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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMinutes SpecStdy 05-14-021,1`I y G`'`y of Cq,9y C ity CARMEL /CLAY PLAN COMMISSION SPECIAL STUDY COMMITTEE MAY 14, 2002 The regularly scheduled meeting of the Special Study Committee convened at 7:00 PM on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 in the Caucus Rooms of City Hall, Carmel, Indiana. Members present were Leo Dierckman, chairperson; Jerry Chomanczuk; Nick Kestner; Dianna Knoll; Pat Rice; Paul Spranger; and Wayne Wilson, thereby establishing a quorum. Department of Community Services Staff in attendance were Laurence Lillig and Kelli Hahn Lawrence. 1. Docket No. 144 -01 Z; Gray Road and 96 Street (Rezone) The petitioner is requesting a rezone a 4.53 acre site from S -1 (Residential) to B -8 (Business). The site is located at the northeast corner of Gray Road and 96 Street. Filed by E. Davis Coots of Coots Henke Wheeler for Glendale Partners /Gray Road LLC. Dave Coots, attorney with Coots Henke Wheeler appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. Dave Coots requested this matter be TABLED for the time being. Laurence Lillig reported that the Department has asked for either consent from Martin Marietta for this proposal to move forward or proof that this property is either the applicant's property or that there is consent from the current owner as to this process. Secondly, the Department has received a traffic study on this project, but there has been no indication from the petitioner as to what sort of improvements they intend to make in conjunction with this petition based on the traffic study. Third, the Ordinance specifies that right -of -way dedication will occur in conjunction with an Exhibit `B," but the Department has not received Exhibit `B" or any correspondence from the Highway Department as to what the dedication will be. Fourth, the Department has received a tentative site plan and building elevations, but nothing has been received from the petitioner indicating that this is what they intend to build on this site. Dave Coots said they seek to rezone this property to B -8 which requires Plan Commission ADLS approval if it is successfully rezoned. To commit in an Ordinance that we intend to building a particular building without knowing the feasibility financially, it is pretty difficult for the developer to commit at this time. As to road improvements, there is a petition that will be before the Plan Commission this month for the 20 -acre tract immediately to the west of this piece, by CarMax S:\PlanCommission\Minutes\SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes\2002may Auto Store. As a portion of the CarMax development, they have been asked to enter into an Inter -Local Agreement with the County to put all of Gray Road into the City's jurisdiction for road right -of -way dedication, etc. As to the roadway improvements, those too would be a part of the ADLS requirement before the Plan Commission, although they are willing to make the commitment in the rezone. However, without knowing precisely what is going to be built there, it is difficult for the developer to commit to a building and /or road improvement. Laurence Lillig responded that there is no aspect of an ADLS that would net road improvements for the City. If roadway improvements are to be had, it must be done with the rezone petition, not with an ADLS —that has nothing to do with rights -of -way or dedication. There is no Development Plan associated with this, the B -8 District does not require a Development Plan those questions need to be answered NOW. As far as the CarMax petition, they can certainly answer for themselves on the Gray Road issue, however they cannot answer for Martin Marietta. This is still an open question and the CarMax petition does not answer that question. Pat Rice commented that this sounds like a blanket rezone, and she would not be in favor of this. Laurence Lillig recommended that if the Committee is going to table this item, they need to set out exactly what the Committee expects to see at next month's meeting for this to continue to move forward. Otherwise, this should be forwarded to the full Commission with a negative recommendation. Wayne Wilson commented that given the circumstances with Martin Marietta and pending litigation, it is appropriate to table this matter. Jerry Chomanczuk was in favor of allowing the petitioner time to address and resolve the issues. Paul Spranger moved to TABLE Docket No. 144 -01 Z, 96 and Gray Road Rezone, to an uncertain date to allow the applicant an opportunity to respond to the Department's requests. The motion was seconded by Jerry Chomanczuk and APPROVED 7 -0. 2. Docket No. 154 -01 ADLS Amend; Carmel McDonald's Ground Sign Petitioner seeks Architectural Design, Lighting Signage approval to replace an existing sign. The site is located at 750 East Carmel Drive. The site is zoned B -8 /Business. Filed by Chris Golden of GSW Lighting for McDonald's. Chris Golden of GSW Lighting appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. The sign has now been re- designed, as prompted by the Committee. The "sky" arches have been removed and brought into the sign face. The brick is to match the existing brick on Carmel Drive. The Committee previously discussed colors, and Mr. Golden displayed samples of plaques. The lumens were also discussed and concern expressed with the brightness of the sign. The sign will consist of 4, 8 -foot lamps and one horizontal inside the sign. The four lamps will combine to 31,200 lumens which is actually a little less than a 400 watt halyard fixture would emit. Laurence Lillig reported for the Department. The recommendation is favorable consideration, S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 2 with the condition that the rocks McDonald's has placed within the Carmel Drive right -of -way be removed —this is also a request of Carmel Engineering. Mr. Golden said there is no problem re -doing the landscaping and removing the rocks from the right -of -way. Paul Spranger asked about the wattage on the four, full length tubes. The previous discussion was to allow the red to stay, and it would be opaque. The yellow would be translucent to communicate the golden arches. Whether we want to illuminate the entire panel, back illuminated, should be subject to some discussion. Mr. Golden responded the wattage is about 96 watts per tube —total would be less than 400 watts. Typically, this type of sign would receive 6 lamps. The sign has been scaled down per the Committee's request. Ground lighting was discussed. Mr. Golden disagreed because ground lighting would shadow the signage. Mr. Golden would agree to ground lighting if the sign were opaque, and would also reduce the number of bulbs. Pat Rice was in favor of an opaque sign with ground lighting and the arches lit. After further discussion, Paul Spranger clarified that the red would now be translucent as well as the yellow and the white. The aim is to keep the lighting muted and from excessive glare, keep it classy and have an up -scale look. Paul Spranger moved to approve Docket No. 154 -01 ADLS Amend, McDonald's Ground Sign, subject to reducing the number of tubes from 6 to 4 with same wattage per tube as proposed. If lighting were determined to be excessive by the DOGS, petitioner would rectify by using internal translucent panels. Also, the rocks in the right -of -way are to be removed. The motion was seconded by Dianna Knoll and APPROVED 6 in favor, one opposed (Pat Rice.) 3. Docket No. 30 -02 ADLS Amend; Fazoli's Petitioner seeks Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage Amendment approval in order to alter the architectural design approved as part of Docket No. 43 -96 ADLS Amend. The site is located at 465 East Carmel Drive. The site is zoned B- 8/business. Filed by Mark Naylor of The Robert's Group for Fazoli's Systems, Inc. Mark Naylor, The Robert's Group, appeared before the Committee representing Fazoli's Systems, Inc. The petitioner displayed paint chips; the building will be re- painted one, solid color rather than textured. The two colors will be green trim and terra cotta. The awnings will be matched to the roof color so that it all blends together. At last month's Committee meeting, the petitioner agreed to raise the brick base on the sign. The only other issue was the storage shed and refuse enclosure. The petitioner is totally re- doing the refuse enclosure; the door to the storage shed will be put inside the closure so that from S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 3 the outside, it will look like one enclosure, no doors or lights will show from the outside. Laurence Lillig reported that the Department is recommending favorable consideration of this petition, assuming that the Committee's concerns have been met. Laurence suggested the petitioner add the street address of the building to the ground sign. Laurence also reminded the petitioner that sign permits will be needed for those signs erected without permits. Pat Rice commented the red cupola sticks out like a sore thumb. Mr. Naylor responded that the red cupola is a trademark and corporate would like to keep the red tower. Mr. Naylor said Fazoli's would be willing to replace with the red fabric to match the awnings. Wayne Wilson moved for approval of Docket No. 30 -02 ADLS Amend, Fazoli's conditioned upon red fabric rather than vinyl being used on the awnings and the tower; surfaces will be re- painted; petitioner will add street address to the ground sign and will apply for sign permits for existing signs. The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and APPROVED 7 -0. 4. Docket No. 53 -02 ADLS AMEND; St. Peter's Church, Parking Lot Expansion The applicant seeks approval to expand their parking area and make site drainage modifications. The site is located at 3106 East Carmel Drive. The site is zoned R- 1/Residence. Filed by David Barnes of Weihe Engineers for St. Peter's United Church of Christ. Dave Barnes, Willa Marr and Corey Meyer of Weihe Engineers appeared before the Committee on behalf of the applicant. Tim Kleck of St. Peter's United Church of Christ was also in attendance. The applicant is seeking approval of a parking lot expansion and the landscaping and lighting requirements. This project will be completed within the next two years. Laurence Lillig reported for the Department. At this time, the Department is recommending favorable consideration of this petition, as amended. Paul Spranger asked that the plantings mask the cars at bumper level. Nick Kestner mentioned aligning the Church drive with Waterford on the south side of Carmel Drive. The applicant said the City Engineer had requested the alignment of traffic turning left out of St. Peter's and traffic turning left out of Waterford. Laurence Lillig noted that the current drawing does not show the left turns as aligned, although this was shown on the drawings presented to the Technical Advisory Committee. Paul Spranger moved for approval of Docket No. 53 -02 ADLS Amend, St. Peter's UCC Parking Lot Expansion, with the caveat that the opposing left turn lane alignment be resolved to the satisfaction of the DOCS and the City Engineer. The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and APPROVED 7 -0. NOTE: Items 5 and 6 were heard together. S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 4 5. Docket No. 32 -02 OA, 31 -02 CPA; Old Meridian District Amendment (ZO Chapter 20G) Mixed Medical Zone, Old Meridian Comprehensive Plan Amendment Mixed Medical Zone Petitioner seeks a favorable recommendation for the establishment of the Old Meridian District Mixed Medical Zone Comprehensive Plan Policies. The area affected is generally located on the east and west sides of Old Meridian Avenue between Guilford Road and Main Street. Filed by the Department of Community Services. 6. Docket No. 33 -02 Z; Rezone from Old Meridian District (OM) -Mixed Use (MU), Office (0), and Single Family (SF) to Old Meridian District (OM) Mixed Medical (MM) Petitioner seeks a favorable recommendation on a rezone from Old Meridian District (OM) -Mixed Use (MU), Office (0), and Single Family (SF) to Old Meridian District (OM) Mixed Medical (MM). The subject real estate is generally located on the east and west sides of Old Meridian Avenue between Guilford Road and Main Street. Filed by St. Vincent Hospital and Health Care Center, Inc. Robert Hicks, attorney, appeared before the Committee on behalf of the applicant. Rob Scheck of BSA Design was present. Also in attendance was Kelli Hahn Lawrence on behalf of the Department of Community Services. Bob Hicks said there were some technical corrections relating to this petition. The Exhibit D site plan had a few small changes requested by the Department of Community Services. These changes have to do with the radial, connector road, somewhat of a "U" shape, that runs behind Stout Shoes, along the American Legion property, and on the west side of Old Meridian, the connector road runs through the property that is now Sundown Gardens. Exhibit E of the petition, the third paragraph of the first page refers to Exhibit A, and it should read Exhibit D. There is a reference to curb cuts in the Mixed Medical Zone as set forth in Exhibit A- 1 —this reference should be to Exhibit D as well. Page 2 of Exhibit E under Development Standard B.2b, Maximum Front Setback Requirement talks about lighting buildings according to current conditions. There are already some existing buildings, and to have a narrow, real small front yard would look rather odd, given the other buildings in the area. This might be changed to 10 feet. In Exhibit C to the petition, the first paragraph under Mixed Medical Zone, the last sentence should probably be deleted. The reasoning behind these minor corrections is that property in this area is located in such close proximity to a major land user, St. Vincent Hospital, that the in the foreseeable future, it is logical that this land would be developed in a way that would be consistent with medical or uses supportive of medical uses. The concern is that what currently exists in the area under the current zoning allowed for medical and hospital, but the Development Standards were not consistent with what might be considered as S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 5 a large, suburban hospital campus. The setback requirements were too close to the road, the parking did not allow for anything in the front, the footprint of the building was a maximum of 15,000 square feet; many hospital and health care uses require a larger footprint. Looking at variances that would be needed to have the Development Standards work, and looking At other proposed developments with similar concerns, the thought from the Department and the petitioner was that it made more sense to deal with these Development Standard issues to prevent a host of Variances in the future, given the realities of a hospital campus. We do not want to scrap what exists, we just want to mix it in with what we believe to be significant hospital and health care uses in the future. Remonstrance: American Legion, Chip Larr and Steve Brown. The representatives from the American Legion met with Jon Dobosiewicz of the DOCS and discussed the proposal. The American Legion is now "On Board" with this and will "except out" a small chunk of the American Legion property from the mixed medical zone. The American Legion realizes that as a steward of this property since 1935, presently zoned single family use, they understand that for this property to maintain its value and be useful for future sale, it will need a commercial zoning classification. It is not logical that anyone would purchase the Legion property for single family use. Dave Coots, attorney for the Knapp Family Trust, reminded the Committee that the proposal does take away a large number of uses that presently exist on this property that was rezoned to Old Meridian. Those permitted uses included "Village Uses." By taking that use away from the Sundown Gardens property, it limits the perspective purchaser for the property to one user, and that is the hospital. If and when the hospital purchases the property and comes before the Commission for this proposed amendment, it would make sense. But, to tell this land owner that the hospital is going to take away that number of uses that would be permitted under the existing zoning, it is an undertaking that Sundown Gardens should not be restricted. Steve Knapp, owner of Sundown Gardens, read a brief history of the property. At the request of the City and the BZA, Sundown Gardens applied for rezoning in 1988 from S -2 to B-3/Business. At that time, concern was expressed that the future land use should be compatible with St. Vincent Carmel Hospital. St. Vincent was in complete support of the rezone of Sundown Gardens to 13- 3/Business. St. Vincent was given right of first refusal by Sundown Gardens. Mr. Knapp attended all of the Task Force meetings and Rezoning became a primary goal. Mr. Knapp was not in favor of rezoning north of 131S Street. Subsequently, in 2000, the B-3/Business District was rezoned to Mixed Use. At that time, Mr. Knapp said his right to develop and grow his property was taken away based on the present land use and a use since 1949. Now, another request is being considered to Mixed Use/Medical. Mr. Knapp said this only squeezes him harder and ties his hands more. Kelli Lawrence reported for the Department. The recommendation at this time is for the Committee to return this item to the full Commission with a favorable recommendation. The changes suggested by Mr. Hicks are consistent with the Department's recommendations and discussions thus far. Kelli Lawrence added that by deciding to rezone to Mixed Medical, it seemed to the Department that more of the elements and character of the Old Meridian plan could be retained by creating a new zone. S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may The zone would have consistent development standards over the entire property rather than becoming a process of Variances and losing a lot of characteristics within the Old Meridian Plan. Wayne Wilson commented that St. Vincent is a non -profit entity and does not pay taxes. That is a situation that decreases the tax base for the City. Sundown Gardens and Mr. Knapp certainly pay taxes. Wayne would like to see a financial impact statement on the community regarding tax revenue. Instituting this zoning creates a possibility that St. Vincent could control this area and this could cost the City considerable revenue. Leo Dierckman responded that from the Plan Commission's standpoint, they do not deal with the tax revenue side of things. This is more an economic decision that the City Council would have to deal with, depending on what we send them. The decision should be based on the best land planning aspects. Dave Coots commented that the hospital can do with is property what it sees fit but the hospital doing to the Knapp property what it sees fit is where the "rub" is. If and when the hospital buys the property, fine. If not, leave us (the Knapp property) as we are and we remain Old Meridian, Mixed Use, including Village Use, and nothing changes. Bob Hicks said we, the petitioner, do not have a problem with allowing the Village Zone uses to be included in the Mixed Medical Zone from the Knapp property. Kelli Lawrence was in agreement, saying the City could expand the permitted uses to be consistent with what was in the Mixed Use Zone. It sounds like the real issue is limiting the uses and if some of those uses could be expanded, it could be a solution. Nick Kestner said that most medical campuses are usually pretty ugly. They are added onto, expanded, and every time a new architect is used there is no continuity of design and architecture —they are not attractive. There are some things in the Old Meridian District that need to be definitely incorporated into the Mixed Medical. Kelli Lawrence responded that much of the architectural design standards that were in the Old Meridian District have been incorporated into the Mixed Medical. What really changed is some of the masking and siding. Pat Rice and Dianna Knoll agreed that there should be a coordinated sign package in this District. Leo Dierckman suggested the Department, Dave Coots, and Bob Hicks get together for a meeting regarding their concerns and come to some resolution. Leo also suggested to Wayne Wilson that at the Council level, relative to the tax issues, the Council could ask for a lump payment in lieu of property taxes. The petitioner will return to the June Committee meeting. 7. Docket No. 56 -02 ADLS Amend; Mohawk Landing Center Identification Sign S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 7 The applicant seeks ADLS Amendment approval for a center identification sign. The site is located at the southeast corner of East 126th Street and South Range Line Road. The site is zoned B -7 /Business. Filed by Paul G. Reis of the Reis Law Firm, LLC for 5254 Tivoli Partnership and Kosene Mohawk, LLC. Paul Reis, attorney, appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. Beth Smith of Kosene Kosene was also present. Originally, this center had a monument sign. Due to the significant grade change, the monument sign was removed as a part of the improvements to Rangeline Road and 126 Street; a railing was also installed. The tenants to be shown on the identification sign will be above the railing, above ground level. There is a portion of the tenant space located to the rear where facade signage would not be feasible. The identification sign will have signage on the facade facing Rangeline Road and the facade facing 126 Street. Paul Spranger was complimentary of the color of the sign and asked if there were any kind of brick base or detail. Beth Smith responded in the negative. Laurence Lillig reported for the Department. Laurence asked for a drawing showing the height of the sign to the peak. The overall height of the sign from the top of the rectangular to the top of the fence, is 5 feet 4 inches, by 4 feet wide. Initially, the Department discussed making a recommendation that the height of the sign be limited to six feet from sidewalk grade, consistent with what other centers would be permitted. Upon closer review, the height as proposed makes some sense. The fence at this corner is very often obscured by banners for public events, and that puts this center at a disadvantage. With the condition that the tenant signage would be limited to those tenants that are unable to utilize facade signage, the Department can support this proposal. Jerry Chomanczuk moved for approval of Docket No. 56 -02 ADLS Amend, Mohawk Landing Center Identification Sign, conditioned upon the following: height of peak and height from overall sign face being 5.4 inches from top of rectangle to top of fence; height of sign lifted to 6 feet from sidewalk grade, (as proposed is acceptable) tenant signage limited to those tenants unable to utilize fagade signage. The motion was seconded by Nick Kestner and APPROVED 7 -0. 8. Docket No. 59 -02 ADLS Amend Forum Credit Union ATM Drive -Thru Petitioner seeks an amendment of the Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage approval granted under Docket No. 163 -01 ADLS. The site is located at 2359 East 116 Street. The site is zoned B -8 /Business. Filed by James Shinaver of Nelson Frankenberger for Forum Credit Union Jim Shinaver, attorney with Nelson Frankenberger appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. Also in attendance: Bryan Crum of Forum Credit Union, Tom Martin, Martin Construction; Blake Combs, Browning Day Architects; and Larry Kemper of Nelson Frankenberger's office. S:\PlanCommission\Minutes\SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes\2002may ADLS approval was previously granted and the Forum Credit Union Building will occupy lot one of Merchants' Pointe. At this time, the petitioner is requesting final design approval of the ATM Machine that will be located on the outside drive through lane and will be highly visible from 116 Street. The ATM machine is designed in such a manner that an employee of the Credit Union can access the machine from the back with a door and then close the door to service, change money, etc. The machine has its own heating/cooling element so that it can operate appropriately. This ATM machine is a very expensive, $21,000 piece of equipment. The outward appearance of the ATM machine will now be a textured paint designed to simulate the color of the brick of the building. Mr. Shinaver circulated a sample of the textured paint. The ATM machine will be facing Pointe Parkway, the internal roadway, and will be approximately 20 feet from the curb line. There will also be vegetation along the perimeter of the Credit Union site as well as a tree placed within the median of Pointe Parkway. This provides screening from the internal roadway of Pointe Parkway. The signage will only appear on the south elevation only. Laurence Lillig asked if the Department was correct in its understanding that the material shown is to be wrapped on all four sides; Jim Shinaver responded in the affirmative. The Department is recommending favorable consideration at this time. Wayne Wilson asked about the previous proposal that was brick on all sides. Jim Shinaver responded that two proposals had been discussed--one was brick, the other proposal was textured paint. One of the problems is that if you enclose this in full brick, it creates difficulty to service the machine because of the door. The other problem is with the mechanical system within the appliance that would allow the heating cooling system to work appropriately. Also, if it were fully enclosed in brick, there may not be enough room with the drive- through lanes to make it work without causing an obstruction. The other consideration is that in the future, if the ATM were to be changed, it may not be the exact same size as the brick enclosure and it would have to be torn down and rebuilt. Pat Rice moved for approval of Docket No. 59 -02 ALDS Amend, Forum Credit Union ATM Drive- through as presented. The motion was seconded by Paul Spranger and APPROVED 6 in favor, one opposed (Wayne Wilson.) 9. Docket No. 61 -02 ADLS Amend- Old National Bank Carmel Banking Center Petitioner seeks an amendment of the Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage to Remodel and expand the existing building (Walden Bookstore) into a financial institution. The site is located at 1430 South Rangeline Road. The site is zoned B- 3 /Business. Filed by J. William White of A.J. Armstrong, Inc. Jim Shinaver, attorney with Nelson Frankenberger appeared before the Committee representing the applicant. Also in attendance: Alan Armstrong and Bill Wright of A. J. Armstrong, Inc.; and Jeff Ferris, Architect. S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 9 The petitioner is seeking approval to convert the existing Walden Bookstore at the northwest corner of 116 and Rangeline Road to the Old National Bank financial institution. The petitioner will also be appearing before the full Commission for Development Plan approval and the Carmel Board of Zoning Appeals regarding variance requests. At this time, the petitioner is specifically seeking ADLS approval. Jim Shinaver circulated photographs of the present Walden Book Store, the background of the center and how it appears to date. The site plan and landscaping plan were also displayed and explained. The landscape plan will be a tremendous improvement and is the result of a meeting between Bill Wright and Jeff Ferris with Scott Brewer. There is landscaping shown around the perimeter of the building itself, the perimeter of the site, and especially around Rangeline Road and 1 16 Street. The site plan also depicts the drive through canopy that will face a westerly direction. Motorists will exit toward 116 Street, and the petitioner will be utilizing existing entrances off Rangeline Road and 116 Street into the site. The front entrance to the building will face Rangeline Road. Regarding the lighting, the understanding is that Kosene Kosene will be submitting an entire lighting package for the strip center as a whole. Old National will be consistent with whatever is approved for the Center as submitted by Kosene Kosene. Jim Shinaver displayed a rendering of the elevation from the intersection of 116 and Rangeline Road. There is limestone at the base of the building, brick begins to wrap around the building with the columns, and cornice treatment at the top. The rendering also shows the location for the wall sign for this building that will consist of the Old National logo and the Old National Financial Center, positioned on a curved parapet at the front of the building. Renderings of the north, south, and east elevations were shown. The signage treatment for the site will consist of three directional identification signs on the northern portion of the site, near Rangeline Road. There will also be an identification sign near the 1 16 Street point of access for the site. The monument ground sign will be positioned near the intersection of 116 Street and Rangeline Road. The wall sign will be positioned on the curved parapet. There are four wall treatments, very small in nature, about 3 square feet in size, on the west elevation, the southern elevation, the eastern elevation, and on the northern elevation. The wall sign will be illuminated, non translucent letters with neon back lighting. The ground sign will also be illuminated in the same fashion. The wall treatments will not be illuminated in any way. There will not be a stand alone, drive through ATM machine. Laurence Lillig reported for the Department. It is the Department's understanding that the petitioner will return with lighting plans--definitely those fixtures shown in the informational packet will NOT be installed. Regarding the landscaping, additional landscaping is requested in the island on the north side of the site to the east of the dumpster enclosure. Also, some trees need to be added along the Rangeline Road and 116 Street Scapes. Confirmation: the logo will NOT be lit. Regarding the ground sign, the Department would like to see a cornice added similar to what is displayed on the building, and the petitioner agreed to do that. S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 10 Paul Spranger asked for further clarification on the sign. "Old National Financial Center" individual letters will be back illuminated, nothing internally illuminated; reverse channel cut. The letters are brushed aluminum. Jim Shinaver asked about the number of trees required in the landscaping plan and would like some determination this evening. Laurence Lillig recommended the petitioner get in touch with the Department and Scott Brewer, Urban Forester, to schedule a meeting. Jerry Chomanczuk commented the number of signs looks like "signage overkill" and thought the number could be scaled down. Alan Armstrong responded that in reality, there are only two signs, one on the front of the building, and the ground sign in front. The other signs are directional, entry /exit type signs, and not intended as identification. The signage will be silver and gray in color. The cornice on the ground sign is similar to the Merchants Pointe sign. The trash dumpster will be enclosed on three sides with brick, plus the door on the fourth side. Laurence Lillig said the directional signs can be no higher than 36 inches. Pat Rice had negative comments regarding the aluminum around the windows. The petitioner agreed to eliminate the aluminum and concentrate on brick and dryvit. The height of the tower was considered too tall (7 feet) and the petitioner will reconsider the height. The petitioner agreed to add the street address to the ground sign. In view of the number of items to be reconsidered, the petitioner will return to the Committee meeting in June. 10. Docket No. 60 -02 ADLS Amend; Penske Chevrolet Petitioner seeks Amendment to the Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage approval granted under 162 -01 ADLS for an auto dealership. The site is located northeast of East 96 Street and Keystone Avenue. The site is zoned B-3/Business and is located partially within the SR 43I/Keystone Overlay Zone. Filed by Charles Frankenberger of Nelson Frankenberger for D.Young Chevrolet, LLC. Jim Shinaver, attorney with Nelson Frankenberger appeared before the Committee on behalf of applicant. Chuck Kotterman, architect, and Lenny George, General Sales Manager for Penske Chevrolet were also in attendance. The applicant is seeking permission to slightly alter the southwest elevation of the building. The exhibits contained in the informational packets are before /after renderings. The west elevation of the building as it faces Keystone and what was approved was shown with the raised portico and the Penske name and Chevrolet emblem on the southern edge of the building. Modifications would retain the element of the previously approved portico. The Penske name and the Chevrolet logo would be re- located to the raised portico on the western elevation facing Keystone. S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 11 Paul Spranger moved for approval of Docket No. 60 -02 ADLS Amend, Penske Chevrolet, as proposed. The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and APPROVED 7 -0. Adjourned at 9:30 PM S:\P1anCommission\ Minutes\ SpecialStudyCommitteeMinutes \2002may 12