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CARMEL /CLAY PLAN COMMISSION
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
SEPTEMBER 3, 2002
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Special Study Committee met on September 3, 2002 at
7:00 PM in the Caucus Rooms of City Hall, Carmel, Indiana.
Members present were: Leo Dierckman, Chairperson; Jerry Chomanczuk; Nick Kestner; Pat Rice;
and Paul Spranger.
Laurence Lillig was in attendance representing the Department of Community Services. Code
Enforcement Officer Adrienne Keeling was also present.
1. Docket No. 100 -02 ADLS Amend- Carmel Walk Shopping Center
Petitioner seeks an amendment of the Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping
Signage approval granted for a retail shopping center. The site is located at 1305 South
Range Line Road. The site is zoned B -8 /Business.
Filed by James Burris of Lamson and Condon for Fineberg Associates.
WITHDRAWN
2. Docket No. 102 -02 ADLS Amend Allstate
Petitioner seeks an amendment of the Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping
Signage approval for a ground sign. The site is located at 531 North Range Line Road.
The site is zoned B -5 /Business within the Old Town Overlay Zone.
Filed by Kyle Altom.
Teresa Bartlett of Express Graphics was present representing the applicant. Revised drawings of
the signage were distributed. The proposal is no longer for a multi- tenant building; the premises
will be occupied solely by Allstate Insurance.
Allstate insists the sign carry their corporate colors on the face of the sign blue and white. The
proposed sign is less than allowed by the Sign Ordinance.
Department Report, Laurence Lillig. Given the design presented this evening and as long as the
Committee's issues are addressed, the Department is recommending favorable consideration of
the design.
Paul Spranger was complimentary of the sign and the redwood. The proposal is an improvement
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over the previous signage.
Jerry Chomanczuk asked the distance from the sidewalk to the sign petitioner responded 15 feet
from the sidewalk.
Paul Spranger moved for the approval of Docket No. 102 -02 ADLS Amend, Allstate, as shown
in the revised drawing dated September 2, 2002 and submitted this evening to the Committee.
The motion was seconded by Jerry Chomanczuk and APPROVED 5 -0.
3. Docket No. 101 -02 ADLS Amend- Tharp Convenience Center
Petitioner seeks an amendment of the Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping
Signage approval to modify the signage for a retail shopping center. The site is located at
808 West Main Street. The site is zoned OM -SF Old Meridian Single Family.
Filed by Mark Keen of Sign Fab for Don Tharp.
Mike Worrell of Worrell Petroleum, Anderson, Indiana appeared before the Committee along
with Bill Simmons owner of the Marathon store. Worrell Petroleum operates the Marathon
station at the corner of the Silver Convenience Center located at 808 West Main Street.
Bill Simmons, owner of the Marathon Station, (leases the gas station from Don Tharp) said the
face of the sign was changed there is no sign on the store structure, just the ground sign. Mike
Worrell distributed drawings of the sign, both existing and with the changes. The owner has
applied for graphics as well as the sign change.
Note: For ease and simplicity, the Marathon Station will be referred to as 101 -02a ADLS
Amend —the strip center will be referred to as 101 -02b ADLS Amend.
Department Report, Laurence Lillig: The Marathon Station is allowed a total of two signs the
ground sign and one on the canopy OR two ground signs OR two wall signs, any combination.
However, the canopy itself would only be allowed ONE sign. The sign background is aluminum
fascia, covered with vinyl, and "Marathon" still exists under the vinyl. The Department would
like to see "Marathon" painted over rather than covered with vinyl. It is also preferable to have
the blue band continued where the "Marathon" text would have been so that "Marathon" is only
on one side of the canopy and the blue band continuous on the other three sides. The ground sign
is essentially a box sign supported on two metal bases. The base should be a solid brick rather
than exposed columns at the base. Also, pennants and banners are prohibited under the Sign
Ordinance.
Paul Spranger noted the illumination has increased. The lighting is in excess during the hours of
operation. Mr. Worrell said new bulbs were installed —they are 400 Watts. Paul Spranger
suggested the petitioner convert to 300 Watts rather than 400 Watts; it would be more in keeping
with the area. Also, there was discussion regarding the installation of reflectors in order to reduce
the level of illumination. Mike Worrell agreed to install directional reflectors within the next 30
days.
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Paul Spranger moved for approval of 101 -02a ADLS Amend (Marathon Station) with the
following conditions: 1) The canopy will be amended as committed by the applicant to extend
the blue band in the same materials as existing. 2) Reflectors will be installed for all under canopy
lighting, 300 Watts. 3) The existing ground sign will have an appropriate brick base and will be
subject to the approval of the Department. The motion was seconded by Jerry Chomanczuk and
APPROVED 5 -0.
Note: The petitioner will need to apply for sign permits.
Docket No. 101 -02b ADLS Amend, Tharp Convenience Center
Mark Keen of Sign Fab, 6468 Rucker Road, Indianapolis appeared before the Committee
representing Don Tharp for the Tharp Convenience Center at 808 West Main Street. The sign
panels are baked -on acrylic white. The petitioner is requesting signage of individual letters on a
"raceway." Currently, there is red copy on all of the signs (red neon) and these can be changed.
Mr. Keen distributed pictures of the prior signage— before and after. Permits were applied for
but never approved for the signs.
Regarding the lighting, Mr. Keen said he had spoken with Don Tharp and he is willing to do
whatever the Commission requires.
Department Report, Laurence Lillig. As long as the Committee's comments and concerns are
addressed, the Department recommends favorable consideration.
Leo Dierckman commented the canopy looks good, the white is good —the letters are the issue.
Paul Spranger said the signage needs to be consistent. Also, the drop -down lights need to be
recessed. The actual signage now has a 3- dimensional effect and the level of internal illumination
is excessive.
Mr. Keen reported all of the signs have the same letter height; the signs are 9 feet long.
Currently, there are two signs existing and they are red, the only other color is a green band below
McBeth's. The level of illumination on the signs is not excessively bright. There is a maximum of
four tenants in the Center. Kinder Care has the largest space; all signs will be the same letter
height.
Laurence Lillig stated that in the petitioner's application for signage, the dimensions of each sign
are stated as being 18 inches by 9 feet or 13.5 square feet. In the same application, the square
footage of each sign is noted as approximately 22 square feet a large discrepancy. The total
height of each sign is listed at 22 inches.
Mr. Keen said the white band is 22 inches clearance from top to bottom. The signs should be 16
inches tall by a maximum of 9 feet wide, even for Kinder Care. (12 square feet per sign) As
tenants change, the signs will be replaced with black, reverse channel letters. Mr. Keen will
remove the green band on the McBeth's sign and replace with black, white copy no red.
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Nick Kestner requested the petitioner either use the same type face or the same color, otherwise it
becomes a hodge podge.
Pat Rice moved for approval of 101 -02b ADLS Amend, Tharp Convenience Center, with the
following conditions: 1) Signs will be black, reverse channel letters, 2) 16 -inch sign height, 3) 9-
foot sign width, 4) logos may be internally illuminated. 5) The two existing red signs will be
allowed to remain but will be flush mounted. 6) The green band will be eliminated from the
McBeth's sign and 7) the lighting will be recessed. As tenants change, tenant signage will be
black, reverse channel letters. The motion was seconded by Jerry Chomanczuk and APPROVED
5 -0.
4. Docket No. 110 -02 ADLS Amend Nations Rent
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to install a new fence and landscaping materials. The site is located at 10222
North Michigan Road. The site is zoned I -1 /Industrial and is within the US 421/Michigan
Road Overlay.
Filed by Arvin Carpenter of Miller Surveying, Inc., for Ed Coverdale.
Arvin Carpenter of Miller Surveying, Noblesville, appeared before the Committee along with Ed
Coverdale, owner of the property.
The State of Indiana is taking additional right -of -way in front of Nations Rent at 10222 North
Michigan Road. The location of the existing entrance will be changed from the south side of the
property to the north side. The existing fence and drive will have to be replaced. The new fence
will be a six -foot, chain link security fence. The landscaping will be set back 36 feet from the new
right -of -way and the landscaping will be in front of the chain link fence. A new driveway will be
installed together with new gates.
Laurence Lillig for the Department: This application is brought forward due to the right -of -way
improvements the State of Indiana is making along Michigan Road. Two aspects of the plan are
to be reviewed by the Committee, the landscaping and the re- location of the fence along Michigan
Road. The Department is recommending favorable consideration of those aspects of the plan.
However, there is a question regarding signage on this site. Nations Rent has been located on this
site for over two years and permanent signage is yet to be established. From time to time, banners
have been posted on the fence or the front facade of the building. The Department would like to
know when permanent signage will be established so that the constant stream of banners can be
eliminated.
Ed Coverdale, Noblesville, Indiana addressed the Committee as property owner of Nations Rent.
Mr. Coverdale reported that signage is the tenant's responsibility and Nations Rent should be
applying for sign permits.
Sherry Marchbanks, A Sign by Design, said they have been working with Nations Rent on signage
and they were hopeful of making formal application for signage as soon as the Michigan Road
improvements are completed in this area.
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Laurence Lillig stated the Landscape Plan has been reviewed and apparently is acceptable.
Jerry Chomanczuk moved for approval of Docket No. 110 -02 ADLS Amend, Nations Rent.
The motion was seconded by Pat Rice and APPROVED 5 -0.
5. Docket No. 117 -02 ADLS Amend Fidelity Plaza Midwest Sleep Institute
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to install a new sign. The site is located at 11590 North Meridian Street. The
site is zoned B -6 Business and is within the US 31/Meridian Street Overlay.
Filed by Sherry Marchbanks of A Sign By Design.
Sherry Marchbanks of A Sign by Design, 5008 West 96 Street, Indianapolis, appeared before the
Committee on behalf of Midwest Sleep Institute. Midwest Sleep Institute is re- locating to the
former Morgan Guaranty location.
The sign will be reverse channel illumination; it is over 75 feet in the air and set back more than
300 feet. The sign will be made of titanium with brushed brass, satin finish so that it will look and
stay bright during the day. The sign will not tarnish and is very low maintenance. The sign will
be 100 square feet on one end of the building —the only sign on the building, and will face U.S. 31
(east). There will be NO logo on the sign.
Laurence Lillig reported for the Department. A favorable consideration is being recommended
once the Committee's concerns and comments have been addressed.
Nick Kestner moved for approval of Docket No. 117 -02 ADLS Amend, Fidelity Plaza
Midwest Sleep Institute. The motion was seconded by Paul Spranger and APPROVED 5 -0.
6. Docket No. 118 -02 ADLS Amend Carmel Science Technology Park, Block 7, Lot
1 MISO Corporate Headquarters
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to install an AC unit enclosure. The site is located at 701 City Center Drive.
The site is zoned M- 3/Manufacturing.
Filed by Bob Olson of CSO Engineers.
Bob Olson and Ross Lally, CSO Engineers, 280 East 96 Street, Indianapolis appeared before the
Committee representing Midwest ISO Corporation, located at 701 City Center Drive. The
current proposal is to install an enclosure for two transformers. The structure will be 50 feet
long, 25 feet wide and approximately 12 feet high.
The architectural detail of the enclosure matches the existing building. Access to the new
enclosure will be on the east -side of the building, and once the new street is installed, the access
will not be visible. The new structure will be located directly south of the existing.
Laurence Lillig reported for the Department. The ground sign on Guilford has no sign permit.
Once the Committee's comments and concerns have been addressed, the Department
recommends favorable consideration.
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In response to questions from Jerry Chomanczuk, Ross Lally said there is no noise abatement
issue —the units are actually small condensers with small fans—no compressors or loud noise
making equipment. The units would only function on standby and in the case of a power outage.
Paul Spranger moved for approval of Docket No. 118 -02 ADLS Amend, Carmel Science
Technology park, Block 7, Lot 1 MISO Corporate Headquarters, as presented and amended
by petitioner. The motion was seconded by Jerry Chomanczuk and APPROVED 5 -0.
There being no further business to come before the Committee, the meeting was adjourned at
8:05 PM.
Leo Dierckman, Chairperson
Ramona Hancock, Secretary
Adjourned 8:05
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