HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes TAC 02-20-02CARMEUCLAY TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEETING
February 20, 2002
9:00 a.m.
Members present:
Jon Dobosiewicz Carmel DOCS Laurence Lillig DOCS
Jeff Kendall Bldg. Commissioner
Dick Hill Carmel Engineering
Todd Snyder Parks Department
Bill Akers Communications
Chuck Shupperd Vectren Energy
Gary Hoyt Carmel Fire Dept.
Rick McClain Cinergy
Pier I Imports (Building Modification)
Petitioner seeks to alter the architectural design approved as part of Docket No. 111 -87.
The site is located at 715 East Carmel Drive. The site is zoned B- 8/business and is
located within the SR 431 /Keystone Avenue Overlay Zone.
Filed by Glenn Golson, Jr., of Architecture for Pier 1 Imports.
Glenn Golson stated no significant changes are contemplated for the building. The
dumpster enclosure will be enlarged to accommodate both dumpsters. A masonry screen
will be added to enclose the gas meter and electrical panels. The existing landscaping is
in good condition; no changes are planned. The front sidewalks will be repaired where
necessary. Additional "accessible" parking spaces will be added to bring the lot up to
current ADA standards. The site light poles will be repainted. Modifications will be
made to the building. One regular parking space will be lost; but the store is over the
required amount for retail.
Todd Snyder had no comments. He is temporarily replacing John Lester.
Chuck Shupperd understands the screen in front of the gas meter will be one sided to
provide access. This design should not create a problem for the Vectren Energy.
Dick Hill's letter was received by Mr. Golson. Engineering asked for a written and
recorded commitment for the future construction of a public sidewalk on Keystone Way.
Mr. Golson will provide that. Jon Dobosiewicz stated the City of Carmel is petitioning
for funds for a separated grade pedestrian crossing over Keystone. There is a sidewalk on
Carmel Drive. Mr. Golson referred to Keystone Way. There is a sidewalk at Carraba's
Italian Grill on Keystone Way and a gap at the Tucker building. Mr. Dobosiewicz
requested the sidewalk on Keystone Way be installed. Mr. Golson agreed. Scott
Brewer's landscape comments were cited. He wants additional shrubs added along
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Keystone Way. Jon Dobosiewicz inquired whether Engineering would permit
trees /shrubs within the Carmel Drive right of way. Mr. Hill will speak with Kate Weese.
A Consent to Encroach is a possibility suggested by Dick Hill. Mr. Dobosiewicz will
provide a copy of the buffer yard guidelines. The landscape plan does not show islands.
However, Mr. Golson does not intend to eliminate them. There are good size trees in the
islands. Mr. Dobosiewicz requested an amended landscape plan. An elevation of the
dumpster enclosure is also needed.
Jeff Kendall distributed guidelines for obtaining a permit. A pre- submittal meeting will
be scheduled.
Bill Akers had no comments.
Gary Hoyt requested the installation of a Knox box on the building. It can be recessed or
surface mounted. The application is available on the internet.
Jon Dobosiewicz requested a connection to the entrance when installing the sidewalks on
Keystone Way. The entrance radius on Keystone Way should be checked. The ADA
guidelines should be followed. Mr. Dobosiewicz requested a revised landscape plan and
dumpster elevation. The sidewalk should be installed one foot within the right of way.
Scott Brewer will provide a list of local landscape architects. Mr. Golson requested a
copy of the 1987 landscape plan. Drawings are requested prior to the March 5 meeting.
Miller Auto Care (Building Expansion Site Improvements)
The applicant seeks approval to construct an addition to an existing building. The site is
located at 434 South Range Line Road. The site is zoned I- 1/Industrial (part) and B-
I /Business (part).
Filed by Ryan McNeely of Design Build Corp. for Miller Auto Care.
George Eiker and Ryan McNeely, Design Build, attended the meeting. Ryan McNeely
explained that a 40 foot x 100 foot addition will be constructed on the north side of the
existing building. The appearance of the existing building will be modified. The existing
water and sanitary utilities will be used. Storm drainage will be added to the parking lot
area. An oil interceptor will be added to the plumbing. A curb cut will provide access to
Range Line Road. The electric comes in from the west end of the building.
Todd Snyder had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd believes this addition will not affect the gas utility. One or two furnaces
will be added. A survey was given to the petitioner for completion. Vectren will check
that service is okay.
Dick Hill sent a letter to George Eiker. He requested an expansion of the drawings with a
title sheet and another sheet showing existing conditions. Information is also needed
regarding curb cuts. Mr. McNeely will provide drainage data. Detention is on the
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parking lot. There will be a slight change from what was originally submitted. They will
not be an outlet to Range Line. Water will go to the back. Additional field work will be
done and another meeting will be scheduled. A set of plans were also sent to the Utility
Department. Mr. McNeely will contact that department for their changes and input.
Rick McClain stated Cinergy was not affected by this addition.
Bill Akers said the property already has an address. The address on the plans should be
changed to "SW Range Line Road should be identified as "South Range Line The
address is 434 South Range Line Road.
Gary Hoyt requested a Knox box on the building. It can be obtained over the internet.
The building will not be sprinkled. Because of the use of blow torches, this might be
considered an "H" type occupancy. An area separation would also be acceptable. The
State of Indiana has already improved this project. A "B" and "S3" occupancy were
designated by the State.
Jon Dobosiewicz needs information regarding access in the area west and south of the
building. The Ordinance requires the parking area to be curbed. It can be rolled or chair
back. Extruded curbs are not recommended. The setback for the parking lot from the
north property line is five feet. It is five feet also from the south property line. There is
an access easement along the property line. The driveway cut should be maintained. Jon
Dobosiewicz requested a copy of the easement or a letter from the owner addressing the
area. When supplied, DOCS will allow them to forego the setback requirements between
the two lots. Mr. Dobosiewicz will write a letter in the next few days. The west setback
is five feet. He suggested the petitioner could go through plating procedure to create one
lot. That would take 90 to 120 days. One single legal description, with dedication of the
right of way on Range Line, would be a simpler approach. The half right of way on
Range Line is 45 feet. The second approach will save $5,000 to $8,000 expense and
time. It may be unnecessary to go through variance procedure for landscaping. Mr.
Dobosiewicz does not foresee a problem.
Scott Brewer's landscape comments asked that plans be forwarded to him.
Jeff Kendall requested a pre- submittal meeting. An information /survey was distributed to
the petitioners.
The ten -foot easement presents some difficulty. The property is land locked. There is no
access at this time to Range Line. It is not a legal street; it is more of a drive into the lot.
The property has a Range Line address. Discussion followed regarding the curb or lack
of curb on the parking area. A fence would limit use of the doors on that side. Jon
Dobosiewicz requested drawings on the back corner and the existing building. The wall
was erected some time ago.
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Forest Dale Elementary (Building Expansion Site Improvement)
The applicant seeks approval to construct additions to an existing building and site
improvements. The site is located at 10721 Lakeshore Drive West. The site is zoned S-
2/Residental.
Filed by Jeff Bolinger of Fanning /Howey Associates, Inc. for Carmel /Clay Schools.
Chuck Tyler, Fanning /Howey Associates, Inc., and Ron Farrand, Carmel /Clay Schools,
attended the meeting. Clarification has been given regarding size and type of signage.
The number of parking spaces provided has been clarified. There will be 130 spaces.
The plans are being adjusted to include curbs at all new and expanded parking area
perimeters. Street numbers will be added to the school identification sign. A color
elevation of the sign package is being prepared. Mr. Tyler requested information about
site lighting in regard to pole height limitations. He also needs to discuss the request to
align curb cuts on the site with those of the residential areas to the west. The over -flow
parking area will just be grass. It will be graded to be utilized for parking. Additionally,
a meeting is scheduled with the water company. A meeting is also needed to review
sanitary service. The landscape designer is making recommended adjustments per
suggestions by Scott Brewer.
Todd Snyder had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd thinks the meter will need to be relocated. Their sales rep is meeting
with school personnel today regarding additional load. This should be a simple process.
Dick Hill requested a drainage report. That will be provided. The entrance issue needs to
be resolved. Mr. Tyler has a concern with reducing to two curb cuts. The current
allocation of curb cuts works well to separate parent traffic from bus and staff. That is a
prime directive. Consolidating these presents some difficulty and conflict. A large
number of parents drive and pick up their children. Because of the limited service nature
of the drive across the street servicing a small residential area, the petitioner is not aware
of any ongoing traffic conflicts. By the time curbs adjacent to the sidewalks would be
rebuilt, in order to incorporate the handicap ramps, the petitioner was within 30 feet with
pavement replacement. In the latest documents, all pavement is replaced. There would
be an additional expense to the school corporation to regrade and shift those drives to the
south. Lake Shore Drive is 37.5 feet wide. Jon Dobosiewicz was not aware, in previous
discussions, that anything was going to be cut out for new entrances. Kate Weese's
comments dealt with a decel lane or additional striping on Lake Shore to define the
turning movements into the school site. Chuck Tyler stated a decel lane would probably
be relative to the south lot. The greatest number of cars come into the site there. He is
unsure if the numbers for the other two locations warrant the expense. Time of day is
another consideration. Activity at the school is concentrated into two short bursts in the
morning and afternoon. Typically, this does not coincide with other activity in the area.
Mr. Lillig suggested retaining the curb cut to the south. Alignment of the two to the
north should be done now. The Department did discuss this is at preliminary meetings.
As the existing situation will change, it is time to make the alignment happen. A
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December 19, 2001 letter from Fanning /Howey Associates represented that the pavement
situations would not be affected by this project. The removal mandates that the
alignment be made at this time. Mr. Lillig is also concerned with the pedestrian situation.
He cannot find an original special use approval for Forest Dale. It appears this site was
never approved by the Board of Zoning Appeals. He believes the overall configuration
remains the same; it is simply shifted to the south. The south drive can be discussed with
Engineering.
Chuck Tyler stated the north parking lot light fixtures are 20 feet high. The proposed
design for the lot in front of the building and the south lot are 30 -foot fixtures. The
gymnasium building is 28 feet tall. The existing pole height is 20 feet with the flood
attachments. The flood aspect will be eliminated. The new lights are the shoe box type.
Some entries will be supplemented with wall pack lighting. Mr. Lillig requested specs on
the wall packs. He inquired why the pole height has been increased. Mr. Tyler
responded it is an economic issue. The number of poles would need to be doubled to
provide the same lighting levels on the west and the south. Mr. Dobosiewicz doubted
whether the BZA would sympathize with the school. He is looking for options that are
more sensitive to the surrounding neighbors. There are no properties to the south and
considerable separation to the west including the right of way. Laurence Lillig requested
an alternate lighting plan that reduces the pole height. The site layout plan shows stripes
at the exits and entrances. Jon Dobosiewicz requested striping two 12 -foot out lanes and
12 -foot in lanes. The existing wall institutional sign will be removed.
Jeff Kendall distributed materials to assist in the permitting process. A pre submittal
meeting should be scheduled.
Rick McClain asked if the transformer would have a foundation. It will and the incoming
feed will be from the south. If the existing transformer remains where is now located and
protective pillars were added, Mr. McClain sees no need to move it. A load information
sheet should be completed.
Gary Hoyt needs to make certain nothing is done to the Fire Department connections if
the streets are aligned. It might be necessary to relocate the hookup. The fire hydrant
placement looks good.
Jon Dobosiewicz is concerned about traffic control. The area at the southwest corner of
the parent pickup and drop off, now proposed for striping, should be converted to islands.
Mr. Tyler stated it is impossible to do the center one. Cars are stacked three rows across
in that area. Typically, cars are not parked in that area. Ron Farrand is conscious of cost
saving. He believes the changes do impact the taxpayers in the community. Mr.
Dobosiewicz understands that position. He indicated that is why the Department is only
concentrating on public safety issues. Laurence Lillig stated the Department philosophy
is to "fix" the problems now.
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Danbury Estates Plat Vacation (Plat Vacation)
Petitioner seeks to vacate a portion of the Danbury Estates Subdivision including Lot 24
through 32, and a portion of the right -of -way of Durham Drive and Dublin Drive. The
site is generally located at the southwest corner of the Danbury Estates Subdivision in the
City of Carmel. The site is zoned PUD and R -4 /Residence.
Filed by the Board of Commissioners of Hamilton County.
Mike Howard, Hamilton County Attorney, Jim Neal and Faraz Khan, Hamilton County
Highway Department, and Clint Sparks, American Consulting, Inc. attended the meeting.
Hamilton County wishes to vacate part of the Danbury Estates plat. The area is near the
Lowe's project. The County acquired eight lots in 1999. One house was constructed and
then acquired. The alignment of the road project northbound from Keystone to the light
is virtually accomplished. Negotiations with INDOT have been ongoing. The initial
proposal was to construct a hammerhead as opposed to a cul de sac. Two more land
owners would be displaced by a cul de sac. Clint Sparks stated the alignment was set to
miss the existing sanitary sewer and to stay out of some wetlands. The hammerhead also
provides access to a property that is currently accessed off a cul de sac.
Todd Snyder had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd believes the gas service has been retired.
Dick Hill understands parcels 4C and 4D are for the proposed hammerhead. It will be
rededicated to the City. The distance curb -to -curb is 14 feet. Lots 26, 27, 28, and 29 and
are part of the Lowe's PUD. The lots will ultimately be conveyed to Kite. The road right
of way has already be vacated by the City. Everything west of that has been vacated
already. It does not seem possible to replace the hammerhead with a cul de sac. A wall
will be constructed by Lowe between their real estate and the subdivision.
Jeff Kendall understands one home was removed. The petitioner does not know if a
demolition permit was obtained. Mr. Kendall requested application be made in future
situations.
The electric gate and power need to be relocated. Cinergy will be contacted.
Bill Akers believes lots 23 through 32 are gone. Lot 23 is still there. This lot is saved by
use of a hammerhead.
Gary Hoyt understands that the stripped area is gone. The new Lowe's property line was
shown. Mr. Hoyt is concerned about parking on the hammerhead. This design was the
petitioner's first option. Gary Hoyt worries about getting an ambulance into the area.
Mr. Howard suggested a meeting with Clint Sparks to determine if an increased width or
taking 90 degrees out of the corner or both can solve this problem. This may delay the
recording of the right of way. The remodified detention pond issues need to be resolved
with Kite and Lowe's. The rights of way on Danbury are the City's. The Street
Department will add barricades. When Kite submits application for their last building,
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the issue will be addressed. Mr. Dobosiewicz does not think Kite plans to follow through
with the Primary Plat. It was probably an oversight on the City's part.
Mike Howard will record the plat vacation and the dedication of right of way. The public
right of way will be 4 -C and 4 -D on their sketch plus whatever extra ground is needed to
expand that part of Lot 32.
Western Hills Subdivision (Primary Plat)
The applicant seeks approval to plat a 101 -lot residential subdivision on 80 acres. The
site is located on the southeast corner of West 141 Street and West Road. The site is
zone S -1 /Residential.
Filed by Dennis Olmstead of Stoeppelwerth Associates, Inc. for Platinum Properties,
L.L.C.
Dennis Olmstead, Stoeppelwerth Associates, introduced his associate Doug Westlund.
The proposed subdivision is located on the southeast quadrant of West Road and 141
Street. It is being developed under the ROSO Ordinance. There will be 101 lots on 80
acres. Pipelines run through the center of the parcel. Attempts have been made to avoid
running across the pipelines. The frontage road option is being used around the
perimeter. Most of the homes on the perimeter face the frontage road. Platinum
Properties is trying to save as much of the woods as possible along the southern
boundaries of the site. Discussions are being held with Clay Township Regional
regarding sanitary sewer. Steve Cash was unable to attend TAC; his letter will be written
later this week. The Highway Department's comment letter has no great problems. Mr.
Olmstead invited questions.
Todd Snyder had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd has gas service is at 131 and West Road. Some off -site easements
might be necessary. The petitioner hopes to begin work in late summer. Mr. Olmstead
believes water will come across 141 Street by Carmel Utilities from Saddlebrook on the
other side of Towne Road. The sewer is probably coming from the west. A temporary
lift station may be necessary.
Jeff Kendall inquired about lowest floor elevations in relation to the 100 -year flood level.
Basement floor elevations are being reviewed by Mr. Kendall, the City Engineer, and
Hamilton County. This has been a problem in the past. He believes there is wording in
the Subdivision Control Ordinance regarding this situation. Any basement must be two
feet above the 100 -year flood level. Mr. Olmstead stated custom homes generally
include basements. Without that option, production homes are more likely to be built in
this proposed subdivision. Mr. Dobosiewicz said the 100 -year flood level will not touch
the lots. That level for the lakes will be entirely within the common areas. Mr. Olmstead
stated the 100 year would not be within 50 feet of the lots. There will be two lakes. The
lakes are 75 feet from the lots.
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Rick McClain requested a copy of the landscape plans.
Bill Akers stated there will be at least six street names. He must submit them to the
County. The houses that run parallel with West Road will addressed off of West Road.
Gary Hoyt noted that an emergency turn around has been placed at Lots 25 and 26. He
asked for a turn around at Lots 15 and 16. There will not be an amenity center. The
hammerheads along the frontage roads create problems for the Fire Department. A cul de
sac is preferred. Owners of lots nearby begin to consider the property theirs and park
garden tractors, etc. on the hammerheads. They do not work as a turn around for the Fire
Department. Mr. Hoyt requested either a connection between Sections 1 and 2 or the
installation of pavers to provide access. The petitioner stated there is not room to make
the roads with hammerheads any longer. That is the reason for the "round" in front of the
pond. They are trying to accommodate the length restriction. Gary Hoyt wants to avoid
backing any of the fire equipment. Location of the fire hydrants is also needed.
Jon Dobosiewicz referred to the County Highway Department letter written by Faraz
Khan. Mr. Dobosiewicz understands that question number 16 is directed at the design of
the frontage places. The developer does not need action by the County Commissioners
on granting a waiver from that. The frontage roads are private. Standards will still be
applied. The County would not be required to maintain those roads. The separation
between the center line is 200 feet. Standard curbs will be required. Jon Dobosiewicz
asked the petitioner to consider some sort of access for the Fire Department. The
Department would also like to see the frontage roads connect. He is aware of the 600
foot maximum. But, it would eliminate the Fire Department concern and provide cross
connection. If that is not acceptable to the petitioner, Mr. Dobosiewicz suggested pulling
the hammerheads back between Lots 52 and 53 and Lots 50 and 51. Pavers could be
installed out to West Road. That will eliminate a lot of unnecessary pavement. The same
can be done on the south side between Lots 1 and 2. Jon Dobosiewicz requested an
overall showing the properties to the east, the existing pond, and the intersection of
property lines. He needs to evaluate where the stub streets would access those lots to the
east. There are some land locked parcels that may be developed into small subdivisions
in the future.
Scott Brewer requested a set of landscape drawings.
The project is set for public hearing on March 19'. It will be sent to the Subdivision
Committee. Regarding the County Highway specs, six feet of additional paving is
required on the east side. West Road is narrow. The primary plat must be amended to
identify the proposed condition. Jon Dobosiewicz believes the passing blister will be a
big issue.
Laurence Lillig questioned the width of the sidewalks. The standard is five feet wide.
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Village of WestClay (Rezone and Primary Plat Amendment)
The site is located within the Village of WestClay. The site is zoned PUD /Planned Unit
Development.
Filed by Jose Kreutz of Brenwick TND Communities, LLC.
Village of WestClay, Section 5001 (Secondary Plat Revised Area Layout)
The site is located at the southeast corner of 131 Street and Towne Road within the
Village of WestClay. The site is zoned PUD /Planned Unit Development
Filed by Keith Lash of the Schneider Corporation for Brenwick TND Communities, LLC.
Keith Lash introduced Tony Hebert, Parks Peifer, and Jose Kreutz of Brenwick
Development Company. He described the secondary plat of Section 5001. It is
comprised of 41 lots on 10 acres. The second item he would like to discuss is the
technical review of a land plan change for the northwest quadrant of the Village area. Its
purpose is to create 50 -foot lots. Previously the area was designed for townhouse lots
and 80 -foot lots. The 50 -foot lots are the biggest product for the Village. Half of the
originally planned 50 -foot lots for the entire project have been sold to date. Brenwick has
elected to eliminate frontage road on 121 and Towne Road and reduce some lot sizes.
Mr. Lash believes this is a minor change in the overall design. He believes this is a
technical review that does not require Plan Commission approval. The third item is an
amendment to the original primary plat for land west of Towne Road. The reason is to
reduce lot sizes, getting more of the 50 60 foot lot products. Frontage roads have been
eliminated. The primary plat amendment will go to the Plan Commission and the City
Council. It involves a zoning change. A secondary plat will be brought for approval.
Towne Road conforms to the original plat that was approved. Construction plans have
not be filed. No comments have been received. Mr. Lash suggested discussion Section
5001 and the land plan amendment first. The primary plat amendment review could be
second.
Todd Snyder had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd had no comments.
Jeff Kendall had no comments.
Dick Hill had no comments.
Bill Akers requested an updated overall plan of the development.
Gary Hoyt stated Section 5001 looks good. Treaty Line Street that runs off Glebe Street
needs a street sign. It should be installed within a week.
Jon Dobosiewicz referred to Lot 437 on sheet 1 of the plat. It presents an odd
configuration because of the way the street was going to align. Keith Lash interpreted the
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Ordinance to allow flexibility in following the irregularly shaped corner. Some
modification will be necessary on the existing 3004 at the intersection.
Jon Dobosiewicz informed the Committee of a number of things regarding the
modification. Brenwick has the ability to modify the southeast corner of Towne. They
are providing an updated overall of the WestClay on the west side of Towne Road. The
rezone and primary plat amendment which would accommodate the new layout is not
much different than the old one. The access road on the south aligns with Laurel Lakes.
The rezone and text amendment will go to the City Council. Where Glebe Street
intersects with Towne Road it looks confusing. Jose Kreutz will improve the
intersection. The other issue is the accommodation of right of way at 131 and Towne
Road on the revised primary plat amendment for the roundabout. He would like to see it
identified on the primary plat amendment and how they will accommodate the geometry.
Mr. Kreutz will schedule a meeting with Jim Neal and the Department to discuss the
roundabout layout and improvement between 126 Street, 136 Street, and Towne Road.
Mr. Dobosiewicz requested a written response. There was previous discussion with PSI
regarding colocation. The poles will be on the west side and along 131 Street back to
Towne Road. An easement is being sought. The cost of the transmission lines will be
between $300 to $500 per foot. Brenwick is paying for the additional cost that Cinergy
will incur to move the poles out of the right of way along Towne Road and move them
within the 40 -foot easement. This placement will be more aesthetically pleasing. They
will then follow 131 and up Towne Road on the west side. The poles will be installed up
Towne to 136 Street and then outside the right of way. The transmission lines will
travel west on the north side and will not interfere with the roundabout. The pole heights
will be 85 feet.
Gary Hoyt requested additional pavement at the alley turn -ins. That will help garbage
pickup, construction vehicles, and the Fire Department.
Laurence Lillig is concerned about a light spill from street standards. Mr. Kreutz stated a
solution lies within diffusers that go into the light. The six -inch contraption folds on and
sends more of the light down than out. Brenwick will rehab the lights. Presently there is
a saucer on top. They want to direct the lighting down. Mr. Lillig will visit the Brenwick
office regarding definition of the sub areas.
Jon Dobosiewicz asked if a passing blister will be constructed on the north side. One is
planned. Steve Broermann is doing a review of that project. There are additional issues
to be addressed. Mr. Dobosiewicz assumes the alignment for the roundabout at 131
Street and Towne Road will take a lot of the northwest corner. It will be shifted to the
south. Jon Dobosiewicz asked Brenwick to keep him apprised.
Claybourne Estates, Section 1 (Secondary Plat and Construction Plans)
The site is generally located at the northwest corner of Shelborne Road and West 131
Street and on the south side of 131 Street' /4 mile west of Shelborne Road. The site is
zoned S -I /Residence Estate.
Filed by Cort Crosby of The Schneider Corporation for Boomerang Development, LLC.
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Cort Crosby, The Schneider Corporation, and Chris Werth, Thompson Land Co.,
attended the meeting. Mr. Crosby explained the project. Section 1 of Claybourne
Subdivision will have 98 lots on 173 acres at the corner of 131 Street and Shelbourne
Road. Section 1 will be the 40 -acre section south of 131 Street. There will be 33 acres
north of 131 Street. That will be the center of their parcel. The streets will be under the
jurisdiction of the County Highway Department and drainage will be under the County
Surveyor. Steve Cash did not complete his review. He will write a letter. A few
comment letters were received. There were no major concerns.
Todd Snyder had no comments.
Chuck Shupperd stated there is gas at 131 Street and West Road. It will be extended to
the entrances for both sections.
Bill Akers inquired if there was a new name for Donovan Boulevard. Mr. Crosby will
contact him later. The final primary plat has not changed. The east/west street along the
north line has been revised. Pontell Place is no long a cul de sac. Mr. Akers requested an
updated plan of the entire subdivision. There will be four sections.
Gary Hoyt wrote a letter requesting temporary cul de sacs. The locations are listed in his
letter of February 14 After discussion, he indicated a temporary turn around would not
be necessary at the east end of Yancey Place. There will eventually be an amenity
building. A Knox box will be required.
Jon Dobosiewicz stated most of his comments are directed at the secondary plat. He will
write a comment letter. Carmel's Ordinance requires the blocks and common areas need
to be pinned. The mediums also need to be pinned. The search of title and instrument
number needs to be added on page 1. The 100 year, normal and bottom elevations must
be added to the ponds on the plat. A pin must be added to the corner of lot 42. A key
map (area map) must be added to the front page. The directional arrow could be moved
to another area and a small overall map added. The two sections should be shaded within
the larger subdivision. The primary and secondary plat numbers must be added to page
1. A copy of the covenants is needed. There are some issues about annexation that
require discussion. A document will be prepared by the City. "City" should be removed
from the signature block. The commitments made as part of the primary plat must be
addressed. The regulated drain easement should be identified. Sidewalk detail must be
shown on the construction plans. Jon Dobosiewicz wants to see the transition made with
concrete. On sheet C 102 at the top right hand corner, the path into the woods should be
connected to the asphalt path to the west. The asphalt path is ten foot in the right of way
and six feet on private property. The spec on the sidewalk is five feet. The plat shows
four feet. This applies to the entire subdivision. Along 131 Street the path must be ten
feet. Mr. Lillig stated the extra foot needed on the four foot walks goes to the pavement.
The traffic study for the subdivision calls for two 12 -foot outbound lanes at the entrance
along 131 Street. Plans indicate a 16 -foot lane in and a 16 -foot lane out. On sheet 801 a
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standard plan CS 1 shows Hamilton County Highway cross section collector street
without curb. However, 131 Street is not a collector street. The developer committed to
two 12 -foot lanes. The City of Carmel does not want a four lane street, but it may desire
a wider two -lane segment. Mr. Dobosiewicz indicated this would be resolved within the
next few weeks. A fire station will be built at the northeast corner of 131 and Shelborne
Road. The improvement will need to be constructed at the intersection only. The
highway at Section 1 will need to be improved. The Thoroughfare Plan calls for 131
Street being four lanes. The City Engineer will participate in determining what
improvements are necessary. Jon Dobosiewicz suggested two lane segments that are
wider than the standard 12 foot lane with improvements are the intersections. He will
prepare a letter.
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