 1-1/lndustrial within the US 421 Overlay.
Filed by Jim Shinaver of Nelson & Frankenberger for Mike's Car Wash Inc.
9/28/2007
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From: Duncan, Gary R
Sent: Wednesday, September 26,20078:36 AM
To: 'Dahm Jerry'
Cc: Dahm, Bill; Conn, Angelina V; Hollibaugh, Mike P; McBride, Mike T
Subject: RE: 106th St @ Michigan Rd. Improvements
Mr. Dahm,
Thank you for your email.
As you are aware, annexation of this area into the City of Carmel was just recently approved. Under the terms of
the annexation, the City will not likely take maintenance or other responsibility for this roadway for some time. Due
to this fact, the City does not have any design plans for this roadway that could be reviewed.
This area, while not part of the City, is under the planning and zoning jurisdiction of the City. As a result, the City's
20-year Thoroughfare Plan applies to this roadway. The current plan for this segment of roadway indicates a
Residential Parkway with a 1 OO-foot[50-foot hal~ right-of-way. Since it is a parkway in what would be considered
a narrow right-of-way, it is likely that the roadway would be constructed as a 2-lane roadway (one lane in each
direction) with a median. The City typically constructs the outside curb 48-feet apart (or farther) to allow removal
of the median and construction of additional travel lanes if needed. However, given the parkway nature of the
designation, it would be desired by the City to maintain the median. Long term development and traffic would
likely drive such a decision in the future.
As the road segment approaches Michigan Road, the nature of the cross section would likely change to
accommodate the traffic at the intersection and will likely be a 4-lane (or more) section. This would need to be
evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
Specifically, which piece are you looking to develop? Without firm plan~ for the roadway, the City would require
dedication of the 50-foot half right-of-way to allow the roadway to be developed in accordance with the 20-year
Thoroughfare Plan.
Gary
Gary R Duncan Jr., P.E.
Assistant City Engineer
City of Carmel
Department of Engineering
One Civic Square
Carmel, Indiana 46032
(317) 571-2441
(317) 571-2439 (fax)
gduncan@carmel.in.gov
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From: Dahm Jerry [mailto:jdahm@MikesExpress.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 16:27
To: Duncan, Gary R
Cc: Dahml Bill
Subject: 106th St @ Michigan Rd. Improvements
Gary,
We are working with Mike Holibaugh and Angie Conn of Carmel Planning to develop a Mike's Carwash on the
Weston Park property owned by Kite. I am looking for information concerning future improvements on 106th St;
we have been told by Kite that four lanes are planned in the near future. We would like to view the plans if
9/27/2007
Conn, Angelina V
From:
Sent:
To:
Subject:
Doug Pedersen [dpedersen@kiterealty.com]
Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:25 AM
HollibaUgh, Mike P; Conn, Angelina V
Fw: Mikes Car Wash
Attachments:
K-03009 DP 26 MIKES CAR WASH 2007-09-1811 x 17 MIKES.pdf
K-03009 DP 25
lIKES CAR WASH 2.
Mike
We will be discussing the attached concept plan
showing a reduced buffer and stacking in front.
this happen.
Thanks
----- Original Message
From: Michael Brandon
To: Doug Pedersen
Sent; Tue Sep 18 16;58:11 2007
Subject; Mikes Car Wash
Michael Brandon I Manager! CAD Services
317 577-5645 [direct]
317 577 5600 [main]
317 577 5605 [fax]
Kite Realty Group
30 South Meridian Street, Suite 1100
Indianapolis! IN 46204
today. You will notice that we are
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Dear Mr. Wiseman:
We have reviewed the construction plans submitted to the Hamilton County Surveyor's
Office on January 11, 2008~ for thi.s project and have the following comments:
1. The proposed project falls in the unincorporated area and MS4 jurisdiction of
Hamilton County.
2. The proposed projectfa1l$ in the Park Northwestern Regulated Drain Watershed.
Part of the Weston Park Ann of the Park Northwestern Regulated Drain is located
within the project limits.
3. The detention for this site was master planned with the design of Weston Park.
4. Please submit the following procedural items: petition for recanstnlction (52.5
signed by Kite Michigan Road LLC), an outletpetmit (2 outlets) for the direct
discharge to the Park Northwestern Regulated Drain,. an individual non-
enforcement agreement for the encroachment of stonn sewers, signs, d.riveways,
and tandscapjng (foUl'ltain grasses) in the Park Northwestern Regulated Drain
easement, engineers estimate for the reconstruction only, and a bond for 120% of
the te<<lnstruction cost. The application is available on our web site at
htto:/IW\oVw.coJlamilton.in.us. gO to Departments, Surveyor, and Forms,
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5. Please subm.it a copy of'a recorded easement (on our Drainage Easement form on
the website) for any new pipe that is not cUlTently in platted easement. The
easement form will need to be signed by Kite Michigan Road LLC. as they are the
JlIQpeIty owners. The easement will need to be 15 feet each direction front the
centerline on the new regulated drain. Please subnrit the easement form to me for
review prior to recording to make sure HCSO is in agreement with the doownent.
6. . Please include a P & P sheet for the regulated (Irain reconstruction in the
construction plans. Note, HCSO does not aJ.low ('doghouse" type structures.
7. Please include the fallowing HCSO Standard Details in the plans: D-18, D~23, and
CT 01. Pleas.e remove detail C-l from the plans.
8. The private road forWeston Park must be repair to the satisfaction of Kite and an
acceptance sign offwilt be required from them prior to bond release.
9. Post construction water quality issues will need to be approved by Bob Thompson
ofHCSO prior to construction plans approvals.
10. Please note that further comments may be necessary at a later date.
Should you have any questions. I can be reached at 317-776,;8495.
Sincerely.
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Plan Reviewer
cc: CbristineBarton-Hohnes - Cannel DOCD
Robert Thompson ~ HCSO
Dick Hill - Cannel Engineering
Greg rtko - Crossroad Engineem
Jim Shin aver - Nelson & Fnmkenberga
8in Dahm - Mike's Express Carwash