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CARMEL /CLAY PLAN COMMISSION
SPECIAL STUDIES COMMITTEE
NOVEMBER 12, 2002
The regularly scheduled meeting of the Special Study Committee met at 7:00 PM in the Caucus
Rooms of City Hall, Carmel, Indiana.
Members present: Jerry Chomanczuk; Leo Dierckman; Nick Kestner; Dianna Knoll; Pat Rice; Paul
Spranger; and Wayne Wilson. Marilyn Anderson was also in attendance.
Members of the Department of Community Services present: Jon Dobosiewicz, Director Mike
Hollibaugh; Adrienne Keeling, Code Enforcement Officer.
1. Docket No. 128 -02 ADLS Amend; King of Glory Lutheran Church Ground Sign
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to install a new ground sign. The site is located at 2201 East 106th Street. The
site is zoned S -2 Residential.
Filed by William Erickson for King of Glory Lutheran Church.
TABLED BY PETITIONER
2. Docket No. 101 -02 ADLS Amend- Tharp Convenience Center
Petitioner seeks an amendment of the Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping
Signage approval to modify the signage for a retail shopping center. The site is located at
808 West Main. The site is zoned OM -SF Old Meridian Single Family.
Filed by Mark Keen of Sign Fab for Don Tharp.
Mark Keen, 6468 Ruckle Road, Indianapolis of Sign Fab appeared before the Committee on
behalf of Don Tharp, Tharp Investments, Tharp Convenience Center at 808 West Main Street,
Carmel, Indiana. Mr. Keen referred to his last appearance before the Committee and confirmed
the black, reverse channel letters on the signs, elimination of the raceways, and a change in the
lighting.
Mr. Keen was appearing at Committee for clarification of the Signage. Previously, the letter
height was approved at 16 inches, the maximum length was 9 feet. There are two existing signs
that are longer than 9 feet.
Paul Spranger's understanding from the previous Committee meeting is that the two existing signs
would be "grandfathered" until there was a tenant change, in which case, the signs would
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conform. The new signs for prospective tenants must conform. Also, the canopy was to be
underlit completely —not two or three lights. The petitioner will comply with the lighting
requirement under canopy and also the protruding lights along the sidewalk that are to be
recessed.
Paul Spranger moved to approve 101 -02 ADLS amendment to permit the two existing wall signs
until such time as there is a change in tenant or the current tenant requests a change in signage.
Further, the petitioner will follow through on all other commitments made. The motion was
seconded by Pat Rice and approved 7 -0.
Paul Spranger moved for approval of requested new signage, 16 inches high, not to exceed 80%
of the width of the unit, or 13 feet in width, whichever is less. This motion was seconded by
Dianna Knoll and approved 7 -0.
3. Docket No. 113 -02 ADLS; and
Docket No. 132 -02 ZW, 133 -02 ZW;
Carmel Ambulatory Surgery Endoscopy Center
The applicant seeks approval to construct a medical office building at 13421 Old Meridian
Street. The applicant seeks the following Zoning Waivers:
132 -02 ZW SCO 23G5. 8.B. L b Minimum wall height of 24'
133 -02 ZW SCO 23G5.8.B. L b Minimum of two (2) occupiable floors
Filed by Robert A. Hicks, Esq. for Carmel Physicians Surgery and Endoscopy Center.
NOTE: Leo Dierckman recused himself from all discussion and vote on this item, and was not
present during Committee review. Paul Spranger chaired the meeting for this item.
Robert Hicks, attorney, 12111 Castle Overlook, Carmel, appeared before the Committee
representing the applicant. Also in attendance: Bob Whitacre, developer; Rob Scheck and Becky
Feigh of BSA Design; and Charles Jeffras representing the landowner, St. Vincent's.
Currently, there is an issue with an additional curb cut on Guilford Avenue. In this regard, there
were a number of residents of the Guilford Avenue /Wildwood Drive area in attendance. The
residents were invited to address the Committee with their concerns.
Paul Spranger noted a letter had been received from the area residents, signed by a number of
persons, in opposition to an additional curb cut on Guilford Avenue.
Remonstrance:
Tom Laskey, 11 Wildwood Drive, gave a brief history of the curb cut issue and an overview of a
letter signed by several residents of Guilford Avenue/Wildwood Drive area.
Bob Hicks confirmed Tom Laskey's characterization of the curb cut issue. The Petitioner would
like NOT to install and pay for the curb cut.
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Jon Dobosiewicz reported for the Department saying, "There is never a wrong time to make the
right choice." The Carmel Fire Dept. expressed the need for a curb cut off Guilford at the
Technical Advisory Committee meeting. If the curb cut does not eventuate, the Department
would recommend grass pavers for emergency vehicle access.
Bob Hicks commented that they feel as if they have met the requirements of ADLS review
specified in the Ordinance with the help of BSA Design.
There were two other issues: The Zoning Waivers and the sidewalks. The petitioner has
committed to construct sidewalks along Old Meridian Street and in fact, a commitment was made
in 1990 by the landowner to install sidewalks, and that commitment is still firm and binding. The
only question is "When does the City require it
Bob Hicks said there is a portion of the building facing Old Meridian is one story —the wall height
is 15 feet 8 inches and requires a waiver. This is a benefit to the ease and comfort of the patients.
Pat Rice moved to forward the two variances to the full Commission with a recommendation for
approval and requesting the ADLS portion be returned to the Special Study Committee with full
authority for final approval; the motion was seconded by Wayne Wilson, and APPROVED 6 in
favor, none opposed, Leo Dierckman recused.
Following a short recess, the Committee continued with the business at hand.
4. Docket No. 141 -02 ADLS Amend; Fountains Plaza 500 East Carmel Drive
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to install a new ground sign, landscaping islands and lighting standards. The site
is located at 500 East Carmel Drive. The site is zoned B -8 Business.
Filed by Brad Barnes of Barnes Investment Company.
Brad Barnes, 11308 Lakeshore Drive East, Carmel, appeared before the Committee representing
the applicant. The petitioner is up- dating the old Marsh Center on Carmel Drive. The
landscaping is affected by the dedication of right -of -way; two existing pole fixtures are rusted and
will be replaced. Also, the pole sign located in the middle of the plaza will be converted to a
ground sign.
Jon Dobosiewicz reported for the Department. Currently there are no sign permits on file for
Time Warner roadrunner logo, Glamour Nails, and Whitehouse Donut Shop. The signs in
existence are not characteristic of signage approved for the center.
The petitioner agreed to work with the Department on size and type of signage; the light fixtures;
planting islands; and a ground sign.
Docket No. 141 -02 ADLS Amend, Fountains Plaza 500 East Carmel Drive was Continued to
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the December Committee meeting. The petitioner will return with renderings, dimensions, etc. for
committee review.
5. Docket No. 142 -02 ADLS Amend; 501 Congressional Boulevard Sign Program
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval of a sign program. The site is located at 501 Congressional Blvd. The site is
zoned B -6 Business.
Filed by Steven Granner of Bose McKinney Evans for Duke Realty Limited Partnership.
Blair Carmosino, Duke Realty, and Steve Granner, Bose McKinney Evans appeared before the
Committee representing the applicant.
Department Comments, Jon Dobosiewicz: Based on illustrations presented, the only concern is
variation or flexibility not typically granted by Committee to allow for red, green, or black copy.
Paul Spranger, requests "red" be stricken, and limit to two colors can be illuminated, but
backlit. Would prefer to see no red -blue is questionable, maybe green allow splash of color in
logo, and will allow black and white.
Paul Spranger moved for approval of new signage being limited to black and white, and
grandfathering existing Signage. This motion was seconded by Dianna Knoll and approved 7 -0.
6. Docket No. 125 -02 ADLS; Natureworks— 421 South Range Line Road
The applicant seeks Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage approval for
an office building. The site is located at 421 South Range Line Road. The site is zoned
B -1 Business.
Filed by Randy Sorrell.
Randy Sorrell of Natureworks, 421 South Range Line Road appeared before the Committee
representing the applicant. Approval is requested to convert the residence at 421 South Range
Line Road to an office building. The proposal is for significant site improvements to both the
building and grounds.
Variance approvals are also required for the location of the existing structures, parking setbacks
and curbing of the parking area.
Department Report, Jon Dobosiewicz: The Department is recommending approval, conditioned
upon dedication of full width 40 -foot one -half right -of -way by the petitioner. The Department
also recommends a commitment from the petitioner that no heavy equipment will be stored on
site.
Petitioner commits to no heavy equipment stored on site.
Pat Rice moved for approval of Docket No. 125 -02 ADLS, Natureworks, conditioned upon no
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heavy equipment stored on site, resolution of drainage issues, and dedication of right -of -way.
The motion was seconded by Wayne Wilson and approved 7 -0.
7. Docket No. 154 -02 ADLS Amend- Saddle Creek Subdivision Sign
(141st Street and Beaumont Blvd.)
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to install a new subdivision sign. The site is located at the intersection of 141st
Street and Beaumont Blvd. The site is zoned S -1 Residential (Very Low Intensity).
Filed by Doug Elmore for Ditch Road Properties.
Mr. Simons appeared before the Commttee in lieu of Doug Elmore for Ditch Road Properties.
Photos were distributed of the existing subdivision sign located at 141S and Beaumont Blvd. The
materials utilized include Bedford Stone veneer, masonry, routed copy with goldleaf.
Department Report, Jon Dobosiewicz: No sign was ever approved or reviewed for this location.
The Department is recommending approval as shown. There are four other signs in this
Subdivision and a potential future sign at Towne Road. If the future sign at Towne Road will be
of the same materials, copy, and construction, the Department would also recommend approval of
the future sign.
Pat Rice moved for approval of Docket No. 154 -02 ADLS Amend, Saddle Creek Subdivision
Sign as presented, including the future sign at Towne Road if identical to the one presented this
evening. This motion was seconded by Dianna Knoll and approved 7 -0.
8. Docket No. 155 -02 ADLS Amend- Butler Toyota Body Shop Building Addition
Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to construct a building addition. The site is located at 931 North Range Line
Road.. The site is zoned B -3 Business.
Filed by Robert Coghill of C -A Consultants for Robert G. Butler.
Boyd Sherrill, C -A Consultants appeared before the Committee for Robert G. Butler. The
petitioner is requeting approval to construct a small building addition behind the existing Butler
Toyota Body Shop on Range Line Road. The material proposed is metal, and a two story, 1200
square -foot building, consistent with existing facade. The second floor is storage only and
windows would serve no purpose.
Department Report, Jon Dobosiewicz: The Department is recommending approval at this time
the project does not warrant more detail.
Pat Rice moved to approve Docket No. 155 -02 ADLS Amend, Butler Toyota Body Shop,
seconded by Wayne Wilson and Approved 7 -0.
9. Docket No. 156 -02 ADLS Amend- Marsh Village Pantry 4496
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Petitioner seeks amended Architectural Design, Lighting, Landscaping Signage
approval to modify building and canopy exteriors. The site is located at 9601 North
College Avenue. The site is zoned B -3 Business.
Filed by David Olson of Village Pantry, LLC.
Steve Bickell, Marsh Village Pantry, 9800 Crosspointe Boulevard, Indianapolis appeared before
the Committee representing the petitioner. Approval is requested to modify the building and fuel
pump canopy located at 9601 North College Avenue. The buildings are to be changed on a
county -by- county basis. Necessary permits previously neglected project manager at 106' and
Michigan location will rectify next week.
Currently, the signs are green (teal) painted concrete block, with white and off white. Signage
added to the canopies was installed without permit and /or variance approval and will be removed
immediately.
Department Report, Jon Dobosiewicz: If the logo on Village Pantry was reviewed as part of
ADLS, it is not considered signage by identification or recognition. Both locations at College and
Michigan apparently do not have permits for canopy and original ADLS at Michigan Road. The
petitioner will appear before full Commission. Department requests existing brick facade be
incorporated into the design rather than painting.
The petitioner states he will comply with the Ordinance and not exceed 30% window signage.
The droplights will be changed to flush mounted. The canopy will be solid, no stripe, no lettering.
Paul Spranger suggests a cornice at the top along with the awning, and adding a subtle color
change.
Jon Dobosiewicz requested a time requirement for design and possible new building construction;
the petitioner is in agreement and also agreed not to paint the brick. The awnings will be fabric;
cornice on the building; flush lighting.
Docket No. 156 -02 ADLS Amend, Marsh Village Pantry 9496 was TABLED to the Decmeber
Committee meeting.
Note: Pat Rice exited the meeting at this point and did not return.
10. Docket No. 114 -02 Z; Crooked Stick Golf Course
Petitioner seeks a favorable recommendation of a rezone from S -1 /Residential to P-
1 /Parks and Recreation on 189.34 acres. The site is located west of Ditch Road between
106 Street and 116 Street. The site is zoned S -1 /Residential.
Filed by the Department of Community Services.
Jon Dobosiewicz appeared before the Committee representing the petitioner. Also present: Joe
Scimia, attorney representing Crooked Stick Golf Course.
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The Department seeks to rezone the Crooked Stick Golf Course to P -1 /Parks and Recreation
from S -1 /Residential. Joe Scimia has provided a more accurate legal description for the proposed
rezone; the Department is requesting digital submission as well.
Jon Dobosiewicz noted that the Department concurs with Joe Scimia's comments regarding the
legal description and recommends the Committee forward this item to full Commission with full
legal description and favorable recommendation, eventually forwarding to City Council, again
with favorable recommendation and full legal description provided.
Nick Kestner moved to forward Docket No. 114 -02 Z, Crooked Stick Golf Course to full Plan
Commission with a positive recommendation and then on to City Council with a positive
recommendation, including full legal description. This motion was seconded by Wayne Wilson
and APPROVED 6 -0.
11. Clarian North Hospital Informational Item Only
The Petitioner will be seeking DP /ADLS approval for a hospital and medical office
building. That application along with a rezone request will be on the November 19 Plan
Commission agenda under public hearings. The site is located at the southwest corner of
Pennsylvania Parkway and College Avenue.
Filed by Joseph M. Scimia of Baker and Daniels for Clarian Health Partners, Inc.
Present for Petitioner: Joe Scimia, attorney with Baker and Daniels. Information Purposes only
to provide a preliminary overview for hospital and medical office to be constructed on site
scheduled for a rezone request at the November full Commission meeting.
Add -On Item:
Docket No. 159 -02 ADLS Amend, Community Health Pavilion Trash Enclosure located
at 11911 North Meridian Street, Carmel, Indiana.
Filed by REI Investments, Inc., 11711 North Pennsylvania Street, Carmel, Indiana
Jon Dobosiewicz, Department of Community Services presented for REI Investments. The
petitioner is requesting approval to construct a trash enclosure, brick face to match the existing
building, with wooden gates, stained.
Nick Kestner moved for approval of Docket No. 159 -02 ADLS Amend, seconded by Paul
Spranger. This motion was APPROVED 5 in favor, 1 opposed (Jerry Chomanczuk.)
There was no further business to come before the Committee; the meeting adjourned at 10:15 PM.
Ramona Hancock, Secretary
Leo Dierckman, Chairperson
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