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Carmel/Clay Advisory Board of Zoning Appeals
April 28, 2003
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10j. Lakes Hayden Run, Section 1, Block A (SUA -39 -03 (SU- 147 -02b))
Petitioner seeks to amend the approval granted for Docket No. SU- 147 -02 in order to construct a
thirty -foot wide pool.
The site is located at 13174 Roma Bend. The site is zoned S -1 /Residence Estate.
The Board will need to suspend the Rules of Procedure to allow a ten -day notice in order to hear
this Item.
On August 26, 2002, the Board approved Docket No SU- 147 -02 with the following Conditions
of Approval:
1. That the Secondary Plat for the Lakes at Hayden Run, Section One (Plan Commission Docket
No. 28 -02 SP), be recorded and one mylar and three paper copies of the recorded plat returned to
the Department of Community Services prior to an Improvement Location Permit being issued for
this. project;
2. That all outstanding Technical Advisory Committee issues be resolved prior to the issuance of an
Improvement Location Permit for this project;
3. That Landscape Plan approval be delegated to the Urban Forester, and that such approval be
granted prior to the issuance of an Improvement Location Permit for this project;
4. That the pool be a minimum of seventy-five (75) feet in length;
5. That the pool be a minimum if thirty -two (32) feet wide (thirty -six (36) feet preferred); and
6. That the pool be a minimum of three feet, six inches (3' 6 in depth throughout
Petitioner would like to amend Condition No. 5 to allow the width of the pool to be thirty (30)
feet.
Remonstrance:
Rebuttal:
The Department recommends favorable consideration of this petition.
Item 10j.
exhibit A
Lakes at Hayden Run, Section 1, Block A
Carmel /Clay Board of Zoning Appeals
August 26, 2003
17j. Lakes at Hayden Run, Section 1, Block A (SU- 147 -02)
Petitioner seeks Special Use approval in order to establish a private recreational facility on 1.249± acres.
The site is located at 13175 Roma Bend. The site is zoned S- 1/Residence Estate.
Filed by Tom Kutz of Centex Homes.
Present for Petitioner: Tom Kutz, 6602 E. 75 Street, Suite 100, Indianapolis, IN 46250. The project will include a
2000 square foot pool, a kiddy swimming pool, a bathhouse with men and women's restrooms, a pool equipment
room and a storage room, with an associated parking lot.
Tom Neal, 2555 W. 131 Street, Carmel, IN. He was interested in the lighting at night. He would like to see them
keep lighting down and would like to see a layout.
Mr. Kutz stated there would be two floodlights off back corners of the building to shine on the pool area. They will
be operated by a photocell. They will shine on the pool and pool deck throughout the night. Exterior coach lights
will be mounted on the base of the building. Landscape lighting will be used in the front of the building to shine
toward the face of the building. The hours of operation will be dusk to dawn. A lifeguard will be on duty.
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Carmel/Clay Advisory Board of Zoning Appeals
April 28, 2003
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Mr. Lillig gave the Department Report. He recommended favorable consideration with the following conditions: 1)
The Secondary Plat for the Lakes at Hayden Run be recorded prior to an Improvement Location Permit being issued
for this project; 2) All outstanding Technical Advisory Committee issues be resolved prior to the issuance of an
Improvement Location Permit for this project; and 3) The Landscape Plan approval be delegated to the Urban
Forester, and that such approval be granted prior to the issuance of an Improvement Location Permit for this project.
The only outstanding TAC concerns are an approved Landscape Plan by the Urban Forester and an Erosion Control
Plan that has been accepted by Soil and Water Conservation.
Mr. Kutz stated they have not received anything from Soil and Water. An Erosion Control Plan was done for the
entire Phase 1 of this project in which this facility resides. Erosion Control Plan for entire area being developed is on
file.
Mr. Lillig stated that Emerald Crest had no time limit to submit Landscape Plan to Urban Forester and one had not
been received 25 months later. The Department has not had any complaints about Centex, but that is why the
Department is asking for approvals before an ILP is issued.
Mr. Weinkauf had questions regarding the dimensions of the pool. He had concern that the pool is functional, not
just decorative or for wading. A pool needs to be 75 feet in length, 36 feet wide and 3.5 feet deep for competitive
swimming.
Mr. Kutz stated the pool would be 75 feet long and 26 feet 8 inches wide. Lane stripes will be painted on the bottom.
The depth will be 3 feet to 6 feet. The Haverstick community pool was this same size and diving was not allowed. A
swim team had not been considered.
Mr. Mohr stated that the pool is adequate for the number of residents to be functional, but is not an obligation to be
built for competitive swimming.
Discussion followed concerning making the pool appropriate for competitive swimming, insurance for the facility,
and access to the pool.
Mrs. Rice asked if Mr. Neal's concerns had been adequately addressed.
Mr. Neal stated excessive nighttime illumination that was not needed for security was the concern. They were
opposed to tall mercury lights, which are intrusive. What he had heard seemed appropriate.
Mr. Kutz stated the pool would be built for the competitive swimming specifications. The Homeowners Association
would have the rights for allowing for these events.
Mr. Weinkauf moved to approve SU- 147 -02, Lakes at Hayden Run, Section 1, Block A with the provision that the
swimming pool be 75 feet long by a minimum of 32 feet, preferably 36 feet in width and at least 3.5 feet throughout
the entire pool and along with the Conditions laid out in the Department Report. The motion was seconded by Mrs.
Rice and APPROVED 4 -0 with Mr. Dierckman abstaining.
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