HomeMy WebLinkAboutCRC-02-19-02CRC Minutes, February 19, 2002
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CARMEL REDEVELOPMENT COMMISSION Meeting, Tuesday, February 19, 2002.
President Rick Roesch called the meeting to order at 9:05 a.m. Commission members
present were Luci Snyder and Ed Burke, constituting a quorum. Also present were Kelli
Hahn, Les Olds, Steve Engelking; Mayor Brainard, Matt Price, Mike Shaver, Sherry S.
Mielke, Kate Weese, Stu Hirsch, Nick Kestner. Mr. Carter and Mr. Koven arrived shortly
after the meeting began. Mike Hollibaugh was also present during part of the meeting.
Phyllis Morrissey as support staff.
Mr. Roesch asked for a motion to change the order of the agenda, to delay the election of
officers till later in the meeting. So moved by Ms. Snyder and seconded by Mr. Burke.
The motion was approved.
Approval of Minutes
Mr. Burke moved the minutes of the January 9, 2002, meeting be approved. Following a
second by Ms. Snyder, the motion was unanimously approved.
Mr. Burke moved the minutes of the January 15, 2002, meeting be approved. Following a
second by Ms. Snyder, the motion was unanimously approved.
Kestner Lease Proposal
Mr. Kestner has not yet moved out of his building at 912 S. Range Line Road. He
proposes to be out by March 1, and as compensation pay to the CRC the February rents
from the tenants, Pizza King, Cool Beans and Muldoon’s, which will total $6,677.42. On
March 1, Mr. Kestner will no longer be responsible for any of the operating expenses of
the rental properties. He gave a list of account numbers to Mr. Roesch to aid in the
transfer.
There was considerable discussion about when Mr. Kestner’s new building was ready for
occupancy and what the lease required. [Mr. Haas arrived during this discussion.]
Mr. Burke moved the CRC accept Mr. Kestner’s proposal for being out of the Range Line
building by March 1st, with the CRC receiving the February rents and Mr. Kestner paying
the February expenses. Following a second by Mr. Carter, the motion was unanimously
approved.
Mr. Engelking and Mr. Kestner will work out the final details on the transfer of the
expenses and utilities.
Mr. Haas gave abstracts of the leases to Mr. Engelking.
Election of Officers
For the office of President, Ms. Snyder nominated Mr. Roesch and Mr. Koven seconded
the nomination. Mr. Carter moved the nominations be closed. Following a second by Mr.
Burke, the motion was unanimously approved. The nomination was approved.
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For the office of Vice President, Ms. Snyder nominated Mr. Burke and Mr. Carter
seconded the nomination. Mr. Carter moved the nominations be closed. This was
unanimously approved following a second. The nomination was approved.
For the office of Secretary, Mr. Koven nominated Ms. Snyder and Mr. Carter seconded
the nomination. Mr. Burke moved the nominations be closed. This motion was
unanimously approved and the nomination was approved.
Mr. Haas said the Council and Mayoral appointments should be made by the end of the
year so the election of officers could take place in January. It was noted that officers from
a previous year can stay in place, but only for thirty days. Councilors said since new
councilors take office the first of the year, it would not be feasible for CRC appointments
to be made before the end of the year.
Report from the Mayor
Mayor Brainard has met several times with the owners of Muldoon’s/Cool Beans and
they would like to build one or two buildings next to Shapiro’s. He sent them on to Karl.
Pizza King owner has contacted Steve and has been told to talk to Karl also.
Mayor Brainard continued: A local hairdresser has indicated an interest to go into a back
building. A local software company with eighty employees wants 14,000 square feet.
Their current lease is up in about fifteen months so they are interested in one of the office
buildings. Three local banks have approached Mayor Brainard about the northwest corner
of Range Line Road and City Center Drive. He noted the site will require a retaining
wall.
“Another office builder has indicated an interest, so it looks like we’re going to get at
least one of the office buildings off the ground.”
Further discussion will be done in Executive Session.
Mayor Brainard said there was also a major department store which had indicated an
interest.
Ms. Snyder expressed a concern about the size of a department store. Mayor Brainard
said it would be a smaller boutique for the department store.
Discussion followed about the importance of establishing some guidelines for what
would work best in the area. It was noted that whatever is planned will have to be
somewhat flexible. This will be addressed further in the strategic planning session.
Report from the Director
Demolition of Old Town site should start next week, following removal of the asbestos
by SESCO.
Report from the Engineer
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Ms. Weese: On the City Center Drive streetscape, 56% of the total contract has been paid
out. The balance is for the streetlights which are not in yet and the retainage that’s been
held back. There are a couple of small items on the punch list which need to be corrected.
On the Old Town site, only about one fourth of that site is grassy area. Before we had
drainage that didn’t work real well because it wasn’t graded to drain fast. We’re going to
do everything we can to get the storm drainage to direct deposit into the drainpipes on the
east and west side. But if detention is necessary because those pipe sizes weren’t
designed to accommodate a more fully impervious site, we may have to have AMLI
design into the plan some underground detention. AMLI will pay for a portion of that
detention facility, but if some detention becomes necessary just because there was none
before and the site as developed can’t dump into the old town storm sewers, we may have
to design some very minimal system. I wanted the CRC to be aware of that because there
would be some expenses paid by the CRC in that case.
Report from DOCS Liaison
Ms. Hahn distributed some update info on the C-1 and C-2 ordinance changes and the
Lumberyard mall rezone. All are public hearing items tonight at the Plan Commission.
We can discuss these further at a later meeting.
Mr. Carter asked Mr. Engelking if he knew how long the Old Town demolition would
take. Mr. Engelking said it is scheduled to be down in six weeks. Disassembling the
metal building so it can be reused will take the most time. Mr. Carter once again noted
the importance of timeliness on the demolition because of the Monon Trail usage. Brief
discussion followed.
Financial Report
Ms. Mielke distributed a 2001 end of the year report. This is balanced with the financial
books of the City. The February 1, 2002, balance is $1,850,989.00.
“TIF debt service for 2001 is in January 2002 because the Auditor’s office handed out
their results late. You do see the debt service for the entire year. The last six months was
paid by the general fund and there was a transfer to CRC so we can now obtain the
revenue.”
Ms. Mielke continued: Working with Phyllis Williams in the County Assessor’s office,
I’ll be developing a model which we can use to forecast the TIF revenues. It will be
available after March 1.
Mr. Roesch asked who is doing the paperwork on the grant and can we specifically count
on that to match the cash flow.
Ms. Mielke said Mr. Engelking would be receiving the application for the HUD money
[grant]. The money [$1,000,000] will be available sixty days after the completed
application is received at HUD. We can draw upon it directly once it is received.
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Mayor Brainard said the money was a “sure thing” but might actually take ninety days to
come in.
Mr. Burke: Sherry, the critical point is that you and Steve are fully aware that it is very
critical that the application be sent out [in a timely manner].
Ms. Mielke: Absolutely.
Mr. Koven asked about the time frame of payments for the reflecting pond work.
Mr. Olds: You have to pay as you go. The contractor cannot survive without monthly
draws. The contractor has a schedule that we have established. He builds against that.
Invoices will be to CSO ten days prior to when packets are mailed to the CRC members,
so we can approve them. We’ve also told them that the Commission will pay for
materials due to the time frame. We’ve asked them to get all the materials on order right
now so if there’s any problems we’ll know early. We will pay the value of the materials
at the time of delivery to the site. The contractor is submitting samples to us at CSO. I’d
like to ask the Commission for permission to approve the stone sample which goes
around the base of the pond and the brick for the pavilions which is going to match the
color on the AMLI project. There’s still the issue of the bottom color of the pond which
we’re hopefully going to resolve soon. We’re trying to find some two foot ponds to take a
look at.
Again it was noted the critical issue of when the grant payment is received. Discussion
followed. Mr. Koven said we should have an alternative plan in place if the grant money
is late. General agreement. Mr. Koven also noted monthly rents would be received
beginning in February. Security deposits from the tenants will be assigned to the CRC.
Mr. Roesch thanked Ms. Mielke for her work on the financial reports and also Mr. Burke
for his extra help.
Mr. Koven asked if we had closed on AMLI yet. Mr. Haas said we had not because of a
problem with the survey from Cripe. Mr. Engelking had to switch to Wiehe Engineers to
do the survey work. Disappointment was expressed with Cripe’s work. Ms. Weese noted
there may have been some confusion between a land title survey and a site survey.
Report from Attorney
Ms. Haas: A notice was sent to Mr. Renken, Village Cleaners, notifying him that the well
would have to be capped for two reasons. One was to prevent the possible spread of
contamination through the well and the hazardous nature of the water. The second is that
there was no right under the lease for Mr. Renken to use the well. It was then capped on
Friday while we were still trying to get a hearing set for the eviction. We received notice
that Mr. Renken would be vacating on February 23. That will permit the continuation of
the demolition. We still have a lawsuit pending against Mr. Renken because of two parts,
one is for the eviction, which presumably won’t be necessary now and the other is for the
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damages resulting from his contamination of the premises and his default of the lease. I
expect we’ll be adding to that some damage claims for his delaying the demolition.
They [Renken] have asked whether we want them to remove the equipment or whether
we want to take care of it.
Discussion followed. Mr. Olds said the equipment in there has to be decommissioned
[removed according to guidelines]. It was decided to have SESCO make arrangements
for removing the equipment, following a quote from them for $2500. [This figure was
received later in the meeting and once the amount was known, Mr. Burke moved the
CRC approve up to $2500 for SESCO to do the equipment removal. Following a second
by Ms. Snyder, the motion was unanimously approved.]
The estimated cost to remobilize for the demolition is $6500.
Mr. Olds in response to a question from Mr. Koven: The demolition contract calls for the
parking lot to be removed, leaving a line in front of Goodyear. We moved south all the
way up to a sixty foot strip which we are leaving as part of Shapiro’s agreement for their
staging area. That’s the last little piece that has to come out under this contract. All the
areas around the utility poles also have to come out. The former parking lot will be hydo-
seeded.
Mr. Haas continued his report.
On Sherwin Williams, the judge reversed himself on the decision which had been very
favorable to the Redevelopment Commission. It’s now a jury decision under his ruling as
to the period of damages which could be from one to eleven years. That doesn’t mean
they necessarily will be allowed to [inaudible] but there’s a possibility of that. A new trial
date has not yet been set. I’ve instructed our counsel to postpone our trial as long as he
can. Again if we need to we can plead the money into court but I don’t see any reason to
do that either, because the premises are down now. Sometime maybe years from now we
can pay them some money if necessary. We have sent them a notice regarding their
contamination. Their corporate response was, “What do we [CRC] have to document the
facts as set forth in the notice to them?”, which was a little bit amusing because one of
the facts that I set forth was that they had done nothing to clean up the contamination. Of
course, there’s no documentation of them not doing anything, being difficult to prove a
negative. My guess is we’ll either have to add a claim to the lawsuit against Sherwin
Williams for the contamination or file a separate suit. I’m still hoping to get the whole
matter settled.
Mr. Koven asked what the CRC’s potential exposure was with Sherwin Williams. Mr.
Haas replied $385,000 according to the court appointed appraisers. Using our appraisers’
estimates it would be $7,000. So the range is from $385,000 to $7,000 minus the
contamination. For the budget, take the two and add them together then take the average.
Putting it in the 2003 budget is safe.
First Indiana Bank
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Mr. Haas received a letter representing First Indiana Bank expressing an interest [again]
for the northwest corner of Range Line Road and City Center Drive. Mr. Olds said the
site is 39,300 square foot but could be expanded to the west. They would pay $7.65 a
square foot for an acre and a quarter. They want a credit against that for $175,000 for the
land at Merchants Square. There was no indication of their time frame.
Mr. Haas continued: We do need to address the relocation of Muldoon’s.
This will be discussed further in Executive Session.
Huffer/Goodyear
Both of our condemnation offers have been rejected. Goodyear rejected it outright.
Huffers allowed the acceptance period to lapse. Right now Huffers and Goodyear are
looking into some sites in the new redevelopment areas to hopefully find a new location.
Report from the Architect
AMLI pylon sign has been resubmitted to them for their comments.
We’ve had a number of discussions about the Shapiro signs and the scope of work the
CRC has committed to per the attached memorandum from Rowland. Mr. Olds
distributed the documents.
This discussion will be continued during the strategic planning session later today.
Field Survey work has been completed for Parcel 5 and 4. Parcel 7 is still being
completed for documentation; the field work is done. On Parcel 4 in your packet you’ve
got the survey with the comment “a buildable site” to avoid any controversy there. Due to
the slope of the ground, the only way would be to build a retaining wall along the north
side. It is also based on the fact that the existing curb cut along Range Line Road is a
shared curb cut, that it straddles the right of way line and the CRC’s use of it would be
shared with the owners of the retail shopping complex to the north. To make the site
buildable it would take about $250,000 for the retaining wall and $100,000 for fill. The
CRC can use this information in determining the sale price of that property.
Mr. Roesch said the CRC had received a proposal and it will be discussed in Executive
Session.
Mr. Olds: One last issue. We have to change the right of way on Parcel 4 and 5. Currently
the right of way runs right through the middle of the property which makes it worthless.
We have to bring the right of ways back into line with City Center Drive. We have legal
descriptions and everything put together for it.
Approval of Invoices
Mr. Carter moved the invoices in the amount of $204,676.41 be approved. Following a
second by Mr. Burke, the motion was unanimously approved.
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Old Business
None
New Business
Mr. Roesch said there were two TIF areas which need to be captured.
Mr. Price distributed plans to the Commission for the review. The areas are being
considered in order to capture the taxes before the March 1, 2002, deadline. Further
analysis will be done in order to confirm the construction currently in progress.
Mr. Shaver: The CRC does not need to make any decisions today. The entire area has
been addressed in the findings. We are only dealing with the part you [the CRC] have
jurisdiction over, but it also addresses the areas which will be annexed in the findings.
This is to save time later on. The question of what to do here is a matter of two things:
how you decide to deal with the portion of the area that’s incorporated versus the area
that is unincorporated. The plan covers the entire area regardless of whether it’s
incorporated or not. In approximately another nine months I would expect that C210 is
going to be inside the City anyway which means that depending on how we sit this
March 1 in terms of capturing the tax increment this could be an important issue or a
non-issue. But there are a number of individual projects within the Old Meridian area and
they have been approved by the Plan Commission. You can declare the entire area as an
economic development area or you can simply pick up part of it and then add
incrementally to it as individual projects come along. That allows you to decide on each
individual project what you are and are not going to pay for.
Basically on the North Illinois Street, the CRC is becoming partners with City and the
Plan Commission on a long term plan to develop a new road corridor. Secondly, on Old
Meridian Street, a lot of money and effort went into the corridor. You are here to say
we’re here to participate in this in whatever way is effective and to “leave that door
open” for the future individual decisions you have to make. You can make those
incrementally or with sweeping gestures over the entire area. There are a number of
options.
It was noted the maps need to be corrected.
Mr. Price: To satisfy the deadline, the CRC needs to adopt a declaratory resolution by
March 1. This will then relate back to the base assessed value of March 2001.
Mr. Price said he needed to verify the area boundaries. If a special meeting is needed it
must be noticed forty-eight hours in advance.
The CRC took a break and reconvened at 11:20 for the strategic planning session.
Strategic Planning Session
This portion of the meeting will be reported via the notes taken by Kelli Hahn. (See
enclosed.)
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Next Meeting
The next meeting will be March 13, at the earlier time of 5 p.m., followed by an
Executive Session.
Adjournment
Mr. Burke moved the meeting be adjourned. Following a second by Ms. Snyder, the
motion was approved and the meeting adjourned at 3:50 p.m.