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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes PC 11-18-86 CARMEL KLAN COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 1986 67 The regular meeting of the Carmel Plan Commission was called to order by IT the "President, Richard Albright, at 7,:31 P.M. November 18, 1986 at the City Meeting Hall. The meeting opened with the Pledge of Allegiance Roll was called and all members were present as follows: Richard Albright, Sue McMullen, Jeff Davis, Sandra Long, Vaughn Story, Jim O'Neal, Sr., Ila Badger, Paul Ayers, Jim Schneider (arrived 7:45), Henrietta Lamb, Max Moore, Minnie Doane and Bob Boone. Staff members in attendance were: Chuck Kiphart, Dave Rickard, Gordon Byers and Rosalind McCart. There were no additions or corrections to the minutes with amendment, agenda item 3i, Docket No. 63 -86 Z for John Pearson, and Mrs. Badger moved that the October 21, 1986 minutes be approved as submitted. Seconded by Mrs. McMullen. Motion carried. Regarding soil disposal practice in the Clay Twp. area, Mr. Albright add- ressed this matter in a letter to Mrs. Badger g (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy) requesting that the Land Use Com- mittee look into this at its next meeting. Mrs.. McMullen informed that the City Council approved the Pearson Ford Rezone at its last meeting. G... Public Hearings lg. 7 :30 P.M., Public Hearing on Docket No. 8 -86 P.P., Primary Plat Appli- cation for McCallister Subdivision consisting of two lots on 2.9 acres of land. Site is zoned S -1 and is located east of Gray Rd. south on Wintergreen Lane adjacent to Wood Brook Downs Estates Subdivision in Clay Twp., Hamilton County Indiana. Filed by Gordon and Mary Anrri McCallister, owner. The public hearing opened at ?:38,with Stuart Huckleberry of Weihe Engineer- ing making the presentation. The primary plat was shown and location presented for a two lot subivision -on individual sanitary systems. Water will be serviced by individual wells on .site. Mr. and Mrs. McCallister were present. Greg Johnson, Briarwood Subdivision, questioned how the lots are to be laid out and how drainage is anticipated. Mr. Huckleberry responded that drainage will flow to the south toward Briar wood Subdivision. Mr. Huckleberry said it is a small subdivision of only two lots and run off i::.negligable. The public hearing closed at 7 :43. Mr. Huckleberry related that they have septic approval on only one lot at this time. There has been no response yet for the request for the second lot approval. Mr. Huckleberry said the requests were.not submitted at the same time. This item was referred to the Subdivision Committee for review on December 2, 1 986 at the City Meeting Hall. 2 g. 7 :30 P.M. Public Hearing on Docket No. 88 -86 P.P., Primary Plat Appli- cation for Brooks Manor Subdivision consisting of five lots on 3.9 acres of land. Site is zoned R -1 and is located.north of 116th St. directly east of Briar Cove Estates Subdivision in Carmel, Indiana. Filed by Steve Wilson, Developer /Owner. The pubiio hearing opened at 7 :44 with. Stuart Huckleberry of Weihe En ing making the presentation for a five lot subdivision on gineer- The home price will range from $250,000 to $400,000. 3.9 acres. The plat was shown for this site which is located across from Woodbrook Elementary School. Alan Arnett, Briar Cove Estates, stated that they thought this area was part of the flood plain and that it still floods every year. Mr. Arnett said they are concerned about the quality and construction of the homes being the same b S UMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 1986 Page 2 as are on tneir street., Bob Hughs, attorney on behalf of three neighbors in Briar and Mro. Stranshy, Mr. and Cove, (Mr. Mrs. Bauer and Mr. s t arid,_ Mrs.. Hughs spoke in opposition, Mr. Hughs related that =whenhese people built their homes it was represented to them that this land,in;.question was in a flood"plain, and if this land in question is filled the y are concerned about the effect on their land. The true removal on the border would be a detriment to the people Thore would be landscaping problems and it would devalue ropert Bri Cove. stated that the question is the number of homes that can go property. land. Mr. Hughs said they do not know for sure where the property line is or where the sower is located and they feel the issue of the property line needs to be addressed before this matter goes any further. Mr. Hughs said they are con- cerned about the number of homes that can go in this area and they feel this should remain in committee until the lot line is worked out. IVIr. Huckleberry responded regarding the flood plain and flood way. IVIr. Wilson said there is a 20 ft. easement next to Briar Cove and that no- thing will be disturbed within that easement. The public hearing closed at 8:07. Mr. Davis asked for a detail description of how this property in question falls in relationship to Briar. Cove. This item was referred to the Subdivision Committee for review on December 2', 1986 at 7 :30 P.M. at the City Meeting Hall. Interested parties are invited to attend. This item will be reviewed by the Technical Advisory Committee at 10 :00 A.M on Thursday, November 20,.1986. 3g. 7 :3 P.M., Public Hearing on Docket No. -86 P.P., Primary Plat Appli- cation for Timber Heights Subdivision consisting of 27 lots on 13.9 acres of land. Site is zoned S -2 and is located east of Westfield Blvd, and directly south of Howard Park and Spring Hill Estates Subdivision in Clay Twp.,Hamilton County Indiana. Filed by Al Hughey, Developer /Owner., The public hearing opened at 8:12 with Mr. Hughey making the presentation. The plat was explained and an aerial photo shown. The petitioner wishes to develop the area into a subdivision of 27 lots, approximately 100 ft. wide and 125 to 140 ft. in depth The price range will be from $140,000 upward to $160,000 or $170,000. IVIr. Hughey stated that he must have the cul -de -sac because he cannot obtain the adjacent tract necessary for outlet. Karen Evans, 10415 Westfield Blvd. (1st prop er ition) related that there is a turn around there andnthat Mr. tHugheyphasdagrreed to give them an easement. Pat Elwood, 102 21'Westfield Blvd., and Ralph Wells, 10505 Spring Hill Dr., spoke of a drainage concern. Glen Graham, Spring Hill Subdivision, questioned whether the homes would be on 'wells or what. Mr. Hughey said they will be all public utilities. Dan McCalla, 10205 Westfield Blvd., questioned a buffer zone. Mr. Hughey said there are no plans for a buffer zone, but that they do plan to keep as many trees as possible there. Mr. McCalla spoke of ,drainage 'concerns and stated further that he would like to see a buffer between this proposed area and his home. Mr. Huckleberry said the sewer will be Clay Regional Waste District and lated that.there will be a detention area on site which was shown on the 1 The drainage detention area was explained by Mr. Huckleberry and Mr. pat. Hughey. The public hearing closed at 8:31.: Mr. Davis stated that building this with a stub as opposed to a cul -de -sac will be addressed. Mr. Hughey said personally he does not want a stubbed street in there. CARMEL "PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 1986 Page 3 69 Mr. Boone asked counsel if there is anything to do to make the county com- missioners condemn this 10 ft. strip 'of ground so'the street could Mr. Byers responded that without researching he could'not at this time o say legally whether or not one can force the county commissioners to take the property, but what Mr. Boone said is logical and you would have a logical presentation to the county commissioners to take the property. Mr. Hughey said that taxes are being paid on this strip of ground. There will be accel -decel lanes on Westfield Blvd. This item.was sent to .the,Subdivision Committee for review on December 2, 1986 at City Meeting Hall. H. Old Business lh. Commission to consider Docket No. 2 -86 Z and 7 73 -86 D.P., A Rez.niie an'S''\ Preliminary Development Plan Application for a 10 .92- aar -e rare 1 (Parcel A) and a 4 acre parcel of ground (Parce] „.-BB) from the 'existing R -1 District to M -3 to be made part of Carmel Science and Technology Park. Parcel A is located on the east side of Old Meridian St. adjacent to the proposed W. Carmel Dr. Parcel B is located on the west side of Guilford Rd.' north of the proposed W. Carmel "Dr. in Clay Twp, IP Filed by Carter Jackson for Carmel Science Technology Park Assoc. Mr. Nelson was present. An aerial photo was displayed. Mrs. Badger gave the Land Use Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy). The committee recommended approval of both Docket Nos., 72 -86 Z and 73 -86 D.P., as presented and Mrs. Badger moved that Docket No. 72 -86 Z be approved as presented. Seconded by Dr. Long. Motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Badger moved that Docket No. 73 -86 D.P. be approved as presented. Seconded by Miss Doane. Motion carried unanimously. 2h. Commission to consider Docket No. 4 -8o ADLS, An Lighting, Landscaping and Signage Application or�Ultimate u Car /ash facility to be located at 431 E. Carmel Dr. (between the proposed Rocky Rococo restaurant and the existing Flanner Buchanan Funeral Home) Carmel, IN. The 1.18 acre site is currently zoned B -8. The facility is 4.636 sq. ft. in size, faces Carmel Dr. and has five outside vacuum stations on the west side of the building. Filed by Thomas L. Duke, Owner. Mr. Coots was present. Mr. Boone gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy). The committee recommended approval per the committee report contingent upon Board of Public Works approval of sewer and water availability. Seconded by Mrs. Badger. Mr. Coots explained the landscaping on the west boundary and front elevation and a landscaping rendering was shown as to what one would see from Carmel Dr. Mr. Ayers asked for the traffic pattern with Rocky Rococo to be described. Mr. Friedlander, representing remonstrators, asked to be heard. Mr. Albright said that they were present at committee and that their con- cerns had been heard. Mr. Friedlander said they were not appraised of the Technical Advisory Com- mittee and some concerns were not addressed there. Mr. Albright stated.that'they have had their input. Mr. Schneider moved to suspend the rules and hear Mr. Friedlander's present- atiori. Seconded by Miss Doane. Motion failed 4 For, 9 Against. Motion to approve carried 7 For, 6 Against. Y.URIVIEL ,FLAN COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBLR 18, 1986 Page' y1 3h. .Commission to consider Docket No. -86 ADLS; amended site landscap and additional lighting proposal for the existing Burger King restaurai located at 613 E Carmel Dr., .CarmelIN. ite is. zoned B -8. Play are facilities will not be, changed. Filed by Dave Coots' for Rockville Development Co. 'Mr. Coots was present. Mr. Boone gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy). The committee recommended approval and asked that two separate. votes be taken -.one for the lighting and one for the landscaping. Mr. Boone moved to approve lighting as presented. Seconded by Mrs. Lamb. Kiphart informed that the plans on file still show a light spillage on to tarmel._Dr_._-and are not correct. Mr. Boone withdrew his motion and Mrs. Lamb withdrew her second. Mr. Boone moved that the- .lighting be approved when it does meet the Ordin- ance and when•there are plans'•on file that show that there is no spillage of light onto Carmel Dr. Seconded by Mrs. Lamb. Mr.. Coots explained showing the sits plan and stated that their intent is to comply with the Ordinance and that they will comply. The motion carried 11 For, 2 Against (Dr. Long and Mrs. McMullen voting NO) Regarding the landscaping, staff related that they have no problem with this and that it is an improvement over the original plan. If it is done as the plan shows, it will be an improvement. Mr. Coots said they commit to the equipment in the play area being main- .tained in the same color.as on the now existing play equipment and that it will be the same size. Mr. Boone moved to approve the landsc.ipe clan as presented. Seconded by Mr. Story. Motion carried unanimously. 4hr. Commission to consider Docket N62 ADLS, An architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping and S.iUnage Application for Peter Rabbit Day 'Care facility to be located west of College Ave. (11660 College Ave.) as ex- tended into Meridian.Technology Center (Phase 4) Carmel, IN. Facility is one story (23 ft. high) two phased (Phase, One -5918 sq. ft. in size/ Phase Two- 5918•sq. ft.). The 2.3 acre site is located in both a B -2 and B -6 zoned .district. Board of Zonin; Appeals Special Use approval also required... Filed by Kevin Miller for Stamp and Altman Properties, Browning Invest- ments, Inc. and Technology Center Assoc. Ltd. Mr. Miller was present. Mr. Boone gave :the Industrial and Commercial Committee report, (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy). The committee recommended approval and Mr. Boone so moved. Seconded by Mrs. Lamb. Mr. Miller said they agreed to comply with Technical Advisory Committee r©colnmendations. Motion carried unanimously. 5h. Commission to consider Docket.No.'79 -86 P.-P., Primary for Springmill Ridge Subdivision consisting of 85 lots acres n of land. Site is zoned S -2 and is located on the S.,Y. corner of Spring Mill Rd. and M. 131st St. in Clay Twp. Subdivision variance requested for private access drive to lots 70 and 71. Filed by George Sweet for Brenwick Development Co. Mr. Sweet and Joe Sharp were present. The plat was displayed. 1r. Davis gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the S rCARMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 1986 Page ?1 of minutes and attached to the master copy). The committee recommended approval of the primary plat and of the variance request Mr .•.Davis so moved. Seconded by Miss Doane. I. Mr. Sweet informed that after the committee meeting they figured out a way to'figure a 50 ft. frontage, so they do not now need a variance. Mr. Sweet ---:-explained. Mr. Davis withdrew his motion and moved to approve as amended this evening. Seconded by Miss Doane. Findings of fact were completed by members. Motion carried unanimously. 6h. Commission to consider Docket No. 80 -86 P.P., Primary Plat Application for Springmill Streams, Sections 6, 7, 8 and 9 consisting of 1124.1ots on 115.62 acres of land. Site is zoned S -•and is located on the east side of Clay Center Rd. adjacent to the existing Springmill Streams Subdivision in Clay Twp. Filed by George Sweet for Brenwick Development Co. Mr. Sweet and Joe Sharp were present. The plat was displayed. Mr. Davis gave the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the official minutes and attached to the master copy). The Committee recommended approval and Mr. Davis so moved. 'Seconded by Mr. Schneider. Mr, Sweet stated that they are improving their half of Clay Center Rd. Findings of fact were completed by members. Motion carried unanimously. 7h. Commission to consider Docket No. 81 -Sd P.P., Primary Plat Application and Secondary Plat Application for Green on Meridian lots on 7.92 acres of land. Site is zoned B-5/U.S. consisting of 4 located on the S.E. corner of N. Meridian St. and 31 Overlay and is f Development Plan previously d 103rd St. in Clay p, puroved as D ocket No, 28 -85 D.P. Filed by Cedarwood Companies. Mr. Oberdorfer was present. Mr. Davis gave -the Subdivision Committee report (which is a part of the off.icial'minutes and attached to the master copy). The committee recommended approval of both the primary and secondary plats and Mr. Davis so moved. Seconded by Miss Doane. Mr. Oberdorfer said they are seeking this to create a commercial subdivision of 4 lots for financing purposes. Findings of fact were completed by members. Motion carried unanimously. 8h. Commission'to consider Docket No. 83 P.P., Primary Plat Application for Cedar Lake Subdivision, Sec. 2, consisting of 16 lots on 7.5 acres of land. Site is zoned R -1 and is located on the west side of Rohrer Rd. south of the existing Cedar Lake, Sec. 1 Subdivision.. Filed by' Phillip A. Dyer. Mr. Dyer and Mr. Huckleberry of 'r /eihe Mr. Davis gave the Subdivision Committee�report (which committee is a par official minutes an attached to the master cop y)•c ar ommittee recot c the approval and Mr. Davis so- moved. mmended Seconded by Miss Doane. Mrs. McIVlullen said she wants to be sure the improvement of Rohrer Rd. was addressed. 8 Mr-. Huckleberry said it will be done, set by the highway dept, by July 1, Mr. Kiphart stated that bonds will be posted both with the Plan Commission and the County Commissioners. d 41RMEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 1986 Pa Mr. Kiphart said there is a three -way agreement with the city, the deve.�"' er, .and the county. that, this. will be done by July 1, 1987. Mr. Davis asked for 7a re"p:ort about the detention pond. Mr. Kiphart explained stating that there were two areas.of the pond that need attention. One part will be the responsibility of Steve Schutz for the subdivision directly to the west, and that was put in as part of his sub- division. Mr. Kiphart said he does have a letter from Kent Ward to Steve Schutz stating what those improvements are to the lake that is on the be. There is a second part of p property effected by these two subdivisions that Mr. Dyer has agreed to make improvements on. Mr. Kiphart said there is'a respons- ibility by both developers. A letter of 1985 from County Surveyor,.Kent Ward, was presented and Mr. Kiphart said that, as a result of thi's letter, he would put Technical Advisory Committee agenda to be resolved by Mr. lard. back on the Mr. Boone asked if it would be a hardship on the petitioner to table this matter until.next meeting. Mr. Dyer said they are not opposed if they would not lose am Mr. Davis stated that the detention Pond problem must b o any time. to be resolved by this evening. e resolved and was Mr. Boone moved to table until the next Plan Commission meeting. Seconded by Mrs. McMullen. Motion carried unanimously. This item will be on the December 2, 1986 agenda for the Subdivision Com- mittee. 9h. Commission to consider Docket No. -86 ADLS, An Architectural Des' Lighting and Signage Application for Phrase r aign, of Meridian `Technology Center (also to include Landscaping). Site is_ located at the N.E. corner of Pennsylvania St. and college Dr. Project to include one (3 ft. high) two story (40,000 sq. ft.) building and one (60 ft. high) 4 story (40,000 sq. ft.) building for Conseco, Inc. Submitted by Kevin Miller for Technology Center Assoc., Ltd., Michael G. Browning, General Partner. Mr.. Miller was present. Mr. Boone gave the Industrial and Commercial Committee. report part -of the official minutes and attached to the master coy) (e coh is a recorcmended approval and Mr. Boone so moved. The committee Seconded by Mrs.. MdMullen. Motion carried unanimously. I. New Business 11. Commission to consider Docket No. cation for Cedar Lake Subdivision, Sec. 2, .P. A Secondary Plat �ppli- acres of land. Site is zoned R -1 and is locatedsonnthefwestlside.of Rohrer Rd. directly south of the existing Cedar Lake Subdivision, Sec. •1 Clay Twp. Hamilton County Indiana. Filed by Phillip A. Dyer. Mr. Stuart Huckleberry•of Neihe.Engineer.ing made the presentation. This iern was sent to the Subdivision C.on:.mi for review on December 2, 1986 at the City Meeting Hall. 2i. Commission to consider Docket No. for Carrington Woods Subdivision Consisting lots y on18.13 pacresiof s of land. Site is zoned S -1 and is located north of 126th St. directly acres south of the Carmel Dad's Club and directly east of Clay Junior High School in Clay Twp. Hamilton County Indiana. Filed by Mike Ciunta, Paul L.ipps and Ora i7 1t• rp, Owners /Developers. Mr. Stuart Huckleberry of rleihe Engineerin Paul Li were present. Mr. Sharp made the presentation. I ps and Cr y 1 ah _arp CA ZMEL PLAN COM1ZVMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 1986 Page 7 73 Variances were a r pproved by the Board of Zoning Appeals. This item was sent to the Subdivision Committee for review on December 2, 1986 at the City Meeting Hall. The committee requests more guidance regarding accel -decel lanes for the December 2 meeting. L 3i. Commission to consider Docket No. 92 -86, Subdivision Si Approval/ Change for. Waterford Subdivision. Proposed sign Sign oc e p a median strip divider at the entrance to the subdivision located at the south east corner of Carmel Dr. E. and Keystone Ave., Carmel, IN. Proposed sign is 9 ft. high of brick and routed limestone construction with black painted letters. Size of sign and logo is 6.6 sq. ft. (Si 1 ft. x 5 ft. inches and logo. is 1 ft. x 1 ft.) Exterior ground lighting is proposed. Filed by Paul Estridge, Jr. Paul Estridge, Jr. made the presentation to obtain approval to reconstruct the entrance island area. The proposal was shown on the plan and a drawing of the sign 9 ft. high portico and approximately 6 ft. wide. There will be two columns and the sign is to be on top of the archway. Mr. Kiphart said this is a new and different type of sign here and this type of sign is not the intent of the Ordinance. [r. Kiphart said the final decision is with the Plan Commission. Mr. Albright said this does need some study at committee level. This item was referred to the Land Use Committee for review on December 2, 1986 at the City Meeting Hall. The Commission has concern for the height of the sign above ground level. This type of sign has never been presented before and will be studied at com- mittee level as to whether it does or does not comply with the Ordinance. 4i. Commission to consider Docket No: j for Kez stone Station, a 93'86 ADLS, A Sign Approval Applicatic f multi- tenant commercial shopping center. Site is zoned B -8 and located directly north of the Keystone Square Shopping. Center and directly east of Sol Tire Company in Carmel, IN. The pro- posed one -sided sign is 3 ft. 6 inches high. The actual sign face is 12 ft. x 2 ft. 6 inches or 30 sq. ft. The sign is of sand blasted cedar construction with natural brown background with ivory painted lettering. The sign is located south of the building in the parking lot and access road. L per strip Carmel Sign Ordinance. No lighting is proposed. Filed by Jeff Read, Owner. Mr. Read was present. Mr. Ron Byland of the sign company made the sand blasted cedar wood sign to be mounted approximately�12 "faboveviroue faced will be non illuminated, ground and A sign rendering was shown and the location for the sign was presented. Mr. Boone moved to suspend the rules and consider this matter this evening. seconded by Mrs. McMullen. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Kiphart said that this has been reviewed and does meet the Ordinance and he has no problem with this' approved this evening. \1r. Boone moved to approve as presented this evening. .seconded by Mrs. McMullen. Motion carried unanimously. 51. Commission to consider Docket No. 85-86 ADLS, '�DLS, An Architectural Design, Lighting and Si gnage Application for a 150 sq. ft. cooler enclosure add- ition for McDonald's. Site i2 zoned B -8 and is located at 750 E. Carmel Dr., Carmel, IN. Filed by Norm Rothenberg for '.acD 500. 7 66 MEL PLAN COMMISSION MINUTES NOVEMBER 18, 1986 Page Mr. Coots made the presentation for the cooler enclosure addition that is necessary because of an addition to 1 menu, It is an entirely en- closed brick structure to be used only as a Ceolerrefrigeration area, 147 sq, ft., added to the north face of the building. A drawing was shown. This item was referred to the Industrial and Commercial Committee for re- view on December 2, 1986 at the City Meeting Hall and to the Technical Advisory Committee for Thursday, November 20, 1986 at 4:00 P.M. An addition to the agenda this evening by letter of request from attorney Rlohard Kraege, dated November 14, 1986, was presented, regarding a change for Hardee's restaurant. Mr. Kraege stated that they want to add a door on the south side of the building for customer convenience and also there is a minor change in the footprint of the building. Mr. O'Neal moved to suspend the rule and consider this matter this even- ina. Seconded by Mr. Ayers. Motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boone moved to approve the request as presented this evening. Seconded by Mr. O'Neal. Motion carried unanimously. Regarding ordinance considerations, the proposed Subdivision and Parking Amundments were presented to members by Mr. Kiphart for their review and con- sideration. Mr. O'Neal asked that sidewalks in all subdivisions be considered. A suggestion for amending 5.7.3 was presented by Mr. Albright for consider- ation. There being no further business to come before the Commission, the meet- ing adjourned. President Secretary