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HomeMy WebLinkAboutCorrespondence Remonstrance Page 1 of2 Thlgle~\ Connie S From: Pam Walquist [pwalquist@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:16 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; buhderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin 0; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: RE: Softball Complex proposal We have read updates regarding what was discussed at the last meeting, and what will likely be discussed this evening. Now hearing the impact this complex will have on the Cherry Tree Elementary, I have the same questions I had when we first learned of this situation: Why are we stealing from the Elementary Schools to satisfy the requirements to make high schools girls' sports equitable to the high school boys' sports? Why isn't there a proposal to create this complex on high school grounds (are all 4 fields necessary)? Why do the high school girls' softball have to practice and compete off grounds? The only answer I have heard is that the football team utilizes the fields north of the football stadium. Well, what was the answer 20 years ago when Cherry Tree was built? The football stadium didn't exist then, and girls softball team was STILL sent miles away to practice and compete out in the middle of farm land. I also heard it might cost more money, and would potentially disrupt other teams. So that is the reason that we steal space from our elementary schools? Because of the board's lack of foresight and planning? High School sports should be completely accommodated by the High School - for the benefit of the teams, the community, and elementary schools. ~,r~'..~:",~~'::.~<<'~~^"",,"'_"_"'"'-'~"~_'"'""'~_~~~_~"-C:"-o'C-"'"-..."."~^~",!_~...~~n,,,,:_~ From: pwalquist@hotmail.com To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; bunderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; ctingley@ci.carmel.in.us; jgriffiths@carmel.in.gov; rcarter@carmel.in.gov; krider@carmel.in.gov; rsha rp@carmel.in.gov; eseidensticker@carmel.in.gov; jaccetturo@carmel.in.gov; Isnyder@carmel.in.gov; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: Date: Man, 24 Mar 2008 17: 31 :32 +0000 Our name is Pam and Curt Walquist and we are Carmel residents. We will have 2 children attending Prairie Trace Elementary School. Additionally, I was a member of the CHS Varsity Softball Team when I attended CHS, and an 8 year member of the Carmel Dad's Club Softball. I am especially concerned that this school board was not looking out forthe best interests of ALL Carmel school children, and allowed the previous proposal to be considered. Did any board members ever evaluate what this would mean to current/future students at Prairie Trace - who was looking out for them? We ask the board to take four actions in regards to the high school softball complex: 1. Upgrade the Cherry Tree complex to minimize its impact on the neighborhood. 2. Honor the 1997 plans for Prairie Trace and limit the use of its ball fields to practices only. 3. Sign a written agreement with the Haverstick HOA regarding #2. 4/28/2008 Page 2 of2 _. 4~ I;urchase property an the city's west side for a future sports complex. For future major projects like this onel we encourage you to reach out to the taxpayers and parents who will be impacted by your decisions. We can be more understanding when we are involved earlier in the process, not three weeks before a vote, ~ FJlease consider the environment befon,: printing In a rush ?G.~t.r~C1I:time_gnS'I:Vers_~wj:th_W!I)J;:jQli\[sJJYeMes~enger. ,~~_____"~:"~",,,,,",,=~~'_:C_~:-"~J_~.,~~"'=':""".. In a rush? Getre~.l::Jim~j~nsVv'e[s.withYiJm:tQY{~..LjYe_t1.e~SengeL 4/28/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Snyder, Luci Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 20088:25 AM To: Deborah Doodeman; sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; mmcgin ley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: RE: Softball Fields Deborah, Thank you for your thoughts. while this is not a decision of the Council, I am vitally interested in decisions that are important to our citizens. I also believe that their are other choices....Iand the schools already own that is not neighborhood intrusive Luci Snyder-Dist 5 From: Deborah Doodeman [mailto:ddoodeman@indy.rr,com] Sent: Tue 4/15/2008 6: 18 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.neti BUnderwo@ccs,k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us;jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Lucii mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: Softball Fields To all involved in this most important decision: My point will. be succinct. 1\ is my opinion that placing such facilities square in the midst of an already existing residential area is not being a good neighbor. People purchased homes and paid premiums to back up to green space. There are solutions that would be less disruptive to homeowners and they should be taken. Placing softball fields in an established residential community IS NOT THE ONLY PLAN THE SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD HAVE! The debate from me is not whether the children should have this complex. . . I have no issue with that. The debate is . . . does the school board have the right to intrude into an established residential area when there are decidedly better alternatives. Come on folks. . . let's be good neighbors. You have other solutions to this situation. Regards, Deborah and George Doodeman 5933 Alder Court Carmel, Indiana 46033 4/16/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Deborah Doodeman [ddoodeman@indy.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 20086:19 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcgiriley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: Softball Fields To all irivolved in this most important decision: My point will be succinct. It is my opinion that placing ~uch facilities square in the midst of an already existing residential area is not being a good neighbor. People purchased homes and paid premiums to back up to green space. There are solutions that would be less disruptive to homeowners and they should be taken. Placing softball fields in an established residential community IS NOT THE ONLY PLAN THE SCHOOL BOARD SHOULD HAVEl The debate from me is not whether the children should have this complex. . . I have no issue with that. The deoate is . . . does the school board have the right to intrude into an established residential area when there are decidedly better alternatives. Come on folks. .. let's be good neighbors. You have other solutions to this situation. Regards, Deborah and George Doodeman 5933 Alder Court Carmel, Indiana 46033 4/16/2008 DATE: TO: FROM: RE: City of Carmel MEMO March 24, 2008 BZA Board Members Connie Tingley & BZA Secretary 571-2419 ctingley@carmel.in.gov Docket Nos. 08020033 SUA & 08030034 V, Prairie Trace Softball Complex For Your Information - Attached are copies of the correspondence we have received regarding the Prairie Trace Softball Complex. This item has been tabled until the April 28, 2008 BZA Agenda. The Carmel Clay School Board will be discussing this project and proposed changes at their Monday, March 24, 2008. Page 1 of 1 TingleYJ Connie S From: jcsenar ucsenar@indy.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, March 08,20088:10 AM To: Tingley, Connie S Subject: Proposed Softball Complex Dear Ms. Tingley, I am writing to you because of my great concern about the proposed softball complex at Prairie Trace Elementary. Let me introduce myself. I am a mother of 2 kids, I was born and raised in Carmel and I am a CHS graduate. I love everything about CHS and all the sports teams. My family tries to get to as many games as we can to support the teams. My son has been involved in the COC for about 7 years now and my daughter is up to 3 years in the softball program and will be playing this coming se9l?.on. My husband faithfully volunteers to assistant coach at least one of our kids teams each season. We love and support the Carmel Dads Club. I don't think anyone questions the need for improvements to the current softball fields for the CHS girls. We would love to see the proposed complex built for the girls to enjoy. We do not want it built at the Prairie Trace fields. There are so many reasons I am opposed to this site for the complex. The one that saddens me the most is that the site where the fields are proposed to be built is the area Prairie Trace students have to play at recess. The 3rd, 4th and 5th grade boys and girls play football, soccer and kickball in this field. The PE class conducts outdoor classes in this field. The annual end of school field day is at this field. There are several events held on this field. Therefore you would be taking away the fields fram the Prairie Trace students to give to the softball program. I don't believe that is a good choice. The softball program already has fields. This is the only greenspace the Prairie Trace students have to run and get all their energy out. Take it away and the students are stuck only on the playground and maybe the parking [at which is not a safe choice. I am also opposed to the field being used from end of March to the end of October iffall baseball is allowed to play there. I am concerned about the early morning games and the noise from the ball hitting the bat which will carry throughout the neighborhood. I am concerned the additional traffic that will come through our neighborhood. I am concerned about the lights and intercom system which will be heard every Saturday night when our neighbors want to be outside enjoying the peace and quiet of the beautiful summer night. I am concerned about an 8' chaihlink fence surrounding the complex. This will be an eyesore. I am concerned about the scoreboards that will raise above the fence. I am concerned about the parking and overflow onto Haverton Way. The police may monitor this for CHS games but they probably won't be out there for the CDC games. I am concerned about the additional traffic on River Road and Haverton Way. I believe the softball complex built on this site would change the quality of life for our neighborhood and far the Prairie Trace students. I don't believe that the CHS athletics department and the CDC would want to adversely affect so many people in this way.. That is not being a good neighbor and not what the Dads Club and Carmel High School is about. When we moved to this area we did not do so in hopes of a softball complex being built to disrupt all of our lives. We moved here to be close to a great school and enjoy the quiet neighborhood. Carefully consider how this proposal will affectthe families of Prairie Trace. Please do not rezone the Prairie Trace fields for this use. We do not welcome it to our neighborhood. Please distribute my thoughts to the board of zoning for careful consideration. Thank you for your time. Jenny Csenar 13998 Staghorn Ct Carmel, IN 46033 j~~~nar@iDQY.Jr,S::Qm. 3/1012008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S ~~'''-----~- - --=''C~=''''''''C''''"'''''''C<'''''''~'~'~''''~'''''''"''''''~--'''~~''.~_~.~__ . -'~'-'~'---'-----'-""""""-"_~~~._"~~~UO""'~~",^\"'",".,._,^,~~".~.'~---,__~....",_~"'~_ -----.-cc~-~"~,,~_'"'~.,,'__,_.~ From: Twwiese@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:27 PM To: Tingley, Connie S Subject: (no subject) Dear Mrs. Tingley, I would like to express my concern over the proposed softball complex at Prairie Trace Elementary. My children are in fourth and second grade at PT My daughter played Dad's Club softball for three seasons and I was a commissioner for the league as well. I went to the University of Notre Dame on an athletic scholarship (for a track team created primarily to meet the criteria of Title IX). Therefore I understand the importance of an updated facility for the girls. HOWEVER, the proposed plan is extremely flawed. PT is already a very crowded school. My children have 29 and 30 children respectively in their classes. They receive 60 minutes of PE once a week. The highlight of their day is their 20 minutes of recess. I strongly believe that before you support this proposal, you do your due diligence and visit PT during the fourth grade recess. There are more than 130 children, who are no longer small children, crammed into a small area of land. The only saving grace is the green space behind the school which they play soccer, football, etc. on. My son is a Type 1 diabetic who will have to wear an insulin pump for the rest of his life. He is also a wonderful athlete and plays on the Pups basketball Gold team and is the quarter back for the All-Star travel football team. He MUST have exercise during the day to help control his blood sugars. His outside football time drastically improves his over all health and blood sugar level. Any teacher will also tell you that it helps the children's behavior. IF this land if taken away then all 130 children will be huddled together on the pavement. How is this acceptable? Also, the PT students will no longer have any place for their Field Day of Mid-Evil Festival. How can this be rationalized when EVERY OTHER elementary school in Carmel can have theirs? I have visited the other 10 schools and they all have sufficient green space. I also know that the enrollment numbers for this year's softball program have been declining and made a DRASTIC DELCLJNE this year. Renovating the Cherry Tree Fields (which still leaves the Cherry Tree students with plenty of play space) combined with the River Road fields is more than adequate for the number of girls playing. Please take the time to rethink this proposal. I firmly believe it violates the rights of the students at Prairie Trace and will continue to fight this for the welfare of the 700 students. Thank you for your time, Wendy Wiese It's Tax Time! Q_~t tip~,JQ!:r)J$<:tnq<3clY'ig_~_QnAQ.LJ'y1.QnE:lY__&ELngoc:e. 3/1 0/2008 Tin~leYI Connie S From: Sent: To: Subject: Amanda Roberts [adhitt@hotmail.com] Saturday, March 08, 2008 10:51 PM Tingley, Connie S Proposed Softball Complex I was told if I forwarded a letter to you, that you would pass it along to the Zoning Board members. Please see below Thank you for your help. Kind Regards, Amanda Roberts My name is Amanda Roberts and I, along, with my family live in the Settler's Ridge subdivision, which borders Prairie Trace Elementary School. I recently became aware of a proposed softball/baseball complex that the Carmel school system hopes to build in the field next to Prairie Trace Elementary School As a long time resident of Carmel, CHS graduate, former Carmel Dad's Club softball player, and sister of a CHS softball player, I understand the desire to provide wonderful recreational facilities for our young people. Carmel has always had extremely high standards. What I don't understand is the desire of the Carmel School System to cater to a small group of citizens at the expense of many others. First, and foremost, the students attending prairie Trace Elementary will suffer. A main source of recreation and exercise will be eliminated! They use those fields for numerous activities. Even if they are allowed access their time there is limited. Those fields will need upkeep and my guess is that it will be done during school hours. The time it takes to access the property will take away from precious class time as well. It is a selfish project, especially when the current fields can be revitalized. Maybe not with all the bells and whistles desired, but you have to consider what is best for the community as a whole, not just a select portion of it. Second, the Haverstick/Settlers Ridge, Moffit Farms, and Legacy communities will be burdened with noise, traffic, visual, and light pollution. I have heard the plans to reduce traffic, by busing in participants, have police addressing the area to ticket cars and the like. But I don't buy it and it's not a good use of our tax dollars anyway_ Why create more problems? Strangers will be walking through our neighborhoods, which is a threat to our children. The facility will be an eyesore to many homeowners, the peaceful setting in which we live will be destroyed, our property values will suffer, our standard of living will suffer. please do not allow this project to move forward. Use the $2.5 million to revitalize the Cherry Tree fields instead. Do not punish our students communities for the sake of pride. Do not allow the wants/needs (depends on how you look at it, I concur) of a small segment of our community to negatively impact the hundreds of families in this area. Thank you for your time. Kind Regards, Amanda Roberts 1 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Frank Joseph [frank.joseph@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:08 PM To: Tingley, Connie S Cc: Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Griffiths, Joe; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us Subject: Proposed softball fields I am a resident of Haverstick. I art1 totally against the proposed softball complex at Prairie Trace. Let me tell you why and be brief. Safety of our children. A lot more unregulated traffic in an area never planned for this type of additional traffic flows. Loss of play area that is currently being used by the students. Also being used by Rugby practice teams. Green space is at a premium in Carmel and the currently used fields can be restructured to accommodate. No parking. Even the schools own representative at the meeting stated that no one can deny that this will be a problem and we will and do have means to deal with it. The noise at Cherry Tree is a issue. No one can deny that the residents there has complained. In response to these as well as other questions I got the impression that the proposal was REALLY to move a problem from one place to another. Also by the way that its all approved, designed and ready for BZA approval I get the impression all knew that too and was hoping to appear there was no opposition to the move. Now that it is known, there is a lot of opposing views but the one that makes the most sense is rebuild the current facility 2 diamonds at a time. What say you? We are all curios what will you do now that we all are becoming aware and are not happy about it. 3/10/2008 Tingley. Connie S From: Sent: To: Subject: srmr95@aol.com Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:05 PM srmr95@aol.com Softball Complex at Prairie Trace Elementary We are writing to you because of our concern for the proposed softball complex at Prairie Trace Elementary. As parents of a student at Prairie Trace and residents of Settler's Ridge, there are several reasons why we are opposed to such a proposal. It is not in the best interest of our neighborhood and Prairie Trace Elementary. It will reduce the quality of life by creating noise, traffic and artificial light pollution for every resident. It will likely have an impact on the home values in the surrounding area. Most importantly, it will eliminate the available green space for the students at prairie Trace Elementary. Currently, the students at Prairie Trace use this space for recess, physical education, field day and several other events. Has any thought been given to what green space would be available to the students of Prairie Trace Elementary? There is also an impact to the surrounding neighborhood in terms of green space. The open fields at Prairie Trace are used by families to enjoy the outdoors, as practice fields for Carmel Dad's Club sports and neighborhood events. prairie Trace is a neighborhood school that we take great pride in as parents and neighbors. So it is our responsibility to protect the valuable resource that Prairie Trace represents in our neighborhood. We would like to encourage you to consider renovating the existing fields at Cherry Tree Elementary rather than taking the green space away from prairie Trace Elementary. Once this green space is eliminated for the proposed softball complex, it can never be reclaimed. We would also encourage those parties involved to provide more detailed plans and information regarding the proposed project. After reviewing the school board minutes online, there is limited information and/or discussion documented. In the best interest of everyone impacted by this proposed project, it would seem imperative to be fully transparent with all information including timelines, alternative plans, costs and other associated topics. Please carefully consider how this proposal will affect our quiet neighborhood and all of the families at prairie Trace Elementary. We are strongly opposed to this proposal and would like to see a resolution that would meet the needs of everyone involved. Thank you for your time. Steve and Maryanne Richards 5885 Tanbark Lane Carmel, IN 46033 srmr95@aol.com 1 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie 5 '"'-c~'='"",.",o_~,-::,,,,:_~_-,~:c'~'~~'~'~""'_'~.",,,.~,,..,,,,._"""':^~~"-_~C-"~_=.="__:'~'" ~'==,':_'__'""",'~:~'_'_ .,.~"",-.._......~.~-,.,_..._..~- --.~-~ '~--~':-''''''''!",.'!=~n'm,.....'~'''''''~''''''''''''''''~":'''''''''''''''''~'''_~_C~___''"''_~~::":_'C:':""'-:_'.~~-c-=cc,,", From: Tingley, Connie S Sent: Monday, March 10,20088:25 AM To: 'Nikoandkim@aol.com' Cc: Holmes, Christine B; Hollibaugh, Mike P; 'John Molitor' Subject: RE: BZA That is correct - they have ask to be tabled from the March 24 to the April 28 Board of Zoning Appeals meeting. That is fine if I get a lot of emails - that is the best way to contact the Board members. State law prohibits anyone from contacting the Board members directly (whether by email, phone, letter or in person) in advance of the meeting. In addition to any emails to me, you may also attend the meeting on April 28, which will be a public hearing, and voice your concerns. Connie Tingley BZA Secretary 571-2417 -~~~-.,..,.,~--:.""~ ... -""-~.--'-~CC~'''''''''''~''__"~_~~"'^~:''':c_=_~.,-~__:..~' ""-C',"c=~CC':-::-:,,'^,,"""'~'~N~~~.~______._.,.:,...,.~,_._ ___"_'~_''''''''''''='ry-M'~'~__''_''~_'.~~~___',~~-'.'._''''.'.__::,-,cc~-m~ From: Nikoandkim@aol.com [mailto:Nikoandkim@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 07/ 20084:50 PM To: Tingley, Connie 5 Subject: Re: BZA Thank you Connie!!!! 1m sorry, 1m not used to the lingo....so the matter of the softball fields at PT is NOT on the agenda for March 24th? But rather for April 28th? I just want to be perfectly clear on that, before I tell 1 OO's of neighbors :) I just attended a meeting last Week, and was told this will be a matter for March 24th. Just to warn you., .you may start getting LOTS of emails regarding this matter. The zoning board is our last hope to try to stop, or adjust th is matter. Thank you so much!!! Kim Seelig -~~~~~''''...-.-.-...._~-:.c=,--''--'-",""",,~,,'''c'n~~''m'...,"'_~._____..._._ ~_._____."=~_...,.~_--="..""..",,",,~,-.,_,,,.. . It's Tax Time !G,~IJiR$.~...fQrm$.j::lmLflq'lic:::g.Qn6QI.MQn~)f~EinClnc;:~. 3/1 0/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: The Majeski Family [smajeski@indy.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:48 AM To: Tingley, Connie S Subject: Softball fields at Prairie Trace Dear Connie, As a parent of two children at Prairie Trace Elementary School I am shocked to see that our Board of Education has proposed softball fields to be built on school property eliminating every piece of green space our children have to play on. I understand that before this proposal can come together it must pass through your zoning council. I beg of you and other council members to take a good hard look at what these proposed fields will be doing to the children of Prairie Trace. They will no longer be able to have a recess where they can play football and soccer, they will no longer be able to hold the end of the year field day as well as many other outdoor activities held throughout the year and most importantly they will impacting the physical education program in a deeply negative manner. Prairie Trace will be the ONLY school in Carmel without green space for their students. Is thatfair? Is that what you would want for your children? It is my understanding as well that the Board of Education had not looked at getting estimates to improve the already playable fields at Cherry Tree Elementary. Why is that? If the land at Prairie Trace is not zoned for such a complex and the zoning must be changed to do so then I believe it does not belong there. That land is for the children of Prairie Trace to learn on, to play on. It is not meant to be taken away to have state of the art softball fields built on them when I am sure that improvements to the current ones will be make them just as nice. By removing the green space at Prairie Trace you and the Board of Education will be removing what is in the best interest of the children who attend this school. There are playable softball fields that exist now that can be improved. Please keep this in mind during your zoning meeting. I will be attending along with my children. There are 691 students at that school who need a place play, a place to be a child, a place where they will not fear falling on asphalt and being injured. Put yourself in a parents shoes and look at this situation from the outside in. Thank you for your time. Kindly, Shannon Majeski Prairie Trace parent 3/1 0/2008 Tingley. Connie S From: Sent: To: Subject: mwilliams 16@indy.rr.com Monday, March 10, 2008 9:14 PM Tingley, Connie S Prairie Trace Re-Zone for softball complex Hello ~ Below is a copy of an email I sent to Dr. Underwood, Carmel-Clay superintendent. I am sending this email to express my concern over the proposed softball fields for prairie Trace elementary. I have two children at Prairie Trace. It is my understanding that if this complex if built with 4 fields, fence, etc. that the students at Prairie Trace will lose the green space they currently have to use for recess, FE, Field day and other activities. My children have enjoyed the opportunity to play soccer, football and other activities on the fields. I would hate for them not to have a green space to play in the future. With all the concerns over childhood obesity and physical fitness I find it difficult to understand how the school district would allow this to occur, affecting such a large student population. It is also my understanding that prairie Trace would become the only elementary school with no outdoor green space to use. In the past the district has shown concerned with keeping equality amongst the schools. Again, I am surprised this would be allowed to happen. While I do not know what factors led to prairie Trace being chosen I cannot believe this lS the best choice for 600-700 students who attend this school on a daily basis. If the High School is in needs of new fields, other alternatives must be considered. The softball fields could be built at River road and the soccer fields moved to Prairie Trace. Having soccer fields would still allow our students open green space to use during the school day. Not softball fields with fence, gates and locks. I'm not sure how you play soccer on a softball field. Cherry Tree could be updated as needed. The students at Cherry Tree still have open green space to enjoy everyday with the fields currently there. Please reconsider this decision and find an alternative that would not deny the children of Prairie Trace outdoor green play space on a daily basis. Please do not re-zone the land to allow this complex to be built. Thank You, Marli Williams 1 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S ..-.-'.'CC_"-~,,.,.....,,,~_.,,,,,-,,,,,",-,,,,,,,,,-,,,,,,,,,~,,>,^,,~.,,,___~,~->.k.-"'_C'_cc"-cc-_~...-.-:-c.-,.-.. "~~~~__"'-<Crn'<_~"'nr'n~n,_,~~~~", From: Kvwolf2@aoLcom Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:28 PM To: Tingley, Connie S Subject: Re: Zoning Variance for Carmel HS Softball Fields Dear Members of the BZA, I am writing to ask you not to approve the variance request for the proposed softball fields on the Prairie Trace Elementary school campus. Such complex would clearly bring an element of noise and traffic that we as homeowners did not expect when we purchased our home here 8 years ago. Had we purchased a home near a middle school or high school we might have expected this type of facility. Most elementary schools do not house major sports venues such as the ohe proposed. The lights and pa system will disrupt what is normally a peaceful family neighborhood. Furthermore, neither River Road nor Haverton Way were designed to accommodate the level of traffic this type of facility would generate. As some of you may be aware, this project has also angered many families who do not live in Haverstick but who attend Prairie Trace. In building a facility such as the one proposed, all of the green space that our elementary school children use daily will be sacrificed. What has been the most upsetting is the Carmel Clay School Board's lack of planning. They did not look seriously at renovating the existing fields at Cherry Tree or at other options. By their own admission Prairie Trace is not the ideal site because of the relatively small area of available space for the facility and parking issues. Please deny this variance request and allow the school board to come up with a plan that will be equitable for everyone involved. Thank you for your service to our community. Sincerely, Kim Wolfert It's Tax Timel Get tiRs, forms and advice on AOL Money: & Finance. 3/11/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie 5 From: Amy Anderson [amyanderson@indy.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 PM To: Amy Anderson SubJect: Proposed Softball Complex Hello! I am sure that you have received a lot of emails in regards to the proposed softball complex for Prairie Trace, therefore, I will get straight to my point. I have several concerns for this proposal as I feel it negatively affects Prairie Trace. To build these fields on the only green space that Prairie Trace has is an outrage! It is unacceptable to take away our children's field day, recess, PE activities and any other outdoor opportunities. It seems to me that this promotes quite the opposite of what Carmel Dad's club believes in. -I spoke with Mrs. Hardwick, Prairie Trace's PE teacher this weekend. She said that if this went through, she would have to rearrange her curriculum to more indoor activities. How can you restrict a PE to teach in the parking lot? My family is and has been actively involved with Carmel Dad's Club for the past 5 years. Every year, we have had an amazing experience and have made wonderful memories. We greatly benefit from this organization. I understand that we need fields for our children to play, but to propose dumping millions of dollars on taking away PT'S only grassy space in order to build brand new fields is especially absurd when the fields at Cherry Tree can be updated. I appreciate you taking the time to read my email. I encourage you to please consider haw this will affect Prairie Trace and the students. There has got to be other a better resolution! Amy Anderson 3/1112008 Tingley. Connie S From: Sent: To: Cc: Subject: Conn, Angelina V Monday, March 10,2008 11 :03 AM Holmes, Christine B Tingley, Connie S FW: Prairie Trace Softball Complex Hi Christine - I think you should have been copies on this email as well. Connie - please place a copy of this enlail in the file for the prairie Trace Softball Complex and/or scan a copy to Laserfiche. Thanks! Angie -----Original Message----- From: Greg Hayes [mailto:grh@co.hamilton.in.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:52 AM To: wpayne@fhai.com Co: Conn, Angelina Vi Foley, Amanda J; Duncan, Gary R; Brewer, Scott 1; rfarrand@ccs.k12.in.usi Greg Ilko Subject: Prairie Trace Softball Complex Mr. Payne The Hamilton County Surveyor's Office has reviewed the plans for the prairie Trace Softball Complex and have the following comments: 1.) The proposed project falls in the Elizabeth Warner Regulated Drain Watershed. 2.) The HCSO will also need drainage calculations that prove the changes in drainage runoff will not exceed the assumed capacity of the detention system in the surround section of the Haverstick Subdivision. 3.) Since the pond in Settlers Ridge at Haverstick is part of the Elizabeth Warner Regulated Drain, the entire common area is part of the regulated drain easement. The proposed plans shows more berming and planting of trees as a buffer in this common area. This is the only current access point for us to get to the regulated drain tile to the north, so HCSO would request at least 20' of flat area (5 to 1 or greater) that is free of planting from the top of bank to the beginning of the buffering. Then the second added problem is we will not be able to get around the new bio-swale from the new outlet pipe to the pond. If a 20' gap could be left so we could get around the end of the bio-swale and on the north side, that would be acceptable. If that is not desired, we will need to require the portion of the bio-swale in the subdivision common area to remained piped to be can maintain maintenance access to the regulated drain. If you have any questions, please let me know. Greg Hoyes, AC, CFM Plan Reviewer Hamilton County Surveyor's Office One Hamilton County Square. Suite 188 Noblesville, IN 46060 Phone: (317) 776-84.95 Fax: (317) 776-9628 1 Softball Complex at Prairje Trace Elementary Page 1 of2 Tingley, Connie S From: Carter, Ronald E Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:02 PM To: srmr95@aol.com Subject: RE: Softball Complex at Prairie Trace Elementary Mr. and Mrs. Richards: Thank you very much for taking the time to write me concerning your opposition to the proposed softball complex at Prairie Trace. I apologize for not responding sooner. My wife ahd I have been out of the country on vacation. I wanted to make certain, however, that I did respond to let you know that the City Council has no say whatsoever over this matter. This is a matter that will be decided by the Board of Zoning Appeals in late April. It does not come to the City Council, nor will it. If you have not already done so, you may send your concerns to the Department of Community Services, c/o Connie Tingley, at Gljnglt:!Y@Gfllm~Lin,gQV with a request that she place your message in the official file for this matter. By Indiana law, you cannot contact, nor can the petitioner contact, the BZA members directly. They are a quasi-judicial body. That is why I have directed you to send your comments to Connie. Having served on the BZA in the early 90's I can tell you from my experience then that this will be a hard one for them to decide. The reason is that each and every time a sports or recreation development from either the Carmel/Clay Schools or the Dad's Club comes before them, they receive a packet of objections from the Department of Community Services authored by those living nearby the proposed project. These communiques layout in great detail the very same objections you raise in your message and they begin in the same way. That is, "We support athletics. We support the Dad's Club. We know we need these facilities. But we just don't want this in our backyard." The members of the BZA now know from long experience that jf they had followed the remonstrance of the adjoining residents to each of these projects that we, literally, would have no youth sports facilities in Carmel. Again, thank you for taking the time to send me your thoughts. Please don't hesitate to contact me in the future. If I can be of help, I will be happy to do so. If not, , will attempt to realistically steer you in the right direction. Best regards, Ron Ronald E. Carter City Council, At-Large City of Carmel One Civic Square Carmel, IN 46032 317-710-0162 ItM'ti. caJJI1~1. in. gQ\' From: srmr95@aol.com [mailto:srmr95@aol.com] Sent: Sun 3/9/2008 3: 11 PM To: srmr95@aoJ.com Subject: Softball Complex at Prairie Trace Elementary > > We are writing to you because of our concem for the proposed > softball complex at Prairie Trace Elementary. As parents of a > student at Prairie Trace and residents of Settler's Ridge, there are > several reasons why we are opposed to such a proposal. > > It is not in the best interest of Ollr neighborhood and Prairie Trace > Elementary. It will reduce the quality of life by creating noise, > traffic and artifieiallight pollution for every resident It will > likely have an impact on the home values in the surrounding area. > > Most importantly, it will eliminate the available green space for 3/1 0/2008 Softball Complex at Prairie Trace Elementary > the students at Prairie Trace Elementary. Currently, the students > at Prairie Trace use this space for recess, physical education, > field day and several other events. Has any thought been given to > what green space would be available to the students of Prairie Trace > Elementary? > > There is also an impact to the surrounding neighborhood in tem1S of > green space. The open fields at Prairie Trace are used by families > to enjoy the outdoors, as practice fields for Carmel Dad's Club > sports and neighborhood events. Prairie Trace is a neighborhood > school that we take great pride in as parents and neighbors. So it > is our responsibility to protect the valuable resource that Prairie > Trace represents in our neighborhoOd. > > We would like to encourage you to consider renovating the existing > fields at Cherry Tree Elementary rather than taking the green space > away from Prairie Trace Elementary. Once this green space is > eliminated for the proposed softball complex, it can never be > reclaimed. > > We would also encourage thosc parties involved to provide more > detailed plans and information regarding the proposed project. > After reviewing the school board minutes online, there is limited > infOlmation and/or discussioIl documcnted. In the best interest of > everyone impacted by this proposed project, it would seem imperative > to be fully transparent with all infonnation including timelilles, > alternative plans, costs and other associated topics. > > Please carefully consider how this proposal will affect our quiet > neighborhood and all of the families at Prairie Trace Elementary. > We are strongly opposed to this proposal and would like to see a > resolution that would meet the needs of everyone involved. > > Thank you for your time. > > Steve and Maryanne Richards > 5885 Tanbark Lane > Carmel, IN 46033 > srrnr95@aol.com > > Page 2 of2 3/10/2008 Page 1 of2 Tingley, Connie 5 From: Jill & Jason Reese Oreese2@indy.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:52 AM To: Tingley, Connie S Subject: Fw: Another Complaint about the Girls Softball Complex Plan Hello Connie. Below is an e-mail I orgihally directed to the Carmel School Board regarding my opposition to the school system's current plan to build a new high school girls' softball complex. Could you please ensure that this e-mail gets to the members of the Board of Zoning Appeals who are considering .the petition to rezone the land that is the subject of the proposed softball complex? Many thanks for your work. Jill Reese 844-5096 ----- Original Message ----- From :JHlcS.)ClsQnEl:!~s~ TO:$.Q2!;*_~r@~Q~,~J2jnJ,js ;QG?J.f.iQr..Sl.s.i;!.@gG$..kt2.in.LJ-? ; j~ffry.GC\rt~r@$.PG9IQPc:lJn.::lJ ; .C2PbiIUp$.@GGs.kJ4.in.JJs ; jmlU(jI@GG.s,K12jD,.~..s. Sent: Tuesday, March 11,2008 12:35 AM Subject: Another Complaint about the Girls Softball Complex Plan Dear Men of the School Board: By now hopefully ydu have received several e-mails registering dismay with the new girls' softball complex Carmel-Clay Schools ("CCS") plans to build in the greenspace adjacent to Prairie Trace Elementary School ("PT") and disbelief at the seemingly casual way in which you have already approved it. At the risk of boring you with yet another e-mail on the subject, I feel compelled to write you with my complaints as well. You are, after all, elected officials who make decisions on the citizens' behalf and are, I believe, charged with the duty to listen to these citizens. My name is Jill Reese. I have an 8 year-old daughter who attends PT and 2 pre-school sons "in the pipeline" so to speak who will attend PT within the next couple of years. I grew up in Carmel, attending Orchard Park Elementary, Clay Jr. High and graduating in 1985 from Carmel High School as Jill Pilcher. My mother, Glenda Pilcher, was a 25-year employee of the school system. I have very deliberately chosen CCS for my children as opposed to your considerable private school competition. Simply put, I am a BIG, BIG fan of our city and of our school system. However, judging by the information at my disposal regarding the manner in which this entire softball complex plan has been developed and approved, I am disappointed in school officials and you. I am going to assume arguendo (a term I learned in law school) that CCS is required to build or provide the softball complex in the exact state-of-the-art manner that CCS plans to carry out by Tille IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 and its administrative regulations. This is a big assumption and, in reality, should be thoroughly questioned and examined by anyone opposing the softball complex plan. Assuming CCS is required to provide this complex, it seems that this fact should have started and exhaustive information GATHERING and SHARING process regarding the proposed complex--the how, where, when, positive and negative implications, concerns, etc, if you will. I believe it is the general consensus of the PT families that CCS was absolutely negligent in this phase of the process. Here are some "talking points" to illustrate why: 1. I am told that building the proposed complex results in depriving PT of greenspace. It seems like CCS would ONLY want to go forward with this plan despite this extremely negative consequence IF there were no other viable options. Think about it-- HUNDREDS of students every year that cannot have a proper "field day" or play kickball, football, etc. outside for years and years to come--all so relatively few high school girls a year can play softball. 2. It seems CCS arrived at the conclusion of "let's build a new onel" a little too quickly. I am told that CCS "thought" that renovating the existing complex at Cherry Tree Elementary would be more expensive than buying a new one, but that no one actually got estimates on renovation. Ridiculous--you wouldn't consider renovating your own home or repairing your own car without a couple of estimates! The inability of relatively few girls to use the fields during renovation for the short-term is not, in my estimation, any kind of justification for the negative impact on hundreds of youngsters for years. Surely there are creative ways to get around that small 3/11/2008 Page 20[2 problem. 3. If CCS definitely wants to build a brand new complex, I am told that CCS did not seriously consider locations other than PT for this new complex. I am also told that fellow CHS Alumni, the Pittman brothers, plan to give a parcel of their land adjacent to PT to CCS for this complex. Admittedly, it is nice of them. However, did CCS' desire to take advantage of this gift cloud its objectivity and judgment? My goodness, what about the land CCS developed at 126th and River Road several months ago that has been used thus far for absolutely nothing? How about somewhere in west Carmel?--Shelborne Field comes to mind. I rarely see all the fields filled with soccer players. How about actually using the 126th and River Road soccer fields for soccer and taking some of Shelborne Fields for this new softball complex? Too far away from the high school perhaps? My response would be, "Too bad--the school board should have thought about that 30+ years ago when they decided against building another high school" (but that is another story). 4. I am told that CCS has not (or has not adequately) given the public an opportunity to comment on the softball complex plan. It seems to have been almost covert--and this one really sticks in peoples' craws. I guess I can kind of understand why--after big public debacles like what went on with the football stadium years ago. I sympathize with CCS insofar as, if it always caved to the slightest public remonstrance, it might never have any sports facilites. However, I believe even if it is not technically required, dissemination of information to the public is absolutely essential for a variety of reasons. I am going to personally check and see if I believe public comment was in fact technically required by any local, state, or federal ordinance, statute, regulation to see if this was done properly from a procedural standpoint up to this point. 5. What is the real reason for this new state-of-the-art complex? Of course, I cannot be sure. I suspect, however, that it does have something to do with Carmel wanting to have some sort of premiere tournamentchosting kind of place that would in-turn somehow enhance the high school ratings, rankings, etc. I love Carmel sports, but this should not be CCS' essence. (Now this is off the beaten path a bit, but how about putting more money into making sure our elementary school class size goes down so that these kids can have a better education? My daughter isin a 2/3 Challenge class of 28 children with one teacher and absolutely no instructional assistant--not even part-time. Now they have 30 and as of yet--no IA. Why? I was told by upper administration it was because district-wide resources are limited and the 2nd grade only got 2 IAs and only the regular 2nd-graders got to take advantage of them. Why even have the Challenge program if you can't staff it properly?) 6. I am told that, in light of the fact that the planned softball complex at PT will not have adequate parking at times, CCS plans to shuttle people from 126th and River Road to PT. Shouldn't this be a bell ringing loudly that perhaps there is a better location? Who is going to provide transportation--CCS? Is this a legitmate use of our transportation--to be transporting the public at large to CCS- hosted sporting events? In reality, people will probably park allover Haverstick and Moffitt Farms streets anyway, kind of like people try to do in Wilson Village during high school events. If this negative consequence can be avoided, why not do it? Finally, many folks affected by this softball complex are what I refer to as "N IMBYs" ("Not-In-My-Backyard!"). I do want to emphasize that I am not one of them. That is, I do not oppose this plan primarily oh the basis that it may be loud and bright and bring down my property value, etc. I honestly real ize that if this were CCS' only option (or even its best option), it may be necessary to disrupt our nice little neighborhoods for a legitimate school purpose. However, I feel pretty certain that the current softball complex planisa very bad plan mainly for reason #1 above. If there is another elementary school in Carmel without any greenspace, I'd like to know about it. I respectfully ask that you reconsider your approval of the current plan and backtrack a little to take some of these and other points into consideration. I am sure that yours is a tough job, but you wanted it! Thank you very much for your time, dedication and consideration. Very truly yours, Jill Reese 844-5096 3/11/2008 Tingley, Connie S From: Sent: To: Subject: Hancock, Ramona B Tuesday, March 11,20088:44 AM Tingley, Connie S FW: Come join me on The Carmel-Clay Schools Spotlight... FYI Ramona -----Original Message----- From: Scott Henderson [mailto:henderson3000@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 8:13 PM To: Hancock, Ramona B Subject: Come join me on The Carmel-Clay Schools Spotlight... Come join me on The Carmel~Clay Schools Spotlight. Carmel HOA Presidents: Unfortunately, the school corporation is up to their old tricks and this time are trying to outdo their recent redistricting fiasco. They have been working since July on a new softball complex and just had their first (and only) public forum in March.. .only three weeks before the whole matter is to be decided at the Board of Zoning Appeals. Wait, it gets even better - none of the adjacent HOA boards were even notified of the public forum. Want to learn how they plan to spend $2.5 million on a facility they don't really need? Visit http://carmelschools.ning.com and watch our video. Then, join the conversation and let your voice be heard. sincerely, Scott Henderson Carmel-Clay Schools Spotlight P.S. Pass this along to the members of your BOA, so we can make sure the school board spends this money on more pressing matters. Click here to join: http://carmelschools.ning.com/?xgi=8TBbUt3 Thanks, Scott Henderson 1 Softball Fields Page 1 of 1 TingleYr Connie 5 From: Jared R. Hamilton Uared@hamiltonfam.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:03 AM To: Tingley, Connie S SUbject: Softball Fields CQIUlie- There has been much angst and negative talk about how the board of zoning has decided to utilize the fields adjacent to Prairie Trace elementary. This would intoxicate our subdivision with unneeded traffie and activity in what we all thought was a quiet place to live. I am for Carmel having the best facilities, but I think you should reconsider upgrading the current facilities instead of building new against angry homeowners. Jared Hamilton 3/11/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Michele Foxworthy [mfoxworthy@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11 :27 AM To: Tingley, Connie S Subject: Softball Complex at Prairie Trace Elementary Please pass my concems on to those making the zoning decision. Thank you m_ I feel as if we, the Camiel and Prairie Trace community, are all voting no to a project that we know very little about. My biggest issue with the city and the school board is that they appear to have pushed this project through their system as quickly and quietly as possible. To me, this in itself shows how much they value the opinion ofthe taxpayers and residents of this community. They beg for our support when they need our votes to be elected and yet they intentionally avoid us, and our opinions, when making such a major impact on the children and families of our community. Treat us with respect. Provide us with the information we need to make an informed decision about our neighborhoods, our school, our community and oUr children. Knowledge is power......it appears as if, by taking away the knowledge, you hoped to take away our power. Luckily we are a smarter and more connected comnmity then you give us credit for! Sincerely, Michele Foxworthy 3/11/2008 Tingley, Connie S From: Sent: To: Subject: Colosi David [dcolosi@yahoo.com] Tuesday, March 11 , 2008 11 :40 AM Tingley, Connie S Softball Complex at Prairie Trace Connie, I am writing to express my concern over the proposed softball complex to be built at the prairie Trace elementary school. I am against rezoning this property and would like the BZA to be aware of my objection. The building of this complex will have a negative impact on the 700+ students that attend prairie Trace. The complex would take up 100% of the green space behind the school that the children use for PE, field day events and that the teachers also use with their classes. In addition, the main access point to this complex will be through a residential area and increased traffic on Haverton Way will create safety issues for the residents who use the walking trails on a daily basis. It would appear that the school board has done the minimum when notifying residents of this plan. I also feel that they are misrepresenting Title IX in their desire to build a new complex. As a resident and as a parent of two prairie Trace students, I hope that the BZA has the foresight to decline the Carmel School Boards request to rezone the property to allow the the complex. Sincerely, David Colosi Settlers Ridge 1 Tingley, ConnieS From: Sent: To: Subject: Eric [ebird@indy.rr.cam] Tuesday, March 11,200812:48 PM Tingley, Connie S Comments on the School Board Zoning Variance Requestfor Baseball Diamonds I am writing you to express my deep concerns in regards to the school boards proposed women's baseball diamonds on the prairie Trace Elementary property. I find the proposed 4 diamonds with a PA system and 90 foot tall light pole troubling. Currently when prairie Trace holds a school function there is insufficient parking. Cars spillover and park along Haverton way. Now the school boards wants to put four diamonds there as well. I believe there is no way our neighborhood can handle the additional traffic and parking. Is the school going to be forced to schedule activities around a softball game? I would find that unreasonable. In addition to the parking concerns there should be no reason to have a lighted field. According to the schools calendar, softball starts March 17th and runs thru June for Varsity. Sunset is at 7:54PM for March 17 and as the day lengthens, sunset is at 9:15 for Jun 7. I believe that is sufficient time to get in a game of softball (7 innings) I am very concerned about the desire of the school board to install lighting as well as a PA system. I feel this will severely detract from property values and my quality of life. While I understand this is the school boards property. it has been used by the Prairie Trace and this neighborhood (Haverstick). By the school board deciding to implementing this, with out notice to this neighborhood I might add, The school board has effectively displaced the many people who use the empty field for recreation. I feel this choice of location is a poor choice, and will end up being an eye sore in my neighborhood. I strongly urge to vote against the zoning variance and to encourage the school board to reconsider a better location, such as upgrading its existing facility. Sincerely Eric W. Bird (Haverstick) 13837 Stone Haven Dr. Carmel. 1 Tingley. Connie S From: Sent: To: Subject: ealesure@aol.com Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:05 PM Tingley, Connie S prairie trace softball fields Please forward to members of the Board of Zoning and Appeals - Thank you Dear Members of the Board, I am writing in response to the proposed softball complex to be built at prairie Trace. First, I am dismayed that the CHS Ladies Softball Team has had to deal with these circumstances. The current facilities should never have been allowed to deteriorate to the point that completely new ones need to be built. If this is the true situation, the school board has failed them as well. That in itself may be a violation of Title IX. I believe the current facility was built to be One of the finest in the sta.te. Why wasn't the facility taken care of and maintained and updated as needed? Why should I think that a new one would be better maintained? Next, I question the decision to put a four field ballpark complete with lights and loudspeakers in the middle of a residential neighborhood. There is no road with a safe shoulder area to allow a safe traffic pattern. The best route is a subdivision road that passes along people's yards. I know Mr. MCMichael has said that traffic would be diverted from that area, but it is really the safest route and the most logica.l for many travelers. The Legacy project has also changed since its inception and the estate homes have been moved away from the school. Another very real problem is what it does to the future Carmel athletes that attend prairie Trace. This proposal takes away nearly all the green space afforded to them. There would be a small patch left next to River Road that is mud most of the year and not often a viable option for play. There would be no place to play football, or soccer, or kickball. The annual Field Days will all occur on hard surfaces. All physical education would have to take place indoors. This is the true crime. Because the current softball fields were mismanaged and not maintained, these children could miss out .on some very real athletic education. They will lose the ability to put together a couple of teams and playa game of football simply because that's what they choose to do during their free time. That is something that can't be taught. These kids learn teamwork, respect for each other and respect for the rules they set down. They get true physical exercise that going down a slide or swinging doesn't accomplish. All because it would be easier to just build a new softball facility than fix the old one. I am not sure what kind of lesson that teaches our children. A final note. I am really disappointed in how this was handled by the school board. Mr. McMichael stated at the March 4th informational meeting that legally he was only required to notify 4 homes of the proposal. What would this world be like if everyone only did what was legally required? Doesn't the school board feel any responsibility towards its constituents. The homeowners association wasn't notified; the homeowners weren't notified. The resolution was passed at a public hearing that no one knew about. It happened during redistricting that didn't affect our neighborhood and thus we weren't in attendance. This is not what I would have expected of this school district. I hope that you will take these views into consideration as you consider the proposal before you. Thank you for your time and consideration. Beth Lesure 14012 Staghorn Court Carmel, IN 46033 1 Page 1 of2 Tingley, Connie 5 From: Melchi, Brad [Brad.Melchi@inin.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:32 PM To: Tingley, Connie S Subject: Revised Softball Complex Plan I wanted to forward this to the Zoning Board as well. Thanks, Brad Brad Melchi I Strategic Sales r.1anager phone & fax 317.715.8649 I bi'ad.melchi@inl!1,corn Interactive Intelligence, Inc. Deliberately Innovative www.inin.com From: Melchi, Brad Sent: Tuesday/ March 18/ 2008 5:25 PM To: 'sbacker@ccs.kI2.in.us'; 'jmiller@ccs.kI2.in.us'; 'bcalabrese@ccs.kI2.in.us'; 'jeffry .carter@sbcglobal.net' Subject: Revised Softball Complex Plan Dear Carmel-Clay School Board Members, I am quite happy to hear there are plans to renovate the current softball complex at Cherry Tree rather than completely eliminate the green space at Prairie Trace Elementary with a new complex. I have lived in Carmel all of my life and am proud of the athletic tradition it has, but in reality. that tradition comes from the folks that participate and support the programs, not just the facilities. We won four state football titles in a less than state of the art stadium and only one since the move to the new one. I understand we want the best for the kids and'the school system, but I truly believe an upgrade to the already fantastic facility is a better solution than abandoning it for a new complex. The facility at Cherry Tree was in place before the folks built their homes in the community surrounding Cherry Tree, which means they were comfortable with the complex being there; this is not the case for the folks surrounding Prairie Trace, Plus the fact that Cherry Tree Elementary has more useable land to accommodate both the softball complex as well as the necessary area for the school children to conduct their activities make this renovation project much more sensible. I also believe one side benefit will be teaching the kids that we do not always get to simply throwaway the old for the new, and by investing in what we have, it can provide benefit to us for a long time. After all, isn't everything we do in the school system about educating kids, not just in school subjects, but in life as well? I respectfully request that you explore and approve plans that involve renovation of the current Cherry Tree facility and do not consider any plans that would put a new facility at Prairie Trace, Thanks, Brad Brad Melchil Strategic Sales l'1anager phone & fax 317.715,8649 I !)rad,melchi@inin,com Interactive Intelligence, Inc. 3/19/2008 3/19/2008 Page 2 of2 Deliberately Innovative www.inin.com Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S ._^">>"O'~"~"-':'_'''''''''~.~~'~~'~_''''''''''''';"""""","...C':'=:-:'~'cc ...._,.~._"_~_~_"..-~.~_~'~.~'..... From: Feras Mash [fmash@transatlantictrading.comJ SMt: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11 :37 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.Us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us Cc: Tingley, Connie 8; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin 0; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org; 'Michelle Mash' Subject: High School SoftBall Complex My name is Feras Mash and I am a Cam1el resident. I have 3 girls attending Prairie Trace Elementary. We moved to Carmel because of its great family community and the excellent school system. But we have a concern now and I ask the board to take four actions in regards to the high school softball complex: 1. Upgrade the Cherry Tree complex to minimize its impact on the neighborhood. 2. Honor the 1997 plans for Prairie Trace and limit the use of its ball fields to practices only. 3. Sign a written agreement with the Haverstick HOA regarding #2. 4. Purchase property on the city's west side for a future sports complex. For future major projects like this one, I encourage you to reach out to the taxpayers and parents who will be impacted by your decisions. We can be more understanding when we are involved earlier in the process, not three weeks before a vote. Looking forward to a great election year! Thank you! Regards, Feras Mash 3/21/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Lalango@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:43 AM To: Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; BUndervm@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us: jeffry .carter@sbcglobaLnet Subject: Softball Fields My name is Laurie Durgin and I live in Cherry Creek Estates across from Cherry Tree Elementary. I have two daughters and the oldest will be attending kindergarten at Prairie Trace next year and the younger one will be there the following year. The decision to either upgrade the current fields or build new softball fields at Prairie Trace will affect my children for the next seven years. I strongly support upgrading the fields at Cherry Tree and having only practice fields at Prairie Trace so that my children as well as all Prairie Trace students will have green space to play. All of our children deserve this much! Thank you for your consideration, Laurie Durgin Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. VV?Jchth~vtdeQQD6QLJjQIJ1e. 3/21/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Mike McGinley [mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:4 7 AM To: fmash@Transatlantictradfng.com Cc: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley. Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci Subject: RE: High School SoftBall Complex .Feras Mash, Thank you for your emaiJ. For your information, Carmel Dads' Club has no vote in this matter. However, I do want to express that we support 100% the need for new softball fields for practice and games for the young people of Clay Township. Mike McGinley President Carmel Dads' Club From: Feras Mash [mailto:fmash@transatl~lntictrading.com) Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:37 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.fn.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry .carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us Cc: ctingley@cf.carmel.in.us; jgriffiths@carmel.in.gov; rcarter@carmel.in.gov; krider@carmel.in,gov; rsha rp@carmeJ.in.gov; eseidensticker@carmel.in.gov; jaccetturo@carmel.in.gov; Isnyder@carmel.in.gov; Mike McGinley; 'Michelle Mash' Subject: High School SoftBall Complex My name is Feras Mash and I am a Calmel resident. I have 3 girls attending Prairie Trace Elementary. We moved to Carmel because of its great family conmmnity and the excellent school system. But we have a concern now and I ask the board to take four actions in regards to the high school softball complex: I. Upgrade the Chcny Tree complex to minimize its impact on the neighborhood. 2. Honor the 1997 plans for Prairie Trace and limit the use of its ball fields to practices only. 3. Sign a written agreement with the Haverstick HOA regarding #2. 4. Purchase property on the city's west side for a future spOlis complex. For future major projects like this one, I encourage you to reach out to the taxpayers and parents who will be impacted by your decisions. \Ve can be more understanding when we are involved earlier in the process, not three weeks before a vote. Looking forward to a great election year! Thank you! Regards, Feras Mash 3/21/2008 Page 1 of2 Tingley, Connie S From: Peter Isenberg [hpi@mriweb.com] Sent: Friday, March 21,20082:13 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; GPhillips@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry .carter@sbcglobal.net Cc: Brainard, James C; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin 0; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school TO: The Carmel Clay School Board My name is Peter Isenberg and I live in the Settlers Ridge subdivision. I have two children in the Carmel-Clay schools, one attends Prairie Trace Elementary school. My home backs up to the Haverstick common area (pond and grounds) directly behind the school. As a direct neighbor (if your extend my property lines they would intersect with the school property (through the Haverstick common area) of the school I have to tell you that I am very surprised that I have never received any notification from either the school board or the BZA concerning this project. Prior to purchasing my home I researched the school property and the empty property to the north and east. The property now know as Legacy was zoned S-1 as is the school, with that information I felt comfortable with the purchase of my home. Now with a high density PUO on the Legacy property and with your plan to develop the open space at the school beyond what was planned when you received your variance, I am not so comfortable with my decision to purchase my home. My home and all of the homes adjacent to Prairie Trace carried a premium on the lots due to being on the pond and adjacent to the school (elementary schools are typically considered a good, quiet neighbor). With that being said I would like to share my thoughts regarding your plans I hope you will take the time to consider them. First and foremost, our children at Prairie Trace deserve to have as much open green space as possible at their school. In fact, if you ask the children (I have), they would like to keep their play fields and have more playground space made available to them. Second, As I said earlier I did my due diligence prior to purchasing my home, I would expect you would not develop the property to any greater extent than what was planned when the school variance was granted. In your own variance petitions you slated in eacR one that this school and the variance requested would be good for the surrounding neighborhood as schools are generally considered to be good neighbors... I would ask that you keep to your pledge to be a good neighbor. Your original plan shows two elementary sized diamonds with a soccer field. No Dugouts, no lights, no sound system, no bleachers, no perimeter fencing (practice fields don't need outfield fencing), I would expect you would keep the players safe, with a backstop and a fenced partition to protect the bench area. The original layout would keep the long hit balls out of the pond and the Haverton roadway, I would suggest you stick to that layout. If you do build the temporary practice fields at Prairie Trace (as stated in Mr. McMichael's email), I would ask that you would in fact only minimally develop the fields, restrict the fields to practice only (no High School or COC games allowed), develop screening through the use of mature evergreens to reduce the noise carried across the open ponds (as one Avian Glen resident told us... "the noise from practice is worse than the game day noise") and execute a written agreement with the neighborhood association outlining the allowed use and development of the fields. Also I would hope that you would consider our Neighborhood covenants as they apply to fences that backup to Haverton or a pond. Third, I would hope you would also strive to be a good neighbor to the neighbors surrounding Cherry Tree School, by reducing the impact of noise, lights, and traffic as you upgrade the current facility. 3/21/2008 Page 2 of2 Fourth, as a long term CDC member and sponsor of many teams I would hope you and the Dad's Club would strongly consider softball fields on the Westside of Carmel. Many of the COC sports have facilities on both sides of town, and considering the growth of the Westside of Carmel it would seem to make the most sense to develop fields on the Wests ide. I know how inconvenient it is to go from my house to Shelborn Field and I suspect that the softball parents of the Westside feel the same way about always having to come to the far eastsideof town. I understand you do not have any land available but land could be purchased on the Westside with a portion of the allotment for the new softball complex. You could also look for land that would have a minimal impact on existing neighbors unlike the Praie Trace plan. You might also consider using a portion of the Shelborn facility for softball now that you have the new practice fields available for soccer at 126th and River Road. If you have any questions regarding this email please feel free to call me, my numbers are listed below. I will also be attending the Meeting on Monday night and plan to make these comments publicly. Thank you. Peter H. Peter Isenberg 13999 Stag horn Court Carmel, IN 46033 317-848-0321 317-753-9200 mobile /1Qi@mriweb.com 3/2112008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie 5 From: Mitch Mitchell [n46460@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 21, 20084:21 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; GPhillips@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry .carter@sbcglobal.net; B UndeIW0@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin 0; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci Cc: Mitch Mitchell Subject: Softball Fields? Are we serious about this? Hello all, I have lived in Carmel since 1997 and have children that attend Carmel Clay schools. Currently there is a large debate going on about where new softball facilities should be located or how to upgrade existing facilities. While this is an interesting discussion, I believe the discussion of funding any such facility is an absurd misappropriation of public resources and blatant disregard of your fiduciary duty to the taxpayers of Carmel. We have elementary student to teacher ratios that are, in my opinion, an embarrassment. I also understand that ratio will be getting worse, not better. Our teachers are asked to do more with less every day and our children suffer because of these financial decisions. YET, SOMEONE BELIEVES IT IS OK TO SPEND $2,500,000.00 OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO BUILD A SOFTBALL FACILITY? Meanwhile, the State is in fjnancial trouble, Carmel residents are loosing their homes, sales tax has just increased, an income tax increase is being discussed, the economy is heading into a recession, and consumer debt is at an all time high. I ask you all to reflect on what is the proper use of resources collected for the use of all our children. Do we build the Taj mahal of softball complexes, or do we get serious about education and make EDUCATION in our schools better? I did hear thallocker room facilities at Cherry Tree are needed so the kids don't get dressed in their cars. I'm confident for significantly less than $2,500,000.00 we can figure out how to resolve that issue. Thank you for your time and consideration in proper stewardship of the precious resources you have been entrusted with. Mitch Mitchell Carmel Indiana (317) 260-1569 Looking for last minute shopping deals? FiDdJhe,mLq~L~.Y:ith..Y.~hQQ.LS~Jtrch. 3/21/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Peter Isenberg [hpi@mriweb.com] Sent: Friday, March 21,2008 5:25 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; GPhillips@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry .carter@sbcglobal.net Cc: Brainard, James C; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school As a follow up to my earlier email, I am curious, were the softball practice I game fields ever considered being placed on the property at West Clay Elementary? After looking at an aerial view from Google Earth I drove over to the site and it appears there is easily double the available land to the north and east of West Clay as there is available at Prairie Trace. It also appears it is slightly farther away from the closest neighbor. Placing the fields at West Clay Elementary would allow for having softball fields on both side of town vs. just the east side. Thank you. Peter H. Peter Isenberg 13999 Staghorn Court Carmel, IN 46033 317-848-0321 317-753-9200 mobile @l@mriweb.com 3/24/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Samuel FELBERBAUM [felberbaums@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, March 21 , 2008 9: 18 PM To: sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcg i h I ey@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: March 24 meeting on Softball Complex My name is Nicole Felberbaum and T am a Carmel resident. I live in Cherry Creek Estates and my daughter attends Prairie Trace ELementary. 1 ask the board to take four actions in regards to the high school softball complex: 1. Upgrade the Cherry Tree complex to mimmize its impact on the neighborhood. 2. Honor the 1997 plans for Prairie Trace and Limit the use of its ball fields to practices only. 3. Sign a written agreement with the Haverstick BOA regarding #2. 4. Purchase property on the city's west side for a future sports complex. For future major projects like this one, I encourage you to reach out to the taxpayers and parents who will be impacted by your decisions. We can be more understanding when we are involved earlier in the process, not three weeks before a vote. Thank you, Nicole Felberbaum 14034 Brazos Drive Carmel, TN 46033 3/2412008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Nicole Bickett [nbickett@proact.com] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:41 PM To: sbaeker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ecs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in .us; Tingley, Conn ie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcg i nley@carmeldadselub.org Cc: 'Jason Bickett' Subject: Carmel Proposed Softball Complex I am a resident of Avian Glen neighborhood and the parent of two Cherry Tree Elementary students. I plan on attending the school board meeting on Monday, 3/24, and am interested in learning more about the proposed softball complex at Cherry Tree. My concerns are with the size of the complex and the fence around it cutting off the green space where the children currently play and school activities take place. I would like to learn if it is possible to have two fields at Cherry Tree and the potential for two more on the west side of Carmel. This would allow for the same amount (or close to) of the green space that we currently have at Cherry Tree and mare fairness to people who live on the west side of Carmel in terms of their proximity to games. Thank you for your consideration! Nicole Bickett 5116 Puffin PI ace Carmel, IN 46033 (317) 815-1676 QQiG.K~H@pro<3gt..c.QIl1 3/24/2008 Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Roger McMichael [RMcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:15 AM To: nbickett@proactcom; Stephen A. Backer; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (External); Barb Underwood; Jim Inskeep; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp. Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Cc: Jason Bickett; Ron Farrand; Lori Storer Subject: RE: Carmel Proposed Softball Complex Attachments: CTE aerial w sofball overlay.pdf Nicole: There are four regulation sized fields currently at CT and there will be four fields with the new project. Currently two fields are fenced and the new project will have four fenced fields. However, the school will have access to the fields via a gate, thus the elementary school will not have less green space than is currently available. Attached is an overlay of the project. From: Nicole Bickett [mailto:nbickett@proact.com] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:41 PM To: Stephen A. Backer; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (External); Barb Underwood; Roger McMichael; Jim Inskeep; ctingley@cLcarmel.in.us; jgriffiths@carmel.in.gov; rcarter@carmel.in.gov; krider@carmel.in.gov; rsharp@carmel.in.gov; eseidensticker@carmel.in.gov; jaccettu ro@carmel.in.gov; Isnyder@carmel.in.gov; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Cc: 'Jason Bickett' SUbject: Carmel Proposed Softball Complex I am a resident of Avian Glen neighborhood and the parent of two Cherry Tree Elementary students. I plan on attending the school board meeting on Monday, 3/24, and am interested in learning more about the proposed softball complex at Cherry Tree. My concerns are with the size of the complex and the fence around it cutting off the green space where the children currently play and school activities take place. I would like to learn if it is possible to have tWo fields at Cherry Tree and the potential for two more on the west side of Carmel. This would allow for the same amount (or close to) of the green space that we currently have at Cherry Tree and more fairness to people who live on the west side of Carmel in terms of their proximity to games. Thank you for your consideration! Nicole Bickett 5116 Puffin Place Carmel, IN 46033 (317) 815-1676 nbickett@proacl.com 3/24/2008 , . ....". " , . !I .. / I .. '" ' .; ;t -, ~' .... 4. ( ... .. r11 I:::IiII .. I" - 1 ~1 , ___I Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Roger McMichael [RMcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:18 AM To: hpi@mriweb.com; Stephen A. Backer; Gregory W. Phillips; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (External) Cc: Brainard, James C; Barb Underwood; Jim Inskeep; Tingley, Connie S; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school The area north and east of West Clay is cun'ently developed with three soccer fields. From: Peter Isenberg [mailto:hpi@mriweb.com] Sent: Friday, March 21, 20085:25 PM To: Stephen A. Backer; Gregory W. Phillips; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (E.~ternal) Cc: jbrainard@carmel.in.gov; Barb Underwood; Roger McMichael; Jim Inskeep; ctingley@ci.carmel.in.us; mmcg in ley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school As a follow up to my earlier emaiL I am curious, were the softball practice I game fields ever considered being placed on the property at West Clay Elementary? After looking at an aerial view from Google Earth I drove over to the site and it appears there is easily double the available land to the north and east of West Clay as there is available at Prairie Trace. It also appears it is slightly farther away from the closest neighbor. Placing the fields at West Clay Elementary would allow for having softball fields on bath side of town vs. just the east side. Thank you. Peter H. Peter Isenberg 13999 Staghorn Court Carmel, IN 46033 317-848-0321 317-753-9200 mobile bpj@mr.iw_t?Q,mUJ.. 3/24/2008 Page 1 of2 Tingley, Connie S From: Peter Isenberg [hpi@mriweb.com] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:35 AM To: 'Joe Miller'; sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us Cc: BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; Rider, Kevin 0; Tingley, Connie S Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school Joe, I realize that the land is currently being used for soccer fields. In my earlier emaill suggested that with the addition of the new practice fields at 126lh and River Road these fields at West Clay or some of the Shelborn property could be converted to softball. Also it appears that there is some land to the East of the school that is not being used for fields perhaps that could be used. I also understand that in the not too distant past the school board sold some land that was being reserved for the possibility of a second high school. If that is true and we have this shortage of available land for required sports fields why would the board have decided to sell the land putting the board in the current position of a land shortage? I see that you are a Carmel Clay Parks Board member, have there been any discussions about using Parks lands for the fields so that they would be readily accessible to the whole community? Thank you for taking the time to respond, you can rest assured I will be follOWing the boards discussion of this matter, Peter H. Peter Isenberg President MANTA RESOURCES,INC. 15229 Herriman Blvd. Noblesville, IN 46060 T 317.773.4323 x105 C 317.753.9200 F 317.773.9744 WWW.fllLiW.Bp.c;Qfll MRI Network 1'M BUILDiNG THE HEART OF BUSINESS T" From: Joe Miller [mailto:jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us] Sent: Saturday, March 22{ 2008 11:29 AM To: hpi@mriweb.com Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school Peter: I believe the green space to which you are referring is currently in use through previous agreements for use as soccer fields for which there is far greater demand than softball. I hope you will continue to follow the board's discussion of this matter so as to stay informed. Joe Miller Secretary of the Board of Trustees Carmel Clay School Corporation 3/24/2008 Page 2 of2 School Board Representative/Member Carmel Clay Parks Board Email :JMlU~r@gg~.,~.12.jDJ.!~. Home Pho n e: ;?Jl:8J] -_9812 Visit Carmel Clay Schools on lin.e for news and information at www.ccs.k12.in.u5 From: Peter Isenberg [mailto:hpl@mriweb.com] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:25 PM To: Stephen A. Backer; Gregory W. Phillips; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (External) Cc: jbrainard@carmel.in.gov; Barb Underwood; Roger MCMichael; Jim Inskeep; ctingley@ci.carmel.in.us; mmcg in ley@carmeldadsclub,org Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school As a follow up to my earlier email, I am curious, were the softball practice I game fields ever considered being placed on the property at West Clay Elementary? After looking at an aerial view from Google Earth I drove over to the site and it appears there is easily double the available land to the north and east of West Clay as there is available at Prairie Trace. It also appears it is slightly farther away from the closest neighbor. Placing the fields at West Clay Elementary would allow for having softball fields on both side of town vs. just the east side. Thank you. Peter H. Peter Isenberg 13999 Staghorn Court Carmel, IN 46033 317-848-0321 317-753-9200 mobile M/@mriWi;;I:U:;Qf1/ 3/24/2008 Page 1 of2 Tingley, Connie S From: Peter Isenberg [hpi@mriweb.com] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:50 AM To: 'Roger McMichael'; 'Stephen A. Backer'; 'Gregory W. Phillips'; 'Joe Miller'; 'Bruce Calabrese'; 'Jeffry Carter (External)' Cc: Brainard, James C; 'Barb Underwood'; 'Jim Inskeep'; Tingley, Connie S; mmcginley@carmeldadsciub.org Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school Roger, Thank you for responding, Joe Miller also responded I have pasted my response to him below. Peter Joe, I realize that the land is currently being used for soccer fields. In my earlier emaill suggested that with the addition of the new practice fields at 126th and River Road these fields at West Clay or some of the Shelborn property could be converted to softball. Also it appears that there is some land to the East of the school that is not being used for fields perhaps that could be used. I also understand that in the not too distant past the school board sold some land that was being reserved for the possibility of a second high school. If that is true and we have this shortage of available land for required sports fields why would the board have decided to sell the land putting the board in the current position of a land shortage? I see that YOLl are a Carmel Clay Parks Board member, have there been any discussions about using Parks lands for the fields so that they would be readily accessible to the whole community? Thank you for taking the time to respond, you can rest assured I will be following the boards discussion of this matter. Peter From: Roger McMichael [mailto: RMcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us] Sent: Monday, March 24, 20088:18 AM To: hpi@mriweb,com; Stephen A. Backer; Gregory W. Phillips; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeftry Carter (External) Cc: jbrainard@carmel.in.gov; Barb Underwood; Jim In'skeep; ctingley@ci.carmel.in.us; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school The area north and east of West Clay is currently developed with three soccer fields. From: Peter Isenberg [mailto:hpi@mriweb.com] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:25 PM To: Stephen A. Backer; Gregory W. Phillips; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (External) Cc: jbrainard@carmel.in.gov; Barb Underwood; Roger McMichael; Jim Inskeep; ctingley@cLcarmel.in.us; mmcgin ley@carmeldadsclub.org Subject: RE: Softball fields at Prairie Trace school As a follow up to my earlier email, I am curious, were the softball practice I game fields ever considered being placed on the property at West Clay Elementary? After looking at an aerial view from Google Earth I 3/24/2008 Page 2 of2 drove over to the site and it appears there is easily double the available land to the north and east of West Clay as there is available at Prairie Trace. It also appears it is slightly farther away from the closest neighbor. Placing the fields at West Clay Elementary would allow for having softball fields on both side of town vs. just the east side. Thank you. Peter H. Peter Isenberg 13999 Staghorn Court Carmel, IN 46033 317-848-0321 317-753-9200 mobile Qpj@mrlwftl;>',J;:.QJl1 3/24/2008 Tingley. Connie 5 Subject: PPan@wiley.com Monday, March 24, 2008 3:19 PM sbacker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; BUnderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcm icha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; m m cg inley@carmeldadsclub.arg Proposed softball fields - Prairie Trace From: Sent: To: Importance: High To the Carmel-Clay School Corporation: My name is patricia Y. Pan, and I am a Carmel resident. I ask the board to take four actions in regards to the high school softball complex: 1. Upgrade the Cherry Tree complex to minimize its impact on the neighborhood. 2. Honor the 1997 plans for prairie Trace and limit the use of its ball fields to practices only. 3. Sign a written agreement with the Haverstick HOA regarding #2. 4. Purchase property on the city's west side for a future sports complex. For future major projects like this one, I encourage you to reach out to the taxpayers and parents who will be impacted by your decisions. We can be more understanding when we are involved earlier in the process, not three weeks before a vote. Respectfully, Haverstick Resident patricia Y. Pan 13341 grouse Point Trail Carmel, IN 46033 ppan@wiley. com 1 Page 1 of2 Tingley, Connie S From: Sent: To: Jason Bickett [jbickett@proact.com] Monday, March 24,2008 10:04 AM Roger McMichael; nbickett@proact.com; Stephen A. Backer; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (External); Barb Underwood; Jim Inskeep; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin D; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcginley@carmeldadsclub.org Ron Farrand; Lori Storer Cc: Subject: Re: Carmel Proposed Softball Complex Attachments: CTS.jpg Roger, In theory, what you are saying makes sense, however in reality it is not really accurate. Right now the kids at Cherry tree have the big field directly west of the school doors in which to play. In your plans most of that area will be taken up with dugouts, infields, concessions stands and sidewalks, not really "green space". The outfield of the northeast field (in the overlay) will be the most convenient, but will that area really be available to the kids? What happens when the turf gets torn up by the kids? Having 1 00 elementary school kids all playing on the field is a lot different than having 3 or 4 outfielders on it. Plus, it looks like that field will be the "main" field as evidenced by the large stand of bleachers in the drawing. From a tax payer perspective, I don't know if I want to keep paying to fix an outfield because it's the only area these kids can play. I just noticed something else about that main field, the PA speakers will be pointed directly at our neighborhood. Generally, you direct the speaker towards the stands and audience. We were told that the new design would be such that the speakers would be directed away from the neighborhood. It might not sound like a big deal, but when there are games being played at night it can be annoying, We live just about as far as possible from the school as we can in Avian Glen. I can clearly hear who is at bat and on deck during games. We were hoping with the speakers directly away from Avian Glen, this would be reduced. There will be a lot of green space to the northwest of the school, but that is a lot farther from the school doors. I have attached a portion of the overlay you sent with the area highlighted in yellow where the kids play today. I don't know if it will matter because it seems like the decision has been made, but I don't think it is accurate to say we will have the same amount of green space. They may have the same square footage of green space, but it will not be as convenient to use and it will be broken up by sidewalks, infields and fences. Thanks again for your consideration. Jason Bickett ----- Original Message __m From: gQg~LMGM~halli To: J1i::JjG~gtt@R[Q~.GJ.GQJD ;$J~p!J.~rL.6.E:l;:lGkt:)r ;JQElMill~.r.: :E.?ri,!Q~...G919Qrt:)$J3 ; J_E':t[ryCi:lrt?LLI;.xt?m.?U ;~glri:lLJDcJE'!r\IYOQcJ ; J.l.r.D I..Q$~!;l..l;lR ; c;t!ngl..E:y@cLG..9.!...m/';!Un,l.,l_s ; jgriffi1b~@(;13rm.ElLLrL9QY. ; rCClrt~r@c;9fDJSlLin.gO\l ; .kr]Q/,;!r@Qgrm?Li/J.gQY ; r~h9rR.@~i3rl]1.E:LLn..gQy' ;~$5'Jgl:l..nstjc;k..eJ@c:g rmE:.!..LIJ,QQ'v ; jCiQQ?ULJ ro..@.Ggrmfll,LCL.99Y ; l..~mygt:lr@G9rmeUD... gQY ; mJJlsgio.!~Y@c;_g[mJtlg.99s<:;I.LJb.Qrg Cc: .J.?$.QJJ...e.jQk~H ; 89DEi;!.Cr<!OQ ; ..L...QI'..i..$!QL?L Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: RE: Carmel Proposed Softball Complex Nicole: There are four regulation Sized fields currently at CT and there will be four fields with the new project. Currently two fields are fenced and the new project will have four fenced fields. However, the school will have access to the fields via a gate, thus the elementary school will not have less green space than is currently available. Attached is an overlay of the project. -~'-'."-~-'---'~'-"""'-""~"''''"''''"'-'-"'~"~----'"-"~-_'~--'m'-'~'-ccv-_.,~..~~__,_...~_~"_,,~.~~~__._~,.~_~_~~_~ From: Nicole Bickett [mailto:nbickett@proact.com] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:41 PM To: Stephen A. Backer; Joe Miller; Bruce Calabrese; Jeffry Carter (External); Barb Underwood; Roger McMichael; Jim Inskeep; 3/24/2008 Page 2 of2 ctingley@ci.carmel.in.us; jg riffiths@carmel.in.9QY; rcarter@carmel.in.gov; krider@carmel.in.gov; rsham(alcarmel. in .gov; ~eig_ensJicker@c::.:lrmel.in-,gQV; j9-.q::~tt:urQ@~Q[meJjl1,gQ\I;lsJlydef@.C.9..rm_eJ,.L!J,.g_QY; !DmcgLn!ey'@.r;;9nJJ.~Jgqgs.t;:J!JQ.Qrg Cc: 'Jason Bickett' Subject: Carmel Proposed Softball Complex I am a resident of Avian Glen neighborhood and the parent of two Cherry Tree Elementary students. I plan on attending the school board meeting on Monday, 3/24, and am interested in learning more about the proposed softball complex at Cherry Tree. My concerns are with the size of the complex and the fence around it cutting off the green space where the children currently play and school activities take place. I would like to learn if it is possible to have two fields at Cherry Tree and the potential for two more on the west side of Carmel. This would allow for the same amount (or close to) of the green space that we currently have at Cherry Tree and mare fairness to people who live on the west side of Carmel in terms of their proximity to games. Thank you for your consideration! Nicole Bickett 5116 Puffin Place Carmel, IN 46033 (317) 815-1676 nbickett@proact.com 3/24/2008 ~~ ,.....,7~ "..x ~.. ,., e' II ~ ., it..1 ~:'.t' r;;.. ... ,. "" Page 1 of 1 Tingley, Connie S From: Pam Walquist [pwalquist@hotmail.com) Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1 :32 PM To: sbatker@ccs.k12.in.us; jmiller@ccs.k12.in.us; bcalabrese@ccs.k12.in.us; jeffry.carter@sbcglobal.net; bunderwo@ccs.k12.in.us; rmcmicha@ccs.k12.in.us; jinskeep@ccs.k12.in.us; Tingley, Connie S; Griffiths, Joe; Carter, Ronald E; Rider, Kevin 0; Sharp, Rick; Seidensticker, Eric; Accetturo, John V; Snyder, Luci; mmcg inley@carmeldadsclub.org Our name is Pam and CurtWalquist and we are Carmel residents. We will have 2 children attending Prairie Trace Elementary School. AdditionallYI I was a member of the CHS Varsity Softball Team when I attended CHS, and an 8 year member of the Carmel Dad's Club Softball. I am especially concerned that this school board was not looking out for the best interests of ALL Carmel school children, and allowed the previous proposal to be considered. Did any board members ever evaluate what this would mean to current/future students at Prairie Trace - who was looking out for them? We ask the board to take four actions in regards to the high school softball complex: 1. Upgrade the Cherry Tree complex to minimize its impact on the neighborhood. 2. Honor the 1997 plans for Prairie Trace and limit the use of its ball fields to practices only. 3. Sign a written agreement with the Haverstick HOA regarding #2. 4. Purchase property on the city's west side for a future sports complex. For future major projects like this one, we encourage you to reach out to the taxpayers and parents who will be impacted by your decisions. We can be more understanding when we are involved earlier in the process, not three weeks before a vote. J"J Please consider the environment before printing In a rush? Get real~time answers with Windows Live Messenger. 3/24/2008