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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 08-29-03 Hearing OfficerPLAN COMMISSION AUGUST 29, 2003 HEARING OFFICER MIKE HOLLIBAUGH Representing Shapiro's: Brian Shapiro Chris McComas In attendance: Mike Hollibaugh, Department of Community Service Laurence Lillig, Department of Community Service Steve Engelking, Carmel Redevelopment Committee Bob Battreall, Carmel City Council Bob Olson, CSO Architects Brian Shapiro Chris McComas OVERVIEW: CHRIS MCCOMAS: Last September or October this came before the Carmel Redevelopment Commission to present Phase II of Shapiro's block. This is the existing Shapiro's building where we propose to build a bank and retail building and to complete this block from Fire Station Road to the new Monon Green Drive and to complete Veterans Way and extend the parking lot and complete the streetscape along Range Line. This building is made up of three (3) elevations. The retail portion is a two-story building, first floor retail with fourteen feet, eight inches (14'8") floor height and second floor office that will expand over the drive-thru. This is the third (3rd) building it appears as a three-story but in reality is a one-story that wraps around the corner on Monon Green Drive. We will be using the same material that was used on Shapiro's. We will be using face brick Aberdeen from Glen-Gerry and Old Detroit brick on tree wells. The retail portion of the building uses the Old DetroiC brick. We would build the intermediate building with the Aberdeens on the drive-thru portion. The Bank will be a blend of Aberdeen with rustic burgundy, so the Bank will have an appearance of being the oldest building on the block. The shingles are laminated, azchitectural shingles. The shingles on the bank and retail building will be slightly different shades from the Shapiro's building. All the trim will be white. The downspouts will be half round gutters with round downspouts-white painted aluminum. The windows will be aluminum with gray tinted glass very similaz to the Shapiro's building. The landscaping is all the same-it starts at Shapiro's and is augmented and continues along Range Line. The light poles in the parking lot match the S:~P1anComrwssion~PublicHearingOfficer~2003 aug29 ones at Shapiro's with the same lighting pattern. The building is twenty-Five thousand (25,000) square feet, (total) not including eighteen hundred (1,800) squaze feet in the drive-thru. In response to Bob Battreall's question, Mr. McComas stated the existing curb cut will be utilized from the old center (Muldoon's) but it will be modified-right out only from the bank drive-thru. We will submit to the Board of Public Works for approval. The water main will service off the existing water main, and tha sewers off the existing sewers, both from phase-I. The electrical is off the existing electrical conduit at the transformer behind the Police building all underground. PUBLIC HEARING OPEN: No comments. PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. CRC Staff Report: STEVE ENGELKING: CRC is supportive of this plan. The pazking lot and trash structure already exist. This portion of the parking lot is a road continuation of Veterans Way Drive up to the intersection with Monon Green Drive; much of Monon Green Drive involves this curb-cut on the west side of the street and it is the responsibly of CRC. CRC is presently working on a construction management contract for that portion. This also extends a walking path, parking lot and detention area-making it an open detention area-until such time as we develop pazcel S further, at which time it will become an underground detention system like the Reflecting Pond. The phase-I1 balance portion of the Shapiro's project, which involves the streetscape, a part of Monon Green, and the buildings and pads will be the responsibility of the CRC. The CRC recommends favorable consideration. DEPARTMENT REPORT: LAURENCE LILLIG: Spoke with the City Engineer's office-they have the plans and are in the process of review. Once they have made their comments the plans will need updating to reflect those comments. Scots Brewer, Urban Forester, has not yet received updated landscape plans based on his comments; a set needs to be delivered to him ASAP. S: ~P1anCommis sion~PublicHearing0 fficer~2003 aug29 The last correspondence received from Soil & Water said the erosion control plan is unsatisfactory. The plans that were distributed to DOGS and Engineering on August 19, 2003-were they also distributed to the TAC Committee? Bob Olson responded in the negative. Laurence Lillig said the plans need to be distributed to TAC members so they can see if their comments have been answered. Briefly, here are those comments. HAMILTON COUNTY SURVEYOR: Hawkins Drain runs along west side of this project and needs to be addressed. VECTREN: The transmission line needs to be marked. Vectren also noted that they need easements for the transformer and a way to access the primary. URBAN FORESTER: Scott Brewer has provided you with a comment letter and needs a copy of the revised plans. ENGINEERNG: Still in the review stage-comments are forthcoming. COMMUNICATIONS DEPT (Bill Akers): Need to see the floor plans to assign suite numbers. HAMILTON COUNTY SOIL & WATER: Has issued a letter dated July 15, 2003 stating Erosion Control Plan is unsatisfactory. FIRE DEPARTMENT: Are the buildings going to be sprinklered? Answer: "Yes." Is the valve servicing both buildings? Answer: "No, each building will be separate." JON DOBOSIEWICZ: Recommends bumper stops for the dumpster to protect cars from the encroachment of the dumpster. LAURENCE LILLIG: Has received a copy of the photo-metrics plan and was provided with cut-sheets for the architectural up lighting. STEVE ENGELKE~IG: Much of Veterans Way and Monon Green is initial construction. The new construction will postpone the decision for the exact number of streetlight fixtures until they have more project information on the Monon Green. However, there is a plan in place for lighting. S:1P1anCommis sion~PublicHearing0 fficer~2003 aug29 LAURENCE LILLIG: Architectural design elevations that have been provided appear to be consistent with what was approved by CRC as well as the site plan from a planning and zoning sampling. Since we were not provided with specific dimensional drawings of the proposed sign-signage per Les Olds will be covered in the ADLS Amendment. The ADLS Amendment is anon-public hearing item so we will only need a 48-hour notice posted. In addition, due to the types of signs that are being proposed, specifically the awning signs, variances will be required from Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA). CRC will be acting as the petitioner on all variance requests for projects that have been approved by them previously. The petitioner on Shapiro's phase I-Schwinn, Amli, etc. will be handled by the CRC and heard by a BZA Hearing Officer. Ideally, the ADLS amendment for signage will be put on the same Agenda for the Hearing Officer. DOCS will require the specifics of the design of the sign and the dimensions. MIKE HOLLIBAUGH: Questions for Chris McCombs. When looking at the current submission and comparing it with the existing Shapiro's building, are there any differences in detailing besides the brick color that stand out-and what about the shutters? CHRIS MCCOMBS: Response. No, there is still the color border, grapevine joints, full blemish bond, the details are consistent with Shapiro's. The shutters are actually applied and non-operational, probably redwood. We even have a fence on this one-on the top. MIKE HOLLIBAUGH: The fence between existing and new...... CHRIS MCCOMBS: We are going to have to see how that gets resolved. We want to close that off because we do not want people walking through; also, we want to be consistent with the fence that was previously approved around the delivery area of Shapiro's. We want to work that out dimensionally between the buildings. MIKE HOLLIBAUGH: So, then, this submittal doesn't count, OK. Question regarding the Dormer windows on Flagstar Bank-the dormers appear to be out of proportion to the overall. CHRIS MCCOMBS: States the Flagstar Bank is supposed to look like it is a house. A house would not necessarily have a full third story but more of an attic-that is why the windows are small. BOB OLSON: Compared the Dormers with those existing on the Carmel Fire Station which are more elongated but still small in proportion to the building. MIKE HOLLIBAUGH: Still does not like the size, but OK. S:~PlanCommission~PublicHearingOfficer~2003 aug29 FORMAL ACTION Approved by Plan Commission Hearing Officer, Mike Hollibaugh, contingent upon satisfactory resolution of all TAC comments, including City Engineer and Urban Forester, plans revised and distributed accordingly. Note: All issues need to be resolved prior to issuance of building permits. Per Laurence Lillig, State Law requires 10 days notice for BZA Hearing Officer. Again, need to know the specifics of the design of the signs and dimensions. BRIAN SHAPIRO: Has talked with the Mayor who wants to do a groundbreaking ceremony for Flagstar the week after Labor Day. Does the erosion control situation hold that up~an we still put a pad in? LAURENCE LILLIG: Stated the Erosion Control Plan is essentially the pan for how the sediment is going to be controlled on the site. It probably will not hold up progress and will not affect the groundbreaking. STEVE ENGELKIlVG: Groundbreaking ceremony should be coordinated with Nancy Heck, the Mayor's Publication Relations person. MIKE HOLLIBAUGH: The issues with Kate Weese, City Engineer, and Scott Brewer, Urban Forester, need to be resolved prior to the issuance of any building permit. The meeting adjourned at 9:30 AM. Mike Hollibaugh, Hearing Officer for the Carmel Plan Commission Ramona Hancock, Secretary Carmel Plan Commission S:~PlanCommission~PublicHearingOfficer~2003 aug29 CARMEL/CLAY ADVISORY PLAN COMMISSION HEARING OFFICER C-1/CITY CENTER DISTRICT HEARING August 29, 2003 Location: Division of Planning & Zoning Conference Room (3~d Floor) Carmel City Hall One Civic Square Carmel, Indiana 46032 Time: 9:00 AM Agenda A. Docket No. 109-03 DP/ADCs; Carmel City Center, Parcel 10, Shapiro's, Phase II The applicant seeks approval to construct two multi-tenant commercial buildings. The site is located southwest of the corner of City Center Drive and South Range Line Road. Filed by Bob Olson of CSO on behalf of the Carmel Redevelopment Commission.